#Tragic Villain

[endress-knight-the-drokain]

Reading the Book of Bill completely repaints all of his behavior as inherently self destructive. This is a character who believes they have done something unforgivable and has thus become a villain from now to the end of time. He keeps doing the same horrible thing over and over again so that Euclidia gives him less guilt. All that manipulation, all the destruction, that was what bill decided he was meant to do until someone put him in a box. His hedonism is just the cherry on top of it all. It may seem like he loves nothing more than personal pleasure as some form to drown out his guilt but there is an extra layer under that. A layer doing something toxic you know is hurting you but you feel you deserve it.

[izunias-meme-hole]

The Shredder Appreciation Post

[ultraericthered]

Oswald Cobblepot/The Penguin (Gotham) Appreciation Post

Easily one of my top favorite incarnations of this character ever. Robin Lord Taylor, you will always be famous.

[maybe-im-dark]

🐺 Victor Creed in X-Men Origins: Wolverine: The Beast Who Refuses to Be Broken 🐺

Alright, y'all, it’s time to talk about one of the most complex, raw, and tragically misunderstood characters in the X-Men universe: Victor Creed, aka Sabretooth, in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. This man is not just the “bad guy” or the “savage brother.” He’s a walking, talking embodiment of what it means to embrace the animal within, to survive by any means necessary, and to reject the very idea of being human. Let's get into it because this man is more than claws and fangs—he's the manifestation of what happens when you choose to be a monster to protect yourself from the world. 🧵✨

1. Victor’s Mutation: The Best Thing That Ever Happened to Him

Victor’s feral mutation didn’t just emerge—it saved him. As a child, he grew up in an environment of violence, abuse, and fear, with his father Thomas Logan being the embodiment of that brutality. And when those claws and fangs finally emerged? It wasn’t just a mutation—it was freedom. It was power. For the first time in his life, Victor had the means to defend himself, to fight back, to be something other than a victim.

His mutation wasn’t just a gift—it was a lifeline. It became a part of his identity, a source of strength that allowed him to confront his abuser and say, “You don’t own me anymore.” Can you imagine how liberating that must have felt? For a boy who was always afraid to suddenly have the power to defend himself? It’s no wonder he embraced it so completely. It wasn’t just power; it was survival. It was proof that he could never be broken again.

Key Point: Victor’s claws and fangs were more than just weapons—they were his armor, his shield against a world that had always hurt him. They were the only thing standing between him and a life of endless pain.

2. “Become Like Me, Brother” – The Call to Embrace the Beast

Victor wants Logan to give in to the animal inside because, for him, it’s the only way to survive. He sees Logan struggling, fighting against his primal urges, trying so hard to be “good,” to be human. And to Victor, that’s weakness. Because the moment you start to care, the moment you try to be anything other than a beast, you make yourself vulnerable. And Victor? He never wants to feel vulnerable again.

To him, the animal is freedom. It’s power. It’s the ability to take what you want, to protect yourself, to never be at the mercy of anyone or anything. He genuinely believes that if Logan would just let go—if he’d stop fighting and give in to the rage, the hunger, the feral instinct—then he’d be unstoppable. They’d be unstoppable. Brothers in blood and in the wild, untamed by society’s rules.

But what Victor doesn’t understand is that Logan’s fight to remain human is exactly what makes him strong. It’s not about denying the beast; it’s about finding the balance. And that’s something Victor can never accept because, deep down, he’s terrified of what it means to be human.

Key Point: Victor’s desperation for Logan to join him isn’t just about wanting a partner in crime—it’s about validating his own choices. If Logan gives in, then Victor doesn’t have to face the fact that maybe, just maybe, he didn’t have to become a monster.

3. “Being a Man Means Being Vulnerable” – Victor’s Fear of Humanity

Victor’s biggest fear isn’t death or pain—it’s being human. Because being human means owning up to your actions, facing the consequences, and acknowledging the pain you’ve caused. It means caring about people, letting them in, and risking the possibility that they might hurt you. And that’s something Victor can’t handle.

He’s spent his entire life building this wall of savagery, violence, and primal instinct to protect himself from ever feeling weak, scared, or helpless again. In his mind, being a man means accepting that you’re not all-powerful, that you’re capable of making mistakes, of feeling pain, of being hurt. And Victor would rather die than let himself be that vulnerable again.

So he embraces the beast, the monster, because it’s easier to be something people fear than something people can hurt. And that’s why he’s so desperate to make Logan see things his way. He doesn’t want to be alone in his darkness. He doesn’t want to face the fact that he’s been running from himself for so long that he’s forgotten what it means to be anything other than a monster.

Key Point: Victor’s fear isn’t of being beaten—it’s of being seen. Of having to confront the scared, angry boy who still lives inside him, the one who learned to bare his fangs because it was the only way to survive.

