#Tirnanoc

[lifewithaview]

Cara Delevingne in Carnival Row (2019) Some Dark God Wakes

S1E1

Rycroft "Philo" Philostrate investigates "Unseelie Jack", a mysterious assailant with a grudge against the fae. Vignette Stonemoss barely escapes Tirnanoc with her life and arrives in The Burgue looking for a fresh start. Imogen Spurnrose meets her new neighbor. In Parliament, the fight over the critch heats up.

*In the world of "Carnival Row," the Continent of Tirnanoc is the original land of the fae and all fae races and faiths. East of Mesogea, across the Great Main and adjoined to the continent of Ignota, Tirnanoc has a long and rich history consisting of many kingdoms. In recent centuries, human empires have crossed the ocean with increasing frequency, claiming territory and colonies. As such, Tirnanoc is less and less stable for fae, driving the mass exodus of refugees and immigrants who end up in The Burgue

[chronicallylatetotheparty]

White Liberalism in Carnival Row

Season one starts off well enough.

Vignette's abuse at the hands of her "employers" is hauntingly realistic. Blending elements of classism into the fantasy racism that is the main conflict of the story. The scene where she finds the library she was caretaker of back in Tirnanoc is incredibly pointed criticism of how everything in western museums is stolen.

Philo being the only member of the Constabulary who actually cares about the Fae minority because he is half Fae. Trying, and failing, to change anything from within the system to the point he's arrested for hiding his mixed heritage. And eventually deciding to abandon the Constabulary altogether at the end of the first season.

Piety Breakspear's appropriation of Fae magic to attack innocent people in an attempt to protect her status and power.

Jonah Breakspear and Sophie Longerbane joining forces to turn the Row into a ghetto/concentration camp despite ostensibly being sympathetic and/or apathetic to Fae. Showing how the aristocratic ruling class will do anything to promote their own interests.

And yet the fall from biting social commentary into white Liberalism is present even here.

Agreus Astrayon is a rich faun. Who made his fortune by hunting down his own kind who "broke contract" and tried to escape from indentured servitude. In exchange for his own freedom. And in season two it's revealed that he also convinced others to sign exploitative contracts. Abusing the trust his own people had in him to build his wealth.

Which makes his speal promoting the virtues of assimilation and collaboration that much more grating. Agreus is played by a black actor.

Making the connection between the character talking about "working within the system" and real life black conservatives perhaps an inevitable comparison. Remember that at this time all Fae are forced to live in a ghetto they weren't allowed to leave. A ghetto with such filthy conditions that a plague is ravaging the fairy population.

A ghetto Agreus never had to live in because he had to leave the country after defending himself against a human man in his own home.

Sophie Longerbane is made "sympathetic" by showing her regret her part in making the Row a ghetto... Which comes across as quite shallow and meaningless as it changes nothing about her actions.

But worse, when she's arrested Sophie goes into a rant about how much she's been wronged by the men of the ruling class. And how men are the root of all problems... She says this to Vignette.

A fae who has directly suffered due to Sophie's actions against the Fae.

A fairie whose society is matriarchal.

And instead of dismissing the self pitying oppressor spouting white feminism Vignette is "moved" by her privileged viewpoint.

Philo has an epiphany in season two: all his work as a member of the Constabulary, as a soldier in the Burgue's army, hurt his people and contributed to the oppression they faced... And all that is swept away because his friend is killed.

The New Dawn is an unsubtle fantasy equivalent of Communism. The movement that achieved class solidarity between humans and Fae against the ruling class. Is just Communism.

That is why Agreus' naivety about the virtues of capitalist racism can be portrayed as "in the right". Because obviously rebellion is worse.

That is why protecting the most racist constable on the force is the "right thing to do". Because if you just coddle racists enough they'll realize they were wrong. And hey! At least they're not Communists!

Carnival Row started as a flawed show with potential. But it squandered that potential in favor of white Liberalism that is shown in the actual show to be nonesense.

