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You dare question me. In my own home, on my own blog, in my own ask. How dare you. Have you read my name? My calling sign? The text written in the sky above that is a title? I. Am. Explicitly. Not a furry. You must understand that, either you have not read that, or you do not take my noble word that I am telling the truth. And for that, you must be punished. I will find you, for as long as it takes, and I will tear you asunder, limb from limb, atom by atom. I will utterly and completely destroy you and there will be no physical evidence of you in this godforsaken earth once more. From ashes you came and to void you shall go.
Bad day to you, dimwit.
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Bitches be like “is anyone gonna spend their entire workday researching the answer to this question literally nobody asked?” and not wait for an answer (im bitches)
#even worse i did this because my coworker said something (abt the history of our organization) that i disagreed with and i wanted to send#a rebuttal#it was nicer than im making it sound but uhhhhh. im an insufferable pedant.#thoughts
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“tumblr mutual” beloved friend I would pick up at the airport if y’all visited my home city
#I’m pulling this one out of the drafts bc#it is a Saturday & the vibe is to be full of love#where’s the post that’s like oh I made a friend u didn’t make a friend someone followed u back#this is my rebuttal :(
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I'm sorry @kindgomknights, I think you're pointing at the wrong direction.
Age of consent is a form of sexual regulation. The left supports regulation as a means of protection from harm.
I'd advise you to reconsider your understanding of the spectrum, and how each side views regulation (economic, political, social)
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Il ne nous faut pas d’autorisation. Elle est à nous, la propriété.
#made a new sidebar gif so here's a big version#his best fit and i will hear NO rebuttal#armand#interview with the vampire#iwtvedit#edits
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people who don't study history will simply never understand the joy of reading historian beef. there's nothing like it
#when they're reviewing each other's work and they're just SHITTING ON IT????? wonderful#when you can tell the historian HATES whichever historical figure(s) they're writing about? incredible#one thing we must remember is that historians are just academic gossipers xx#what is JSTOR for if not to read the DRAMA#reading an absolutely SCATCHING rebuttal of an article on New England migration and honestly??? having a wonderful time#sometimes the history student just jumps out#history
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Cite your sources.
[First] Prev <–-> Next
#poorly drawn mdzs#mdzs#jin guangshan#jiang cheng#lan wangji#mianmian#Jiang Cheng stays quiet after JGS says his foul little lie about WWX not respecting or liking him.#And because it's an audio format there isn't any other information we get on what he does.#Probably sit there in silence. Fermenting on his festering abandonment issues.#I think JC has a bit of a delicate heart when it comes to the last few things he has to hold on to.#And damn if JGS can see right into that weakness. He's got a mercury tongue. Silvery and poisonous.#I know LWJ makes his rebuttal more for preserving WWX's face than reassuring JC.#But I also know they *did* team up in the past and they do have a lot in common. And canonically can't stand each other.#They are my funny little duo and I'm the one drawing the comic. I can bake my own crumbs.#Would LWJ actually comfort JC? I don't think he knows how to comfort anyone actually. Not even himself.#JC is struggling so badly in this meeting. I'm glad there are other people in this awful meeting to tag in while he has a quiet cry.#Who's ready for Mianmian to go off next comic? Let's give a 'GET HIS ASS GIRL' to our queen!
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ARES IS NOT THE PROTECTOR OF WOMEN IN GREEK MYTHOLOGY.
He is never presented as such in any source, there is no evidence such a role was ever assigned to him in any account, and as far as I'm aware this popular yet unattested assertion is born from the echo-chambers of tumblr. In fact quite the opposite could be argued. TW for sexual assault.
This baffling claim seems to originate from a sort of shallow examination of the way Ares "behaves in myth", and the following arguments are the most frequently presented:
1. Ares protects his daughter Alkippe from assault, and is therefore morally opposed to rape. (Apollodorus 3.180, Pausanias 1.21.4, Suidas "Areios pagos", attributed to Hellanikos)
Curiously this argument is never applied to, among other examples: Apollo for defending his mother Leto from Tytios, Herakles for defending Hera from Porphyrion (or his wife Deianeira from Nessos), or Zeus for defending his sister Demeter from Iasion (in the versions where he attacks her), etc. The multiple accounts of rape of the previously mentioned figures did not conflict with these stories in greek thought: they're defending family members or women otherwise close to them. This sort of mentality is not uncommon even in contemporary times, e.g. a warrior may have no ethical problem killing men, but would not want his own family or loved ones to be killed. The same goes here for sexual assault.
