#acowar discussion

[copypastus]

Nothing gave me more whiplash IN MY LIFE than going from acowar to acofas.

Remember when Feyre closed the chapter on her relationship with Tamlin and wished him well? Coz the Inner Circle sure keeps forgetting.

[unforgivenyunjin]

“What is the difference between Feyre having Tamlin’s kids and Feyre having Rhysand’s kids”

Choice.

She chose to have Rhysand’s son while she felt pressured to have Tamlin’s. She chose to show off her pregnancy with Nyx while she felt that she had to in the Spring Court.

A major theme in Feylins relationship in Acomaf is pressure and the role Feyre feels she needs to fulfill. If you pay attention to what she actually says you would see that she doesn’t say she never wants these things with Tamlin. It’s the right now that she’s insecure about. She doesn’t want kids right now, she doesn’t want equal power as him right now. She was in a critical mental state, having panic attacks every single night, and didn’t really have a support system. But even then she was being rushed into things she was not ready for. She was both being controlled and being pressured to make decisions she was not yet ready to make.

Thats why there is a major difference is her choosing to have Rhysand’s kids when she said she didn’t want to be a breed mare for Tamlin or choosing to show off her pregnancy when she said she didn’t want to be paraded around with Tamlin. Everything Feyre has done with Rhys when it comes to the progress of their relationship has been on her own terms. She chose when to have a child, she chose when to come into her power as High Lady, and she chose when it was time to announce her child to the world. These weren’t things pushed onto her after she’d just been tortured for 3 months and going through arguably the lowest point in her life. Think of something you enjoy doing and then think about how you would feel about that thing if you were pressured to do it or pressured to be the absolute best at it. Eventually your feelings towards that thing are going to change because it’s no longer just something you enjoy, but something that is being weighed down by the expectations of other people. It’s the same thing with Feyre and having kids.

[natureboy96]

Pro Feyre, Pro Tamlin, Pro canon, Pro Tolerance of differing opinions discussion (NOT SHIPPING)

Over the past few months that I've been in this fandom, I've become more and more critical of character actions in the texts, including Feyre. I don't care much for the lack of self reflection her character does for her actions, nor how the narrative tends to wash their hands of any real repercussions for them (at least, ones that she/ the Night Court have to face). That being said, I've been thinking a lot about the end of ACOWAR, especially in terms of people who choose not to give Tamlin any grace and hate on the parts of the fandom who do. a large part of these arguments come down to personal feelings and what happens in canon.

After the war, when all is said and done, this is what Feyre thinks and says to/about Tamlin:

Feyre does not forgive Tamlin for the pain he caused, and she doesn't actively push to be in her life (though the way she says it, she does seem to imply she would've wanted to say this in person before Tamlin left. What she does say is that she doesn't hate him anymore, and that she genuinely wants him to be well and find happiness.

The abuse that Tamlin committed on Feyre is constantly used as a blanket statement to explain why he doesn't deserve to be happy, and yet Feyre, the character who was directly affected by this abuse, states clearly that she doesn't hate him, and wants him to be happy. If the argument against Tamlin being happy is because of canon, why is this part of the canon not regarded? Is what Feyre wants no longer important because she isn't angry anymore?

Is it because other characters in the text, like Rhysand and Nesta, express anger and hatred towards Tamlin, then? Rhysand being spiteful and unable to forgive doesn't change the fact that Feyre wants him to find happiness and be better. If characters in the actual text, who have actually/directly been affected by Tamlin's actions, are able to have differing opinions on if he should find happiness, why is it so controversial that the people reading the text feel the same way?

If Feyre were a real person, made an anonymous tumblr account and posted what she said at the end of the book, that she wished for Tamlin to be happy and that she was grateful for the things he did for her, would she be called an abuse apologist for it? Would she have to explain why, even though she doesn't forgive him for the pain he caused, that she still recognizes the good that he did?

If you're projecting your own abuse onto a character in a text who has never actually done anything to you irl, why is it an issue that other people don't have the same viewpoint? Why should one person's life experience be put above another's? Just because a viewpoint is shared by a majority doesn't make a minority's experience less valid. Even if there was a single person who liked a character, that wouldn't make their experience with the text less valid than everyone else's.

By choosing to be insulting to what other people feel/believe/have experienced with this text, you're not defending anyone: all you're doing is tearing down someone else's experience because you don't feel it's valid. You don't have to agree with someone else's experience, you can viscerally dislike it even. But you can also choose not to tear people down because you don't agree with them. If you are actively insulting people for having differing opinions, calling them names and judging their actual character because of their opinions on a book,

you are being abusive!

Treat people with respect, agree to disagree if their take on the text is different than yours, and if you're genuinely triggered by people liking a fictional character, then don't interact with them.

[chairofchaos]

A Brief Commentary on Fandom History, Fandom Weeks, and How to Keep Moving Forward

Before you decide to read this, please go read this thing I wrote earlier. You need the context. Done reading? No? Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars, and definitely don't engage with this post. Go read it. You're done? Excellent! Please remember that I said absolutely nothing in the aforementioned post about commenting on current events. Also, this contains some swearing, in case that bugs you. Any text written in this font I'm using below the break is liable to be sarcastic (if you want clarification about something like that let me know!). Word count is about 3.8k. Shoutout to @/olderthannetfic, who wrote back to that anon who was talking about the clergy-class of Big Name Fans and said,

"Nail your theses to the door."

I think that sentiment applies here.  Kudos to you, wise fandom elder. You rock.

About the Author

To reiterate how I began my last post (linked above and for the love of all fandom, go read it), I have been involved in fandom spaces for 12 years, almost to the day. I had wonderful mentors who knew that were I left unchecked, I would fumble my way through a lot of very bad ideas about what fandom should be like. They decided out of love that if I was going to be in fandom, they were going to make me into the best little fandom child I could be.

If you do the math, I was 11 when I started getting involved. What can I say? It was a different decade and I had unrestricted internet access. Nobody was keeping me from my Harry Potter and Percy Jackson fanfics. All of this to say: I was raised here, and I'm going to scream in the living room while this house burns down around me because I'd rather be a ghost in fandom than not be in fandom at all.

I am going to say a lot of things in this post. Am I perfect? NO! Will this post hold errors? Undoubtedly. Will this post be tarnished by the inaccuracies of the resources and the biases of events recorded in secondary sources? Who knows. I'm sure some of you lived through the events I am referencing here. Your context and commentary is more than welcome. Will this help give us, the ACOTAR fandom, some context for why we all care so much? I hope so.

No, I don't actually. I have no faith in anyone, not even myself.

Thanks for that, Editorial Chaos. You're one pessimistic bitch. Oh, you're going to keep showing up in this post to annoy me, aren't you...

Yep. Back to it, Chaos.

Alright, then. Anyways, I have opinions. You have opinions. There's a 100% chance that we disagree on something. That's cool with me. So let's get to it.

Why Are We Talking About This?

Elaingate. We are here because of Elaingate, and I will not lie to you about that. You will briefly hear my thoughts on that specific issue further down the line.

To those of you who would suggest that Elaingate is over? I must disagree. 

You see, this one instance may be over, but the underlying debate continues. What should fandom look like? Who can participate, and with what content? What is allowed, and who gets to decide?

These questions have not been addressed. I am not, by any means, going to pretend to be an authority on this. I do, however, wish to contribute my many thoughts, and present some events from the history of fandom.

My hope in sharing this brief summary of notable events which shaped broader fan culture will help people newer to fandom (of all kinds) understand why something like an event which bans certain types of content, or content involving specific characters, as something to be concerned, or even angry, about.

Please consider this, my contribution to the discussion, as a form of academic inquiry with an opinion thread throughout. This is something I am throwing to the fandom for consideration. Do I get preachy? Absolutely I do. Do I stand by my thoughts? Yes. 

If you want to respond and tell me I’m dead wrong, by all means, do so. I welcome a reblog or a post in response. Let’s go back and forth, citing our sources like two exhausted researchers from different university departments, fighting over faerie smut books. I’ll eat up every second of it.

No, you won’t. You’re exhausted.

Really? Please stop.

Noooooooooooooooooo.

Are these old issues, or is this a new problem?

Welcome to the party! It's both as old as fandom itself, and as new as yesterday. ("Chaos, those can't both be true, can they?" Yes, they can!)

You see, there have always been issues within fandoms. People have disagreed about whether character A should end up with character B or character C for longer than any of us have been alive. Seriously. The Ancient Greeks were arguing about this stuff thousands and thousands of years ago. 

Source: my Greek Tragedy professor. And if you want to argue that point, you can take it up with him. He’s an ornery old German man who looked at me and told me I needed to do better on my tests in front of the entire class. I had a 98 overall, and the only grades we got were the tests.

Moving on: Dare I say, we are not special?

The real difference now is that the previously separate communities of fandom are coming together on platforms where systems for separating those branches of fandom do not exist in automatically available formats.

We face new issues because the wonderful world-wide web continues to grow wider and wider. We have more people on the internet than ever before. You interact with more people by participating in online fandom than a person would have 5-10 years ago, let alone before the internet, and that comes with new challenges.

So what, Chaos?

I'm glad you asked! On LiveJournal, you could join Communities. You can envision them as a Discord server centered around a specific ship or character. You could be automatically entered into a group of like-minded people, and never really have to interact with people who shipped Character A with Character B, if you wanted.

Another form of fanfic from the pre-internet through the early internet years of fandom days were Zines (In depth "what's that?" from Purdue University). In fandom, zines were edited, curated fanworks. They were numerous. Some were public, some were private. Some Zine editors stood up to Lucasfilm. Regardless, there was content moderation, whether by community members or by corporations themselves. We'll come back to this.

Does that mean I would never have had to interact with those evil A/B shippers when I ship B/C?

Hahahahahhahaha.

No. It doesn't. You still encountered people who disagreed with you. 

And there were slurs and threats involved. It could get real ugly.

Yeah. Be thankful we have good community guideline things on Tumblr, and a reporting process on AO3. I don't think anyone is going to try to hack your computer to get your IP address and dox you for shipping the "wrong" characters (and good grief: if you care that much or truly think that is an appropriate action, please stay far, far away from me).

You looked for the community where you fit best, and that's where you started following, and finding, and interacting. It's not all that different to what you can do here once you curate your individual experience.

Chaos, why does any of this matter? Why aren't you talking about current events?

Well, in the grand scheme of things, does anything matter?

Yes, newly-nihilistic Editorial Chaos. It really does matter.

It matters because it's our history. It's how we got here. Be grateful. As for current events, I’m not really here to give you an in-depth analysis of those, as there are other posts which do that. 

I’m here to talk about the underlying issue. To do that, we need some background. I promise you need all of this context for my proposal at the end. Feel free to skip what you already know, but please take this opportunity to learn something new today!

Why did Archive of Our Own come into being?

For my sources on this, I direct you to the original livejournal post which started it all (thank you @/astolat! You can find her on tumblr and AO3. She’s responsible for so many great things and I thank her for all of them) and the more in-depth Fanlore page on the original proposal for AO3, where you can find links to relevant issues surrounding the proposal’s creation and the result of the proposal. See? Not a nihilist, Chaos. I'm helping. Like I'm "supposed to." Ugh.

The long and short of this is that internet fanfiction communities were facing censorship from the hosting sites. LiveJournal and Fanfiction.net were getting worried about the legality and perceived morality of different kinds of fanfiction, and a new site was being created specifically to profit off of fanfiction. 

For the sake of this discussion, we are going to use the word "curation". LJ, FF.net, and others were intentionally curating the kind of content they would allow and would allow users to see and interact with, partly out of fear of lawsuits, and partly out of a desire to police morality. The cleaning processes they used to get rid of things they did not like were referred to as "purges."

