#Thule!Simon

[blue-silver-hammer]

I think what you said about the last king of faerie referring to the unseelie king is very interesting and just might be possible thought I’m unsure as to how Thule will come back into the story other than the fact that Janus is from there. Based on Janus seeking out Clary I can’t see him going back and forth between the two dimensions so maybe instead of them going to Thule, Thule!Simon comes to the regular dimension seeking Janus as he promised to kill him. However, now that I am thinking about it more Janus did promise Lily in Forever Fall that he would reunite her with Raphael so there has to be a way to Thule.

As for Dru going to Faerie to seek out Jaime I think that is the only thing that makes sense but I don’t think Jaime being missing is what the Clave is going to be so desperate to solve as he has been missing for over a year by that point. Even though Jaime is related to Diego I can’t see him being missing so important that all of the Clave-in-exile will be trying to solve but he is important to Dru that she’d want to go find him especially if she feels like nothing is being done to find him.

Based on the prologue we have I think that the wild fae, Mother Hawthorn specifically, are going to play an important role going forward especially since we don’t know what Mother Hawthorn told Kit in SoBH.

I know everyone thinks that the mysterious disappearance that Kit and Ty are going to solve is about Livvy as Kit is the only one that Ty thinks can help him but I don’t see how Livvy can go missing and not have Ty be incapacitated even with the necklace given to him by Magnus lessening the effects of the necromantic bond between them. It also doesn’t make sense as Cassie said everyone is trying to solve it. At that point in the story the only ones that know about Ty raising Livvy are Kit, Dru, Magnus, and most likely Ragnor though I don’t think it has been officially confirmed that Ragnor knows that Ty went through with the ritual after he refused to give Ty the catalyst after they had gathered the ingredients needed for the spell. However, they do seem to be good friends as they got along well in SoBH. Based on those two things it can’t be Livvy even if it seems like the most likely scenario.

Overall there is only one character I can think of that is important enough to cause that kind of reaction and that is Clary.

While I am not sure how likely this theory is I can see it going something like this:

Dru goes to Pandemonium to see Simon’s band perform with Thais and the TMI crew. Like usual, Alec and Clary leave to go get tacos and Lily comes and distracts Alec while Janus approaches Clary and kidnaps her. As this is from Dru’s POV she is unaware of this happening and so returns to academy clueless and gets in trouble with Luke (based on the snippet we have) as she left the academy without permission. Later it will be revealed that Clary is missing prompting a wide spread effort to find her which upsets Dru as she feels like Jaime is being cast aside and so she goes to find him herself while everyone else looks for Clary. It will also give her the chance to find out why she has lost three days of time.

The only part I struggle with in regards to this theory is Ty and Kit’s plot line. I can see Ty being given a mission to find her as a centurion and he goes to Kit because he it gives him an excuse to seek him out and he might have some idea of his fae heritage as it is possible that he saw Kit vanish the riders and that there is information in the schoolmates about the First Heir as Auraline was born before the scholomance closed as part of the first accord signings. With Janus’ connection to the fae having someone of that heritage could help him out in his search. Their road trip could be them going to places Janus has been trying to find where he has hidden Clary. Ash has hinted in SoBH that Janus has been planning something that seems to go beyond just making Clary his as he mentions the fall of the nephilim and that they — the shadowhunters— don’t know that they are doomed.

Based on what we know of the Seelie Queen, I can see her making an alliance with the Princes of Hell as she believes that there is no way the shadowhunter can win against them and she always wants to be on the winning side. With Janus being somewhat loyal to the Court through Ash he would be involved in that plot as well. Maybe Janus is trying to find Lucifer which goes well with the tile of the second book being the Last Prince of Hell as Lucifer is the only one that hasn’t made a previous appearance.

This could be how Dru plot line and Ty and Kit’s plot line converge as Ash is going to pull Dru into the matters of faerie and Ty and Kit learn that the Princes of Hell are making their move. They both can wind up in faerie and the book ends with agreeing to go with mother Hawthorn to train more in his powers so he stands a chance fighting against the princes of Hell.

The blackthorn sword being reforged can also be included in this part as it was a blade originally forged by Wayland the Smith giving it similar properties (an angel wing in the hilt) of Cortana.

Once the blade is reforged it will most likely be wielding by Dru or Ty. It is most likely Dru as the main female character but as the flower book mentions that her signature weapon is Livvy’s saber it might actually be Ty as Jesse was the last one to wield the sword and Ty has been compared a lot to Jesse so it might be him instead. Either one of them would work as both have an equal claim to the sword as Blackthorns.

I think at the time of Cassie writing TMI that it was supposed to be Jace and Sebastian but Ash and Kit fit the description as well that she could easily have it be referring to them instead.

I have just had thoughts.

We know that Thule will obviously feature again in The Wicked Powers. CC has said that the location of the black volume of the dead, as well as what happened to thule!simon, will be addressed. What i just realized after rereading TDA for the tenth time is that almost all the clues given so far relate to Thule.