Because at the end there was nothing stopping the Burgue from reconquering Tirnanoc like they wanted to. There was nothing stopping them from keeping the Fae in ghettos and only letting out "skilled workers" like Sophie planned.

There is no evidence that Philo was actually the illegitimate son of the previous chancellor but he was still given the option of becoming the next one.

The Burgue just suffered it's most devastating "terrorist attack", two chancellor's in a row were assassinated by Fae and we're expected to believe that the Burgue just magically decided to be less racist?

After allowing a race riot to sweep across Carnival Row and a foreign power to radicalize their second class citizens!?

The naivety is astounding.

[thenightling]

I just watched the last two episodes of Season 2 of Carnival Row. Here there be spoilers. Before these episodes were released someone on social media had suggested to me that Runyon Millworthy was the Sparas and I can only presume that they weren’t really paying attention to Millworthy’s scenes or forgot he was the actor friend of Philo’s mother in season 1. I love Millworthy.  I figured there was more to him than met the eye but I would never have thought of him as a potential suspect of being the Sparas especially with him being one of the prisoners waiting to be executed when the Sparas attacked the prison.    All the characters I hoped would survive survived.  Though I was pleasantly surprised that Vignette ended up with Tourmaline I never really felt the chemistry between them.  Come to think of it, there wasn’t all that much chemistry between her and Philo this season either.  I thought that in the last ten minutes we might get a time skip to what their world’s equivalent of our present day might be like but that didn’t happen. I was a little disappointed that Philo didn’t become Chancellor or king.  I understand the in-show explanation but the reality is he could have started some serious changes in The Burgue, though Agreus would make an excellent Chancellor too.      It was nice to see Millworthy with his Kobolds again. I guess he got them back or found new ones. Weird that the Pact was mostly defeated off camera and no one made a move to take Tirnanoc again after the events of Carnival Row. 

Honestly, I thought Imogen might be pregnant and it would be revealed but nothing about that came up.  I suppose it was a decent enough ending.  And it is nice to see expectations subverted with who Vignette ended up with.  I feel bad for poor Philo though and with her and Tourmaline had more chemistry other than the professing that they always loved each other.    

[deadlydelicious]

The Vignette Problem and a Potential Fix - An entirely Undirected Frustration Ramble

OK- Preface, this is a ramble in the key of meta, NOT a well thought out considered meta in inself. please read accordingly

Lets be honest, Vignette was a shit MC for this story

When measuring Vignette up against the other MC’s (Philo, Tourmaline, Imogen, Agreus), she comes off as infantile and naive, framed by her very teenage rebellion, her obligatory hetero romance with Philo (which is at least passably developed if lacking chemistry) and her poorly developed ‘childhood sweetheart runner-up’ romance with Tourmaline. Her convictions never really felt like core values, but rather exercises in reactionary frustrations. She is not a mover and shaker of this conflict, she is someone caught up in the motions. To be more unkind, Vignette is a plot drain, fixated on moral absolutes and flipflopping between personal/romantic allegiance in a way that makes her seem like a child, when compared to her firmly grey counterparts (namely Tourmaline and Philo). Scenes with her and Tourmaline or Philo almost border on uncomfortable because of how emotionally immature she is in comparison to the two of them- where they deal in complex moral quandarys, she deals in snap judgments and ultimatums..

Characterwise, Vignette doesn't read like a 1st gen war refuge (in the fantastical sense). Not that there is a right or wrong way to behave as a refugee, but there is a notable gap in her understanding of Fae relations to the Burge that make no sense for her age, education, previous relationship with a half fae Burgish soldier and plot relation to the conflict (as a member or Tirnanoc academia and later as a director of refugees to safety) Tourmaline on the other hand does read as a 1st gen refugee- she comes across as that mixture of scarred, ferrety, grateful, and yet cyclical persona that makes sense. Philo as a scarred veteran also fits with Tourmaline’s generation in this sense- he’s haunted, jaded, empathetic, hunting for belonging as a mixed species person caught adrift between his heritage and his socialization. Tourmaline and Philo read like they are from the same generation of a conflict. It’s frustrating we don’t see more of the two of them because in a non-romantic sense they bounce really well, and I would love to see a world without V where the two of them have to team up and come to see each others worlds- Philo’s hidden ancestry, and Tourmaline’s more brutal dark connection to fae magic