In the purges, many sexually explicit fics were lost. We aren’t talking about something the average 2020s romantasy reader (that’s you, ACOTAR fan!) would necessarily shy away from. We’re largely talking about a level of explicit nature that mirrors the general content of ACOTAR. There were of course fics that were less explicit, and fics that were considerably more explicit. By my understanding, the bulk were things we now see in published work.

Many fics with LGBT natures were lost, because the crackdown on “morality” I mentioned? Yeah. That had a lot to do with LGBT issues. Others have written a lot more extensively and a lot more eloquently than I can on this subject, so I am going to leave it at that. Just know it was a very large issue, and if you want more on this feel free to do some research of your own!

So the problems were numerous. The solution was created. Now we have Archive of Our Own (AO3). (Am I saying that AO3 is perfect? No. That, like most things, is a whole other post.)

AO3 is an archive. It is a hosting site, but it went about it differently than fanfiction.net or livejournal, or most of the niche, fandom-specific sites. Very few of those actually exist anymore, but they were cool.

As an archive, AO3's role was to be a place where the fics that could not be on the other sites because of curation would go to be. Notable fics that were posted in the early days of Archive of Our Own were fics with incest (wincest started here! And don’t tell me AO3 didn’t want it because, well, the creators were the ones writing it, and yes, I have sources for that), brutal violence, and explicit sexual content, among other, much more SFW G-rated type fics. 

They all had a home on AO3, because AO3 was designed primarily for authors (see sources linked above for more). It is notably not a social media, because it is intended to store works (regardless of their content*) and not share them. (*This is mostly true. There have been some problems because of this, often in the realm of Real Person Fics, or RPF. Again, it's a whole other post, but bears repeating.)

Chaos, what on earth does that have to do with fandom [Character/Ship] Week(s)?

I'm overjoyed that you would ask me such a question! It has everything to do with it.

Since the internet has taken over as the primary fandom connector, we have seen a democratization of fandom. We no longer have Zine editors telling us what we can and cannot write. We are protected by AO3's careful non-profit model, ensuring that no one is profiting off of characters owned by other people or franchises.

It has been said that "every rule and regulation you work to enforce has been written in the blood of others." 

That is... overly dramatic.

You do remember we’re called ‘Chaos’ here, right?

Fair. Why do you insist on being so damn cheerful when you’re talking about rules written in blood?

I’m trying to keep it light, Editorial Chaos. Please just… shut up.

Fine.

AO3 exists largely because certain types of fanfiction were being excluded from fandom. People were upset at the purges. People were upset that they weren't being allowed to write work with characters being in LGBT relationships. People were upset that an LGBT fic automatically got a more severe rating than its heterosexual counterpart, just on the basis of containing LGBT content. The little purges were numerous, and there were multiple large purges as platforms decided what they would be willing to accept and what they would leave by the wayside.

Archive of Our Own changed the model. Instead of platforms moderating what they would allow, AO3 implemented a tagging system which would allow readers looking for works in the archive to filter out content they did not want, or to filter for content they did want. Instead of the filter being run by the governing body, the archive was just there. It was up to the user to decide what they would read. The user moderated for their individual preferences, instead of the Organization for Transformative Works (OTW is the governing body of AO3) deciding for an entire, diverse body of fans what they would be allowed to consume. OTW’s creators saw the blood spilled. And they used it to write new rules.

This became the standard of fandom because of its equal opportunity approach. Fandoms have the ability to self-govern, and one of the easiest and safest ways to do that is through comprehensive tagging systems.

Tumblr has an incredible tagging system. Could it be better? Sure. But you can block tags for things you don't like. You, the individual. You, the solitary person, with your own lens through which you view the world. You, who are different to anybody who has ever been, and different from anyone who will be, because no one will ever share your exact set of thoughts, words, feelings, and actions. YOU.

Essentials so far:

Hosting sites began for all fanfiction

A few hosting sites became Curated sites

Curated sites led to the creation of One Hosting Site to Rule Them All (no matter what issues that may create) AO3

The one hosting site is now the primary archive for thousands of fandoms, open to all kinds of work as long as you tag correctly

The democratization of fandom gives space for all works, and allows users to consume what they will (and avoid what they wish) via comprehensive tagging systems

So... where does that leave us?

ACOTAR is a relatively new fandom. It's boomed in the last couple of years, and that's fine. That's good. It is driven on platforms like TikTok and tumblr.

Do not tell me that the TikTok fans are worse. The grass is not burning any more on the other side of the fence than it is under your feet. And yes, the grass under your feet is burning. Look around! And this is the hellsite, after all.

Tumblr and TikTok, paired with the insane (and awesome!) number of ACOTAR fans, largely keep us apart from previously existing general fandom spaces due to algorithms driving engagement. Many ACOTAR fans are new to fandom culture. I don’t think this is a bad thing. I do think it can create problems where fans with previous fandom experience who are a part of the ACOTAR fandom will clash with fans who are new to fandom.

I think this knowledge gives us a choice. There are two types of hosting sites. Why not create two types of events? This is already happening. If we can label events as one of the two types, then it will help people find their spaces where they are the most comfortable. If we create events that are labeled as either "curated" (large amounts of moderation, limits on ships allowed, etc) or "hosted" (anything goes), then we can ensure that everybody is happy. 

She means that, by the way. She works for "peace". Ha. Imagine that. But seriously, girl…

Okay, well…

My Perspective (And Why Do People Care So Much?)

Am I truly happy with this? No.

It actually really pisses her off, actually. She won’t admit it, but I will.

I think, Editorial Chaos, that fandom benefits from Archive of Our Own type approaches, where anything goes, but you must tag comprehensively. It encourages appropriate reporting of triggering material and content not safe for minors/work. This goes for fandom spaces, but most especially fandom events, which should accept things which under the umbrella of the theme they are celebrating, regardless of the perceived morality of their content.

Maybe we can't expect all spaces to be ready for anything. We don't expect that of all people. However, saying that you are hosting an event which is open to all fans that prevents people from considering a character in a new view, such as considering a morally gray character, who is presented in canon as a protagonist, as an antagonist during their character week, or issuing guidelines which would limit an author's interpretation of characters that fit within an archetype, is not truly hosting a fandom-wide event. That's a curated event. And calling it "curated" here is not a judgment.

She seriously means that, too. In case you actually care. The Suriel knows I don’t.

An event that does not allow for truly transformative fanworks within the bounds of its established purpose (a specific ship for a ship week, or including a certain character for a character week) is not an event that is open. It is curated.

An event that is curated is not open to all fans, and should not be presented as such. I’m not going to make a judgment call and say that it is wrong. Get together with your friends and host your own week. I don’t care if you do that! I encourage it! Call it a fic trade, call it something else, but it isn’t an “open” event. It is curated.

However, I want you to keep something in mind as you curate public-facing events: Stop policing for morality. That’s going to end very poorly for us. Keep in mind that the things you are reading in ACOTAR now would have been, and are, in some places, being pulled from library shelves (if they’re getting published at all!) because of the same kinds of arguments you are making about morality. 

If you truly want more ACOTAR books, consider that, were your thoughts and opinions transposed to the real-life debate about book censorship (which isn’t really different from curation/moderation except that its issued by a corporation or government, which is an added level of intensity) by people who thought explicit sexual content didn’t belong in published books, you wouldn’t have ACOTAR at all.

An event presented as open to all fans when it is not actually open to all fans is in fact censorship, defined in the New Oxford American Dictionary (accessed via Apple) as “the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.” 

Despite that, if this move to identifying events as either “open” or “curated” is what we need to get through this, then so be it. So be it. I'll be disappointed, and I'll be frustrated. And, so help me, I'll be angry. I will. I will not lie to you about that, but I will deal with it.

I love the “don’t like, don’t read” aspect of fandom. I like extensive, comprehensive, and sometimes-even-silly tagging. I like exploring things that I may not like, and then deciding “this just isn’t for me.” I like blocking tags!

More than that, though? I am tired of the fighting. I am so damn tired of it, guys. We have to do better. We seriously do. 

(Under 18s, and frankly, even 18-25s like myself, I’m just going to say one thing to directly to you, in case you are here. If you only take one point away from this post: Please learn to be nice to each other when you disagree. You, me, and our generations are notoriously bad at that. These people can be some of your best friends. Read that post I linked at the top for more details on good old human decency on public facing platforms. Complain to each other in DMs here or on Discord. Go outside and scream when you are frustrated, if you must. You’ll thank yourself one day, I promise.)

We are not treating each other with basic human dignity. We are not treating people like people. We also are not doing a good job of simply moving away from things that upset us at an individual level. We cannot expect to only see things we agree with. What we can do is acknowledge that our emotions are our responsibility. 

Community spaces do not need to be moderated for your enjoyment. If you are a part of a community space intended to be enjoyed with moderation like Reddit or some Facebook groups, great! If you are a part of a large group of people on a public platform like Tumblr, or in some type of semi-open community space like an open Facebook group or Discord server with a ton of people and expect to only see things you agree with or never encounter criticism, tough. 

Learn to accept criticisms of ideas you agree with. You don’t have to accept the criticism itself. You do have to accept that people are going to have thoughts you may not agree with, and that you will see them from time to time no matter how well you think you have blocked and closed off your experience to fit your tastes. (There is a big difference between appropriate criticism in the general environment and direct vitriolic hatred, which I decried in the post you should have read before starting. Which is why Editorial Chaos insisted you started there, to be clear.)

It’s exhausting to pretend like things are fine.

The grass is burning, remember? We’re all on this hellsite together.

So take from this post what you will. Consider my proposal for two kinds of fandom events. Ask questions, if you wish. Send me your thoughts. 

Just remember I’ll be the one answering cruel ones. Keep it together, folks. I was raised well, but I’ve got Nesta’s tongue and years of therapy to prove it.

I wish you all well. I truly do. I hope you learned something, or were able to consider something in a new light. I hope you find it helpful. 

All my best,

Chaos

Hey. Can I go, too?

Yeah, dude. Go to bed. It’s like… 3 AM and you’ve been obsessively working on this for days. How many research papers on censorship in fan controlled spaces did you-

Shut up, Chaos. At least we’re done now. Finally. Peace, y’all. <3 (not really), Editorial Chaos

xxx

One final note from my last editing round of this piece: I truly did spend days researching these topics, and reading thoughts from various points of view here on tumblr. I hope having the back and forth from "Chaos" to "Editorial Chaos" was entertaining rather than distracting. I hope some part of you enjoyed reading this. I truly do.

The first draft of this post was written not long after the Elaingate hashtag was created. It was a lot shorter. It was a lot meaner. It was a lot more discombobulated. I hope, despite the length and the occasional rudeness, that you have been able to learn something new, or consider a new perspective.

This subject matters a lot to me. In my state, we are fighting book bans left and right, and have been for a few years now. I recognize a lot of the statements I have seen here on tumblr from that very fight, and it makes it incredibly personal to me.

Thank you for understanding that for me, and many others around the globe who face much stricter regulations than those proposed in my district, this is more than a debate about morality and censorship in fanfiction. It is about addressing a pattern of thought that has real world consequences in our neighborhoods.

Thank you for reading this. Thank you for your kindness. I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

And in case anyone is curious? Editorial Chaos is the bitch who edits all my fanfictions. Yes, really. She has her own brain (/kidding!). And she's so mean to me. All the time. (/true.)

[jayf-art]

There's something so dangerous about the way y'all view sisterhood/family dynamics, and its giving only child/youngest behavior smh

The side eye i give Everytime i see a Nesta hate post is...enough to give me a headache tbh.