The last king of Faerie? In Thule the Unseelie King united the courts and is currently ruling over them with Erec as his heir. And Julian told Thule!Livvy his true name before leaving. And Thule!Liivvy is around seventeen or eighteen, which is the age Kit and Ty will be in TWP. I cant help but assume that Kit and Ty will encounter Thule!Livvy at some point because they're around the same age- maybe by Kit and Ty somehow ending up in Thule!Faerie?

Also, Thule!Mark is missing and we can assume he's with the Wild Hunt in Faerie, which does not have the blight as the mortal world in Thule, meaning there's a strong chance that he and Janus (due to his extra angel blood) are literally the only two candidates for still retaining their Shadowhunter powers, which may tie in to the third book's title- The Last Shadowhunter. And obviously the second book is related to the epilogue of the Lost Book of the White, and the events of the Black Volume of the Dead.

Besides, the problem that Dru goes to Faerie for at the start of TLKoF? I bet it's Jaime being missing. CC said everyone's looking for a solution to the problem, so either everyone at this point knows about the missing Jaime and can't trace him in Faerie (because Kieran would know where he is on Unseelie lands), or it's another demonic problem. I bet the separate problem Kit and Ty are having is related to Livvy's ghost.

Also, remember the dreams Clary had in the early mortal instruments? Of her seeing Jace and Sebastian circle each other, Jace with white wings and Sebastian with black wings? Well, that didn't happen, but there IS someone who looks like Sebastian and has black wings- Ash. And conversely there IS someone who looks like Jace, too- Kit. Who hasn't sprouted white wings yet, but has fey heritage just like Ash. They're technically related, even- the Seelie Queen is Kit's great great great whatever grandmother, so they even partly trace the same lineage. Somehow I think the prophetic dreams Clary had were not of Jace and Sebastian, but Kit and Ash.

All this to say i have no idea how I'm going to wait 1.5 more years for TLKoF. Istg I'll have finished a PhD by the time this series finally ends

[witchlingcirce]

I so desperately need the fight scene between Janus and Thule!Simon. Thule Simon NEEDS to be the one who kills him, it would be so poetic.

I’m actually so curious about Thule Simon, I wanna know how he feels about Clary dying, about Isabelle dying! I wanna know why he hasn’t helped. HE NEEDS TO BE IN TWPPPPP PLEASEEEEE.

[hopestrope]

"'Then a voice coming from the other direction said, "I'll kill you, Jace Herondale.'" The last time Janus had seen Simon in his world, Simon had said something similar." -Forever Fallen, GotSM page 587

[helenofblackthorns]

something about Thule!Simon that I feel like we don't talk about enough (and I really hope gets brought up in canon) is that he's partially to blame for Thule existing at all. like he's not just this tragic passive figure who lost everyone he loves and is now doomed to roam forever alone, he's like. directly responsible for that happening. there is no Thule without Sebastian and there is Sebastian without Simon. because when he was presented with the choice between protecting the world or protecting Clary, he choose Clary. only in the end he doomed both the world and Clary, and everyone else he cared about.

also related to this is his last encountered with Janus, where he said something along the lines of "I'll kill you, Jace Herondale." but it's clearly not a threat he's ever followed through on. and the significance of the fact that all along killing Jace would have prevented everything. if Jace wasn't alive, he couldn't be the bargaining chip for Sebastian's life. if they had let the Clave kill Jace in order to kill Sebastian, there would have never been a war or an apocalyptic end of the world. Simon raised the angel Raziel in order to find a solution that would have saved Jace's life, and all that accomplished was him handing Clary a sword and her promptly getting killed for it. only after, when it's far far too late, is Simon willing to kill Jace. which again, he still didn't do because Janus is still alive, so maybe after everything Simon still can't do it. he still can't kill Jace Herondale.

[witchlingcirce]

IK he’s going to have the most visceral reaction when he meets Thule!Simon again, TRUST.

[tu-vieja-steve]

I am soooo excited for thule!simon because

1. he is still a vampire and I hope he appears with thule!raphael or thule!camille

2. he has lost everything, his clary, his mundane family...

3. He told Janus “I’ll kill you jace herondale” before his disappearance AAAAAAAA

I hope that thule!simon and janus can make peace and console each other and that they end up together so jimon finally becomes canon

[wikitpowers]

friendly reminder that this will happen in twp 🤯

THULE!SIMON AND THULE!KIT RISE HELL YES

[dayque]

Simon killing Thule Sebastian for save Jace and build a "new world" together live rent free in my head

[witchlingcirce]

Thule!Simon killing Janus ooooo I know that’s right!!!

I know Thule!Simon is itching to avenge Isabelle and Clary 🙂‍↕️

I keep hearing about how people think cassie is hinting at the death of one of the TMI gang, but hear me out......

