#Typhon DeLeon

[wainwrightjakobshammerlock]

I can't be the only one who feels... Weird about the fact that BL3 basically retcons Tannis's interest in Vault science being her own choice and instead gives the credit to Typhon, who allegedly inspired her. It feels lowkey sexist from a Doylist standpoint.

[empyreansentinel]

and we're back. borderlands text posts part five!

[comma-tose]

Borderlands really has a common theme of dad's doing something insanely stupid that they believe is for the benefit of their children, only for it to really screw up their kids lives.

Sure it doesn't have it in EVERY game but it's common enough for it to be a pattern.

You got the obvious one of Jack imprisoning Angel because she can't control her powers, with him believing it's the right thing to do while it very obviously isn't (especially once he started y'know using her as a battery), leading to her betraying him and sacrificing herself to help stop him.

Then you got the Calypso twins being kept on an isolated planet by Typhon DeLeon, because he believed it was the only way to keep them safe despite them feeling like they were being imprisoned, leading them to go full cult leader and go try to take what they believed was "rightfully theirs", which ultimately lead to their deaths.

And then you have Felix betraying Fiona and Sasha, stealing the ten million dollars from them, believing that it would get Hyperion and Vallory to lose interest in the girls and go after him instead, which ultimately lead to them being chased across Pandora by bounty hunters and putting them in life threatening danger.

Also all three of them die (Felix's death being dependent on the players choice), with their deaths at the very least being indirectly caused by their daughter, as an act of revenge for their mistreatment. Angel helping the Crimson Raiders leading to Jack's death, Tyreen killing Typhon with her powers, and Fiona being able to shoot Felix and let him explode along with the money.

...So what I'm saying is maybe it's time for some of the fathers in borderlands to get some mandatory parenting classes.

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[norathecobbler]

Crack theory

The Angel Jakobs theory but her mother was conceived during a three way between the Jakobs and Typhon, so she's a DeLeon.

Typhon DeLeon is good at two things: Having sex and being a terrible father

[pollsfromtheborderlands]

The short kings! Right bracket third seed.

[duckydusky]

for the record, I just know that if typhon was hot, you would not be talking this much shit about him.

[saltiresunshine]

Chapter 18 of vaulted is now up

Featuring wacky and concerning dreams, extreme foreshadowing and Bl1 Atlas doing their best to ruin someone's day, this is chapter 18 of my BL1 story which follows 5 vault hunters, the 4 canonical VHs and my original character through the events of borderlands 1 with some plot twists and surprise appearances along the way

[luxury-of-insanity]

Hear me out.

The problem with the story is that it seems so … cluttered at some points. Like they were written differently and patched together.

Yes, not everything is bad about the story, there are some good parts. Troy becoming stronger and raising against his sister, the discovery of Nekrotafeyo are just two examples.

However, it was ruined by so many things;

1. the way they executed the whole Ava-story. There is a reason why she was seen as a dumb brat who caused Maya's death for so long. Characters like Ava and Lilith seemed to be so self-unreflecting right after what happened. Yes, Maya's death probably would have happened without Ava being there, but the way they wrote the talk on Sanctuary III right after was just ... meh. The funeral scene they left out would have been so necessary and would have helped making Ava being seen less of an annoying brat but more like a lost child.

2. Lilith not having grown and not having learned from events that happened in BL2 and her own DLC. She stepped twice into gigantic trouble before, which almost killed her and others. And right at the beginning of BL3 she rather decides to throw hands with Tyreen while having the vault map (not that Ty needed the map anyways but it's more a symbolic character) than just leaving. They still could have been ambushed. But Lilith being so blind once again ...

3. Do what you will but I hate how they killed off Troy for the "girl endboss" theme. It would have made so much more sense if Troy was the one to surpass his sister, willingly or unwillingly, and I will not change my mind about that. Tyreen always belittled Troy for what he was and with acquiring Maya's power he was showing that he could survive without her and that he doesn't need her - but she needed him because he was the brain of the CoV, he was the spider sitting in the net and pulling all the strings.