Siblings are mean. My (ftm, he/they) brother hated my half of their life, but you know what happened?..We grew up! That's it! We grew up, and both matured to a point we can have meaningful conversation! That's legitimately all it takes.

(((I was going to add personal stories but realized i dont owe anyone so...)))

The Acheron sisters, and i will fight to the death on this, never got to grow up.

They were all stuck in various limbos thanks to their poverty and deadbeat father ((yeah hes a deadbeat, he may have been mourned but that changes nothing about his behaviors while alive)) Due to this, they got stuck in a cycle of immaturity. They had to stay the same, emotionally, mentally etc in order to survive the various needs and wants of their human lives.

Again, kids are just brutal...Most of the shit that goes down between the Acheron sisters is when they are kids (they're all in their beginning 20's), so I don't see how it can be labeled as "'abuse'"

Abuse is not a garnish word. It is not some thing you can throw around because a character, character, said something you don't like. These words, believe it or not can affect real life people.

Now, heres something to ask--

If you were put in Feyre's shoes, would you be as gracious? The answer some of you give is no, but i genuinely wonder. She decided- decides, to be that way. It is a choice she makes to be as kind and caring as she can be, because that's who she is, that's who she wants to be.

If you were put in Nesta's shoes, would you be as cruel? The answer some of you give is, again, no. But i still genuinely wonder. She decides to push people away, because she feels due to her family's conditioning that she doesnt deserve comfort. When all else fails, violence is the answer. But that's not who she is or wants to be.

Nesta is getting better, she's learning to grow. And so is Feyre. We can see the potential relationship growing at the end of ACOSF.

Neither of them will be a good fit for the other until they're able to heal, and grow up. They have their mates and their families to help them, I'm sure it'll turn out okay

[princessofmerchants]

A Post-HOFAS reading of Nesta Scrying for the Mask in ACOSF

One of my favorite scenes in ACOSF is when Nesta scrys for the Mask.

(HOFAS spoilers after the break)

From the first time I read this amazing scene, I immediately recognized all the callbacks to the scene in ACOWAR when she scryed for the Cauldron during the war against Hybern.

She made no move to close her eyes. “I—am I to … touch it?” “No,” Amren warned. “Just come close. Find it, but do not interact.” Nesta still didn’t move. She could not use the bathtub, she’d told me. Because the memories it dragged up— Cassian said to her, “Nothing can harm you here.” He sucked in a breath, groaning softly, and rose to his feet. Azriel tried to stop him, but Cassian brushed him off and strode for my sister’s side. He braced a hand on the desk when he at last stopped. “Nothing can harm you,” he repeated. Nesta was still looking at him when she finally shut her eyes.

—ACOWAR, ch. 62

Cassian’s warmth seeped into her side, his wings rustling near her back. She let that warmth, the rustle anchor her. He had come to save her from her nightmare, had stayed with her while she slept. Had guarded and fought for her. He would let no harm come to her now. No harm No harm No harm

—ACOSF, ch. 31

Cassian, her mate, is her anchor and way back when she descends into her power and its connection to the Cauldron-Made Mask, just like he was the reason she found the courage to scry for the Cauldron in ACOWAR.

And now, after reading HOFAS, I noticed new details in the ACOSF scrying scene that take on new meaning.

The magic when Nesta scrys resembles that of the Mystics in Midgard. The room gets cold (though in ACOSF Azriel does note with alarm that didn't happen when Nesta scryed for the Cauldron in the war against Hybern—so we are left to wonder what is different this time?). And the person using their power is focusing their magic into a question they need an answer to. Scrying in Prythian seems limited to locational questions, while I think the Mystics are sometimes asked questions that aren't framed as "Where is X?" And yet, the way they find answers seems to be locational too—their minds travel to someplace to seek an answer to the question asked. I have encountered predictions that Elain's Seer power may turn out to work similarly to the Mystics, but from the little we saw of it in action in ACOWAR, I'm no longer convinced the descriptions of how these kinds of magic operate seem to align—Nesta's scrying magic is way more similar, to me anyway.

Cassian's kiss given to Nesta to pull her out of the scrying, because she's used "the essence of the Cauldron" (‼️) to create an impenetrable wall around her mind to protect her loved ones...his kiss reminds me of Bryce and Hunt sharing their powers with each other in HOFAS when they have sex as mates. These scenarios aren't identical per say, but Cassian uses the power in his Siphons to send bites of power into her palm to draw her silver fired attention to him. Then he kisses her, and besides being so 👏🏻 sexy 👏🏻, after the kiss this exchange happens in mindspeak with Rhys:

(Kindle isn't letting me copy/paste anymore text from ACOSF 😏)

Something about Cassian warming the entire room while kissing Nesta to bring her out of the scrying has me thinking "Mate Magic Meld" a la Quinlar (but on a much smaller scale perhaps because they haven't both accepted the bond at this point), which is so freaking cool.

Whether it turns out to be simply a literary parallel or actually pointing to the same magical phenomenon on different scales, either way it's still cool to me, especially given how in both mate relationships, one of them is the anchor for the other to always "come back home" when descending into powerful magic that runs the risk of consuming the wielder. (This is again similar to the Feysand mating bond being Feyre's way back to life—and Rhys—at the end of ACOTAR when she dies.)

I'm sure there are even more amazing details from this Mask scrying scene that will blow our minds someday after we get to read the next ACOTAR book, which is when I expect Nesta's powers that she stole from the Cauldron, then was gifted to keep by the Mother, to be explained to us even more.

But for now I wanted to record what I noticed this time around rereading my favorite book—the mate trope as a romantic trope is cool, but mating bond magic sharing is the coolest. 🥰

[galaxyofstars]

guys (spoilers for tog)

rowan literally had a whole "fake" mating bond that he believed was real for years. he was married. he spent over a century of his life in perpetual morning of someone he believed was his dead mate. lucien believing that his dead love was his mate without even feeling the mating bond does not mean that he can't have a romance with elain lmao.

it's just a question of how disrespectful sjm will be to jesminda (i never got over the way they talked about rowans ex sometimes. hoping and praying the same does not happen PLEASE)

“She was nothing like Jesminda.”

People are always up lucien’s ass for this line and for comparing elain to jesminda but like…no shit he’s gonna be comparing them 😭—the female he thought was his mate and his actual mate.Lucien genuinely believed him and jesminda were mates and she died with him thinking that.It’s only natural now that he’s found his real mate his mind would wander back to jesminda and he’d subconsciously compare the two.Lucien did not think anything negative about elain he was merely making an observation on how different she is than who he’d expected to be his mate(jesminda).

“Elain had been … thrown at him.”

People also twist this line in a million different ways.Lucien was thinking back on how him and jesminda had this epic love story where she had seduced him and teased him and chosen him in every way there was.He had then spent centuries believing his “mate” was dead so elain had been thrown at him.Thrown at him as in he never expected to find his mate because he thought his mate was DEAD.The mating bond snapping was just as shocking for lucien as it was for elain.So just like elain,lucien is allowed to be confused and uncertain about their mating bond especially in this scene where he was literally meeting her for the first time.This is not proof lucien doesn’t want elain or that he resents the mating bond,it’s literally just him thinking and making keen observations regarding their situation.Stop twisting my man’s words 🗣️.

[wingedblooms]

Void and Chaos

“My father was the Void, the Being That Existed Before. Chaos was his bride and my dam. It is to them that we shall all one day return, and their mighty powers that run in my blood.” (Apollion, hosab)

When these words spilled from Apollion, my first thought was of the Cauldron and Book of Breathings. Higher beings like Void and Chaos are forces—and might be part of the Forces That Be. Their union is described like a cosmic marriage, reminding me of another romantic scene:

I saw the painting in my mind: the lovely fawn, blooming spring vibrant behind her. Standing before Death, shadows and terrors lurking over his shoulder. Light and dark, the space between their bodies a blend of the two. The only bridge of connection…that knife. (acowar)

@offtorivendell (here), @psychologynerd (here) and I have discussed how Elain and Azriel are opposing forces coming together in this scene (and let’s be honest, every scene they share together; it’s an established pattern). Throughout the Maasverse, when opposing forces meet in the space between, they create balance and harness power as @silverlinedeyes reminds us here. Azriel and Elain (and the three brothers + three sisters) represent cosmic balance when they come together, and are poised to help restore the current cosmic imbalance impacting their world.

Nothing (Void) into something (Chaos)

In acomaf, both halves of the Book of Breathings (and other Made weapons, namely the Mask 👀) repeat the same cycle that involves Void and Chaos, with pointed differences:

Unmade and Made; Made and Unmade—that is the cycle. Like calls to like. (acomaf, the first half—void)

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Not as the voice of the second and final piece of the Book filled the room, sang to me.

Life and death and rebirth

Sun and moon and dark

Rot and bloom and bones

Hello, sweet thing. Hello, lady of night, princess of decay. Hello, fanged beast and trembling fawn. Love me, touch me, sing me.

Madness. Where the first half had been cold cunning, this box…this was chaos, and disorder, and lawlessness, joy and despair. (acomaf, the second half—chaos)

They express the same cycle but begin and end differently: Void begins and ends with unmade, and Chaos begins with life and ends with rebirth, which aligns with their roles in creation.

Ultimately, what we learn from these quotes, is that creation, or what Rhysand calls the chaos of Forming (acomaf), involves both nothing (Void) and something (Chaos). The mural in Spring reflects this union in vibrant color:

It began with a cauldron. A mighty black cauldron held by glowing, slender female hands in a starry, endless night. Those hands tipped it over, golden sparkling liquid pouring out over the lip. No—not sparkling, but … effervescent with small symbols, perhaps of some ancient faerie language. Whatever was written there, whatever it was, the contents of the cauldron were dumped into the void below, pooling on the earth to form our world… (acotar)

So does the Night Court insignia.

"The silver thread," Elain asked. "What is that called?"

The weaver paused the loom again, the colorful strings vibrating. She held my sister's gaze. No attempt at a smile this time. "I call it Hope."

My throat became unbearably tight, my eyes stinging enough that I had to turn away, to walk back toward that extraordinary tapestry.

The weave explained to my sister, "I made it after I mastered Void."

I stared and stared at the black fabric that was like peering into a pit of hell. And then stared at the iridescent, living silver thread that cut through it, bright despite the darkness that devoured all other light and color. (acofas)

And so do Azriel and Elain.

Void, icy and devouring darkness

People often made the mistake of assuming Cassian was the wilder one; the one who couldn’t be tamed. But Cassian was all hot temper—temper that could be used to forge and weld. There was an icy rage in Azriel I had never been able to thaw. In the centuries I’d known him, he’d said little about his life, those years in his father’s keep, locked in darkness. Perhaps the shadowsinger gift had come to him then, perhaps he’d taught himself the language of shadow and wind and stone. (acomaf)

Azriel’s black hair seemed to gobble up the blinding sunlight. (acowar)

Azriel silently faded into blackness—until he was my own shadow and nothing more. (acowar)

Azriel tucked in his wings and left without another word, stalking through the house and onto the front lawn to sit in the frigid starlight. To let the frost in his veins match the air around him. Until he felt nothing. Was again nothing at all. (Azriel’s bonus chapter)

The pain that last quote delivers is so brutal every time. But it reinforces Azriel’s connection to Void, and it brings us to Elain. The person who makes him feel awake and alive and hopeful, to ask sacrilegious questions he has never dared to utter before. He is not nothing in her presence—he is more, he is something.

