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Henry VII, contrary to the historical myths that surround him, was an exceptionally talented king – forceful, intelligent and resourceful. It is seldom acknowledged, but he was probably the most effective and impressive of the Tudor monarchs.
no offence to henry vii but i honestly don't think "comes off better than the rest of a tudors" is much of a compliment
#anyway it's nice to finally see a book#which is both normal and quite frankly *right*#about henry vii#insofar as one can ever truly be Right in history#congrats! guy who never tried to behead his wife wins husband of the year award#for the third time in a row!#that's what this feels like. not only was he honestly a pretty decent husband#but it's not like that's hard compared to henry viii
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A central element of the myth of [Eleanor of Aquitaine] is that of her exceptionalism. Historians and Eleanor biographers have tended to take literally Richard of Devizes’s conventional panegyric of her as ‘an incomparable woman’ [and] a woman out of her time. […] Amazement at Eleanor’s power and independence is born from a presentism that assumes generally that the Middle Ages were a backward age, and specifically that medieval women were all downtrodden and marginalized. Eleanor’s career can, from such a perspective, only be explained by assuming that she was an exception who rose by sheer force of personality above the restrictions placed upon twelfth-century women.
-Michael R. Evans, Inventing Eleanor: The Medieval and Post-Medieval Image of Eleanor of Aquitaine
"...The idea of Eleanor’s exceptionalism rests on an assumption that women of her age were powerless. On the contrary, in Western Europe before the twelfth century there were ‘no really effective barriers to the capacity of women to exercise power; they appear as military leaders, judges, castellans, controllers of property’. […] In an important article published in 1992, Jane Martindale sought to locate Eleanor in context, stripping away much of the conjecture that had grown up around her, and returning to primary sources, including her charters. Martindale also demonstrated how Eleanor was not out of the ordinary for a twelfth-century queen either in the extent of her power or in the criticisms levelled against her.
If we look at Eleanor’s predecessors as Anglo-Norman queens of England, we find many examples of women wielding political power. Matilda of Flanders (wife of William the Conqueror) acted as regent in Normandy during his frequent absences in England following the Conquest, and [the first wife of Henry I, Matilda of Scotland, played some role in governing England during her husband's absences], while during the civil war of Stephen’s reign Matilda of Boulogne led the fight for a time on behalf of her royal husband, who had been captured by the forces of the empress. And if we wish to seek a rebel woman, we need look no further than Juliana, illegitimate daughter of Henry I, who attempted to assassinate him with a crossbow, or Adèle of Champagne, the third wife of Louis VII, who ‘[a]t the moment when Henry II held Eleanor of Aquitaine in jail for her revolt … led a revolt with her brothers against her son, Philip II'.
Eleanor is, therefore, less the exception than the rule – albeit an extreme example of that rule. This can be illustrated by comparing her with a twelfth century woman who has attracted less literary and historical attention. Adela of Blois died in 1137, the year of Eleanor’s marriage to Louis VII. […] The chronicle and charter evidence reveals Adela to have ‘legitimately exercised the powers of comital lordship’ in the domains of Blois-Champagne, both in consort with her husband and alone during his absence on crusade and after his death. […] There was, however, nothing atypical about the nature of Adela’s power. In the words of her biographer Kimberley LoPrete, ‘while the extent of Adela’s powers and the political impact of her actions were exceptional for a woman of her day (and indeed for most men), the sources of her powers and the activities she engaged in were not fundamentally different from those of other women of lordly rank’. These words could equally apply to Eleanor; the extent of her power, as heiress to the richest lordship in France, wife of two kings and mother of two or three more, was remarkable, but the nature of her power was not exceptional. Other noble or royal women governed, arranged marriages and alliances, and were patrons of the church. Eleanor represents one end of a continuum, not an isolated outlier."