2. There are no surviving accounts of Ares sexually assaulting anybody.
The idea that the ancient greeks pictured that, among all the gods, Ares was the only one who shied away from committing rape is baseless and borders on ridiculous. In this case absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
The majority of surviving records regarding Ares' unions are presented in a genealogical manner, and do not go into details on their nature. This is the case for most works of mythography, where specifics of sexual encounters are to be found elsewhere. However, common motifs present in other accounts of rape also appear in stories concerning Ares' relationships, e.g. tropes like shape-shifting/the use of disguises, the victim being a huntress, secrecy, and the disposal of the concieved child, are to be found in the stories of Phylonome and Astyoche respectively:
Φυλονόμη Νυκτίμου καὶ Ἀρκαδίας θυγάτηρ ἐκυνήγει σὺν τῇ Ἀρτέμιδι: Ἄρης δ᾽ ἐν σχήματι ποιμένος ἔγκυον ἐποίησεν. ἡ δὲ τεκοῦσα διδύμους παῖδας καὶ φοβουμένη τὸν πατέρα ἔρριψεν εἰς τὸν Ἐρύμανθο
"Phylonome, the daughter of Nyktimos and Arkadia, was wont to hunt with Artemis; but Ares, in the guise of a shepherd, got her with child. She gave birth to twin children and, fearing her father, cast them into the [River] Erymanthos." (Pseudo-Plutarch, Greek and Roman Parallel Stories, 36)
οἳ δ᾽ Ἀσπληδόνα ναῖον ἰδ᾽ Ὀρχομενὸν Μινύειον, τῶν ἦρχ᾽ Ἀσκάλαφος καὶ Ἰάλμενος υἷες Ἄρηος οὓς τέκεν Ἀστυόχη δόμῳ Ἄκτορος Ἀζεΐδαο, παρθένος αἰδοίη ὑπερώϊον εἰσαναβᾶσα Ἄρηϊ κρατερῷ: ὃ δέ οἱ παρελέξατο λάθρῃ: τοῖς δὲ τριήκοντα γλαφυραὶ νέες ἐστιχόωντο.
"And they that dwelt in Aspledon and Orchomenus of the Minyae were led by Ascalaphus and Ialmenus, sons of Ares, whom, in the palace of Actor, son of Azeus, Astyoche, the honoured maiden, conceived of mighty Ares, when she had entered into her upper chamber; for he lay with her in secret" (Homer, Iliad 2. 512 ff)
In neither of these cases is a verb explicitly denoting rape used, though it is heavily implied by the context. The focus of the action is on the conception of sons, the nature of the interaction is secondary.
Other examples are found among the daughters of the river Asopos, who where (and here there's no confusion) ravished and kidnapped by different gods to different parts of the greek world, where they found local lines through children borne to their abductors and serve as eponyms. Surviving fragments from Corinna of Tanagra tell us:
"Asopos went to his haunts . . from you halls . . into woe . . Of these [nine] daughters Zeus, giver of good things, took his [Asopos'] child Aigina . . from her father's [house] . . while Korkyra and Salamis and lovely Euboia were stolen by father Poseidon, and Leto's son is in possession of Sinope and Thespia . . [and Tanagra was seized by Hermes] . . But to Asopos no one was able to make the matter clear, until . . [the seer Akraiphen reveals to him] 'And of your daughters father Zeus, king of all, has three; and Poseidon, ruler of the sea, married three; and Phoibos [Apollon] is master of the beds of two of them, and of one Hermes, good son of Maia. For so did the pair Eros and the Kypris persuade them, that they should go in secret to your house and take your nine daughters." (heavily fragmented papyrus. Corinna fr. 654)
"For your [Tanagra's] sake Hermes boxed against Ares." (Corinna fr. 666)
It seems that, similar to the myths of Beroe or Marpessa, the abducted maiden is fought over by two competing "suitors", and though we can infer that the outcome of the story is that Hermes gets to keep Tanagra, apparently by beating Ares in a boxing match, we don't actually know what happened or how it happened. In any case, Ares does mate with another daughter of Asopos, Harpina, who bears him Oinomaos according to some versions (Paus. 5.22.6; Stephanus Byzantium. Ethnica. A125.3; Diodorus Siculus 4. 73. 1). There is little reason to suppose that this encounter wasn't pictured as an abduction like the rest of her sisters.
The blatant statement that each of his affairs was envisioned as consensual is simply not true.