Chaos, blooming light and life

She loves to garden. Always loved growing things. Even when we were destitute, she managed to tend a little garden in the warmer months. And when–when our fortune returned, she took to tending and planting the most beautiful gardens you’ve ever seen. Even in Prythian. It drove the servants mad, because they were supposed to do the work and ladies were only meant to clip a rose here and there, but Elain would put on a hat and gloves and kneel in the dirt, weeding. She acted like a purebred lady in every regard but that.” (acotar)

The gates to her mind…Solid iron, covered in vines of flowers—or it would have been. The blossoms were all sealed, sleeping buds tucked into tangles of leaves and thorns. (acowar)

If Elain was a blooming flower in this army camp, then Nesta…she was a freshly forged sword, waiting to draw blood. (acowar)

The Cauldron seemed to realize what she’d done, too, as his head thumped onto the mossy ground. That Elain…Elain had defended this thief. Elain, who it had gifted with such powers, found her so lovely it had wanted to give her something…It would not harm Elain, even in its hunt to reclaim what had been taken. (acowar)

Her sister’s delicate scent of jasmine and honey lingered in the red-stoned hall like a promise of spring, a sparkling river that she followed to the open doors of the chamber. (acosf)

Soft steps padded from under the stair archway, and there she was. The Faelights gilded Elain’s unbound hair, making her glow like the sun at dawn. (Azriel’s bonus chapter)

It was Elain who was gifted something by the Cauldron in the chaos of her own (re)Forming. And now that their fortune has returned—ie, they’ve been blessed by Fate—Elain may garden on a far grander scale. And she’ll have the help of her love interest and friends (and maybe her entire family).

Which brings us back to the beginning, to the Cauldron and Book of Breathings. In his bonus chapter, Azriel wondered if the Cauldron was wrong and he learns in hofas that it was, in fact, warped. But how was it warped, and for what purpose?

Rhysand said, “I heard a legend that it was written in a tongue of mighty beings who feared the Cauldron’s power and made the Book to combat it. Mighty beings who were here … and then vanished. You are the only one who can uncode it.” (acomaf, Rhysand to Amren)

As @merymoonbeam and I have mentioned before, the Asteri created the Book of Breathings to control the Cauldron. The Cauldron was sacred to the Fae, and it likely gave them power the Asteri could not initially control. It made them a threat. Remember, the Cauldron is Wyrd, and Wyrd governs the forces of creation (Void and Chaos). She is a Mother to all, a Cauldron brimming with life, and a weaver of Fate, according to the Under-King.

Mother, Cauldron, Fate.

She is not an actual goddess, but a force. And certain beings, like the Archeron sisters, are bearers or vessels of her magic and can wield it when needed.

When the Asteri claimed the power of Wyrd through the Book of Breathings, they were able to gain control over life and fate. And they used that control to feed their insatiable appetite for power. They twisted the natural cycle—life and death and rebirth—into one that served them.

In hofas, Azriel and Nesta learn that this control was never wholly uncovered or addressed. The Asteri’s secrets were buried in the land, forgotten. And so it is fitting for us to return to the beginning with Azriel and Elain, to unearth the remaining secrets and unravel the Asteri’s control over life and fate. To truly change fate, though, their union cannot just be one of magic, it must also harness the strongest force:

Through love, all is possible. It was an ancient saying, dating back to some god he couldn’t remember. Cthona, probably—what with all the mother-goddess stuff she presided over. Hunt had long since stopped visiting temples, or paying much attention to the overzealous priestesses who popped up on the morning talk shows every now and then. None of the five gods had ever helped him—or anyone he cared about. Urd, especially, had fucked him over often enough. (hoeab)

Love. It’s possible their union was always meant to alter life and fate through love, as so many (@icedflames, @elriell, @silverlinedeyes, and @offtorivendell) have theorized. Together, they might be able to swear something between their bodies and hearts and souls, binding the threads of gold that control their very fate, and make the impossible, possible. A cosmic love that restores balance and honors the joy and beauty Void and Chaos created when they first came together and formed the world.

Life and death and rebirth.

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Thank you for reading my rambling love notes about cosmic forces and Elain and Azriel. Happy Elriel Month, friends! 🌸🦇

@elriel-month

May 1: Death and the Maiden

[batboys-cumdumpster]

I have only seen when Tamlin forced Lucien to perform Calanmai with Ianthe (who later tries to SA him). From what I know, it is not said what Rhys does for Calanmai. I also don't understand why letting Nightmare Court perform the Calanmai ritual would be a problem. It's just sex for magic, it isn't that deep as long as all parties are consenting.

am i insane or is it mentioned that keir performs calanmai duties for rhysand. and if so why has he given Known Daughter Beater and Resident Super Misogynist sex magic duties.

[shadowivyy]

a healthy reminder that casual readers (who stay offline) know who the next book is about.

my manager from work and I were talking about book series and I brought up ACOTAR. we gushed about it then I decided to bring up the next book.

our ACTUAL conversation:

Me: “So… who do you think the next book is about?”

Her: “Elain obviously! She’s the last sister.”

Me: “And… who do you want to her to end up with?”

Her: “Well definitely not Lucien.”

Me: “Oh.. then who?”

Her: “Uh.. Azriel, who else? It’s obvious.”

Me: “Thank you! People online think she’s going to end up with Lucien and Azriel ends up with Gwyn.”

Her: “Huh? Gwyn and Azriel? That makes no sense. They don’t even interact much. They literally do not make sense together.”

Me: “I KNOW!”

there is just one example.

another example.

my mom (who is finishing up ACOSF at the moment) had this discussion with me at the end of ACOWAR. she also stays offline.

our ACTUAL conversation:

Me: “So… who do you want the bat boys to end up with?”

Her: “Like Cassian and Azriel?”

Me: “Yes, those two.”

Her: “Well, Nesta and Elain.”

Me: “What makes you say that?”

Her: “I… thought it was pretty obvious.”

BECAUSE IT IS. you don’t need an english degree to figure this out people. SJM makes it clear, even from ACOMAF. from the bat boys meeting the archeron sisters, to mor drawing 3 stick figures that look like feyre next to three bat boys, to every CANON interaction afterward. it’s always been 3 sisters x 3 brothers. ITS. ALWAYS. BEEN. OBVIOUS.

casual readers read the books how they’re supposed to with no one telling them online who to ship because it’s IN THE BOOKS. this isn’t rocket science!

before i joined the online discourse i shipped elain and azriel. to my surprise, when i hopped on for the first time, ready to share the love of the two characters, i went head first into a war zone with no warning... because i didn’t think i would need one! i thought everyone shipped them together!

SJM & bloomsbury need to release this book already. i’m sick of the stupidity i see online. they just need to drop it with no announcement at this point.

[natureboy96]

Tamlin and the Hybern Deal: Fumbling or Preplanned?

Preface:

a lot of criticism for the series can be directed at the quality of the writing or narrative. ultimately, I don't believe the series is interested in a more nuanced approach when it comes to a relationship coming apart or having the characters understanding each others' motivations in favor of promoting an escapist fantasy for overcoming a traumatic event. That being said, I am going to approach this event aiming to be more objective than the narrative, because that's generally how I look back on most books, even the ones I am really invest in personally. I understand why people may choose to simply accept the narrative as is for catharsis or vicarious comeuppance, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I've had a number of thoughts about this part of the story since I read ACOWAR, as I'm sure a number of people have. After a lengthy discussion on a different post with two very passionate and respectable fans of the series, however, I found myself thinking about and discussing points about the deal I hadn't thought about before, and I feel a proper assessment of the event is worth doing. I've come to my own conclusions on this based on what I have read/remember, but I imagine there are other conclusions people can draw as well.

Tamlin's motivation pt 1 - Feyre

The first knowledge we have of Tamlin's deal with Hybern is when he shows up there, and he and the King tells us he's made the deal to rescue Feyre from Rhysand. Getting Feyre back is the only motive he clearly states in ACOMAF, though in ACOWAR we get more reason to believe there could be more to it.

I still hold that it feels very disingenuous to say his motivation was solely to control her or treat her like a pet. We do know that, at least at the start of ACOMAF, he's very much blind to what Feyre's going through, a combination of their two traumas making actual, honest communication between them impossible. We also know that Tamlin's motives for his actions at the beginning of the book, as stated by him, are to protect her from every threat he couldn't before. He cares for her as the person he'd fallen in love with, and did not know the person she became after UtM.

After Feyre leaves, there is no credible reason for Tamlin to believe that she wants to stay away and wasn't taken by the "evil high lord who could control people's minds and who had sexually assaulted her for months in front of him", whom she had said she didn't want to be with. Tamlin was not informed by Lucien or his staff that Feyre was rescued willingly by Mor, including hiding the melted ring. A short letter written in her own hand could easily be coerced, not even with mind control. When Lucien went to find her and bring her back, she tells him that, "When you're trapped in the darkness long enough, the darkness stares back", and then produces massive bat wings. I can't see that as anything but confirming that she was corrupted by darkness, whether it was her decision or otherwise. That doesn't seem like the sort of message that means you don't need rescuing.

Lastly, we get to Hybern itself, when Feyre tells Tamlin directly that she does not want to go with him, and Tamlin learns they are mated. I'd point to the whole, 'evil mind controlling HL' again for why she might say it, but the mating bond would have made it even worse; we know for a fact mating bonds doesn't mean true love, and a lot of bonds end up terrible - imagine the woman you love mated to a monster she wanted to escape from? Either way, this part happens after the deal is made, and as Lucien mentions, the deal couldn't be reneged on without costing his life, even if he did believe her. And no, I don't consider a high lord including his inner circle in an alliance as wrong, for reasons I will elaborate on in the next section.

Tamlin's motivation pt 2 - Hybern's inevitability

at the beginning of ACOMAF, we know that Tamlin and Lucien are off on their territory's borders, supposedly hunting down Amarantha's threats and doing other war things. It isn't until later in the book that Rhysand tells us that Hybern is preparing for war, and that the Spring Court would be the first target, as Hybern wants to destroy the wall and reenslave the human population. We also learn that Tamlin and Lucien's trips to the border and war camps were also in anticipation to Hybern's plans.

The question, then, is why would Tamlin make a deal to let the invading kingdom into his lands, when his court would be the first on the chopping block, and when he's explicitly stated he hates slavery? Some point to this as being a poor decision/oversight on his part, sacrificing everything to get Feyre back.

We learn, early on in ACOWAR, that Tamlin’s deal for Feyre wasn’t just to get her back, but also to leave the people of the Spring Court undisturbed and untouched:

I would also call to Tamlin's evidence during the HL meeting (another topic worth a deeper look) as proof that Tamlin had plans for more than just rescuing Feyre with this deal. We know that Feyre has been at Spring for a few weeks at the start of ACOWAR and doesn't stay for much longer, past the Summer Solstice and a bit longer at that, but not much. An indeterminate amount of time passes after, without any notable events/holidays to track it (worth clarifying if people know otherwise) And yet, Tamlin has months worth of records on Hybern's movements and plans when he's at the High Lord meeting. It's possible he started gathering this information after Feyre left, but I find it harder to believe he wouldn't have started this planning from the beginning - it's clear when Feyre is there that he isn't just looking to play along with Feyre, and tries to tell her there is more going on than just a betrayal. Lucien actually confirms it himself when the two of them are fleeing from Spring and through Autumn - he confirms Tamlin was already playing the double agent when he made the deal, to use Hybern for their own ends and hope to rally support later:

Ianthe (who Hybern calls one of his own) states that Hybern is inevitable, and Rhysand and the IC plan and prepare through the two books along the same lines. It seems foolish for Tamlin to assume otherwise, especially with Ianthe's manipulation so close. And it's already been confirmed that Spring would be the first court to be invaded, for its proximity to the wall and human lands. That leaves Tamlin with a choice: Should he risk open warfare against Hybern, devastate his forces without guarantee the other lords will come to help? And even if he could manage to hold off Hybern (we learn well that even all the courts together couldn't do it together without Amren) what would the devastation be?