Vignette reads like the 2nd generation. That’s a powerful story in its own right- the frustration and restlessness of a person born outside their heritage, acutely aware of the rich cultural heritage they are owed, but both unable to access it, and dammed and ridiculed for embracing it. It’s a valid story BUT a very different one from that of a brand new refugee. This 100% wouldn’t automatically make her a bad character, but when placing her against Tourmaline and Philo, her reactions and understanding of her political situation often read as hopelessly simplistic and idealistic. If you separate her by generation though I think they would have been more nuanced- a display of nationalistic frustration in the place of complacency. Vignette comes across like the child of refugees who feels cheated out of their rightful identity, angry about being forced to live a small life on the fringe, when she knows the beauty and power of her for-bearers. It’s a characterization that works, but not in the context of placing Tourmaline and Philo as her contemplates

I think it would have worked better if Vignette was Philo’s daughter, her mother being Philo’s lover and Tourmaline's bestfriend/lover. That would account for her dissonant perspective from the war generation of Philo and Tourmaline, while also making space for her difficult personal connection to the two if her mother/Philo & Vignettes lover had died after Philo left.

[fallingthruspace]

Season 2 of Carnival Row felt a little rushed despite having two extra episodes, but overall I enjoyed it. Everyone I was really invested survived and were mostly happy in the end.

Seeing Imogen and Agreus bring the electric lights to Finistere Crossing and kiss in front of a crowd of clapping people warmed my heart, those two deserve all the happiness in the world and I’m so glad things worked out for them 🥰

I will say I was surprised to see Vignette and Tourmaline get married but it was sweet and the fact that they got to go back to Tirnanoc was lovely.

Also kinda surprised Philo didn’t end up being chancellor, but also glad he didn’t. For the reasons he stated and also because it would have been a tad too obvious.

Was sad to see Darius die, but I guess there were too many satisfying deaths and they had to squeeze in one more sad one.

I still don’t like Dombey

[munsontm]

CARNIVAL ROW.

Back in Tirnanoc, fae Edina "Eddie" Morganson was pressured into joining the war effort against the Pact at a particularly young age. But before then, he lived a mostly quiet life with his uncle in a fishing village on the coast of Nysa. They weren't wealthy by any means, but they were happy. Then the war came and Eddie lost his uncle in a fire bombing, his home, and most of the village in it. He ran for his life only to be rounded up by rebel forces, who pushed weapons into his hands and told him to kill. Throughout the entire war...Eddie killed one Pactish man in self-defense, and it has plagued him ever since.

Like many of his kind, Eddie ended up on Carnival Rogue in The Burgue, living in poverty and treated like the scum of the earth by most of humankind. He tried to get a job as a fisherman at first, since he knew how to do that. But the humans didn't trust him and he was cast aside. This eventually leads him to a position in the brothel at Tetterby Hotel. He originally went in for a bar job, but Madame Moira said he was too pretty to be stuck behind a bar. She convinced him to take up sex work instead, which he admittedly was good at after getting over his initial anxiety. Eddie had always been an exceptional performer, ready with a story or a song, or a witty line, and the skill transferred well to pleasing the various customers that walk through his door at night. It didn't take long for him to become popular, and not just because of his performances. People discovered he was a good listener, leading to some of his patrons paying just to have a chat with him instead of sex.

But popularity doesn't mean shit in Carnival Row. The humans don't treat him any better, and he still dreams of returning to Tirnanoc one day, back to the free lands.

[marmarbeans]

Fuuck dude, where do I even begin with this dream I just had?