4. Typhon deLeon. I get it when they wanted to make him a little less serious and everything, but his character was just awful. I get the whole "protection" story around the twins, yes, that was not the bad part. The bad part was his joking and unseriousness - and the way he saw his own children. Come on, I get it, you f*cked here, here and here but omg I don't care about that! And the way he reacted to Troy's death. This was his son, and not just some random vault monster you could kill!

5. Aurelia. Man, did they massacre my lady. She was reduced to a dumb., power-hungry b*tch who didn't care about anything but money. Yes, she was always leaned towards money but if you played the TPS and owned her as a playable character - she HATED Jack to the guts, just to pull off a Jack in the next game? UGH!

And that is the problem with the story of BL3. The few good parts, the few lights in the dark were so heavily overshadowed by all the bullsh*t they did ...

okay idc if anyone sees this i just need to spit it out people gotta stop shitting on the story of Borderlands 3 and actually just play the game without complaining because i personally think the story is still great and its so obnoxious not being able to find any positive videos that talk about it Like yes, i understand it definitely doesn't live up to the other games and it can be annoying how much everyone talks, but if you actually LISTEN there's so many cool tidbits Like how Tyreen and Angel are such direct parallels of each other, and how even sometimes Tyreen & Troy and Aurelia & Sir Hammerlock can be parallels Or how Mouthpiece introduces Tyreen as "the first sister" in regards to the Calypsos which can add further onto Troy trans headcanons and shit??? I genuinely adore this game and it has got to be my favourite batch of Vault Hunters thus far, and while some of the humor didn't age amazingly I still think it has its funny moments and getting to revisit some of my favourite characters is so fun and sillyy

[wainwrightjakobshammerlock]

Sometimes I am reminded there's unironic Typhon DeLeon enjoyers in this fanbase. Yes the story tries to portray him heroically but yknow theres . Things below that surface level

[kitsumidori]

I haven't drawn The Oracle in awhile so here's them in the process of turning a malevolent soul (Typhon DeLeon) into a Husk

As soon as Typhon appeared in The Valley, The Oracle took no time and tracked him down. Typhon pleaded saying he didn't do anything awful and that he was a good guy, a well respected man, loves his wife and would never hurt a fly.

The Oracle, who is very well aware of his actions and how he really treated his late wife and his children and the fact that he is nothing but a lying con man, wasn't swayed............

[angeltannis]

...was Gearbox's goal with this comic to make Amara look like as much of an asshole as possible lmao

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[uglyabominationinthusiast]

Is there a name for a character who is the most ugly mother fucker you have ever seen but ends up being one of the most charming Mf'ers ever solely because they are a ugly, disgusting guy, also sometimes has a funny accent.

My proposition is "the devito"

[grouchythefish]

I know this is an old point and maybe a small thing to complain about but oh my GOD it pisses me off the way 3 and subsequent borderlands installments just completely retconned how RARE vaults are to be like "actually there are loads of vaults and people have been opening them for ages, there's actually a whole industry about it" ffffuuuccckkkk offffff like half the people in 1 don't even believe vaults are real but now you wanna tell me Typhon Deleon was opening them on planets other than Pandora before any of these people were even born?

[comma-tose]

Something I noticed that I REALLY don't like is just how much current borderlands seems to be trying to diminish Rhys and Fiona's personalities and achievements.

It started out with Rhys in Borderlands 3, where Vaughn implied he was fake and that they haven't spoken in years for some reason??? Then it happened again in New Tales, where Rhys was written as incompetent, and an awful boss that fires his employees for having ONE bad idea.

It also essentially calls him a warmonger that's focused entirely on profits, and has no moral compass beyond "the almighty dollar". Going as far as to explicitly state that that is literally Atlas's motto.