This is where I draw a parallel between Rhysand's choice with Amarantha and Tamlin's choice with Hybern. When Rhysand knew Amarantha would be inevitable, he decided to play a double agent in order to better protect people he could. The choice to work with Hybern, once it was clear they were inevitable, would be the best out of terrible choices. pretending to be on Hybern's side offers Tamlin the highest level of control he can manage in the face of an all out invasion. We see that this was part of Tamlin's planning; his bargain guarantees the safety of his people, and he's able to evacuate people to the east to protect them. It mitigates damage in a way he can protect more people than not.

Was Tamlin's planning, then, effective at all, especially seeing as Hybern's twins were daemati, and Feyre has to protect his and Lucien's minds because they couldn't guard their minds themselves? I would posit that, as far as the story goes, we only know of 5 daemati in the entire series; Rhys, Feyre (from Rhys' powers), the twins, and the unnamed daemati Rhys claims was the one to actually kill the kids (sloppy retcon, thin lie or legit story, impossible to tell). Rhjys mentions that daemati are super rare and highly prized, but no other court seems to have one in their arsenal, a skill that could be very useful in the middle of a war. We certainly know the Spring Court hasn't one, none they know about.

As for protecting oneself against a daemati's attack, we only have a single example of training one's mind, that being Rhys training Feyre. We haven't any confirmation that non daemati can even guard their minds from mental attacks, and even if they could, we've only seen it be done by another daemati, and Tamlin neither is nor has a daemati.

Furthermore, we have no confirmation that Tamlin or the Spring Court knew Hybern had powerful daemati on their side, or that the twins were themselves. Even if it could be assumed they were, there's no indication that the twins are daemati or that they would be the ones sent to Spring as emissaries. There are a lot of things you can't plan for when it comes to things you don't know, and something as rare as a mind controller seems hard to plan for.

As for the rest of Tamlin's plans... We can't know for sure what he might have planned to manage Hybern, because Feyre's manipulations affected anything he might have had planned. Whether you think it justified or not, Feyre's actions were calculated with the intent of driving a wedge between Tamlin and his people, using her Fae Sainthood to do so. Tamlin was put into more and more situations between her manipulation and Ianthe's, and because of the deal (and his attempt to remain looking as a good ally to Hybern) his hands were forced to make terrible decisions. If Tamlin had sided with a sentry over Ianthe, a Hybern agent and not just priestess, he would have risked the double agent position he was holding, and Feyre made sure he would be punished for these choices. Feyre is, as she was in ACOMAF, Tamlin's blindspot. His love had blinded himself to what she could do or needed, to her detriment in ACOMAF, and then his own and Spring Court in ACOWAR. Perhaps Tamlin had plans to protect his people and his lands better than he managed... We can never know, though, because Feyre chooses to act and the narrative hasn't been interested in explaining more. We also know, from Feyre's own words, that she was aware her plans would hurt more than just Tamlin and was willing to let Spring fall to better unite the rest of the courts to work together.

Conclusions

Based on the evidence in the text, we can come to the conclusion that Tamlin had used his deal with Hybern to try and better protect his Court, a plan that Lucien seems to confirm was in their thinking to begin with, and Tamlin confirms in the High Lord Meeting with follow through. We cannot know the full effect of his planning, whether it would have worked or not, due to Feyre's actions in Spring. Saying Tamlin's only motive for Hybern was to get Feyre back and he hadn't thought through/planned for Hybern seems to be proven false from Lucien's words.

[thebookishgaymer]

Have we as a fandom discussed how the separation of Velaris and the Hewn City has fundamentally cut the citizens of both off from their spiritual roots and connections to the land. Were told in (I think ACOMAF) that the 12 high priestesses are as influential as the 7 High Lords. The citizens of the Hewn City live in darkness and we’re shown how a lot of the spiritual practices are performed outside (like the solstice celebration in spring in ACOWAR). We’ve seen the winter solstice celebration in the hewn city and there was no mention of any priestesses during it, and since it’s the biggest celebration in the Night Court there should be a priestess there but there isn’t.

Velaris is also cut off from their spiritual roots but in a different way. For as vile as Ianthe was she did interact with the people of spring and conducted ceremonies for them. Now unless Rhys has two high priestesses in Velaris (since it’s been a hidden city for 5,000 years I doubt it) their high priestesses is cloistered in a library rather than leading the people of Velaris in worship. And as I’m writing this it’s occurring to me that Rhys has a high priestesses relegated to the role of a receptionist in the library hidden away from the sky and the people. I actually can’t think of a better metaphor for how oppressive the NC is to everyone that could possibly challenge the authority of the HL.

The influence of the mother has essentially been bound and subdued in the Night Court. Well with the exception of Nesta’s relationship with her, which further demonstrates how Nesta will be essential in righting the injustice of Prythian’s governing system.

[offtorivendell]

How long has Koschei been stirring the Cauldron?

Posted for @elriel-month 2025, "Free" prompt.

Disclaimer: this is just a theory that makes no claims of being canon. It's also not a theory that's specific to Elriel, but still heavily revolves around them and their potential, so I think it fits for this month. My thanks, as ever, go out to @wingedblooms, @silverlinedeyes, @psychologynerd, @lovelydreamlight, and @elrieldreamer for always chatting crack theories with me. Love you all. 💜

Spoilers: the entire Maasverse is referenced, please read with caution if you aren't up to date.

Before we crack on, the following posts may be worth reading (but are by no means required), just so you know where I'm coming from with all this:

All about the Cauldron's oily magic, Azriel and Elain being separated for plot reasons, and discordant mating bonds - here and here

The Archeron sisters descend from Starborn fae - here

Powerful parallels between the Archeron sisters and Theia (and Bryce) - here

The Asteri may be tampering with mating bonds - here

Elain's Sight may require both darkness and song - here

What if Elain and Nesta wore iron bangles to stifle their latent magic while human - here

Three brothers x three sisters, an anti rainbow - here

I hope to discuss Koschei's hypothetical scheming behind the scenes, which I suspect has been going on in order to prevent Wyrd from being freed. This will involve the Archeron sisters, Elain, Azriel and Lucien, and Rhys' odd behaviour. This post will be long, and a little convoluted, I'm sorry, but I hope it all makes sense in the end.

Let's begin!

Merrily, Merrily, Merrily, Merrily...

Are Merrill's powers "but a dream," similar to Elain?

As I have mentioned before, these two lines, both from Azriel's ACOSF bonus chapter, have bugged me for years:

Fury was a moonless night on Rhys' face.

Just this taste in the dead of the longest night of the year, where only the Mother might witness them.

You can read the main theory post, but to sum up the relevant points:

I believe that Merrill may be working for Koschei as some sort of double agent (though he could be unaware of her other affiliations) either because she is the trapped/enslaved ghost of a murdered faerie, or she is trying to save the soul of a murdered loved one

I suspect that she has been spying on Feysand's inner circle, reporting everything back to Koschei, and facilitating control over them in some way

Years ago, I suggested there may be a possibility that Koschei was once known as Fionn, the High King, and that he may have been the original shadowsinger (or tied to shadows in some way), and a daemati; I also noted that there were some interesting parallels between Azriel and Koschei in the text. I have since expanded on those thoughts in this theory, and I cannot wait for more lore on this topic. I haven't posted my "Lightsingers in the Library" theory yet (though I've spoken about it before here and here, and I hope to get it done eventually), so to briefly explain where it may come in: I suspect that there is some link between daemati and Singer powers, in that they can all get a read on - and maybe even influence - the minds of those they're targeting. I think Clotho may be a Singer (either a shadowsinger or lightsinger), given she appeared to follow along with Feyre and Rhys' mental conversation in ACOWAR, and I also find it suspicious that Rhys appeared to used his daemati powers to trick Feyre in much the same way I think lightsingers (and shadowsingers!) might lure their own "prey."

I smiled slightly at Rhys, who kept looking ahead as we spoke mind to mind. Don’t they know by now that they can find you down here? Of course. But I never go to the same spot twice in a row, so it usually takes them so long to find me that they don’t bother. Plus, they know that if I’m here, it’s because I want to be alone. Poor baby High Lord, I crooned. Having to run away to find solitude perfect for brooding. Rhys pinched my behind, and I clamped down on my lip to keep from yelping. I could have sworn Clotho’s shoulders shook with laughter. - ACOWAR, chapter 20

I could almost see what would have happened: The shop ladies would have been polite—a bit nervous—and given us privacy as Rhys sat on the settee in the back of the shop while I went behind the curtained-off chamber to try on the red lace set I’d eyed thrice now. And when I emerged, mustering up more bravado than I felt, Rhys would have looked me up and down. Twice. [...] Then he’d have tugged me a bit closer before leaning in to brush a kiss to my navel, his tongue— I swore as I slammed into the post of the stairwell landing. And I blinked—blinked as the world returned and I realized … I glared at the eye tattooed in my hand and hissed both with my tongue and that silent voice within the bond itself, “Prick.” In the back of my mind, a sensual male voice chuckled with midnight laughter. My face burning, cursing him for the vision he’d slipped past my mental shields, I reinforced them as I entered my room. And took a very, very cold bath. - ACOMAF, chapter 38

So if Koschei is a daemati and/or shadowsinger, or he has access to one (or both!), then I am extremely worried for all of the warnings Rhys gave Feyre in the original trilogy, with regards to always guarding her mind. Chekhov's daemati hasn't come into play yet, and I am scared for Rhys and co. Do you remember back in ACOWAR, when the twin Ravens infiltrated the Library and targeted Feyre and Nesta? We learnt that they entered the mind of the priestess who let them in, but left her alive for some reason. Rhys, in a state of distress - ie. not at his best, so very potentially not on guard for an attack in the moment - then entered the priestess' mind after the fact, in order to see what had happened. Did Koschei/the hypothetical daemati take this opportunity to stow away in his mind?

I promise I'm not making excuses for Rhys, but I've said before that it would not surprise me if his "out of character" behaviour, whether that be harshly berating Azriel over Elain, or lying after Feyre said "no more lies, Rhys," turns out to be orchestrated by Koschei, or something Valg-like, having infiltrated his mind and quietly pulled some mental threads here and there.

Did the priestess who let in the Ravens unwittingly act as a middle man for a powerful being who wanted to get into Rhys' mind? And who might it be? My money is on either Merrill or Gwyn - and to clarify, this does NOT make them evil, it would make them HIS VICTIMS - because of the following passages. Merrill first.

