#Tvd hypocrisy

[anotherlibrocubicularist]

TVD hypocrisy #2

Damon: compels Caroline's fear of him being a vampire away to have her not react negatively to him feeding from her and having sex with her

Katherine: compels Stefan's fear of her being a vampire away to have him not react negatively to her feeding from him and having sex with him

Fans: IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE SHE LOVES HIM

[hacked-wtsdz]

The horror of vampirism: Elena Gilbert

Grief Lessons: Four plays by Euripides — Anne Carson

The Vampire Diaries: s3//ep22

A Barbie Dream House But All the Dolls Are Kitchen Knives — Cassandra de Alba

The Vampire Diaries: s4//ep14

The Vampire Diaries: s4//ep21

Unburnable the Cold is Flooding Our Lives — Kaveh Akbar

The Vampire Diaries: s4//ep22

The Vampire Diaries: s4//ep23

[book-tease]

esther is an a absolute awful person and mother, however. she’s also hot as fuck

[klonnieshippersclub]

Don’t you think Bonnie and Marcel would be a badass duo? Like when she’s with Klaus. She’d have to beat his ass for what he did to the witches though.

Yeah, I have to agree with this Boncel would be a fun duo. I could see them calling each other out on their own hypocrisies. Admiring each other for how loyal they are to other people. Bonnie would snap on him for deeming other witches to servitude. Bonnie LOVED meeting other witches (Lucy, Liv and Nora) she’d be elated to finally be able to connect with other women or men that are like her. Or meet other vampires that aren’t so Salvatore-type. Bonnie was friends with several vampires don’t see why she wouldn’t take a liking to Marcel after she got to know him. In a Klonnie sense of things Marcel would find it ironic was almost killed and then saved by a self-taught Bennett witch. I believe Bonnie would’ve sided with Klaus on his thoughts of Marcel and Rebekah’s relationship.

Kat was open to appearing on The Originals in the past but changed her mind after TVD ended. We all know why.

You didn’t ask this part but I do want to say I do find it strange some people think Bonnie going to NOLA is a good idea only if she remains in the “Anti-Mikaelson bubble” (Davina, Vincent, Marcel etc) circle not interacting with anyone else. It’s okay if Bonnie shows up to play the savior but not okay if she hypothetically decided to talk to the Mikaelson’s for whatever reason. Bonnie does canonically know the Mikaelson’s and her bloodline through Ayana did have a past with them. It’s always “I love Bonnie,” until it’s time to think out the box for Bonnie. Everyone in the anti-Mikaelson group ends up tied to a Mikaelson permanently anyways. So I don’t get what’s the excuse for why Bonnie couldn’t make connections. Vincent has a child with Freelin, Marcel does end up with Rebekah and same for Kol and Davina.

That’s all I’m going to say there.

[landonkirbyappreciation]

Can someone please explain the Landon hate to me, because it ranges from "he's not supernatural enough for Legacies" to "He's not good enough for Hope but Lizzie/Rafael/Josie is" to "He whines about being a foster kid and is another Matt Donovan".

Can I get some clarity because these "issues" I listed are mostly writer choices in the end.

I’ll never understand the Landon hate, people have had the most ridiculous and flimsy reasons for hating him for years. And have always attacked him for the tiniest of things, taking stuff out of context and blowing it out of proportion.

I’m not sure how being a phoenix isn’t supernatural enough, even more so when tvd had references to phoenixes with the Rayna Cruz storyline? I think Landon fits in the universe pretty well. And it’s wild to me how people will think Landon isn’t good enough for Hope but think Lizzie and Josie are after how badly they treated her. They’ll attack Landon for lying a few times at the start of the show (ignoring that he apologized multiple times and stayed honest afterwards) but Josie lying about Hope and causing problems between her and Lizzie for years is fine. They’ll attack Landon for being jealous in 1x14 but Josie having major jealousy issues in season 2 is fine. They’ll attack Landon for “abandoning” Hope when he needed some time for himself after finding out she’d been lying to him, but Lizzie and Josie actually abandoning Hope by not being there for her when she was grieving is fine. Not to mention all the other things the twins did to Hope, bullying her, excluding her, trying to erase her existence, trying to kill her, etc. but Landon is the one who isn’t good enough for her.

