#The theory ruins Adriens character

[samsimisauser]

except for the kill switch.

The Peacock allows it's user to instantly end the existence of which ever Senti it's user Wants.

Where does that comes into play in the metaphor?

Also I personally don't think the metaphor works for the future. In 50 years anyone who picks up any Amok would still have control over anyone of them, they will never be free (which I understand that that's part of the metaphor)

This allegory for abuse goes to far, People who were abused by their caretakers might feel like they were mind controlled in hindsight, they might even fall victim to such behaviors again but

Being mind controlled by total strangers because the picked up a piece of jewelry, is not how the long term effects of childhood abuse play out.

I get that it's an allegory and doesn't match one to One but that part has never computed for me...

(For the record though I broadly Agree with your points)

Also something i want to talk about that again, some fans doesnt seem to grasp

Sentimonsters are an allegory for abuse.

Think about it. This is a kids show. It's really difficult to portrait abuse in children media, because not every case of abuse is the same.

But do you know what kids do know?

Emotions

And a sentimonsters is a creation based on an emotion. A simple concept, right?

Ok, then how parents usually explain how a kid is conceived?

Mommy and Daddy loved each other and you were born

Gabriel and Emilie also loved each other. Adrien was planned to be conceived out of their love. Love is enough, right? Adrien should have been happy, right?

Except he isn't. Because Gabriel's love turned into power hungriness and then into abuse.

Kagami was born to be the perfect descendant, and it was turned into abuse

Felix was born into a semi-loving house, but his father was abusive as well.

All of them, sentis, were conceived with a purpose, with "love" in mind. What a lot of children in abusive households tend to be born in. But that "love" is never what it is. It's about control, it's about having the power over someone who you are supposed to protect.

That's what sentimonsters are supposed to represent in the show.

It's horrible, but it's something kids can understand and adults should realize as well.

It's not about what Adrien and the others are, but how the adults, their caretakers, are using their love in such a terrifying way.

[imthepunchlord]

Actually, we do have some information about Max in the concept stage. I think this is his earliest version (which also had him tied to Nino)

Later versions of him had him be something antagonist along with Kim, and most of the class (they were all kind of jerks, like if you read some of Sabrina's old bios, you'll notice few details might have carried over into Lila.). I also think he had a crush on Sabrina at this to.

The only ones spared this treatment were Marinette, Alya, Adrien, (possibly Nino,) Alix (who was apparently going to be part of the main cast), Nathaniel (this also where his crush on Marinette came from, and think he was also supposed to be very clumsy), Juleka (who was supposed to have a crush on Nathaniel), and Rose. Also, apparently had a grandma who would have served as something of a mentor for some characters.

Let's just say a lot of the weird one-off early season one weridness makes a lot more sense when you see the concept stuff.

I had wiped the image of early concept of Nino from my mind. I was fine thinking Gavroche was like early concept thoguht for Nino/Carapace. Why would you bring this back? Why did they think that was a good design to keep around?

Either way, good to know, I take back the earlier theory/speculation. And man, Edwin looks like younger PV Felix, which makes me wonder if they were ever thought to be related. I don't think I've ever seen it proposed on what Felix's last name was going to be, maybe it was Agreste but I thought the fandom hopped onto that thought. If not, it's a good thing they changed him up. I think both Max and Nino are better design wise. And I guess that's where Nino's sudden crush on Marinette came from, it was an older concept idea that carried over.

Kim I'm not too surprised. Miraculous as a whole was lacking antagonistic boys, closest was Kim around the beginning, then he became a himbo, and then I heard he got ruined in s5. Which from what I hear, yeah that's bad, but because I haven't watched it, it's like a disconnected fact.

But yeah, this does explain a lot. And it just works off this show's record of making changes to the concept, but also just sticking with them as well and not fully committing to those changes.

[fatherfigurefusion]

AU where I give the DRDT cast original talents (plus my reasons for these talents)

Teruko Tawaki, the Ultimate Police Officer

(NGL: In addition to my theory of Wolfgang Akire getting a Teruko arc and my mental association between Teruko and Tsurugi Kinjo, the other reason I made Teruko a police officer was because of a Paw Patrol DRDT AU that had Chase as Teruko.)

Xander Matthews, the Ultimate Graphic Novelist

(He'd honestly write some pretty awesome graphic novels, probably centering around awesome adventures of rebellion and vigilantism.)

Eden Tobisa, the Ultimate Petsitter

(I only really gave her this talent due to that one remark she made in the prologue: "Do you think I walk dogs, silly?")