4. The Tragedy of Victor Creed: The Man Who Chose the Monster

Victor Creed isn’t just a villain—he’s a tragic figure. He’s a man who believed that power was the only way to protect himself, that embracing the beast was the only way to be strong. And in doing so, he’s lost everything that made him human. He’s pushed away the one person who could truly understand him, all because he’s terrified of what it means to care, to feel, to be vulnerable.

He doesn’t hate Logan—he envies him. He envies the fact that Logan still tries to be good, still fights to be more than just his claws and fangs. And that’s why Victor pushes him, taunts him, tries to drag him down into the darkness. Because if Logan can hold onto his humanity, then what excuse does Victor have for letting go of his?

Key Point: Victor’s journey is the ultimate cautionary tale about what happens when you let fear, pain, and anger define you. He chose to be the monster because it was easier than facing the man in the mirror.

The Bottom Line: Victor Creed is the Animal Who Refused to Be Tamed

Victor isn’t just feral—he’s the embodiment of what happens when you stop fighting against the darkness inside you and let it consume you. He’s a reminder that sometimes, being a monster feels safer than being human. But at what cost? In rejecting his humanity, Victor has isolated himself, condemned himself to a life of loneliness, rage, and endless bloodshed.

And that’s the tragedy of Victor Creed. He’s not evil because he wants to be—he’s evil because it’s the only way he knows how to survive. And until he’s ready to face the fear and pain that turned him into a monster, he’ll never be anything more than the beast he so desperately clings to.

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TL;DR: Victor Creed is the embodiment of what it means to embrace the darkness, to find power in being feral and untamed. He’s a man who chose to be a monster because it meant never being vulnerable again. And that’s why he pushes Logan to join him—because he’s terrified of being alone in the darkness he’s built around himself.

[yellowbluemoonshine]

INFJ/INTJ Villains are something else.

Harin (Pyramid Game)

Suji (Trash Belongs In The Trash Can)

Johan Liebert (Monster)

Vs Vs.

Tragic villains - Well written character - Obsessive - Care about loved ones - Childhood trauma - Mastermind manipulation - Tragic backstory - Psychological horror - Redeemed villains - Star of their show - Believe or not, all they want is to be loved/exist.

[wusopiejung25]

# DUTP photo dump

The Queen.

"so what if they hate me? Their swords already at my neck a few times. Their steel is no stronger than my gold."

"The only blood they shed was their own. I live."

[agentrouka-blog]

So I'm re-reading the series, trying to look at characters and plots in different ways and look for symbolism. I am doubtful of Dany, not full anti rn but wary. Do you think she could do good? Or is she doomed, always planned to be a dark/villain that used to be a naive child?

Dany was always meant to be a villain in the end.

This is in no way diminished by the fact that she started out as a helpless victim in a horrific situation. These circumstances inform her arc, they are part of what sets her on this path. But being a victim is not a qualification for goodness, it does not make people stronger or better. Suffering makes us weaker and worse. It is kindness and compassion that make us strong and that help us grow and heal.

Dany barely got any of that in her life. The things she does directly relate to that, to the poisonous way she was raised. She is a tragedy.

We are not meant to hate her. (I strongly dislike her, but that's my personal taste.) She is a figure to be pitied, even as we slowly discover her to be a monster shedding its veneer.

She wants to be happy, she wants to be a force of good. But she has no real concept of what that actually is because she was raised to view herself as inherently separate from other human beings, as a superior Targaryen catergory of her own, and being raised on the run with only Viserys her brother-king, she never had a chance to understand what connection and community actually are. But we need these things to properly function, they are the basis of survival, peace and justice.

Dany could hear the singing of the red priests as they lit their night fires and the shouts of ragged children playing games beyond the walls of the estate. For a moment she wished she could be out there with them, barefoot and breathless and dressed in tatters, with no past and no future and no feast to attend at Khal Drogo's manse. (AGOT, Daenerys I)

It is tragic when she believes her actions to be good and helpful, when they are often at least partly horrific, and she cannot see past her intentions and her own point of view. She is blind to her own hypocrisy. And it keeps getting worse instead of better because her inevitable failures meet "if I look back I am lost". Once she starts to truly question herself, she slips into an existential crisis that she quickly shuts down. The blood of the dragon does not weep. Her self-worth is too tied up in her dragon identity and the goal of reconquest - inevitable war, inevitable destruction, inevitable recreations of her past failures. She cannot let go of that goal, so she can never be free, and she can never be good.

