#You know nothing Jon Snow

[artist-ellen]

Happy Holidays everybody ~ We’re back in ASOIAF redesigns

I finally decided to start sketching House of the Dragon fashion…. Only to realize I hadn’t ever gotten back around to drawing the men of ASoIAF. So here we go! Fingers crossed this challenge can teach me how to draw men… buckle up? There’s a reason I avoided the dudes the first time around… so many legs.

We’re starting all the way back in Winterfell with a young Jon Snow. I’m leaning more into his book description so he’s a little bit of a young beanpole, brown hair, dark grey eyes, long face. A little bit of an Eddard Stark mini me by accident. It’s ‘Summer’ still so he doesn’t have on a ton of outer layers, just the trusty wool layering reminiscent of what his sisters were wearing if you can remember that long ago.

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[celestie0]

hey you should def watch house of the dragon and game of thrones 🤞🏻

i have seen game of thrones!! i actually wanted to write a got inspired jjk fic sooooooooo bad n i think i will once i finish kickoff ahhaha. i haven’t see house of the dragon tho 😓 it’s on my list!

[wise-blue-cookies]

All jon snow time travel fics to dance of the dragon era has that one thing in common.

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Jon : " You'll should listen to Helaena more."

Helaena: " Promised Prince... Sword in the Darkness... White Wolf... The Twice Born... Snow Shroud..."

Jon * tripping, scrambling and almost defenestrating Otto from a very hightower*: "I have to leave"

[mandalorianchronicles]

Corporate would like you to find the difference between these two pictures...

[tell-them-the-north-remembers]

Those who get it get it, those who don't don't.

[avatarquake]

People called Asha 'adorkable' based off a scene on the trailer. Have you ever gone to a job interview, I wonder? In me, anxiety manifests as a stomach doing somersaults and tightened muscles. Was dressing a tree and turning a chicken like 10 times its size, 'adorkable'? I call it untrained magic user getting the feel of their magic, accidents will happen, it is natural.

'Wish' wasn't supposed to be a fast-paced with an all-out fight with the bad guy, that we either knew of from the first second, or was a twist villain, someone we didn't expect. It was supposed to be soft and quiet, because it was about finding that wishes and dreams is the most beautiful part of us.

'Wish' is the root, with the movies before it and after it, as the trunk and branches. It is the starting point of Disney's version of 'The Pixar Theory'.

[ceevee5]

[gioiaalbanoart]

Probably a mix 🤣

(Ocs glaring rn)

Are you a "I know their allergies, favorite holidays, favorite songs, birthday, etc. No none of this is in what said OC is in nor is it relevant to know" OC creator, or are you a "Yeah I mean... They probably have a birthday maybe idk..." OC creator ? Or a mix of both ?

[herlondonboy]

Jon Snow they could never make me like you.

[oananovicov]

"Ice , I see,and daggers in the dark. Blood frozen red and hard, and naked steel. It was very cold."

"It is always cold on the Wall."

"You think so?"

"I know so, my lady."

"Then you know nothing, Jon Snow, " she whispered."

ADWD- JON I

[thewatcher0nthewall]

Ygritte concept

[la-pheacienne]

After the avalanche of bad takes inspired by got and hotd I would just like to say that the point of asoiaf is not "feudal power corrupts" and it is not "no one can save Westeros because feudalism bad". I would like to remind you what the function of feudalism in the story actually is, as stated by GRRM:

The medieval setting has been the traditional background for epic Fantasy, even before Tolkien, and there are good reasons for that tradition. The sword has a romance to it that pistols and cannon lack, a powerful symbolic value that touches us on some primal level. Also, the contrasts so apparent in the Middle Ages are very striking -- the ideal of chivalry existed cheek by jowl with the awful brutality of war, great castles loomed over miserable hovels, serfs and princes rode the same roads, and the colorful pageantry of tournaments rose out of a brown and grey world of dung, dirt, and plague. The dramatic possibilities are so rich. ( Source)

Now his notorious statement about Aragorn's tax policy (as much as I vehemently dislike that statement concerning Tolkien, it is still very insightful for GRRM's work) :

Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Tolkien, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Lord of the Rings had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Tolkien can say that Aragorn became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Tolkien doesn’t ask the question: What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles? (Source)

Moral relativism right? Nihilism, pessimism, every symbol is doomed to fail, every effort for a better future is doomed to fail because the feudalist structure is inherently rotten. Should we even try then? What is the point in showing a ruler genuinely try? If every leader is doomed to fall victim to external opposing forces and/or corruption or other moral flaw, what is the point in trying? Let's see another statement by GRRM where he explains what asoiaf is actually about:

"In a very basic level winter is coming for all of us. I think that’s one of the things that art is concerned with: the awareness of our own mortality. “Valar morghulis” – “All men must die”. That shadow lies over our world and will until medical science gives us all immortality… but I don’t think it makes it necessarily a pessimistic world (...) the important thing is that love, compassion and empathy with other human beings is still possible. Laughter is still possible! Even laughter in the face of death… The struggle to make the world a better place… We have things like war, murder and rape… horrible things that still exist, but we don’t have to accept them, we can fight the good fight. The fight to eliminate those things.There is darkness in the world, but I don’t think we necessarily need to give way to despair". (Source)