Okay, here’s what I can remember. I was at some park with my family and I for some reason could fly? Also, Philo was there and we were taking him to Tirnanoc, so we went on a park table to Tirnanoc. Philo left to see the other faeries and I did some investigating of my own. Turns out, there were plenty of faeries, each with their own unique ability! I first saw these faeries who could shift into wolves and I followed them during a hunt. Then I came across some faeries who had fire powers. Then I went back to the village and tried to fly but couldn’t. ;-; Then I found these ice faeries(Phi was going over to I guess find a boyfriend?? Idk-) who were about to play a game and there was this huuuge ice guy who was the head honcho of the whole shit. Then Philo came and the “episode” ended. But, and this is the crazy part, I unlocked the next episode! Phi was in some prison torture device cos somehow the faeries were mad at him and Tauriel, yes, Tauriel pulled up and let him out. Then it ended. Will I make a fic from this? Probably.

@blackheart-beauty tagging you to fuel our mutual Carnival Row hyperfixation <3

[moonlightreal]

Grumbling about Carnival Row season 2

Because of course all shows should follow what I want! XD 

And I wanted a show about Philo and Vignette, who fought so hard to be together and find true love in dark times, to be badass rebel partners working together to help the fae.  Sneaking kids out of the barbed wire to safety, possibly safety in some other country where Imogen and Agreas ended up… Instead the writers are like, “Nah, they break up!”  Gaaaaah!

As I watched the last few episodes I started to notice things that just felt… missing.  Like there were bits I expected to see and they never turned up, leaving previously important bits of plot to dangle in the breeze.

-Tourmaline being taken over by evil magic.  She needs to stop doing magic or it’ll completely take her over!  Then she… does a bunch more magic but she’s fine.  Could we at least have had a scene at the end where she does a cleansing ritual or bathes in a sacred spring and says she feels much better knowing the haruspex’s icky spirit is gone forever?  Maybe the kiss of true love banished it.

-The fae plague.  There was a plague! People were dying!  Then the plot just kind of moved on.  We never got a search for a cure.  Vignette didn’t catch it, which I thought she might.  We didn’t learn it was the humans poisoning the wells, which I also thought might have been happening.

-Imogen’s sudden freakout at Agreus.  they’re in love, some terribly traumatic things happened, and suddenly she was breaking up with him because he was just another man trying to control her—and then the plot moved on, Agreus gets kidnapped, and then they were back together.  It makes sense that Imogen might have gone off the rails due to trauma but I feel like we missed a scene where after his escape she runs to him and they kiss, and then a later scene where she says, “Sorry I wigged out there, but being controlled by men is something that bothers me a lot.” and Agreus says, “Totally understandable what with your entire history.  Let’s talk about how we can make sure you never feel like I’m trying to get the upper hand.”

-Philo’s whole parentage.  He almost reveals his lineage, the plot gets in the way, then it’s never mentioned until the end where he’s refusing to become chancellor with an impassioned speech.  And what about being greater than his father?  Killing the sparas was pretty badass but I don’t think it counts as full on greatness.  There was a whole heckin’ prophecy!

-Philo’s evil twin he was hallucinating after one too many whacks to the head.  I mean I’m glad that didn’t go on, but it’s another thing that just kinda randomly stopped.  

-Tirnanoc is… saved?  It was all so off screen, the Pact was driven out, the Burgish government was planning underhanded stuff to conquer it themselves (instead of just taking the refugees out to sea and dumping them overboard like I thought the reveal would be) and then… the plot moved on.  Did we get anything in the very pretty happy ending to suggest why the next chancellor won’t go out and conquer it again?  

-Jonah and Sophie.  Jonah had so much character potential.  Was he a decent person underneath?  Was he going to see through Sophie’s blandishments and stand up as a decent guy or fall into corruption? Could he and Philo have any kind of relationship, for good or ill? And what were Sophie’s plans now that she owns half the manufacturing in the Burgue?  What else was she up to behind the scenes?  What’s up with her faun friend?  This plotline wasn’t abandoned but suddenly cut off, but I was really keen to see where it was going!