Aside from all that it also says that Atlas is essentially failing and that Rhys has absolutely no idea what he's doing, which is especially weird considering how in Borderlands 3 it's stated that Promethea is finally starting to do well for itself again, and through Echo logs you hear that even Marcus is impressed with how well Rhys is doing.

So for Rhys we have him losing connection with his best friend and being called an idiot, fake, being mischaracterised as a terrible person that apparently learnt nothing and has regressed as a person to a borderline unrecognisable state.

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And now we get to Fiona. Since borderlands 3 treats the female protagonist of Tales as if she just doesn't exist, Fiona's story continues in Debt or Alive so...

SPOILER WARNING FOR DEBT OR ALIVE.

Not only is Fiona characterised VERY strangely in the book but they also just give Sasha credit for some of what Fiona does, and Fiona alone tends to be the target of blame in the book. Oh and she gets compared to Handsome Jack for good measure.

To start off with, Fiona doesn't even get her wish from the Vault of the Traveller. She gives it to Sasha, and Sasha wishes for a rare Vaultlander figurine of Typhon DeLeon which is destroyed a couple of chapters later. So not only does Fiona not even get to use her wish but the product of the wish gets destroyed anyway so it's entirely pointless.

Fiona also just decides to not be a vault hunter. That conversation she can have with Rhys SECONDS before this happens, about how it suits her, about how she's sad the adventure is over? It's just ignored. She immediately gives it up because she doesn't want Sasha vault hunting and getting put in danger again. Sure she still likes vault hunting but it is immediately given up. (I could write a whole other post about why this bugs me and I probably will).

Fiona has flaws that are addressed in the books, as they should be, all characters have to have flaws, but she is the only one out of the sisters to have flaws addressed. Sasha's are treated as if they don't exist, even when they're very apparent. Fiona learns to not be overprotective, and that she can't stop Sasha from doing things she wants to BUT Sasha doesn't learn anything. She does impulsive things that endanger both her and Fiona, and her risking their safety for fun or on a whim is just never mentioned. (Again something else I'll definitely talk about in another post).

Fiona is also consistently the one who comes up with the plans in the book, while Sasha is either not doing anything or suggesting they take the easy way out. Fiona is the one to start removing the debt cuffs from people while Sasha stands there bewildered, asking what she's doing. Fiona is the one to come up with the plan to scam the billionaires so that they can use the money to free everyone from debt while Sasha suggests just funding Gaige's revenge scheme (and assumedly just abandoning the people in debt??). And Fiona is the one to figure out how to get into Holloway's panic room and save everyone.

Fiona having her moments to shine would be great if they consistently didn't end with her being called an idiot, getting badly hurt, failing, or at one point being compared to Handsome Jack of all people. (Additional point: Sasha doesn't even defend her when she's compared to Jack, which is weird and very out of character.)

This might be petty but the book also gives credit to Sasha for Fiona surviving Bossanova's murder rally in Tales. Which is really weird considering Sasha and Fiona were separated during the entirety of that event. So instead of mentioning a time where Sasha actually helped save Fiona, like in the bio-dome when she was caught by Finch and Kroger, I guess they're actively retconning an event to give Sasha the credit. For some reason.

Fiona also has to confront Sasha about how she's treating Rhys, but then like a chapter later she literally apologises for all that, despite having every right to call Sasha out for that. So again Sasha's flaws are not being recognised as actual flaws and instead it's Fiona who's somehow in the wrong and Sasha learns nothing. Sure by the end of the book she considers Rhys her boyfriend but she is never the one to tell him. Fiona is, because Sasha just doesn't bother to, because it never treats her as someone who has to grow as a person. Sasha is usually either just used as a plot device to progress things or just doing almost nothing while being given credit, instead of being developed like a proper character. I'd call her a shell of what Tales Sasha was but even that feels too generous.

I used to really want to see the Tales characters in other borderlands media, but at this point I just dread it. Because why would I want to see my favourite characters being wildly mischaracterised and mistreated by the franchise?