[lena-rambles]

looking for writeblrs!!

hiii y'all, lena here. time to throw a hook into the writeblr sea and hope to catch some fish :) i'm looking for some new writeblrs to follow, especially if your wip has the following:

lesbians, especially problematic ones

south american setting

south american inspired fantasy

fantasy tragedy

political revolutions

game of thrones vibe

queer allegories

themes of divinity

corruption/tragic arcs

please interact, especially a reblog, if this is you!

(btw if any of these bullets interested you, check out my wip eris! it has all of these and more)

[danaclese]

My favourite depiction The Character of parasite

This is a picture of Clark Kent and Rudy Jones. In this scene Rudy is giving Clark advice, telling him about his wife and kid. He is sharing wisdom, and even warning him from danger. Rudy is a NICE person, who if he had his own way would look after others whenever he could. But Rudy does not get his own way, and he is REALLY hungry. So hungry he will eat a person he likes, a person he gave advice to, a person he tried to warn away from danger. Rudy and Clark could have been friends. But Rudy is hungry, and it hurts too much. Rudy would want to use his power to protect people and be a hero like superman.

But Rudy is hungry, and it hurts too much.

Rudy saw a young friendly man who needed advice and a warning, but now hes the parasite. Parasite sees a warm glowing light of energy that will meet his hunger and stop his pain. Rudy is NOT a bad guy. Hes just really fucking hungry. And clark wont even kill him after winning, imagine what that would do to your mind, the only person in existence who could end your pain, wont do it, they could end your hunger but wont allow it.

instead, condemning you to eternal starvation in this body. ^

[sanktasansa]

Wow.

Denis Villeneuve was able to do successfully in 5.5 hours what D&D botched over 80+ hours.

When the problem is the storyteller, not the story...

[boredmezzosoprano]

Anytime there’s a closeup of Johan in Monster it kinda freaks me out! Not just because of how much he scares me, but also it’s his eyes; he looks absolutely exhausted. Even when he disguised himself as Anna/Nina you could still see those bags under his eyes and it makes you realise just how much you really don’t want to be in his head! It’s the kind of tired that sleep doesn’t cure��

[besttropeveershowdown]

The Best Trope Ever Showdown: Round 3, Side B

Tragic Villain

No propaganda was submitted.

Battle Couple

Propaganda:

Two people fighting side by side, or back to back, trusting the other to have their back, even while bickering. Amazing. And if they kiss, surrounded by enemies… perfection ❤️❤️❤️

[izunias-meme-hole]

Emperor Belos Appreciation Post

[ultraericthered]

Digimon Emperor/Kaiser Ken Ichijouji Appreciation Post

Coolest and most compelling human villain Digimon's ever had.

[magimisto]

[yellowbluemoonshine]

Hi,

I see you finished Monster and are quite versed in Johan. Can you help me understand the depth of his character better? I feel like many people miss the point of it. Also I'd like to know why you like him so much.

Oh, there is so much to say about him but i will try to make it short as possible.

Lets Talk About Johan;

First of all, i heard his character as some 'evil' mastermind so i wasnt really interested in his character until i experience the story by myself. I wondered why this series is popular so i decided to give a chance. I tought Johan was like Afo (from Bnha) but he turn out to be a lot like Shigaraki lol.

What makes a character depth is if they are not one-dimensional, that there is a more than how they seem from surface. And Johan fits well since he is mysterious character who is seen as angel, monster, devil, basically anything but human but they end up failing to understand him because if he was so simple, police would've catch him a long time ago.

At the start of series, he seems like your usual dangerous serial killer which fits the psychological thriller theme of story. And one of the best thing in series is his connection with Tenma. A doctor saves his life and this dangerous killer starts to view him as parent figure. A killer who see no worth in life and the doctor who thinks every life is equal, especially saving Johan is the reason he starts to to be able to live his life as a real doctor. Only to learn the child whom he saved turn out to be serial killer.

Tenma feels responsible for this and goes to journey to kill Johan. During this journey, we aldo discover some hints of what made Johan the way he is. The irony is we get the hints and a lot of characters perspective of him, everyone except Johan.

Is his messages about 'the monster inside of him' serious or not? Tenma assumes Johan is enjoying this at first, then he assumes Johan has multiple personality disorder. And later when he talked with other doctor, he assumes Johan is just playing with him because thats what most serial killers do with police. This is interesting because all of those end up being wrong. Johan doesnt enjoy from killing people. Johan doesnt have DID. Johan didnt write those messages to play with them. We know this because we later learn that he is unconciously imitate the fairytale stories he read as child.

Meanwhile, he has fanclub. A lot of murderers admire Johan because they view him as destruction Buddha. Just like others, he is seen as monster but why though? Its not like he is the only killer in the world. And personally, a lot of characters are more 'evil' than him so the thing about Johan is; he treats human life as nothing. Not just other people but also himself. Thats what makes him so scary to everyone. He doesnt even do it out of joy, money, statue. He looks like the devil in human form. He spreads misery to world. (Thats why he burns library when they said "its humanity's treasure" LoL.)