3. He was worshipped under the epithet Gynaikothoinas "feasted by women"
This was a local cult that existed in Tegea, the following reason is given:
"There is also an image of Ares in the marketplace of Tegea. Carved in relief on a slab it is called Gynaecothoenas. At the time of the Laconian war, when Charillus king of Lacedaemon made the first invasion, the women armed themselves and lay in ambush under the hill they call today Phylactris. When the armies met and the men on either side were performing many remarkable exploits, the women, they say, came on the scene and put the Lacedaemonians to flight. Marpessa, surnamed Choera, surpassed, they say, the other women in daring, while Charillus himself was one of the Spartan prisoners. The story goes on to say that he was set free without ransom, swore to the Tegeans that the Lacedaemonians would never again attack Tegea, and then broke his oath; that the women offered to Ares a sacrifice of victory on their own account without the men, and gave to the men no share in the meat of the victim. For this reason Ares got his surname." (Paus. 8.48.4-5)
As emphasised by Georgoudi in To Act, Not Submit: Women’s Attitudes in Situations of War in Ancient Greece (part of the highly recommendable collection of essays Women and War in Antiquity), "it is not necessary to see the operation of an invitation in the bestowal of the epithet Γυναικοθοίνας on Ares". The epithet is ambiguous, and can be translated both as "Host of the banquet of women" or "[He who is] invited to the banquet of women". In any case no act of divine intervention occurs, and the main reason for the women's act of devotion lies principally in recognising their decisive role in the routing of the Lakedaimonians. It's they who preside/participate in the feast of war, the men are excluded.
Also this a local epithet that isn't found anywhere else in Greece. As such it would be worth reminding that not every Ares is Gynaikothoinas, in the same way not every Zeus is Aithiopian, not every Demeter Erinys, and not every Artemis of Ephesos.
4. He was the patron god of the Amazons
He was considered progenitor of the Amazons because of their proverbial warlike nature and love of battle, the same reason he was associated with other "barbaric" tribes, like the Thracians or the Scythians. In this capacity he was also appointed as a suitable father/ancestor for other violent and savage characters who generally function as antagonists (e.g. Kyknos, Diomedes of Thrace, Tereos of Thrace, Oinomaos, Agrios and Oreios, Phlegyas, Lykos etc.). Also he was by no means the only god connected with the Amazons (they were in fact especially linked to Artemis, see Religious Cults Associated With the Amazons by Florence Mary Bennett, if only for the bibliography).
Similarly, Poseidon was considered patron and ancestor of the Phaiakians mainly because of their mastery over the art of seafaring (and was curiously also credited in genealogies as father to monsters and other disreputable figures).
On another note I have found no sources that claim he taught his amazon daughters how to fight, as I've seen often mentioned (though I admit I'd love to be proven wrong on that point).
5. Finally, the last reason Ares could never be portrayed as a protector of women is because of his divine assignation itself
The uncountable references to his love of bloodshed and man-slaying don't just stop short of the battlefield, but continue on to the conclusion and intended purpose of most waged wars in antiquity: the sacking of the city. The title Sacker of Cities as an epithet of Ares (though it is by no means exclusive to him) is encountered numerous times and in different variations (eg. τειχεσιπλήτης or πτολίπορθος), and the meaning behind the epithet is plain. Though it is hard to summarise without being reductionist, the sacking of a city entails the plundering of all its goods, the slaughtering of its men, and the sistematic raping and enslavement of the surviving women (to name only a small few of the literary references see The Iliad, The Trojan Women or The Women of Trachis). There is little need to emphasise that war as concieved of in ancient greece, especifically the brutal aspects of war Ares is most often associated with, directly entailed sexual violence against women as one of it's main concerns. The multiple references to Ares being an unloved or disliked deity are because of this, because war is horrifying (not because his daddy is a big old meany who hates him for no reason, Zeus makes very clear the motive for his contempt in the Iliad (5. 889-891): "Do not sit beside me and whine, you double-faced liar. To me you are most hateful of all gods who hold Olympos. Forever quarreling is dear to your heart, wars and battles.")