Hu Jing, the Ultimate Kickboxer

(I just love the mental image of a buff yet still chubby Hu who can and will beat someone up.)

J Moreno, the Ultimate Chess Grandmaster

(Just have the Rosales be a high-grade military family with J being groomed to be their best military strategist, only for her to just want to chill and play chess.)

Veronika Grebenshikova, the Ultimate Dollmaker

(She just has "dollmaker"/Jane Doe from "Ride the Cyclone" vibes.)

David Chiem, the Ultimate Part-Time Worker

(Customer service voice. Can also swap the XanVid dynamic by having David be a massive fan of Xander's graphic novels.)

Arturo Giles, the Ultimate Caterer

(Spending his whole life catering to and being surrounded by celebrities? That is Arturo's dream. Would cook the most elaborate and expensive dishes ever.)

Levi Fontana, the Ultimate Undertaker

(Maybe the indifference that comes from years of dealing with dead bodies could tie into both Levi's struggles with being seen as "heartless", despite wanting to be helpful, and Levi's friendship with the talentswapped Ace.)

Ace Markey, the Ultimate Paranormal Investigator

(A cowardly yet competent paranormal investigator is a character prompt that's too much comic gold to pass up. Also, see Levi's prompt above.)

Min Jeung, the Ultimate Archer

(I decided to swap Min's academic talent for an athletic talent, and found that archery would fit the focused and stoic Min. Also, Mafuyu Asahina.)

Whit Young, the Ultimate Model

(It's the Adrien Agreste energy. Also based around my theory that Kai and Diana would act like Whit figures for Damon, and decided to give Whit a talent that combines both Kai and Diana's talents.)

Charles Cuevas, the Ultimate Debater

(It's the Damon Maitsu energy.)

Arei Nageishi, the Ultimate News Reporter

(What better way to ruin people's lives then to dig up dirt on them and then put them on blast, on national television?)

Nico Hakobyan, the Ultimate Robotics Engineer

(Just swap out their love and understanding for animals with a love and understanding towards machines. Possible Entrapta kin.)

Rose Lacroix, the Ultimate Street Performer

(She would most likely take up busking, in order to support her family. I could easily picture her pulling multiple party tricks out of nowhere, wowing everybody around her.)

[edgybutnotveryedgy]

part 2/3

Now we are on to part 2, and after watching the season finale, I hope people are starting to see that Lila really is not what she seems. From having a secret layer in the Beach Room of the Paris Catacombs, (the part that is technically off limits) to keeping an evidence board and lots of wigs and various colored contacts. She is the most unhinged character in all of Miraculous and for that I must respect her! She’s great and anyone would be crazy to not love her. She could murder someone and that would be so her you know? Anyways speaking of having evidence boards. 

Part 1, Part 2, Part 3

Without further ado, lets get into what season 3 has to offer evidence wise in regards to my Lila theory, and let me tell you it’s a doozy. 

Chameleon

Marinette is explaining to Alya and Nino why she doesn't trust Lila.

Marinette: "Fine I'll tell you everything" *proceeds to walk to a table with Alya following her, and she grabs Nino before he goes to sit by Lila with the rest of the class who are all captivated and fawning over her. Proceeds to drag Nino to where she and Alya are going to sit*

"You remember Lila when she first came to school right after the summer break? She was only here for one day, and then she left on that round the world trip. Everyone was... Captivated by her! Something just felt... Off to me. So I... Followed her."

Alya and Nino: "What?!"

*flashback to Volpina*

Marinette: "She lies with every breath!"

Nino: "Wait. You eavesdropped on Lila and Adrien? That's not cool!"

Alya: "A good reporter always verifies her sources. Can you prove she doesn't actually know Ladybug?"

Later when Marinette is confronting Lila in the bathroom

Lila: "I only tell people what they wanna hear."

Marinette: "It's called, LYING!"

Lila: "There's nothing you can do about it anyway. People can't resist when they hear what they like to hear. If you don't wanna be my friend? Fine. But soon you won't have ANY friends left at all, and trust me. I'll make sure you never get close to Adrien in class, or anyone. You are a little less dumb than the others, so I'll give you one last chance. You're either with me, or against me. You don't have to answer right away. I'll give you till the end of class today." *walks away flipping hair while Marinette is stuck cornered in the wall still, dumbfounded*

Marinette: "I thought Chloe was Evil, but Lila really takes the whole cake! She's like a supervillain who doesn't need a costume!"