I know this is just my opinions but did the end of the season hit anyone else this way? I didn’t hate the second season or anything.  I love the visuals of the show so much, I was invested in what was happening, and watching Imogen come into her own was just a joy.  But this feeling that the story was trying to go places and never quite getting there..!

[hazelcephalopod]

Well episode 7 is happening. Here are some parts I’ve got thoughts on-

- Philo being accepting they he was lying in so many ways including to himself. I mean Darius has half a point about how Philo wants to protect people. But also… the way he went about it was wrong and just chased more harm and that does matter.

- unexpected almost poly Quad? Love Tourmaline reminding Vin “we are not a monogamous people, go get your dipshit of a man and I’ll get mine”. Like plz, let it happen. In my dream it happens. This close to 3/4 though, which isn’t nothing.

- so glad in the end Philo was going to choose some happiness for himself.

- oh and the “let’s go back to Tirnanoc” I could probably write an essay about but like… fine sure, good luck with that there’s three episodes left.

- ah and there’s the fucking complication which, it’s bad and obviously partly because of the hasty rewrite to wrap everything to up in one season. Wonder why the Black Raven did that?

On to episode 8 (because why not)-

- I’m so but the melodramatic silent scream over uh, “only decent cop buddy” idk. I just can’t with it. It’s hilarious.

- ah let’s see what the rich people are doing time I see. Though, seeing them have to admit and see the full horror of their own selfishness was really well done. And then of course the issues kinda fucked the rest.

- “the Burgue were going to retake Tirnanoc” yup I could write an essay. Oh! And why did the Raven do that, well… the marines in the hold.

- and who is the real villain? Who could it be on the supercorp channel? Just who cou— it’s the New Dawn of course it the New Dawn. I could write an essay but really, why? Communism and revolutions have to the the enemy. Always. Because otherwise well… who would you choose between the Burgue, the Pact and the New Dawn?

Aside: maybe I’m wrong and the New Dawn will be the good guys and win or something. I doubt it but who knows?

[arethinn]

wolfkitten:

#other #there at the beginning #or so it seemed #an article from the elf queen's daughters in some pagan publication #back in the mid 80s

You're probably thinking of one by the Silver Elves in Circle Network News, Summer 1986. I know this because I did a lot of digging in old list archives when preparing my presentation on the early history of the Elven Star for the last Shining Hearth, and came across your post to Elfinkind in January 1997 (and mentions of contemporary posts on TirNanOc although I don't have archives that far back) where you mentioned finding this old CNN issue and gave some commentary on their "Meditations on the Seven-Pointed Star". (Unfortunately the post doesn't contain the complete text of the article and I haven't yet been able to find it.) That post eventually wound up verbatim on Rialian's website and sparked some other web pages discussing the symbol (such as by Lanthinel and eventually by lindsay/Magpie Hrafnsdottir). It was part of a discussion where you had previously mentioned seeing an article from the "Elf Queen's Daughters" in the Winter 1995 "Gateways to Faerie" issue of Green Egg. (In quotes because that was written by Aeona Silversong, and in it she mentions being allowed by Arwen and Elanor, the "Tookes" as she refers to them, to use the name of the Elf Queen's Daughters.)