Ares was only the protector of women inasmuch as he could be averted or repelled (e.g. surviving apotropaic chants):
"There is no clash of brazen shields but our fight is with the war god, a war god ringed with the cries of men, a savage god who burns us; grant that he turn in racing course backward out of our country’s bounds, to the great palace of Amphitrite or where the waves of the thracian sea deny the stranger safe anchorage. Whatsoever escapes the night at last the light of day revisits; so smite him, Father Zeus, beneath your thunderbolt, for you are the lord of the lightning, the lightning that carries fire." (Shophocles, Oedipus Tyrannos, 190-202)
"And let no murderous havoc come upon the realm to ravage it, by arming Ares—foe to the dance and lute, parent of tears—and the shout of civil strife." (Aeschylus, Suppliant Women 678)
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All that being said, this is a post about Ares as conceptualized and attested in ancient sources, made specifically in response to condescending statements about how "uhmmm, actually, in greek mythology Ares was a super-feminist himbo who was worshipped as the protector of women and was hated by his family for no reason, you idiot". It is factually incorrect. HOWEVER, far be it from me to tell anyone how they have to interact with this deity. Be it your retellings, your headcannons or your own personal religious attachments and beliefs towards Ares, those are your own provinces and prerogatives, and not what was being discussed here at all (I personally love art where Ares and Aphrodite goof around, or retellings where he plays with his daughters, or headcannons that showcase his more noble sides, etc.)
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I've seen that other people on tumblr have made similar posts, the ones I've seen were by @deathlessathanasia and @en-theos . I have no idea how to link their posts, but they're really good so go check them out on their pages!
#Ares#greek mythology#greek myths#greek gods#this one ain't gonna be popular#another post that got out of hand#there is so much misinformation on tumblr#tumblr is not a valid source for anything ever#people on here make up the wildest shit and then act personally offended at the slightest rebuttal#I get that checking primary sources can be hard#but it's the only way to make sure you're not just repeating someone else's headcanons#it's happened to all of us#Alkippe#Alcippe#Phylonome#Astyoche#Tanagra#Harpina#Amazons#Ares Gynaikothoinas#Asopos#tagamemnon#hellenic deities#tw rape
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I think the two most obvious foils for Ludinus Da'leth across all of Critical Role are Essek and Keyleth, which is both fascinating given how different those two characters are from each other (Essek being a foil in terms of isolation, single-mindedness, harm in the name of ambition, knowledge, and other such wizard themes; Keyleth being a foil in terms of people who have lost something at a young age to the gods and bear resentment for it, political leadership, belief that the world belongs to mortalkind, and longevity) but also it's extremely funny that they both are the partners of Liam's character.
#i could write like a longer piece about it but that kind of sums it up#like. hm. how do i put it.#the thing about essek is like. he like ludinus made some IMMENSELY selfish and harmful choices#but the timeline was SHORT all things considered. ludinus didn't REALLY get going until hundreds of years post-calamity#and he expresses NO regret whereas the vibe with essek in 2x97 is that he's kind of hated himself ever since#and you know. maybe if someone had intervened with ludinus 400 years earlier he'd have done the same. but who would. does he have friends.#the thing about essek haters who aren't just angry shippers is that they all ascribe to ontological evil and yet don't ascribe it to ludinu#meanwhile keyleth is just like...the scope of her pain is somehow both smaller and larger#and yet she's able to see herself as part of a whole and not the center of the world#the fact that power and long life was much more naturally given or earned by her rather than seized is also i think part of it#but keyleth's speech this past episode in particular...it's a direct rebuttal of ludinus's dumb speech in 51#this can be your world without having to kill anyone if you're willing to work and grow and compromise and grieve#cr spoilers#critical role#ludinus da'leth#essek thelyss#keyleth
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motaz is completely justified in his anger against the icj's ruling. this is a man who has had to to not only firsthand see his friends and family get martyred, but also report on it to the whole world with a red target on his back--only for the ruling to never explicitly call for a permanent ceasefire. then he had to evacuate elsewhere for his safety, in effect leaving his homeland behind indefinitely. just as he stated in his live, world leaders not only don't stand with palestine, but with the preservation of humanity in general. genocide isn't something you tiptoe around just to appese israel. ceasefire now.