And of course when other characters like Hope or the twins are affected by/talk about their trauma then it’s very important and should be treated with sensitivity. But when Landon is affected and talks about his trauma from growing up in the foster system then it doesn’t matter and he’s whiny. It’s really messed up and there’s a whole lot of hypocrisy. And I still don’t get the comparisons to Matt. I think their hatred for both characters is what’s actually comparable and they just wanna compare two characters they hate idk.

But yeah, sorry I can’t provide clarity because their hatred for Landon makes no sense. I don’t see the problem with those writing choices antis get so worked up about, they just grasp for any excuse to hate Landon.

[zalrb]

I looovvee your stories and fanfics

The guess who’s coming to dinner one might be my fav lately because I’ve just been binging it nonstop

I do still like stelena but the larger part of me feels like I’m on Caroline’s side - like I think I’d be angry like her if I was in that situation and I kinda want Bonnie to be on her side too and I still loathe Elena for all she did and how she did it but I love me stelena

Hi, anon, thank you. Yes, for the Heartbreak Series, I definitely wanted the entire situation to be complicated and messy. Like, anons had wanted me to write a fic where Stefan and Elena cheated for a long time and I had refused to do it for years because I couldn't find a reason why Stefan and Elena would cheat and I didn't know how I'd go about it so I was like, until I figure out how to do it in a way that I think makes sense for the characters, I'm not going to write it and I ended up deciding on writing something where it's not a fairy tale even though it's a happy ending for Stelena. Like, I wanted to express that the situation really did feel inevitable for Stefan and Elena, like they were always, always going to find their way back to each other and deep down everyone around them knew it was an inevitability because how could they not but just because they're meant to be together doesn't mean people don't get hurt so Caroline gets hurt and she isn't graciously accepting of everything because I hated when TVD did that. You can't just go between brothers, you can't just go between friends, you can't just be engaged to one of your high school students and friends of your surrogate daughter, you can't just get involved with a woman who has children and walk in and out of their lives, you can't just sleep with the man who murdered your ex boyfriend's mother, you can't just be with the man who terrorized your entire friend circle, so I was like, Stefan and Elena can't just cheat, they need to face the results of their actions. At the same time, I wanted to point out Caroline's issues as well which is why Alaric is like, well I mean you left me for Stefan because you weren't happy so he's leaving you for Elena because he wasn't happy, that sucks but you should understand that feeling, Elena being like so, what did you feel when you slept with Klaus even though he killed Tyler's mother, Bonnie (and by extension Jeremy's) sort of neutral outlook on the whole thing and not choosing a side like you wanted is to showcase that Caroline married Stefan who killed Enzo (obviously there were extenuating circumstances) and everyone kind of just expected Bonnie to get over it or to deal with it and in the show, she does, she makes peace, so she and Jeremy are both like I mean, Bonnie has put up with a lot of your shit, you can't put up with some of this? Why do you get to drag out your pain and she doesn't?

Basically, my point is that these characters all make morally ambiguous or downright shitty decisions in the show that SHOULD impact each other way more than they do so it was fun to play with the fact that Stefan and Elena did something shitty in the name of their transcendental love but what everyone's reactions to that reveal about their hypocrisies.

[lady-corrine]

The hypocrisy of some parts of the TVD fandom never ceases to surprise me. Granted, maybe some were not here since the show aired on TV and only got into the fandom after, but for those who go "Why is Bonnie so hyped, she was always loved, nobody hates on her"...

Bonnie is loved now. But for as long as the show aired on TV, Delena shippers were absolutely vile towards her, terrified that at one point the writers might go the books route for her and Damon.

(As if those racists writers would ever, but we move.)

It was only AFTER Elena and Damon fans got their endgame that they stopped spewing the most disgusting things at Bonnie's character and at Kat herself.

Now it's mostly book Bonnie that gets the most hate because Damon's in love with her.

[cancerian-woman]

being a Bonnie fan is so nice. Our fandom is so small composed to all of tvd. Our girl was often and is discarded by the fandom and so are we so we really get to be secluded to ourselves and left out of fandom drama. (Most of the time.)