She knocked on the shut wood door. “Enter.” Nesta opened the door to a rectangular cell of a room, occupied by a desk on the far side and two bookshelves lining both long walls. A small pallet lay to the left of the desk, a blanket and pillow neatly aligned. As if the hooded priestess with her back to Nesta sometimes couldn’t be bothered to return to the dormitory to sleep. - ACOSF, chapter 13

Merrill turned at that, and Nesta was greeted with a surprisingly young face—and a stunningly beautiful one. All the High Fae were beautiful, but Merrill made even Mor look drab. Hair white as fresh snow contrasted against the light brown of her skin, and eyes the color of a twilight sky blinked once, twice. As if focusing on the here and now and not whatever work she’d been doing. She noted Nesta’s leathers, the lack of any robes or stone atop her braided hair, and demanded, “Who are you?” - ACOSF, chapter 13

Merrill laughed, that phantom wind around her whispering. “Do you not know who I am, girl?” “I know that you are keeping us from our work,” Nesta said with that flat calm she knew made people irate. “And I know that this is a library, but you hoard books like it is your own personal collection.” Merrill bared her teeth. “You think I do not know you? The human girl who was shoved into the Cauldron and came out High Fae. The female who slew the King of Hybern and held up his head like a trophy as his blood rained upon her.” Surprise lit Gwyn’s face at the graphic description. Nesta didn’t allow herself to so much as swallow. “The wind whispers to me even here, under so much stone,” Merrill said. “It finds its way in through the cracks and murmurs the goings-on of the world in my ear.” Merrill snorted. “Do you think you are entitled to do as you please now?” Nesta’s power rumbled in her veins. She stomped on it, shoved it down and strangled it. “I think you like to hear yourself talk too much.” “I am descended from Rabath, Lord of the Western Wind,” Merrill seethed. “Unlike Gwyneth Berdara, I am no lackey to be dismissed.” To hell with this witch. To hell with restraint and hiding. - ACOSF, chapter 29

Firstly, there are some parallels with Elain's own magic, and maybe Mor's, that make me think Merrill may also be able to access the murky realm/space between/Void in a similar manner. I include Mor in this, as in addition to her witchy potential, I have long thought that Truth and Sight could function in much the same way. Since Mor's introduction in ACOMAF, many people have noted that Truth-Teller could be named after her, but I suspect it's deeper than that, as Truth-Teller translates literally to "soothsayer." A Seer—Elain. But I digress.

“I was a dreamer born into the Court of Nightmares,” Mor said. She twirled a curl around a finger, and I wondered if her story might be the worst of all of them as she said simply, “So I got out.” - ACOMAF, chapter 16

Seer. The word clanged through me. She’d known. She’d warned Nesta about the Ravens. And in the chaos of the attack, that little realization had slipped from me. Slipped from me as reality and dream slipped and entwined for Elain. Seer. - ACOWAR, chapter 33

Gwyn’s hair seemed to glow brighter with her song, skin radiating a beckoning light. Drawing any listener in. But Merrill’s warning clanged through the beauty of Gwyn’s voice, and Nesta cleared her throat. Gwyn whirled toward her, glow fading even as her freckled face lit with surprise. “Hello again,” she said. - ACOSF, chapter 13

Merrill, as I discussed in this theory, was blinking as she appeared to refocus on Nesta in the "here and now." This parallels Elain leaving the clutches of her Sight, which @wingedblooms and I suspect is linked heavily to the space between, but it also sounds strikingly similar to the following scene with Nesta and Rhys...

Gwyn, however, stilled, those large teal eyes looking even more unearthly as they widened. No fear tinged her scent, but rather something like surprise—awe. Rhys threw her an easy smile, one Nesta would have bet was crafted to put people at ease in his oh-so-magnificent presence. The casual smile of a male used to people either fleeing in terror or falling to their knees in worship. “Hello, Gwyn,” he said warmly. “Good to see you again.” Gwyn blushed, shaking herself out of her stupor, and bowed low. “My lord.” - ACOSF, chapter 28

Nesta leaned into Cassian. Not much, but enough for a trained warrior like Rhysand to note. A dark, silken hand brushed inside her mind. A request. She debated ignoring it, but found herself opening a small door through the steel, spiked barrier she kept around herself day and night. The door was essentially a peephole, and she allowed what she supposed was the equivalent of her mental face to peer through it to the dark, sparkling plane beyond. What? You are to treat Gwyn with kindness and respect. The thing that stood beyond the fortress of her mind was a creature of claws, scales, and teeth. It was veiled from sight beneath writhing shadows and the occasional passing star glinting in the darkness, but every now and then, a glimpse of a wing or a talon shone. Mind your own business. Nesta slammed that small viewing hole shut. She blinked, slowly registering Emerie asking Cassian about tomorrow morning’s lesson, and what she’d miss today by leaving an hour early. Rhysand’s eyes glittered. - ACOSF, chapter 28

We still don't know much about Nesta's silver flames/death magic, but as far as we do know, she does not have Elain's abilities to See without scrying tools, and she cannot communicate mind to mind on her own steam. It's also odd that Rhys has met Gwyn before (though he does not appear to know her well, given Gwyn's awed reaction), because when would that have happened? The above passage from ACOWAR, chapter 20 said that most of the priestesses didn't bother to seek him out when he does visit the library, because they know he goes for his own reasons/he's too hard to find. The only other instance I could think of was Gwyn's arrival, but Mor took her to the library sanctuary, not Rhys. So, was Gwyn's mind the one the Ravens infiltrated, hypothetically allowing Koschei in, to then further his advances into Rhys head when the time came?

Where Nesta had been in contented silence before we found her, Elain’s silence was … hollow. Empty. Her hair was down—not even braided. I couldn’t remember the last time I’d seen it unbound. She wore a moon-white silk dressing robe. She did not look, or speak, or even flinch as we entered. Her too-thin arms rested on her chair. That iron engagement ring still encircled her finger. Her skin was so pale it looked like fresh snow in the harsh light. I realized then that the color of death, of sorrow, was white. The lack of color. Of vibrancy. I left Cassian and Rhys by the door. Nesta’s rage was better than this … shell. This void. - ACOWAR, chapter 15

It's interesting that we know the colour of "death" and "sorrow" is white, and while Merrill has hair as white as fresh snow, Gwyn's nickname name means white/bright; Gwyn is also cognate with the Irish name... Fionn. Meanwhile, Gwyn ap Nudd is the Welsh king of the faeries, ruler of the Otherworld and leader of the Wild Hunt (about which @merymoonbeam has so thoroughly theorised), while Fionnbharr is the king of the Daoine Sidhe, and occasionally the ruler of the dead in Irish mythology. As an aside, Merrill's name means sparkling sea, which also ties her to Koschei, who is apparently "as old as the sea," or older (per Vassa); is this coincidental, or is SJM trying to hint at some link between the two? Again, I'm not saying that either Merrill or Gwyn are - or will become - evil, but I am considering them as potential pawns in Koschei's game. In Gwyn's case especially I don't think she would be aware, though I could always be wrong.

"The High King is not pleased..."

Another passage that has jumped out at me - I think I've talked about this on one of the Reddit subs, but I can't find it - was this scene Under the Mountain, in ACOTAR.

I’d never become accustomed to the Attor, but I had come to accept its malignant presence. Seeing my escorts stiffen awakened a dormant dread, and my mouth turned dry as we neared the bend. Even though we were veiled and hidden by shadow, each step brought me closer to that winged demon. My feet turned leaden. Then a lower, guttural voice grunted in response to the hissing of the Attor. Nails clicked on stone, and my escorts swapped glances before they swung me into an alcove, a tapestry that hadn’t been there a moment before falling over us, the shadows deepening, solidifying. I had a feeling that if someone pulled back that tapestry, they would see only darkness and stone. One of them covered my mouth with a hand, holding me tightly to her, shadows slithering down her arm and onto mine. She smelled of jasmine—I’d never noticed that before. After all these nights, I didn’t even know their names. The Attor and its companion rounded the bend, still talking—their voices low. It was only when I could understand their words that I realized we weren’t merely hiding. “Yes,” the Attor was saying, “good. She’ll be most pleased to hear that they’re ready at last.” “But will the High Lords contribute their forces?” the guttural voice replied. I could have sworn it snorted like a pig. They came closer and closer, unaware of us. My escorts pressed in tighter to me, so tense that I realized they were holding their breath. Handmaidens—and spies. “The High Lords will do as she tells them,” the Attor gloated, and its tail slithered and slashed across the floor. “I heard talk from soldiers in Hybern that the High King is not pleased regarding this situation with the girl. Amarantha made a fool’s bargain. She cost him the War the last time because of her madness with Jurian; if she turns her back on him again, he will not be so willing to forgive her. Stealing his spells and taking a territory for her own is one thing. Failure to aid in his cause a second time is another.” There was a loud hiss, and I trembled as the Attor snapped its jaws at its companion. “Milady makes no bargains that are not advantageous to her. She lets them claw at hope—but once it is shattered, they are her beautifully broken minions.” They had to be passing right before the tapestry. “You had better hope so,” the guttural voice replied. What manner of creature was this thing to be so unmoved by the Attor? My escort’s shadowy hand clamped tighter around my mouth, and the Attor passed on. Don’t trust your senses, Alis’s voice echoed through my mind. The Attor had caught me once before when I thought I was safe … “And you had better hold your tongue,” the Attor warned. “Or Milady will do so for you—and her pincers are not kind.” The other creature snorted that pig noise. “I am here on a condition of immunity from the king. If your lady thinks she’s above the king because she rules this wretched land, she’ll soon remember who can strip her powers away—without spells and potions.” The Attor didn’t reply—and a part of me wished for it to retort, to snap back. But it was silenced, and fear hit my stomach like a stone dropped into a pool. Whatever plans the King of Hybern had been working on for these long years—his campaign to take back the mortal world—it seemed he was no longer content to wait. Perhaps Amarantha would soon receive what she wanted: destruction of my entire realm. My blood went cold. Nesta—I trusted Nesta to get my family away, to protect them. Their voices faded, and it wasn’t until a good extra minute had passed that the two females relaxed. The tapestry vanished, and we slipped back into the hall. “What was that?” I said, looking from one to the other as the shadows around us lightened—but not by much. “Who was that?” I clarified. “Trouble,” they answered in unison. - ACOTAR, chapter 41

The brilliant @wingedblooms has discussed Nuala and Cerridwen at length before, theorising about their wraith powers and how they may fit in with Elain and her future arc, so I won't rehash all her work (here and here), but I really do love the association of shadows and weaving, and how it ties to the Void tapestry/fabric in ACOFAS (see @silverlinedeyes for her theory about Elain wearing Void). Will Elain and Azriel eventually harness light and dark, weaving them together to traverse the space between, as I have suggested before?

But I digress. The pig creature's mention of a "high king" - the only instance before ACOSF introduced us to High King Fionn - caught my eye, and I haven't been able to drop it. Am I right that the once (and future, if he gets his way) High King Fionn¹ is still in play somehow? As Koschei, at least in part? Theia's light was split into three, could she - or Silene, or whomever the Fae warrior once was - have done the same to Fionn to weaken and imprison him? Have the Bone Carver and the Weaver returned to him, or, alternatively, Amren and Lanthys? I suspect the latter, and this is another theory I hope to post about in more detail at some point. But basically, three brothers for three sisters; three lights of salvation and three of death? As above, so below, right?

¹ I think Silene was missing certain details with regards to her family's history.

Was Fionn, as Koschei, controlling the King of Hybern, with or without a Valg parasite? I find it really suspicious that Feyre immediately dropped back to "king" and assumed the Attor and pig creature were discussing the King of Hybern, especially after ACOSF introduced an actual High King. Was SJM setting up her long-term game plan a decade ago, whether or not she decided to pursue it? Stolen spell books sound very appropriate for Koschei the Sorcerer. The King of Hybern was never a High King, and it's now fairly accepted that he may have been possessed by a Valg. I know there's definitely a possibility that I'm reading too far into this, or it's a plot seed that has since been pruned, but I still think the Attor and the pig creature were ultimately working for Koschei, not the King of Hybern. Just like I suspect of the Ravens, who referred to their "master," not their king.

“May the Immortal Light shine upon thee, sisters"

I was speaking to @wingedblooms and @silverlinedeyes a while ago, and I think it's possible that the runes on the Archeron cottage could have been hiding their magic.