Tiki: "You mustn't let her get to you Marinette!"

Marinette: "If I don't manage to expose her Lies, she'll ruin my life Tiki! She'll turn my friends against me! Including Adrian!" *anger intensifies*

Later after marinette clumsily evades an akuma, Lila sees Adrien.

Adrien: "Hey Lila!" 

Lila: "Adrien! We'll have to figure out when you're going to help me catch up on all the schoolwork I missed! I also heard you play piano! My uncle was a great pianist from Berocha, he wanted to teach me when I was little, but I had to stop playing because of arthritis. But when my wrist gets better, I'd love for you to give me some lessons."

Adrien: "Lila. I'm perfectly happy being friends with you, and I'll gladly help you catch up on your schoolwork. But... Please don't lie to me like you did last time with Ladybug."

*Lila looks incredibly shocked, and she has a small flashback to Volpina when Ladybug called her a liar.*

Lila: "Ladybug's the liar."

Adrien: "I'm not judging you Lila. Instead of making friends, you're going to turn everyone against you. You can tell me if there's something bothering you. I can help! But you need to be honest with me." 

Lila: "Are you trying to be some superhero lecturing me just like Ladybug did? Well thanks, but no thanks. Ugh."

Lila is turned into Chameleon, and her power is that she can kiss someone which knocks them out, and then she takes their appearance.

Onichan

Lila is talking to Adrien about getting help in catching up with her schoolwork, and she sees Marinette and Alya spying in on her.

Lila: "Why don't we go to your place to do our homework? It would be so much quieter wouldn't it?"

Adrien: "My father would never agree to that. 

Lila: "I bet you I could change his mind!" *proceeds to run away while dragging Adrien* 

*Marinette and Alya follow and see Adrien and his bodyguard and Lila*

Marinette: "There's no way Adrien's bodyguard will let her in the car."

*bodyguard proceeds to let her in the car* 

Later while in the car

Lila: "What's the worst grade you've ever gotten?"

Adrien: "An A- in Math. Listen Lila, you should forget about this. My father can be harsh with anyone he thinks is an intruder."

Lila: "We're not doing anything wrong. Leave this to me." (I think it's interesting how confident she seems to be in getting everyone to do what she wants.) 

*Walking up to the house*

Nathalie: "I'm sorry Adrien, but you know your father. He-"

Lila: "Excuse me ma'am, but is there any way I could ask him directly? Just in case?" (It's interesting that she insists on asking him herself.)

Nathalie: "Mr. Agreste is busy designing, and must not be disturbed for any reason!"

Lila: (she seems kinda surprised momentarily. Not noticeably though.) 

Adrien: "I told ya so."

Lila: "Oh Adrien, I so wanted to help you make up all the school work you missed, due to all the modeling you've been doing lately. What will your father think if he finds out about your lower grades Adrien? Who will he believe?" (Lila looks toward Nathalie. I don't know. That last line seems to have a lot of weight to it.) 

Nathalie: "Adrien! Have your grades gone down?"

Lila: "He'd never tell you himself, but when I saw Adrien crying the other day because he only got an A-? I just felt like I had to offer him my help! It would have taken half an hour."

Nathalie: *briefly looks puzzled and is considering*

Lila: "I understand. You're only doing what you think is best. I did what i could Adrien. Good luck."

Nathalie: "If it's only half an hour."

Lila: "if you really insist I'll do it." *grabs Adriens arm and runs inside*

Marinette: *from outside the gate where she had been listening in.* "Seriously? How does she do that?"

Later after some shenanigans, the time is up and Lila has to leave. While leaving, Gabriel comes out of his office. Gorilla instantly steps in front of Lila to hide her. She then jumps out from behind him to introduce herself.

Lila: "Mr. Gabriel Agreste! I am such an admirer of your fashion designs. This is the best day of my life!" *Gabriel clears his throat. Lila suddenly has a brief look on her face before suddenly changing her tactic* "I know how busy you are, so I won't take up any more of your time." *runs away* "have a good evening!" *continues running*

Later after Kagami has been akumatized into Onichan, she tracks down Lila and stalks her.

*Kagami runs past, and Lila looks around suspiciously but sees no one.*

*now Lila is walking extremely nervously, looking back and forth.*

Onichan: "Lila..."

*lila looks around again and then starts running away and hides behind a wall. She seems really nervous about something or someone. She then peaks out from the corner she's hiding in*

Onichan: "Lila Rossi."