We really only get active after other fans come and bother us. With their false hypocrisies and criticisms or racism. There’s content for each ship even if someone doesn’t multi-ship and I just really appreciate us.

[thepromisethatlovecouldbeeternal]

i did it, i unjoined the tvd subreddit

I can't with the hypocrisy. I was going to write a comment about how hypocritical they were but no. That's just energy-wasting on my part.

[anotherlibrocubicularist]

TVD hypocrisy #1

People in support of Elena's and Jeremy's plan to kill Kol and his entire sireline to complete the hunter's mark: Jeremy, Elena, Damon, Stefan, Caroline, Bonnie, Alaric, Tyler, Matt, Jenna from the grave,...

People getting flak for it from the fandom: Elena

[francesderwent]

The fact that Damon gets so much shit from the tvd fandom for being into his brother's girl is insane. Stefan hooked up with Katherine after Damon did and Damon even expressed at the beginning that if Stefan wasn't going to chase her he would. Stefan was amused when he commented to Katherine how sad Damon looked about him dancing with her and even attempted to kiss her in front of Damon. The fandom never brings this up about Stefan. Stefan gets away with a lot and even though I try not to hate him his fans are hateful and hypocritical.

what's interesting, anon, is that of the moments you mention of Stefan being sketch as hell, the vast majority of them are in season one (with I think one towards the very beginning of season two?). Damon is arguably a villain for most of season one, but still, that is the period where the brothers' relationship is allowed to stray the most from the black-and-white caricature! season one gives us a very complex picture of Stefan and Damon: Damon does bad stuff and Stefan does good stuff--but Damon has a handle on vampirism and Stefan can't control himself. Damon will throw anyone under the bus, hurt anyone, burn any bridge if it fits into his master plan and gets him what he wants--but Stefan sometimes can't do what needs to be done because he's too busy hand-wringing. Damon pretends to be friendly and then accidentally makes real friends of all his enemies--Stefan pretends to want to "be brothers again" even though he wants nothing more than to never see Damon again. and of course: Stefan forced Damon into vampirism, and all of Damon's vindictiveness is masking the wound of the humanity he didn't, in the end, choose to give up.

and I wasn't really a part of the fandom, ever, didn't watch the show until it was done airing, so I don't know if half the fandom was always incapable of seeing that complexity and admitting Stefan's shadowier side. but what's fascinating to me is that after a while, the show itself becomes incapable of seeing the complexity. season 4 and after, especially, all the nuance leaks out of the Salvatore relationship. and I didn't hate Stefan in the first couple seasons! but I do kind of hate him in season 4, while he and Caroline are acting like he's never done a thing wrong in his unlife and Damon is evil incarnate for *checks notes* dancing with Elena at a party??

I don't know if the fandom retrospectively applies the later seasons' view of Stefan to the whole show, or if the show eventually just adopted the fandom's view of Stefan, but it sucks that the Salvatore hypocrisy gets enshrined in the show, especially because any discussion of the "brother's girl, and all" issue in season four should have been much more nuanced, not less. because in season four we know that Elena met Damon first! she met him first and that changed everything!!

[hyperactivewhore]

Exactly this! Caroline was the one being a complete and utter bitch without reason and her only reason was "Elena is always the one everyone picks". Like ofc she is, she isn't the one being fucking mean 💀

Don't even get me started with the way her fans cry about how Bonnie "wasn't there" for Caroline once she turned. She had every single reason not to be

I still maintain that that in s1, Caroline was the one treating Bonnie like shit and Bonnie was just not taking it.

[do-you-think-im-spoopy]

Aelin and the Fandoms treatment of Chaol is Exactly like Elena and the tvds treatment of Stefan. Everyone can make mistakes but them. Everyone can be forgiven but them.

The hypocrisy is astounding! And yet no one will admit they're wrong. Wildddd. Selective reading. Willfull ignorance.

[nawcelest]

If you want fanfic with the level of specificity that you have described, you should probably try writing it yourself.