I kicked my boots against the stone door frame, knocking the snow from them. Bits of ice came free from the gray stones of the cottage, revealing the faded ward-markings etched around the threshold. My father had once convinced a passing charlatan to trade the engravings against faerie harm in exchange for one of his wood carvings. There was so little that my father was ever able to do for us that I hadn’t possessed the heart to tell him the engravings were useless … and undoubtedly fake. Mortals didn’t possess magic—didn’t possess any of the superior strength and speed of the faeries or High Fae. The man, claiming some High Fae blood in his ancestry, had just carved the whorls and swirls and runes around the door and windows, muttered a few nonsense words, and ambled on his way. I yanked open the wooden door, the frozen iron handle biting my skin like an asp. Heat and light blinded me as I slipped inside. “Feyre!” Elain’s soft gasp scraped past my ears, and I blinked back the brightness of the fire to find my second-eldest sister before me. - ACOTAR, chapter 2

Feyre was blinded by light and warmth as she entered, which sounds very similar to the way the light of the Starborn - from whom it's very possible the Archeron sisters could be descended - can blind an Oracle, which I have discussed here. Like the iron bracelets I've discussed before, suggesting that they might suppress Nesta and Elain's magic, were the runes there to protect the family? And - given the similarities noted between Elain and her father, and the fact that Elain appearing to be leeched of life in the Hewn City could be due to the land or a portal trying to revive itself - could Papa Archeron's meagre (we assume) human portion of Starborn light have been powering the runes that protected his daughters, leaving him constantly tired, depressed, and drained? And was the same thing happening to his daughters?

Koschei has been playing the long game

I know many of us have discussed the lake of starlight in the Spring Court at length, so forgive me if this has been covered before, but has anyone suggested that it could be linked to Mama Archeron teaching at least Nesta how to swim, after their cousin drowned in childhood?

Nesta focused on her breathing again. She knew how to swim. Her mother had made sure of it, thanks to a cousin who had drowned in childhood. Murdered by faeries, her mother had claimed. I saw her dragged into the river. Had it been a kelpie? Or her mother’s own fears warped into something monstrous? - ACOSF, chapter 33

Has the Archeron sisters' line, possibly both maternal and paternal, been targeted by Koschei for generations? Is it because they are human descendents of the Starborn fae, and/or the faerie warrior who trapped Koschei at his lake, many thousands of years ago? And Vassa? Was/is she to be Koschei's salvation, if his plan works out?

“So I’m your huntress and thief?” His hands slid down to cup the backs of my knees as he said with a roguish grin, “You are my salvation, Feyre.” - ACOMAF, chapter 19

Cassian and I waited, not daring to interrupt. “Clever, that Fae warrior. Her bloodline is long gone now—though a trace still runs through some human line.” He smiled, perhaps a bit sadly. “No one remembers her name. But I do. She would have been my salvation, had I not made my choice long before she walked this earth.” I waited and waited and waited, picking apart the story he laid out like crumbs of bread. “She could not kill them in the end—they were too strong. They could only be contained.” - ACOWAR, chapter 23

She had saved my life once—Under the Mountain. In exchange for my sparing Lucien’s. Did she wonder where her lost son was now? Had she heard the rumors I’d crafted, the lies I’d spun? I couldn’t tell her that Lucien currently hunted the continent, dodging armies, for an enchanted queen. To find a scrap of salvation. - ACOWAR, chapter 43

Mama Archeron died of typhus - and another cousin of hers died of malaria "after visiting Bharat," by the way - and both the Archeron fleet and fortune were lost in a storm on their way to Bharat, sending Feyre, Elain and Nesta (and Papa Archeron) into a poverty from which it would be very easy to perish. Nesta herself said that she wanted them to die to get their father to act. This could all tie in with what we read in ACOTAR:

“Didn’t …,” Tamlin interrupted, his deep voice surprisingly gentle, “didn’t your mother tell you anything about us?” I prodded the table with my forefinger, digging my short nails into the wood. “My mother didn’t have the time to tell me stories.” I could reveal that part of my past, at least. - ACOTAR, chapter 8

I know I'm not the first to wonder at Tamlin specifying Feyre's mother (and not parent or nanny/governesses), but it seems important that...

Mama Archeron knew how to swim²

Mama Archeron saw faeries drown her cousin in a river

² Feyre went swimming in a pool of starlight... did Mama Archeron ever meet a faerie herself (and go swimming, maybe in a pool of starlight - that's less likely, I know)?

You guys know I've been thinking for years that Koschei has been working to prevent 3x3 from happening, such that I think his storms sank Papa Archeron's fleet in order to try to kill off the Archeron sisters through poverty. The pig creature did say that "the High King is not pleased regarding this situation with the girl" - was this because he wanted Feyre (and by extension, her sisters) far away from the action? But Wyrd - who is also playing her own game - had a different, more chaotic, idea?

What if, once Feyre had been Made against his wishes, Koschei had to change tack? He may have wanted the sisters Made after all - better the enemy you know/keep your enemies close, after all - to use them for his own means, but to do that he needed to stop Elriel, and therefore Wyrd, from realising their full potential. Does he plan to insert himself into their union in some way, or use either Elain or Azriel for his own means, due to their hypothetically compatible powers?

The Cauldron's swirling eddies

As I'm sure you're all aware, I've been a believer in the true mates theory for a while, and while my thoughts on the nuance surrounding it have evolved over the last four years, I have believed, since ACOSF, that the mating bond between Elain and Lucien is likely due to Koschei using the Cauldron, possibly through the king of Hybern.

She refused the knife Cassian handed her, though. Went white as death at the sight of it. Azriel, still limping, merely nudged aside Cassian and extended another option. “This is Truth-Teller,” he told her softly. “I won’t be using it today—so I want you to.” His wings had healed—though long, thin scars now raked down them. Still not strong enough, Madja had warned him, to fly today. The argument with Rhys this morning had been swift and brutal: Azriel insisted he could fly—fight with the legions, as they’d planned. Rhys refused. Cassian refused. Azriel threatened to slip into shadow and fight anyway. Rhys merely said that if he so much as tried, he’d chain Azriel to a tree. And Azriel … It was only when Mor had entered the tent and begged him—begged him with tears in her eyes—that he relented. Agreed to be eyes and ears and nothing else. And now, standing amongst the sighing meadow grasses in his Illyrian armor, all seven Siphons gleaming … Elain’s eyes widened at the obsidian-hilted blade in Azriel’s scarred hand. The runes on the dark scabbard. “It has never failed me once,” the shadowsinger said, the midday sun devoured by the dark blade. “Some people say it is magic and will always strike true.” He gently took her hand and pressed the hilt of the legendary blade into it. “It will serve you well.” “I—I don’t know how to use it—” “I’ll make sure you don’t have to,” I said, grass crunching as I stepped closer. Elain weighed my words … and slowly closed her fingers around the blade. Cassian gawked at Azriel, and I wondered how often Azriel had lent out that blade— Never, Rhys said from where he finished buckling on his own weapons against the side of the wagon. I have never once seen Azriel let another person touch that knife. Elain looked up at Azriel, their eyes meeting, his hand still lingering on the hilt of the blade. I saw the painting in my mind: the lovely fawn, blooming spring vibrant behind her. Standing before Death, shadows and terrors lurking over his shoulder. Light and dark, the space between their bodies a blend of the two. The only bridge of connection … that knife. Paint that when we get home. Busybody. - ACOWAR, chapter 69

“I was just checking on dessert,” Elain explained as they approached the doorway and Azriel. Nesta met the shadowsinger’s stare and he gave her a nod. Then his gaze shifted to Elain, and though it was utterly neutral, something charged went through it. Between them. Elain’s breath caught slightly, and she gave him a shallow nod of greeting before brushing past, leading Nesta into the room. - ACOSF, chapter 58

It wasn't a rainbow that emerged from the other side. Not even close. It took her a moment to process what she was seeing: a gradient beam of starlight. Where the rainbow would have been full of color, this one began in shimmering white light and descended into shadow. An anti-rainbow, as it were. Light falling into darkness, droplets of starlight raining from the highest beam into the shadowy band at the bottom, devoured by the darkness below. Like the fading light of day—of dusk. - HOFAS, chapter 39

But what if light blasted from either prism, meeting in the middle? What would happen in the collision of all that magic? - HOFAS, chapter 39

Twin bursts of that light flared from either prism, gunning for each other. Bands of light falling into darkness, her power stripped to its most elemental, basic form. They shot for each other, and where they met, light and darkness and darkness and light slamming into each other— - HOFAS, chapter 39

Such light and darkness—the power lay in the meeting of the two of them. She understood it now, how the darkness shaped the light. But all that colliding power... it was the boost she needed. - HOFAS, chapter 39

Given SJM's love of/focus on the importance of trios in her work, it would just make so much sense to me that the Archeron sisters each held a third of a new protective power (to replace the portions of Theia's light that Bryce took, leaving Prythian unguarded), becoming a living Archesian amulet, if you will, and that their relationships with the three Illyrian "brothers" would fall under fated or prophecised, rather than cliche. There is a decent amount of evidence that Azriel and Elain showed interest in/comfort around each other from their first meeting in the human lands, and so much about her bond with Lucien seems suss (to me, and of course no shade at Lucien); the balance between three brothers and three sisters is also so important.

@psychologynerd has posted this brilliant theory, which discusses the possibility that the mating bonds between each of the three hypothetical (at least, for the moment) pairs could reflect an alchemical marriage, and I am so on board with that idea. It matches my own thoughts on the importance of Elriel's romance not just for each of them to experience a partner who I think is best suited to them, but for the potential of a carranam bond to exist. And it is for this reason I have long suspected that, while Wyrd (or Someone) gifted Elain her Sight, or activated some genetic potential she always carried, Koschei was very likely pulling some strings between Azriel, Elain and Lucien in order to stop Elain and Azriel from getting together and realising the true potential of their powers, both individually and as a unit. Because if true mates are carranam (or if these three pairs are both true mates and carranam), then they would each be a force to be reckoned with separately, and formidable as a whole. Imagine just how useful all of their powers would be, stripped to their most "elemental, basic form." Besides Elain and Azriel's unique and powerful magics being enough to put a target on their heads, this would make them even more sought after, by someone who knew what to do with raw magic.

Koschei and his ilk wanting to prevent that by using the Cauldron to mimic - @merymoonbeam, I think, has discussed the Cauldron's ability to recreate spells - a mating bond between Elain and Lucien makes sense in this context. Nesta and Cassian were so at odds with each other that maybe they were a lower priority target for that reason - or maybe it was due to Elain and Azriel's specific magics, as I've suggested - but beyond Graysen and Mor, who they've each moved past as of ACOSF, Elain and Azriel have no external barriers to becoming involved romantically. So Koschei took care of it. Or at least, he thought he had done, until Elain and Azriel got perilously close to throwing caution to the wind on the most recent Winter Solstice, the longest night of the year.

Rhys's face drained of color. "You believe you deserve to be her mate?" Azriel scowled. "I think Lucien will never be good enough for her, and she has no interest in him, anyway." "So you'll what?" Rhys's voice was pure ice. "Seduce her away from him?" Azriel said nothing. He hadn't gotten that far with his planning, certainly not beyond the fantasies he pleasured himself to. Rhys growled, "Allow me to make one thing very clear. You are to stay away from her." "You can't order me to do that." - ACOSF, Azriel's bonus chapter

Rhys jerked his chin toward the door. "Get out" Azriel tucked in his wings and left without another word, stalking through the house and onto the front lawn to sit in the frigid starlight. To let the frost in his veins match the air around him. Until he felt nothing. Was again nothing at all. - ACOSF, Azriel's bonus chapter

Thank you to @psychologynerd and her anon, who brought the first of these two passages to my attention - I'd completely missed it, even though I've spoken about the second quote before! I have wondered for a while whether the longest night of the year might increase Koschei's reach, strengthen his magic, and/or weaken the wards holding him trapped in his lake. Which brings us back to Merrill and her blinking herself back from an apparent absence, and fury being a "moonless night" on Rhys' face.