*Onichan pops up and a surprised Lila gasps*

Onichan: "I forbid you from going anywhere near Adrien! Give up on him and I will spare you."

Lila: "Adrien- I don't know anyone named Adrie-"

Onichan: "Don't lie to me!"

Lila:

"I'm really sorry but I always get what I want. It's not my fault."

(This line is really interesting to me, especially when you look at Lila's face. It looks like she's being genuine about this fact.)

Ladybug

After Lila lies to undo her other lies that got Marinette expelled, Marinette talks to her outside Mr. Damocles office.

Marinette: "People should know better. Things aren't always what they seem to be at first sight. So, look. I don't know why you felt the urge to start all this, or why all of a sudden you lied to fix this mess, but I'm glad to see you're capable if coming back to your senses. Sometimes." 

Lila:

"As you said, things aren't always what they seem to be at first sight."

Lila walks away leaving a confused Marinette.

About Chameleon 

Chameleon’s powers are the ability to look like anyone, and even to take their place by putting them into a magical sleep. Based on what we know from season 5, this may be something that should be looked at more. For me something that comes to mind is Changelings from fairy tales. Changelings are when fairies will switch places with a human infant or toddler. Rarely will you see a changeling switch with an adult, and when it does happen the replacement is usually a log or something. Even then, the contemporary idea of changelings is quite different. In a lot of modern stories, they tend to be a type of fae that is capable of transforming, and looking like another person. Going back to the original idea of changelings though, depending on the story the motivations of a changeling would be different. In some cases they were the children of fairies being sent to be raised by humans, usually because fairies weren’t as good at taking care of their own children or something. This is also why adults would be taken and replaced, so that the fairies could make them become servants and nurses for their own children. Of course this still depends on the story, as there are other motivations as well. Sometimes the changeling is a fully grown fairy replacing the child, because the fairies wanted a human child for whatever reason. Sometimes the reason is to raise it as their own, other times it is to have it become a servant when it's older, etc. I’m not suggesting that Lila is a changeling, or even a fairy, but I do think the similarities are interesting, and who’s to say she isn’t perhaps some kind of fae or even half fae of some kind. There really isn’t a whole lot known about her at this point, and to be honest, this could be interesting.

About Onichan 

While we’re on the topic of possible backstories for Lila, I think we should be asking what Lila was so afraid of in Onichan. She seems so uncharacteristically afraid. Especially considering that as far as she knows the only people who know she is lying are Adrien and Marinette, and neither of them are a threat. Of course anyone would be scared if some invisible voice was calling out their name ominously, but still. This makes me think that there may be something she’s running from. Maybe there’s a reason for why she is taking on so many identities as we see in season 5. I’m sure that many have seen the season 5 finale at this point, and I can’t help but wonder if perhaps there’s a connection between her fear in this episode as well as whatever that was at the end of recreation. And do not tell me that this was the ghost of Gabriel, or Nooroo. As far as I’m concerned, this is a completely new thing that we haven’t seen in the show yet. Maybe it’s Tomoe, or maybe it’s Majestia’s evil sister Ignoblia! She did make an appearance in Reunion after all, so maybe she’s going to be in season 6. There are so many possibilities, but I do think that it may be something relating to Lila’s past. If someone has that many secret identities, then they’re bound to have a few enemies they’re hiding from. 

Lastly let's talk about Onichan for a minute. What Lila says, "I'm really sorry but I always get what I want. It's not my fault", this line has been really getting the gears in my brain going. I can’t help but to think that if she does have powers, then they go beyond just lying. Lying is merely a tool. I would suggest that she has a natural charm about her that makes people just like her and want to be around her. Whether she wants this or not. Another character with a similar ability that comes to mind is Piper McLean from the Heroes of Olympus book series by Rick Riordan. This power is called Charm speak. On the fan wiki it is described as “a type of hypnotism or persuasion in which it allows the speaker to convince someone else to do or get whatever they want”. Obviously I don’t think that Miraculous is in any way connected to the Riordanverse, (although that would make a fun au), but I do think it’s possible that Lila may have a similar power to Piper. This would explain why everyone's IQ apparently goes down to double digits whenever she’s around. It’s like they’re compelled to do what she says. To take this further, we can look at what Marinette says to Alya in Chameleon. “You remember Lila when she first came to school right after the summer break? She was only here for one day, and then she left on that round the world trip. Everyone was... Captivated by her! Something just felt... Off to me.” Like i know that everyone just thinks she happens to be good at lying/in some cases people claim that the writers just suck, but if you ask me this feels far more like foreshadowing and quite frankly I’m disappointed that no one else has picked up on this yet. Like I could rant all day about how confused I am at the fact that not once has someone considered that maybe Lila isn’t just a good liar. (In all fairness I watch way too many ARG videos/Gravity Falls changed the way I watch cartoons/I grew up watching unhinged cartoon and video game theories about adventure time and zelda so………). Back to what I was saying though, the evidence is right there. Lila is absolutely a liar, but she has a lot more to her than simply telling a goofy lie about saving a rockstars kitten that he probably never had from a runway.