#It had to be said!#eleanor of aquitaine#historicwomendaily#angevins#my post#12th century#gender tag#adela of blois#I think Eleanor's prominent role as dowager queen during her sons' reigns may have contributed to her image of exceptionalism#Especially since she ended up overshadowing both her sons' wives (Berengaria of Navarre and Isabella of Angouleme)#But once again if we examine Eleanor in the context of her predecessors and contemporaries there was nothing exceptional about her role#Anglo-Saxon consorts before the Norman Conquest (Eadgifu; Aelfthryth; Emma of Normandy) were very prominent during their sons' reigns#Post-Norman queens were initially never kings' mothers because of the circumstances (Matilda of Flanders; Edith-Matilda; and#Matilda of Boulogne all predeceased their husbands; Adeliza of Louvain never had any royal children)#But Eleanor's mother-in-law Empress Matilda was very powerful and acted as regent of Normandy during Henry I's reign#Which was a particularly important precedent because Matilda's son - like Eleanor's sons after him - was an *adult* when he became King.#and in France Louis VII's mother Adelaide of Maurienne was certainly very powerful and prominent during Eleanor's own queenship#Eleanor's daughter Joan's mother-in-law Margaret of Navarre had also been a very powerful regent of Sicily#(etc etc)#So yeah - in itself I don't think Eleanor's central role during her own sons' reigns is particularly surprising or 'exceptional'#Its impact may have been but her role in itself was more or less the norm
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TUDORWEEK2024 - DAY FOUR: Fancast Your Favourite Tudor Family Member(s)
Daniel Day Lewis & Julie Delpy as Henry VII and Elizabeth of York
“…After the victory of the said King Henry the Seventh, and the ceremonies of his anointing an coronation, on the last day but one of the following month, by the hand of the most reverend father, Thomas, cardinal archbishop of Canterbury, and in due conformity with the ancient custom, the marriage was celebrated, which from the first had been hoped for, between him and the Lady Elizabeth, the eldest daughter of king Edward the Fourth. This was duly solemnized, at the instance and urgent entreaty of all three of the estates of the realm, in the presence of the Church, on the eighteenth day of the month of January, in the year of our Lord, according to the computation of the Roman Church, 1486; a dispensation having been first obtained from the Apostolic See on the account of the fourth degree of consanguinity, within which the king and queen were related to each other.” - The Crowland Chronicle Continuations 1459-1586
#most of my posts for these have been or are gonna be about henry and / or lizzie lol#also this made me realise how much freya mavor actually kinda looks like her…..#tudorweek2024#tudorerasource#historical edit#picspam#history aesthetic#aesthetic#*my edits#henry vii#elizabeth of york#henry x lizzie#fc: julie delpy#fc: daniel day lewis#otp: the welsh dragon and the white rose#tudor aesthetic#tudor era#dailytudors
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They look like their dogs, guys
#ever since I found out about this phenomenon I've been living laughing and loving#ermmm what the scallop#artists on tumblr#silly drawing#art#digital illustration#king Charles II#charles ii of england#charlesposting#richardposting#henry vii#henryposting#king Henry vii#king Richard iii#English history#sfw furry
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"Hey, can I copy your homework?"
"Sure, just make it look different so that it doesn't look like you just copied it."
"Sure thing."
#magnificent century#hurrem sultan#suleiman sultan#ibrahim pasha#the tudors#anne boleyn#henry tudor#henry vii#thomas cromwell#a stretch in terms of dynamics? maybe#but literally both have such intense energy between the three of them#to have ot3 fics written about them or be paired off separately
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Trastamara girls born after 1485 can’t cook. All they know is charge they phone, get abandoned by they father, eat hot chip, have complicated pseudo sexual relationship with male authority figure, twerk, and lie. (About their virginity.)
#the complicated relationship comment is about Mary & Chapuys/Catherine & Diego Fernandez#but if you’re one of those Phillipa Gregory girls it could always be about her and Henry VII :3#oh and you know who else? Mary and Cromwell#gotta throw Hilary Mantel a bone#thomas cromwell#mary i of england#katherine of aragon#eustace chapuys#diego fernandez#ferdinand ii of aragon#king henry viii
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Of all the existing games on earth and even beyond it, I cannot refuse to participate in one about music. Thank you @richmond-rex for tagging me to make a playlist based on my username!
Ever since I met you - Die together in venus / Empty - Love and Death Verlorene Tage - Wavvyboi / Vertigo - Bridge to Grace Exhilerate - SAGE / Elle se répète froidement - CELESTE | The world might have seen better days - Siamese / Template - grcz Old habits - SAGA / Ominous - The Gazette | Apollo I: The Writing Writter - Coheed and Cambria / Accelerator - BlazinG Dangerous - Ethan Rose / Dead to me - HAARPER Anxiety - Palaye Royale / Airborne - LVTE BLOOMER My demons - Lacuna Coil / Mercy - Bad Omens
This is one of the moments when I regret not having a longer username, haha. I put two songs in each section - (what?, there's no rule against it) - because I couldn't decide.