To people, that is scary. When they look at Johan, his eyes, the see someone who has no identity (nameless world). They see someone who treats life like as a game. Which explains why many people are afraid of him.

Some also want to use him, such as they want him to make second Hitler and he is like 'Nope'.

I think the main reason i love Johan is that he is like a magician. He can create a beautifull illusion. He is someone who can touch people's hearths because how well he understands them. Which is why he is seen as angel when people dont know he kills people.

This is also why he can use other killers for himself. He can see their vulnerabilities. Because even a killer is still human and they might need acceptance, to be understood by someone. Johan can give it to them. And they wish they were like Johan because they think everything would be a lot easier for them to kill others, like some kind of edgy teens. They fail to understand the person they want to be is extremely miserable.

On other hand, Johan can use his skills with curing people. Such as him waking Suk's mother, he made her remember her son again. Though he does things with ulterior motives, same skills can be used for good things. He can make people happy or miserable by little things. With a little magic or just skill.

And even though he is villain, he has very relaxing voice. He is very elegant. He listens other people. This fits perfectly well with his manipulative character.

We also never know when he is sincere or not because when you think he doesnt he actually seem to care, such as when he cried for Karl. Apperantly, tears were real. He is always in his world, its so funny when you think about he is some kind of mastermind.

Also his interaction with kids is so interesting. I think he geniuely enjoys being around them. Otherwise, why would he bother to spend time with them, why would he know so much about child's rights, why would he look for picture book for a friend? This is the same guy who encourage kids to rooftop game (and the scene where he was projecting on Milos) which is messed up. It gives me chills. His nihisilism, him viewing life as game end up resulting him expressing love as twisted.

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Later, everything changes when Johan finds certain book in library. Basically, Johan's character doesnt necessarely stay same during the series. He changes his motives from unconciously imitating nameless monster stories to find actual monster who ruined his life. Even though he does messed up things, everything about his character makes sense with that scene. Johan geniuely believed that he is nameless monster. Johan geniuely believed that he doesnt exist.

Everything about him makes sense because it explains why he doesnt think death as much of it. Because if someone doesnt exist, they cant be killed. If someone doesnt exist, they cant be responsible for killings. He is detached from reality. Its not that he didnt feel. Its that he doesnt view it as real the way other people does. Because Johan isnt there. This is the tragedy of Johan's story. He doesnt have name. He doesnt have identity. He feels as he doesnt exist.

The famous 'monster' tape everyone after is about a child unable to see the difference between fairytale story and reality. 'My name is Johan. My name is Thomas. My name is Hans. My name is Otto.' He is them but he is neither of them. Johan views Anna as his half, as Anna is the real one and he is fake copy. He killed people as child, not because he is evil but because he geniuely thought that monster is coming after them. He cant even separate his own memories from Anna's. He takes all bad memories both to protect Anna and other reason is to become someone. He wanted to have identity, he wanted to live so bad but he didnt have on his own so he took it from others, just like the nameless monster.

This is also why Johan is also affected by Tenma's saving him. He probably wondered Tenma wouldnt save him, if he knew he was monster. He was kinda right because Tenma regretted his decision but he was wrong because Tenma couldnt shoot him and he saved him the second time. He showed him that he has right to live, he has right to exist, and that he has a name so he is not monster. This is why Johan can open up his worst insecurities. And they really give father-son energy and i think thats cute. I am glad that even after years Tenma visists him at hospital.

And we can guess what happened at the end thanks to Grimmer (one of the characters who deserves better), 'The monster become human at the end'. and Lunge said that if he were not a human being, he would not leave a trace, only humans leave a trace. For the first time we see Johan leave his mark. So Johan is no longer a monster, just a human. Also, his real name doesnt matter, he is Johan to us/all.

I love the messages of story. There is a monster inside all of us, but we can contain/heal it and after all, we are all human, our lives are equally valuable and stealing a person's name is the biggest crime, so having a name is very important. Story still has certain writing issues but generally, it is good story. Johan is well written character because his story is such a journey. We cant even really appreaciate the story without fully understand Johan. Every scene he is in meaningfull. And personally, i think his story is very empathic because of how tragic he is. Also sometimes he looks so funny and weird which makes him entertaining. He is such a good character.

Though you are right, anon. Many people still misinterpret the story, especially his character but anyway, there are still people who makes great analysis about him. Such as this analysis made by @cyanogoth.

Its ironic that most/some main villains have the most interesting and sempathic backstories, even though they are supposed to be 'big evil' or something but in reality, they are not really.

Anyway, he is fun to think about, i love him, lol.