Part 1, Part 2, Part 3

[redtriangle]

Thomas Astruc Seriously? Where to begin? The fact that Thomas Astruc, the creator of Miraculous Ladybug, is mainly responsible for ruining Chloe’s character and the entire show story with his bad writing and influence since episode Miracle Queen, Season 4, and Season 5, if not always been from the very beginning for some longtime fans. When I heard about “Adrien is a Sentimonster” theory even I was still new to the show, I promised myself a long time ago that I will never forgive him if were true. I won’t forgive him. I don’t know if I should say this but given what he have done to Miraculous…  I hate him.

Why draw him you ask? How do I put this?

To put this simply. I need to vent out my frustration through art like I did on All-Americus/All-Ameriquilicus way back. And I want to show everyone who can see this the villain he is; least how I picture him. I mean, look at his face, at those eyes, filled with so much anger, hate, and even arrogance, able to get away with what he have done and do however he like without regards for others as if he’s the Miraculous God.

But as much I hate him, I can still give him the decency to make him a cool-looking badass character as I can.

And just to let you know, this is my AU version of the show’s Astruc, his ‘avatar’ and not the actual Astruc in Real-Life despite the similarities. Thomas Almighty

Basically, Thomas Astruc turned into God, or what he supposed to be.

I’ll admit, I was kind of lazy with his design, his clothes are still the same just turned white. But then again, I’m sure that how he prefer to dress even as “God”.

So basically, he is the Miraculous version of Chuck/God from Supernatural; write his story how sees fit not how bad or the hurt on other people.

I also admit my selection of his exact powers are half-baked. I mean, in terms of reality-warping, what can and can’t do? He is not really a god, he’s a man pretending to be a god, thanks to Hawkmoth. In fact, that’s the overall theme, he is powerful to almost godlike but he is still a man, an irrational man that is.

And his name, I just add “Almighty” like from the movies Evan Almighty or Bruce Almighty.Name: Thomas Almighty

Akumatized Object: Unknown

Cause of Akumatized? Unknown, possibly his hatred for Chloe and for Jeremy Zag and his studio cutting him off or we different direction from his plan

Powers: - Super-Strength - Super-Speed - Super-Durability - High Stamina - Flight - Teleportation

- Near-Invulnerability - Immortality

- Reality-Warping: — Matter Manipulation: Transform, create/transmute, control, and destroy any matter even at an atomic level and on living things physically. — Energy Manipulation: Control, absorb, emit or create any forms of energy; especially pure energy

— Spatial Manipulation: Control spaces and dimensions around him. — Weather Control

— Gravity Control

— Time Control (Limited)

Weakness and Limitation: - Cannot brainwash or mind control intelligent living beings

- Cannot rewrite fate of people or happenings of the world or Universe - Cannot control time entirely or time travel

- Don’t have psychic powers if not low-powered - Susceptible to psychic or mental attacks

These are just the first taste of my Evil!Astruc series.

Miraculous Ladybug made by Thomas Astruc & Zagtoon Drawn by Redtriangle (me)

[princess-of-the-corner]

I’ve always really disliked the idea of Adrien and Felix being Sentimonsters.

I mean, I don’t think the concept itself is inherently bad, but that clearly wasn’t something the writers had in mind before the introduction of the Peacock Miraculous. We only see hints of Adrien being a Sentimonster after the theory became popular in the ML fandom. There aren’t any moments in seasons 1 or 2 where we can go back and say “oh, now that we know he’s a Sentimonster, that makes a lot more sense.”

And it honestly makes the whole show and it’s world building all the more needlessly complicated and convoluted. Like, if Adrien was a Sentimonster the whole time, and Gabriel had his Amok, how the heck would it even be possible for Adrien to disobey his father and attend school in Origins?

YEAH NO LIKE

So!!