It's Janus

[darcyolsson]

sometimes i randomly remember that in thule simon and jace are the only members from the tmi gang left alive meaning cc has the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever. multidimensional jimonbaiting please cassandra please

[margareturtle]

A moment of silence for the Underrated Tragic Shadowhunter Couples 😭

MARISOL AND JON (WHY MALCOLM WHAT DID HIMBO JON EVER DO TO YOU 😭)

THULE!LIVVY AND CAMERON (AFTER ALL THULE!LIVVY HAS BEEN THROUGH YOU COULDN’T EVEN LET HER KEEP CAM???CASSIE WHYYYY😭😭)—also unrelated but I’ve been rereading red queen and farley and shade remind me sm of thule livvy and cam and it ends the same way for both of them and I’m just sad 😔

BARBARA AND OLIVER (LOOK I UNDERSTAND WE LOST A LIGHTWOOD PER SERIES BUT 1) WHAT’S WITH BREAKING THE STATUS QUO?? COULD’VE BEEN BARBARA OR CHRISTOPHER BUT NOT BOTH!!! 2) BARBARA AND OLIVER WERE CUTE AND THOMAS DESERVES BOTH OF THIS SIBLINGS BACK!!!😭😭)

LADY NERISSA AND ANDREW (LOOK ANDREW SEEMS LIKE A SHITTY BROTHER AND FATHER BUT HE DID LOVE NERISSA AND SHE LOVED HIM FOR YEARS BUT THEN SHE HAD TO MAKE HIM FORGET AND MAKE IT SO HER CHILDREN ALWAYS THOUGHT OF HER AS EVIL 😭😭)

[kudzucataclysm]

concepts for the Te kids + Silas

[witchlingcirce]

My honest truth is that I loved the Thule plot in QOAAD, and I think it opens really good opportunity’s in the wicked powers.

Mainly (and I’ve talked about this over a hundred times) is that I think Janus and Thule!Simon (I’m banking on my theory that he’s alive) could have such a phenomenal arc that I need so badly. I know a lot of people want reconciliation with the two but I don’t want WAR. The last thing Simon ever said to Janus was “I’ll kill you Jace herondale” THATS what I need. Because I want you to put this into Simon’s perspective, Clary died trying to save Jace, Jace helped Sebastian turn this world into hell, The same Jace that did nothing to help Isabelle when she wanted to kill Sebastian (rip my goat no one has balls like you Thule!Isabelle). It’s true that Jace didn’t do this by his own accord, but he still did them. I can’t imagine how that Simon feels knowing that Lilith coming back, or Clary getting glorious is his fault.

I think Janus as a villain is so interesting because he’s quite literally just a shell of what Jace is. Reading his perspective is so interesting because it’s almost like he’s mixed himself with Sebastian. But his relationship with Ash is so interesting as well. There’s so much more interesting possibilities within Thule as well.

Kit being able to meet his mother (if she’s alive), Ty see Thule!Livvy, and there’s literally so much more. I am so excited for TWP and I hope there’s a good Thule plot for me.

[margareturtle]

Oh my god. Yes.

@cassandraclare and the entire tsc fandom; sorry to be the bearer of FANTASTIC news but Thule!Simon x Janus is the only option.

[park-carstairs]

I saw a Reddit post that said that we really don't know Magnus' birth name and all I could think of is -why do you want to know his birth name?-

We already know so much about Magnus that makes him *him*.

We know that he was taught everything about being a warlock by ragnor fell

We know that he spent most of his teenage years with the silent brothers

We know that he saved Catarina from being burned at the stake

We know that he helped Will partly because he felt guilty for not helping his father

We know that he helped Jocelyn despite hating everything that valentine had done to downworlders

We know that he takes pride in watching Clary grow up

We know that he cares so much about Raphael

We know that he loved Camille despite everything she did

We know that he had even considered giving up his immortality to live and grow old with Alec

We know that he helped the tmi gang for free because he was fond of them and he loved Alec.

We know Thule Magnus would rather die than turn into a demon.

We know that Magnus was ready to help Simon grieve his friends once they grew old and died.

We know that Magnus was the shoulder that Tessa cried on when Will died, and he will do it again when Jem dies.

We know that Magnus was willing to do anything just for Julian and Emma to be together

We already know Magnus inside and out, knowing the name given to him by the person who makes both his fondest and his most painful memories won't change anything.

[vierss-herondale]

Speaking my truth 📢📢📢

I've had the hope that we might get to see a Jonathan from another dimension where he's a good brother since we learned about Thule

I have deceived myself into thinking that if we can have an evil Jace version in TWP then Cassie could also send a good Jonathan version and meet Clary and help all the gang to save the world 🥹🥹🥹

Call me crazy but we have a Janus so… a girl can have hopes 🤷🏻‍♀️

I just want Clary to have the brother she could never have because of Valentine 😭 Even tho I know she has Simon and I love him 🫶🏻🥹