As I noted in my reblog of @psychologynerd's anon, Rhys draining of colour actually reminds me of Elain in a couple of scenes, which I have discussed above:

When her skin was as white as fresh snow, which Feyre made sure to note was the colour of death and sorrow

In the Hewn City the night before, when Cassian gave his unsolicited fashion opinion

It made me wonder whether something was trying to get at Elain's magic, so could it signify the same thing for Rhys, with his voice of pure ice? Then Azriel felt nothing, was again nothing at all - Void. It could definitely just be imagery that SJM has chosen to represent their individual struggles, but what if that's not the case? I really do think and hope that "far larger forces" are at play here.

Because Nuala gave us some interesting information about the Winter Solstice in ACOFAS.

Nuala went on, “It’s a time of rest, too. And a time to reflect on the darkness—how it lets the light shine.” “Is there a ceremony?” The half-wraith shrugged. “Yes, but none of us go. It’s more for those who wish to honor the light’s rebirth, usually by spending the entire night sitting in absolute darkness.” A ghost of a smirk. “It’s not quite such a novelty for my sister and me. Or for the High Lord.” - ACOFAS, chapter 1

Is Nuala suggesting that absolute darkness is not so fun for those with a magical proclivity for shadows? She named Rhys, but this could extend to Azriel... and Elain?

It also creates a lovely parallel with this moment in ACOSF:

But even the silence weighed too heavily, and though the shadows kept him company, as they always had, as they always would, he found himself leaving the room. Entering the foyer. Soft steps padded from under the stair archway, and there she was. The faelights gilded Elain's unbound hair, making her glow like the sun at dawn. She halted, her breath catching in her throat. - ACOSF, Azriel's bonus chapter

Azriel was spending his evening sitting in the darkness, and it was certainly not a novelty for him, until he saw "the light's rebirth," one Elain Archeron glowing "like the sun at dawn." In addition to the play on Rosehall/Rose + Hall between ACOFAS and ACOSF, this further cements in my mind that SJM was using ACOFAS to help set up Elriel (though I could of course be wrong), and the fact that forces beyond Rhys and Prythian politics may be keeping them apart.

That just leaves the original couple!

How do you solve a problem like Feysand and Nyx?

I've wondered this before in a few different places; what if Koschei wanted to accomplish one or both of the following tasks:

Force Nesta to return the death magic she stole from the Cauldron as she was Made (thus depleting it)

Kill Feyre, Rhys and Nyx before the latter was born, thereby preventing the realisation of a potentially catastrophic (to him) combination of magics

I am far from the first person to note that, when Feyre met the Bone Carver in the original trilogy, and he appeared to her in the form of her future son, he did not have wings. Someone as perceptive as Feyre would have noted that in a second, especially as the Carver did give himself wings at a later date.

“I’d have to agree,” Rhysand said. He stepped inside, the light bobbing ahead to illuminate a dark-haired boy sitting against the far wall, eyes of crushing blue taking in Rhysand, then sliding to where I lurked in the doorway. - ACOMAF, chapter 18

Up and up into the darkness we walked, through the sleeping stone and the monsters who dwelled within it. At last I said to Rhys, “What did you see?” “You first.” “A boy—around eight; dark-haired and blue-eyed.” Rhys shuddered—the most human gesture I’d seen him make. - ACOMAF, chapter 18

Hybern was stirring, frantically assessing what and who now stood before them. The Carver had chosen the form of an Illyrian soldier in his prime. Bryaxis remained within the darkness roiling around it, the living tapestry it would use to reveal the nightmares of its victims. - ACOWAR, chapter 69

So he orchestrated a winged baby in some way (possibly using the daemati backdoor I discussed earlier to ensure Rhys didn't consider wings when he and Feyre had sex in Illyrian form). If he simply wanted Nesta to return her stolen Death magic to the Cauldron, he had created a scenario where she could make a new bargain with Wyrd or the Cauldron to return most of her powers in order for the knowledge to save Feysand's lives. However, Koschei/Someone wanting to off Feyre, Rhys and Nyx - who would be the realisation of both their powers combined - would also make sense, and parallel his hypothetical goal of separating Elain and Azriel, using her mating bond to Lucien; it would permanently destroy the hypothetical 3x3 of light and dark, Chaos and Void, that Wyrd worked to return to Prythian's world. Goodbye, anti rainbow.

We know that Theia's light was a form of protection for Prythian's world - was it really light from the Asteri, as we were told in HOFAS, or was it actually from Wyrd/Chaos? Do Wyrd and/or Koschei want Elain (and likely Nesta and Feyre to complete the whole)³ in place of Theia's then fragmented, and now absent, magic? Did the Cauldron, through Wyrd, gift Elain His abilities, and what was Nesta left with besides her silver flames? If I'm right about Koschei being Fionn in some way, this would tie in very nicely with @merymoonbeam's theory that Fionn was a Seer (which ties right back in with my post discussing Elain's Sight being associated with shadows/the murky realm, and my old crack theory that Koschei/Fionn was the original shadowsinger). It's all coming together lol.

³ I would assume that if this is the case, Wyrd/Chaos and Koschei would want the trio of Archeron sisters for different, likely opposing, purposes.

Too crack? Just crack enough? We'll have to wait and see.

If you choose to comment on this post, please remain respectful. Thank you for reading so far! 💜

[themildestofwriters]

I'll never understand Tamlin antis who are so tied up in their hate for him they just straight up refuse to acknowledge one of the big twists of ACOWAR when interpreting his actions *during* ACOWAR.

Like, I'm not saying you have to like the guy, but G-ddamn. It's almost wilful ignorance how they ignore the fact that he was a double agent the whole bloody time.

There's also the fact that, quite clearly, in Feyre's narration no less, his motivations are further explained as an intense drive to protect his people from Hybern. Like, why are so many people caught up on the whole "He whipped his sentry!" thing when you have Feyre right there telling us that the only reason he did it was to prevent Hybern from thinking he was weak and therefore it would be better to conquer Spring rather than simply ally with it.

The book outright tells you why he whipped his sentry and yet this idea perseveres that Tamlin... what? Couldn't handle being questioned? I don't understand. The book tells us why he did it. Why are we still making up reasons for why he did it?

Tamlin is wearing a mask in ACOWAR. He needs to pretend to be a leal hound of Hybern's order. He can't do that, however, if he is constantly taking issue with everything Hybern does or wants him to do. If he wants to maintain his alliance, he needs to show himself to be strong in the way Hybern views strength. If he wants to be a double agent, he needs to earn their trust. He can't do either of those things if he's constantly fighting over tortured mortals and accused sentries.

It doesn't help that half the trouble Tamlin is having maintaining this mask is directly caused by Feyre putting him in situations where he must choose between the alliance and his status as double agent or doing the right thing in that moment. He wouldn't have had to whip the sentry if Feyre hadn't let Ianthe steal the keys (and, yes, Feyre *let* Ianthe do that, because she watched the whole thing happened and could have intervened at any time), and had Feyre not provoked Ianthe by committing Divine Fraud.

For as much as Feyre says she wishes she could have prevented the whole thing, she's lying to the sentries and she's lying to herself, because the sentry was whipped because that's what Feyre wanted. She wanted to destroy Tamlin's relationship with his sentries and this whole situation was all but set up by her for that purpose. Feyre gets to act like the champion for arguing against injustice — an injustice she let happen and provoked for her own ambitions — while Tamlin is condemned because whipping the sentry is the only way to protect his people from a worse fate, and the only way to continue his role as double agent (which played a major role in the downfall of Hybern itself).

I don't know. For people who seem to like the series so much, they seem awfully keen on just ignoring whole swaths of context so they can make up reasons to hate a fictional character. It's really annoying to, because they can't just be quiet about their fanfiction. They gotta bring it up everywhere, even in serious discussion about the series, and they'll insult you for your takes solely because Tamlin is "abusive," as if that changes anything.

[nikethestatue]

This is me being ridiculous, please don't take this too seriously. But.

Chapter 21 in Acotar: Feyre meets Rhys for the first time

Chapter 21 Acomaf: Feyre goes to the Weaver, gets the ring and recognizes her immense powers

Chapter 21 Acowar: Nesta and Amren are training, and Nesta's journey is foreshadowed. They discuss the Prison, and Feyre explains what it is to Nesta. Feyre has a nightmare about UTM and her sisters being Made.

Chapter 21 Acofas: huge Nessian fight where Nesta throws the gift box in the river

Chapter 21 Acosf: Nesta and Elain fight over scrying, Elain states that she is not a child to be fought over, and Feyre reveals she’s having a baby.

If looked at as a whole narrative for Elain's book, all chapters 21 tells a story:

Feysand meeting: The book begins with Elain reminiscing about how she met Azriel. How she was still human and he was Fae. Same situation as her sister, who started it all.

Feyre/Weaver: The book starts to explore Elain's powers. She is tested in some way (Sees Bryce's arrival?) Sees a woman with a star on her chest arriving from a different world? Again, echoes Feyre's experiences at the Weaver's.

Prison/Nightmare: the main plot begins to be presented, and it deals with the Prison, the Daglan/Asteri, Dusk, etc. The Cauldron influences everything, especially Elain, who is connected to it.

The BIG FIGHT: Elain and Azriel confront each other and their feelings. The Elucien bond is dealt with as well. This would be the 'love' portion of the story.

Lastly, Elain goes on her own adventure. Her journey begins and she leaves to fulfill her destiny.

This is just for fun, but it's kind of interesting to connect the dots. I don't know if they are supposed to be connected. But if they are, this is the story we'd be looking at.

[greenleaf777]

Its funny how SJM directly compares elriel and nessian(confirmed mates) and people still refuse to see that shes very likely writing elain and azriel to be mates. Theres constant parallels but also anti parallels, where they have the same reactions tot he sisters but they result in the opposite things.

Like Nesta and Cassian interactions go 📈 . Elriel interactions go 📉(which also matches their colors 😂 ). Its like Introvert vs extrovert, cold vs hot, loud vs quiet. Nessian and elriel almost balance each other. Elain and Nesta are opposing sides, Azriel and Cassian are opposing sides and sjm paired the two males and females together to match perfectly.

For example, when discussing the sisters using the dread troves Azriel is focused solely on Elain using it while Cassian is protective of solely Nesta.

Amren said, “We do not have the time to wait for Nesta to decide. I say we approach Elain tomorrow. Better to have both of them working on it.”

Azriel stiffened, an outright sign of temper from him as he said quietly, “There is an innate darkness to the Dread Trove that Elain should not be exposed to.”

“But Nesta should?” Cassian growled

When Nesta and Elain fight at the HOW i always got the impression Cass was a bit annoyed with Elain making Nesta mad “the shit with Elain” And Azriel focuses on and gets angry that Elain was potentially hurt with the exchange.

In ACOMAF, its clear as day Cassian focuses on Nesta immediately while Az is all about Elain and making her comfortable.

In ACOWAR, “Both males went a bit still.” Seeing the sisters, then Cassian goes to get a rise out of Nesta where Azriel immediately volunteers to take Elain out to the garden for peace and quiet.

During Solstice both males give gifts, one ends up throwing the gift into the sidra in a fit of temper while the other quietly tries to get rid of their “rejected” gift.

And on and on….you could probably write a 40k word essay comparing contrasting and paralleling nessian, elriel, and cassian vs az and elain vs nesta and how it relates to how well they work as couples and how they compliment each other as siblings too

This may be super convoluted cause i didn’t sleep after my night shift but i trust you will understand it 😂