I invite the following people to this game: @teodoraioana221 and her twin @teo-s-ghostly-corner, @theladyelizabeth, @foreverinthepagesofhistory and @pepperedectoplasm.
Participation is up to everyone. You can ignore this message if you want. (If there are people who want to participate and still haven't been tagged, they are free to do so! ^.^ )
#music#tag games#playlist#elizabeth of york#the wars of the roses#henry vii#15th century#I tried not to traumatize anyone#I have enough songs that seem aggressive#but they are innocent#I swear#These are just a few songs I listen to when I draw/write/ read/dream about my favorite historical (Plantagenet-Tudor) figures.#Good luck figuring out which is attributed to whom!#plantagenet#tudors#edward iv#elizabeth woodville#isabel neville#richard iii#henry vi#margaret of anjou
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Of note was the multi-cultural nature of the king’s personal staff. Though the majority of Henry VII’s closest servants in the Privy Chamber were derived from the families of minor gentry, there are named within the payment books a profusion of Bretons, French and Welsh household servants and courtiers. This perhaps might have been expected initially, given the composition of Henry’s supporters at Bosworth and the fourteen years he spent in Breton and French exile prior to the battle, but the numbers remained or were renewed throughout the reign.
— Margaret Condon, Samantha Harper and James Ross, The Chamber Books of Henry VII and Henry VIII, 1485-1521: An Analysis of the Books and a Study of Henry VII and his Life at Court.
To illustrate the point, two of the highest paid, and probably among the most intimate body servants of the king, are elusively mysterious. Piers Champion and Piers Barbour may have been Breton in origin, and may have come to England with the king in 1485. Both received the same salary of 66s 8d per quarter from the Chamber in the 1490s, and both were trusted to receive money intended for the king’s hands in the first receipt book (1488-1490).
#i didn't know about those two!#henry vii#historian: margaret condon#historian: samantha harper#historian: james ross
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Why did William Stanley betray henry vii?
Sorry to be late. It's a good question, but my first answer got erased, and I ragequit for a time. First, I must point out that there still is controversy regarding whether Sir William Stanley did betray Henry VII. Evidence is slim, and we do not know the exact plan he had in mind, only 'treasonous' talk. I think he did attempt to support Perkin Warbeck and that there was a Household plot, or at least something resembling that, burgeoning at the Tudor court. Sir William Stanley attempted to revolt against Henry VII because I think he simply thought Perkin Warbeck was Richard of Shrewsbury. This is why he rebelled against Richard III. Recall Sir William was a servant of Edward V and consistently followed the House of York during its struggles against the Lancastrians.
When the House split in 1483, he remained loyal to Edward IV's progeny. Hence, his support to Henry VII which was support to his late master's daughter. Perkin Warbeck was another struggle for him because if he was Richard of Shrewsbury, then he was probably the rightful king in William's mind. William was sixty years old by then and a very dangerous foe to have, with the income of an earl and large cash reserves. His defection was a blow to Henry VII who managed to preemptively arrest him. Still, the 'betrayal' of William Stanley was a sign of enduring frailty for the Tudor regime.
#Henry VII#Sir William Stanley#war of the roses#my opinion considering I doubt a fair bit about material interest for the switch#Betting on Perkin for material gain isn't very smart#and the allegation about William coveting the earldom of Chester are implausible to me
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“Throughout Henry’s exile, Margaret (Beaufort) seems to have been a faithful correspondent, keeping her son abreast of affairs in England. Though none of their letters from this period have survived, it is highly probable that they contained sentiments similar to those she expressed in her later letters to him: she often gave him her blessing, and on one occasion, in a reflection of her affection towards him, she assured Henry that ‘I trust you shall well perceive I shall deal towards you as a kind, loving mother’. At this time, however, Margaret was clearly considering the possibility of bringing about his return, though she also recognised that this would take time. As her standing with Edward IV improved, so too did her confidence to effect a reconciliation. If she could continue to win the king’s trust, Henry’s foreign exile could potentially be brought to an end.