[mirandamckenni1]

I'll fly for you/Lora Lie Lo - Patty Gurdy (official music video, written for Carnival Row) (Anzeige) Listen for free/buy here: https://ift.tt/rLXn7U6 https://amzn.to/32mU6TC https://ift.tt/tnemQyK I am Patty Gurdy and I got asked to write songs for the Amazon Prime/ Legendary TV series called "CARNIVAL ROW". The fairy I wrote for is called "Aisling Querelle" and she used to be a singer in the Fairy-country Tirnanoc. Aisling is singing this lullaby / sleep song to her son Philo (Orlando Bloom). And by the way, if you're wondering: This green instrument is called "hurdy-gurdy". I explain it in my other YouTube videos. The snow parts of this video were shot in the Austrian alps. Have a wonderful Christmas! Music: Patty Gurdy Lyrics: Kristin Robinson Poduced by: Patty Gurdy and Simon Michael Mastered by: Christoph Beyerlein Video: Patty's family and Oliver Weisskopf (Anzeige) If you would like to support me and my music, you can do so on Patreon! Support me on Patreon! https://ift.tt/Gt2X4IO official Facebook: https://ift.tt/Qnqt28j Facebook Fangroup: https://ift.tt/iKdJmL4 official Instagram: https://ift.tt/xIuyK2P Website: https://ift.tt/Gicat7z business (only!) e-mail: pattygurdy@gmail.com via YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OR2jQlOXkQ

[shamelesslymkp]

OK, so I'm still going to keep watching Carnival Row, but uh. I can see why reviewers panned the second season. It's not BAD, it's just... way too much story for this much show? The first season was fairly tight fitting and self-contained; this season went way more into politics (not just city politics, global politics) and I think they got away with themselves a bit with all of the really overt political parallels they were making.

So! In summary:

The Burge -> England (Political Elite have RP; lower class humans have thicker but still fairly identifiably "English" accents)

Tirnanoc -> Ireland (Pix seem to have mainly Irish accents, although admittedly I'm not great at accents)

Puyon -> Scotland (Fauns seem to have more Scottish accents and wording than Pix, on average)

The Pact -> Germany (German accents, WAR BALLOONS DROPPING BOMBS)

The New Dawn -> Soviet Russia/Communist Revolution (this is the most fucking obvious of all of the above and the rest were pretty obvious to start with, they've got Russian accents, call each other comrade, have a little green book manifesto, it's uh. not subtle)

[thenightling]

Carnival Row season 2, episodes 7 and 8 review.

The pattern of one episode being heavily at Carnival Row and the other being mostly with Imogen and Agreus in their world’s version of The Soviet Union (The New Dawn) looked like it was going to be subverted by opening with Imogen and Agreus but no, it quickly returned to the expected pattern.

The one scene that really bugged me in episode 7 was the stand off with the Fae crime boss. I never bothered to learn his name.  To me he was just the Fae Kingpin.   When his men have Tourmaline and Vingette held her dagger to his groin, threatening to castrate him, that scene took me out of the story a bit. He shouldn’t have been so quick to surrender.  Even if she had attempted to slice down there, Tourmaline would have already been dead.  She shouldn’t have been able to get out of that scene that way.  The writers showed a moment of non-creativity.

I suspect poor Milworthy is going to get killed.  I hope I’m wrong. I like him.  I’ve also suspected, for some time, that Imogen might be pregnant.  I was a little surprised to see her finally kill her extremely unhinged brother but that whole plot felt drawn-out anyway. And now her and Agreus are falling out of love or this just her way of grieving? 

The reasoning behind the government of The Burgue bothers me. I understand that it’s meant to resemble the nineteenth century British empire but why would they want to colonize Tirnanoc when they already don’t want the faeries there in Carnival Row?  What would they gain by taking back Tirnanoc while The Pact is distracted?  

I strongly suspect the Sparas (vampire-like creature) is one of the ambassadors from The New Dawn as the region does strongly resemble Eastern Europe.

[my-space-girlfriend]

WHO ELSE WATCHES CARNIVAL ROW

I’ve got feelings and I need to collectively flail with the rest of the fandom. 

[mbciredoughty]

‪#romancingthepixel again with #Philo and #Vignette together in Tirnanoc where they fell in love... #CarnivalRow  #orlandobloom #caradelevingne #rycroftphilostrate #vignettestonemoss 💕💕💕 I.Just.Can’t.Stop.Rendering! #curiouscraftsman ‬

[vignettestonemossoftirnanoc]

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