#and if i hear one more “you don't know enough about politics” rebuttal i will scream#you don't need to be a polsci major to condemn genocide. get real#gaza#israel#palestine
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i think L should've tried harder to piss light off. provoking light into slipping up would not only be hilarious i also think it would be extremely easy and effective. not saying you could get light to actually confess this way, but he would definitely make more dumb mistakes if, for example, L kept interrupting their homoerotic brain chess matches to insist that kira is actually matsuda because the butts match
#death note#rookposting#more ideas:#light tweets his detailed and reasoned thoughts on politics and law on his 122 follower twitter account#L uses his 1.4M follower acc to quote tweet him constantly with the word 'wrong' in all lowercase#L makes light watch detective pikachu and keeps going 'you should take notes light-kun i think you could learn a lot from that hamster'#(this one's anachronistic but it works on two levels because light is also irate that L is calling pikachu a hamster)#L keeps 'forgetting' light's name#L listens to light making an argument and stares at him for 0.4 seconds and then turns around like he never spoke#the taskforce gets a dog and L names the dog light. light (person) is now light 2#L keeps countering light's arguments with blatantly nonsensical rebuttals but interrupts him every time light tries to argue back#see L wouldn't do any of this because L is more concerned with playing their gayass game than he is with winning#but if for example L wanted to win instead of lose he should listen to my ideas about offering everyone a cup of coffee except light#because light should really take it easy on the caffeine it's starting to affect his complexion
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Furry >:]
no. NO. NO. I beg of thee, how can I refute this point? Everyone, who has ever gathered in front of my halls, trampled my turf, and called me these unprovable names, how, just HOW am I supposed to refute this point? Must I call upon the god(s) above to prove my point? Even if I could, they may not answer! Have you considered that they might be []?
You ruffians don't even have evidence to prove these accusations! They are baseless, meaningless, and do not deserve to see upon the glorious light of day! I daresay that even the darkness would not accept these baseless results you yet vehemently accuse me of. If you truly believe that I am of that nature, show me the evidence, otherwise, perish.
I call upon for you interesting times, my "friend". Farewell, you'll need it.
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literally not a soul asked but one of the aftg takes that I will die on is that Aaron and Neil do NOT canonically hate each other..they do have the capacity to be the enemies that everyone seems to want them to be and that's a fun dynamic but they do not actually hate each other in the books. they beefed for a while and that was rough but that shit got resolved. and I think the rest of their scenes after that were more than civil and honestly? from Neil's side at least, kind of wholesome
#if someone tries to bring up that cabin scene as a rebuttal I will scream#if you want to say anything you can say that Aaron hates Neil in the way he hates everyone#but even that feels weak#aftg#aaron minyard#neil josten#mine aftg
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Succinct and persuasive
#jennicatzies art-chive#hamilton musical#alexander hamilton#aaron burr#not necessarily ship art it's just. ham getting embarrassed bc for once he can't come up with rebuttals#but it could be interpreted as shippy too LMAO#hamburr
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i understand why people love the idea of anakin skywalker being on a righteous anti-slavery crusade. i get it. it feels like justice. it makes sense, you would think that a former slave would be! he says as a child in tpm that he wants to come back and free the slaves!
but sit down. look at me.
the one time anakin skywalker had the opportunity to really stand up and try to help an enslaved people--people that he knew at that--he did the opposite.
he became a slaver himself the moment he lead the 501st in the attack on the jedi temple knowing that they would never do so willingly. he then went on to serve a fascist empire for decades that made widespread use of the practice. he didn't bat an eye about either.
anakin skywalker simply does not give a shit as long as it serves his own desires.
he is not your anti-slavery king.
#merlyn's meta tag#dont mind me taking a swing at the hornet's nest before eleven o'clock am#sometimes you see a take three times in one morning and get consumed with the urge to submit a rebuttal
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Okay but you have no idea how much I want to see a crossover where Ruby has to deal with the standard ‘first-year philosophy student who just learned what nihilism is’-brand of anime villain who does the typical ‘the world is mean and bad’ cynicism shtick that generally sends your average friendly-optimist hero into an existential crisis…
…only for Ruby “Well that’s why we’re here. To make it better” Rose to just casually blow that shit off without a second thought and give said villain serious genre-whiplash.
Or better yet, give said villain an actual rebuttal deconstructing that viewpoint that they clearly were NOT expecting to deal with.
And yeah, yeah, the expected outcome might be for Ruby to reach out and empathize with the villain and induce some kind of redemption.
But I think it would be WAY more fun to see Ruby completely flip the script and just BRUTALLY deconstruct said villain’s whole cynical worldview just like said villain would typically do to anyone else. While perhaps also giving them a brutal ass-kicking.
Or, especially if this is a Post-Volume 9 Ruby, the villain does some mindreading-BS and is just utterly shocked at how much shit Ruby has been through and leaves his whole cynical worldview utterly and existentially BAFFLED and unhinged that all this didn’t turn her into a villain in a ‘Why are you not like me?!!!’ breakdown.
Basically, both Ruby’s and the show’s Defiant Optimism does not get nearly enough appreciation and I really want to see a more standard anime-villain get completely wrecked by it.
#rwby#rwby rambling#Ruby Rose#ruby came right out of the gate with the PERFECT rebuttal to the standard cynical anime villain shtick
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