By the beginning of June 1482, her efforts appear to have produced some results when Edward agreed that Henry could receive a share of his grandmother the dowager Duchess of Somerset’s lands to the value of £400 (£276,500) if he were to return ‘to be in the grace and favour of the king’s highness’. Edward signed the agreement on 3 June, attaching his official seal. A draft still survives and can be found among Margaret’s papers. The groundwork for Henry to return home had been laid. Edward’s grip on the reins of power was unchallenged, and with two surviving sons, his dynasty appeared to be assured—Margaret’s son was no longer a threat. Thus it was that, on an unknown date, Edward—curiously, using the same piece of paper on which Margaret’s second husband had been created Earl of Richmond—drafted a pardon for her son. Margaret began to hope that she and Henry would soon be reunited.”
- Nicola Tallis, “The Uncrowned Queen: The Fateful Life of Margaret Beaufort, Tudor Matriarch”
#historicwomendaily#history#margaret beaufort#henry vii#edward iv#kinda#this is SO interesting - I wish more people knew of it because it really changed my perception of Margaret AND henry AND edward#at the end of his reign#also since I'm quoting from her book I just wanted to point out: Nicola Tallis was beyond horrendous towards Elizabeth Woodville#and uncritically repeated a bunch of misogynistic tudor propaganda against margaret of york#AND was very weird about elizabeth of york's alleged 'feelings' for the uncle who bastardized her and murdered her brothers#even claiming that elizabeth felt 'spurned' by him (lmao)#i know that lots of historians have major issues writing about historical women who aren't their Special Favs#and that every historian is guilty of it to some extent#but to write about THREE women like this in 2019? that definitely takes things to a whole new shitty level lol
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The year is 2023 and there are people who believe the Princes in the Tower were murdered by Henry VII or his mother. Honestly to God… too old for this shit.
#personal#Henry VII#saw something about this post and.. god no words for this shit#people don’t even bother studying before making their own theories
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Boss Yells at me > I fuck his wife > No Depression
(Burger King AU lovebirds + Louis)
#Burger King AU#eleanor of aquitaine#henry ii of England#in this case. Of UMaine#Louis vii of France#my art#bk au#thinking about that tumblr post of#the most beautiful people are your parents in pictures before you were born
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It was not just because Arthur was his heir that Henry VII began to grant him titles and offices; he adopted these tactics for his younger son as well. As the king’s second son, Henry was first ennobled as the duke of York and gained several offices while Arthur was still alive: warden general of the Marches of England, lieutenant of Ireland, constable of Dover Castle, and warden of the Cinque Ports. It is interesting that to this point no tradition existed for the second son to be named duke of York, the only exception having been Edward IV’s second son. Henry VII chose to honor his wife’s family by granting that title to his namesake second son, thus beginning a tradition that lasted through the seventeenth century and that was resumed intermittently later."
-Retha Warnicke, "Elizabeth of York and her Six Daughters-in-Law: Fashioning Tudor Queenship"
*I mean, if Edward IV was the first one to do this and Henry followed his example, I really don't think we can say that Henry began the tradition, lol.
#just read something annoying about Henry shunning his queen's family because he was insecure so I wanted to post this#(WHY would he shun them? it doesn't even matter what he felt about Elizabeth - it was simply very politically advantageous for him)#henry vii#henry viii#edward iv#(kinda not really?)#tudors#english history#my post#queue
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I just want you all to know that Welsh King Arthur is very important to me. Thank you.
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Me, about Henry IV: I love that hypocritical, self-righteous, shitty father, toxic, convinced-he's-unlovable, deeply insecure and jealous usurping usurper who wears a big stupid hat and who really, really, REALLY needs therapy.
#henry iv#forever caught between the extreme views of him#the sort of... ricardian but make it richard ii view where he's the worst person who existed before henry vii#he's murderous and ugly and evil and tyrannical and rapey and gross and there's a lot of ableist shit about his illness#and there's the ian mortimer 'he was the greatest man to ever exist he saved them from a tyrant and never did anything wrong'#NO. henry sucks but not like THAT#NO. henry is underrated but he still SUCKS#text posts#this isn't about richardclub its about the actual published histfic and twitter cranks i have seen
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Um hello??? Why does Opaline have this?
#mlp#someone on reddit found this not me i have 0 braincells en#unless u wanna hear about Henry VII#mlp gen 5#make your mark#mlp spoilers
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