The combination of these statements speaks for itself to someone who has read GRRM's work: the sword has a romance that pistols lack, the dramatic possibilities of the medieval setting are rich, ruling is hard, we can fight the good fight, we should not give way to despair. From that to "No one can save Westeros" the distance is huge and the endpoint is extremely deceptive and also deeply reactionary. If no one can save Westeros, then there is no point in trying to save Westeros. Characters that try to save Westeros, or Essos, or the Wildlings, or anything bigger than their own ass, are not morally superior to others that just benefit from the current status quo or passively tolerate/enable it, since no one can actually do shit and every effort is doomed to fail. Yet this goes directly against the point of asoiaf that can be summed up in the phrase: "ruling is hard". It is hard alright, but the thing is, someone has to do it. Whether that someone has been chosen by the people, or by the gods, or by destiny, or by circumstances, and regardless of the political system that allowed them to yield that power, the point is that someone has power ad hoc at any given time, and power equals responsibility. What do you do with it? How do you govern? How do you choose between two equally grievous alternatives? Who do you listen to? Who do you trust? How can you learn? What if everything you've been told was a lie? How do you move on from there? What if the promises you made contradict each other? What if you fail? How do you live with the guilt, how do you go on? How do you instigate a structural change? What if you try to do that and people die? What if you try to do that and it kills you? Was it worth it? How do you use the power you have? How do you fight the good fight? What makes a fight good?

"Feudalism bad" and "no one can save Westeros" are not just incredibly uninspired catchphrases, they are something much worse: a very nice way of avoiding to answer the real, hard, uncomfortable questions that are the driving force of asoiaf, and a very neat way to justify those who tolerate, enable or reinforce the status quo. Coincidentally, these questions remain the same in every single political system. They are universal. That's why this is a good, relevant, applicable story, that's why we give a fuck even if the context is foreign to us. So spare us the moralizing bullshit please, and thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

[avatarquake]

I pity the people who believe great actors who took part in movies like Harry Potter, or Lord of the Rings, have tarnished their legacy, and that they would be only remembered for these kinds of movies -done just for the money, not because they saw something in the role given to them, you sure do know why they took part in them, my dude, you see in the psyche of the actors- because woe the younger generations, who grew up watching these types of movies, who loved these actors through these roles, and haven't watched past movies, because either they are too young to care, or not the genre they'd enjoy, or simply haven't gotten around to do so yet.

If you think that great actors are only loved if you went through the whole of their filmography, and not because they played in that one movie, or series, or anything, that has been lovingly consumed, for years, by countless of fans, then you are the type of person who would call a young fan, a faker, because they weren't born in the '50s to catch the saga from its start.

And, by that logic, you too are a faker, since you've probably never met them. Where's your love towards those actors you claim have tarnished their legacy? Anyone can watch a movie. You want to feel above all else? You should have met them. Shook their hands. But you probably haven't, like the vast majority of the fans you probably scorn for loving an actor for that one role you hate. You entitled piece of flaming garbage.

EDIT 28/09/2024, 02:35: And who the fuck are you to determine which role an actor will be remembered for? You will remember them for the role that spoke to you, but you have no right to tell others this will be what the rest will hold on to, you turd.

[catofoldstones]

Lol

I have a steps tracking app and it has a character called Jon Snowflake and honestly that definitely does mean something, I just don’t know what.

[sherlokiness]

Jonsa as the last card

Not to sound delusional but I think jonsa is GRRM's trump card in the books. We were never meant to have them in the show. The author has got to have an ace up his sleeves, right? What convinces me of this is the changed dialogue between Arya and Ned during the 1st season. The book goes "You will marry a King..." to which Arya replies "No, that's Sansa" while the show's version was "You will marry a lord..." to which Arya says "No, that's not me."

Some say this was just a leftover hint from the og outline bc why would Ned say Arya will marry a King? There can only be one and Joffrey is already betrothed to Sansa. Well ofc I'd beg to differ. It'll be abandoned foreshadowing if one disregards Arya's response. Did you know that Abraham Daniel who adapted GRRM's graphic novel wanted to change what he deemed to be a throwaway line but GRRM refused bc it was a clue to suggest the endgame in ADoS?

There was one scene I had to rework because there's a particular line of dialog -- and you wouldn't know it to look at -- that's important in the last scene of "A Dream of Spring."

I have a meta about this but the link has been lost to time. 💀 So it's part of a dialog, inconspicuous, and should be before ACoK since only AGoT adaptation has been confirmed by that time.

The show had to rewrite it to make sense bc even so many readers found it perplexing but the comics had it exactly right.Look, it even has Arya winking perhaps as a nod to the audience.

"Not all," said Jaime. "Lord Eddard's daughters live. One has just been wed. The other …" Brienne, where are you? Have you found her? "… if the gods are good, she'll forget she was a Stark. She'll wed some burly blacksmith or fat-faced innkeep, fill his house with children, and never need to fear that some knight might come along to smash their heads against a wall."

I believe this is a nod by the author to make us think of the "No, that's Sansa" line bc here it's Arya who knows Gendry and Hotpie. If we take Jamie's line to be the opposite, can we infer that Sansa will never forget she's a Stark? Moreover,she will not marry a nobody and always need to fear her children will end up like Aegon- Rhaegar's heir.

If Arya's line comes true then the last scene will be of Sansa and Jon with their children. My ideal would be Sansa singing a lullaby to her baby with Jon by her side. It's a callback to the end of the first book's "music of dragons" where music refers to cries of newly hatched dragons. It also makes us think of Jon's memory of Sansa before his death.

I'm not saying the baby's lullaby is the song of ice and fire but...🫣🫣🫣 Baby+Song+Couple of a Stark and Targ