TVD ran from 2009-2017 and if nobody in the bonnie bennett fandom has met your fanfic criteria at this point in time — THE YEAR OF OUR LORD 2023, SIX YEARS AFTER THE SHOW ENDED — they most likely won't start now, especially if you go around accusing them of being fake fans 🙄

Stop trying to shame people for liking what they like just because it's different from what you prefer. At the end of the day, Bonnie fans are all on the same side of wanting our girl to step into her own, find happiness and love with a partner who is deserving of her.

The issue isn't nor has ever been about fanfics not meeting my expectations or who is shipped with who or etc. The issue has always been the hypocrisy that certain "Bonnie Fans" exhibit but rarely to never gets called out on. I have seen fans complain about Bonnie being used as a witch on call for the Mystic Falls gang and how it was wrong and Bonnie shouldn't be a witch on call but then in the same breathe talk about how she should have gone to New Orleans and been an on call witch for the Mikaelsons and how it was racist she wasn't. They also make comments about her being a slave because she uses her power to save her friends but when you point out Davina and Freya, two white witches, play the same role those characters are never associated with the term slave but black witches are by the fandom. Mind you the people calling the black witches magical negros and slaves are pro POC or at least that is what they claim. Mind you those people don't use terms like magical hunky or slave for the white witches, just the black ones despite both playing the same role. These fans talk about the mistreatment of black characters by the writers, which to an extent yes Black characters were mistreated, but then go on to further degrade those black characters by using slurs under the guise of being supportive of them.

As far as the fake Bonnie fans comment they are absolutely fake Bonnie fans. Why? Because they claim they hate her writing, hating her the first 5 seasons because she was judgmental, say she was wrong for seeking revenge on Kai, say her clothes were ugly and so was her hair but then say they liked the character. If you don't like the writing of a character then you don't like the character. How often do you see those fans talk about things they liked about Bonnie writing? No just the superficial "I love her character" "She is beautiful" "She had great chemistry with Damon or other white toxic male". Rarely to never have I seen this from those fans.

Now I don't mind fans saying certain storylines could have been slightly improved. However when you want to rewrite the entire character you could never have been a fan of the character to begin with. If you want to get rid of a fundamental trait of Bonnie Bennett then she was never your favorite character.

Also not all Bonnie fans are on the same side. You can't claim she deserved better but then put her with Kai or Klaus and not address or downplay the trauma she experienced because of them. You also can't say the relationship makes sense but ignore the horrible crap they did to her and all the other reasons it doesn't.

Once again I want to point out I don't care who anyone ships but if you make statements like "Bonnie deserved better and the writers were racist for not putting her and Kai/Klaus/Damon/Etc. together" I am going to address why it wasn't racist to not have Bonnie date those men and how dating those men is not giving Bonnie deserved better. For those people who ship Bonkai, Bamon, Klonnie, etc. but don't make such claims and acknowledge the horrible things those men did to Bonnie, I have no ill will towards those people.

As far as not writing my own fanfiction. I have made it clear I am not a fanfic writer or even heavy reader. Nor have I claimed I am a better fanfic writer than others. My post have been addressing the hypocrisy of certain Bonnie fans and fanfic writers. Just as those fans call out the flaws of Julie plec work I have the right to call out the flaws in their work especially when they claim they are better writers.

I have way more I want to say and will in the upcoming weeks but my issue with certain Bonnie fans goes deeper than rather Bonnie is shipped with a toxic white male. It is how those fans treated Bonnie for most the series and how under the guise of defending her the degrade and belittle the character. It is backhanded compliments of "I like the character but her storylines sucked and her outfits were ugly". It is also how she gets thrown under the bus by those fans when it comes time to hold thier fav white character accountable. Its the "Oh I hated Bonnie for not undoing the gilbert device and almost causing Stefan and Damon to die. She was annoying until Season 6" or the "Bonnie was wrong for trying to hurt Kai and she is to blame for everything he did". These are the comments those fans make when you dig deeper and have deeper conversations with them.

It is even deeper than the show or Bonnie Bennett but the treatment of POC by fans across multiple fandoms especially fantasy ones. It is how those fans degrade the character for most of the series but then want to jump on the bandwagon of mistreatment of POC characters towards the end and they do it with back handed compliments. Those fans claim the character was boring, their storylines sucked and how they were dressed ugly but supposedly are pro POC characters. Also usually when they jump on the bandwagon it isn't because they cared about the mistreatment of the character of color but more so because they know calling a writer racist holds more weight then whining about your favorite white ship not getting enough screentime or their happy ending. So they use the racism agenda to tarnish a writers career while simultaneously being racist themselves not actually caring about racism.

[beatriceeagle]

I was wondering - who are your top 5 TV characters right now? Do you have any TV show recommendations for stuff you've watched recently? I'm in something of a TV rut and trying to coax myself out. Thank you!

Oh man!

My top 5 TV characters may be a little different than they were last time I thought about this. I would have to say currently it's Julia Wicker (The Magicians), Donna Noble (Doctor Who), Britta Perry (Community), Ro Laren (Star Trek: TNG) and... Zuko, maybe? Julian Bashir? That fifth slot is so hard to pin down.

Unfortunately I've also been in a bit of a TV rut lately, but I can come up with a few shows from the past few years that I've really enjoyed.

Severance: I think everyone in the world has recommended this, but it's so unbelievably good, while also being extremely funny and watchable. Trippy near-future sci-fi starring Adam Scott. Season one is only 9 episodes, so it's not a big commitment. (Apple TV+)

Yellowjackets: Very fucked up, so don't watch unless you're cool with a lot of violence and cannibalism. Digs into trauma and the complexities of teen girl friendship, but is also just incredibly pulpy and weird. Stars Melanie Lynskey, Christina Ricci, Juliette Lewis, and Tawny Cypress. Season two currently airing. (Paramount+/Showtime)

Midnight Mass: An eight-episode miniseries from the same team that made The Haunting of Hill House. Very contemplative, emotional horror. Themes of religion, hypocrisy, and mortality. The central conceit of this one is so cool to figure out in real-time that I'm not gonna say too much more, but this is legitimately my favorite thing that Netflix has ever produced. (Netflix)

The Bastard Son & The Devil Himself: Already canceled, but the first season wraps up reasonably well. Urban fantasy about warring witch societies, with some cool ideas and very likeable actors. More-or-less canonical polyamorous relationship at the center. (Netflix)

Assorted Other Not-Necessarily-Recent Shows: Gortimer Gibbon's Life on Normal Street (astonishingly good live-action kids show on Amazon Prime, two seasons); Legacies (final show in the TVD-verse, similar to Buffy the Vampire Slayer in tone and execution, four seasons); Cobra Kai (intentionally over-the-top follow-up series to the already over-the-top Karate Kid movies, ongoing); 9-1-1 (watch if you enjoy the idea of a disaster movie every fifth episode followed by four Lifetime movies, ongoing); Looking for Alaska (very good miniseries adaptation of the book on Hulu); American Vandal (extremely funny and well-made true crime parody, two seasons); ER (it lasted a million seasons and covered every conceivable tone, and the first seven seasons are all-time great TV); Tangled The Series/Rapunzel's Tangled Adventure (follow-up series to Tangled that I can only describe as "Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt for kids," three seasons); Farscape (weird brilliant sci-fi that everyone should give a shot at least once, four seasons).

[scullys]

Yeah that hypocrisy when it comes to which character people want to criticize when it comes to consent has always bothered me with TVD. Like I could write an essay with multiple examples about it with Stefan himself let alone multiple characters and writing about Stefan alone wouldn't fit this ask. For instance at least one of the compelled women stripped down to corsets in his home had bloody bites on her breasts which I noticed in this picture. And no his humanity wasn't off:

https://twitter.com/sarahwclkers/status/1081705723426308096?t=LWEcvg2aa5L5BALeRc3xnQ&s=19

thing is both brothers have technically raped women because the women were compelled therefore unable to consent. it's only with stefan that we're supposed to look past it just because that's how it's written. he's the good brother and damon is the bad brother and that's it. it could be commentary on a lot of things but both the writers and the viewers just took that shit at face value and went with it, it's just so obnoxious