In /theory/, I don't mind the plot of 'they were Sentimonsters all along'. I don't mind the idea of other added in characters like Kagami or Zoé being Sentimonsters.

Honestly I kinda love the existential discussion that can come from such characters. At what point does programming become a person? Is artificial life truly real? So on and so forth. Anything from the Velveteen Rabbit to Chobits to I, Robot.

But yeah there are. There are so many plot holes.

Adrien is able to disobey Gabriel for the first two and a half seasons. Not even 'wiggle out with loopholes' but just straight up disobey.

Gabriel and Nathalie never sense that Chat Noir is a Sentimonster.

When Gabriel suspects Adrien of being Chat Noir, he doesn't use the Amok to force Adrien to tell the truth.

The Peacock Miraculous can casually create Sapient Life. This is not an issue for Ladybug killing them though.

So on and so forth.

Hell, Sentimonsters weren't even introduced until /the last five minutes of Season 2/.

Which brings me to another point re: the lack of setting this up: the actual lack of setup.

Let's compare this to two other recent series that did mystery/reveals WELL. Gravity Falls and Steven Universe. SPoilers for both of these ahead.

Gravity Falls had the reveal of Ford overall.

They set this up from episode one. The mystery of the Author of the Journals, Stan seeming to know more than he lets on, etc. Throughout the next season and a half, we got little hints to all of that. Some more subtle than others. But enough that the fandom caught on!

And it was a good mystery that even when we thought we were going to be proved wrong, thanks to Alex Hirsch trolling us with McGucket, there was still enough evidence to it.

Which made everyone scream when Ford actually showed up and confirmed that Stan had a secret twin who wrote the Journals.

Steven Universe had the reveal of Rose Quartz being Pink Diamond.

Throughout just Season 1, we are introduced to hints. Gems can shapeshift. Rose had secrets. There was a Gem Rebellion that Rose was the leader of. The Diamonds exist. Old ruins on Earth show an insignia with white, blue, yellow and pink diamonds, while modern ships show only white, blue and yellow. All sketches of Steven/Rose's Gem include it being diamond-shaped but just pointed inward.

And even when we get the reveal of Pink Diamond's existence, though thinking that Rose killed her, that's still a good reveal that made sense and builds up the next half of the mystery Rose being Pink.

These were great! They were good mysteries and had the fans going very early on!

And again, compare it to ML, who doesn't start this big mystery/reveal until half way into Season 3.

[eggheadsguidetorunning]

The Adrien isn't a Sentimonster Theory

One of the common problems within the area of fan theory is that fandoms tend to find the theory they like and champion it instead of pointing out other contradicting theories and trying to see how they could work. I invite you to think with me on this idea of Adrien not being a sentimonster. To put aside your personal preference towards one theory and try to clearly think on the possibility that the theory is wrong and what that means. That is what this is about a thought expermint or look into how it could be possible that Adrien is not a sentimonster what that would mean and how that could work.

The first question then to ask is why would Adrien as a sentimonster not work? A answer to this question if taken down would go a long way at explaining why Adrien maybe is not a sentimonster, and as it stands I only see one really good reason why it is hard to argue that Adrien is not a sentimonster and that is that the foreshadowing the show has given looks like the writers deliberately lying to you to pull a "ha, fooled you" which would ruin the integrity of the show. This does not have to be the case though and here I will attempt to explain why.

Foreshadowing is used for prompting the audience in something to come up later in the text of a material however, the comparison between Adrien and a sentimonster is not foreshadowing but simply comparison. See the point of Adrien being shown to have some sentimonster characteristics is not to make you think he is a sentimonster but to make you wonder what is the difference between him and a sentimonster. To which the answer is not a lot. The extent of Gabriel's controlling nature and the nature of Adrien's life and his own personality have left him completely and totally terrified and cowed by his father. The failure to follow instructions has nothing to do with being controlled by an amok but Adrien might as well be controlled by one their is not much difference. Adrien stuck at his door wanting to disobey his father's order to go downstairs and help is similar to the actions of a sentimonster being asked to follow or obey an order but it could very well also just be the actions of a kid terrified to disobey his father.

This is the work around some problems are that this is the point of making Adrien a sentimonster in the first place to communicate this helplessness to other kids for them to better understand the situation. Therefore, this type of reading is a more adult reading that can be determined by adults more easily due to more experience in the world and seeing these events.

At the same time this counter argument is a little unsatisfying it makes an assumption that kids cannot understand things or relate their own experiences to a character. This reading of Adrien as not a sentimonster might be more confusing to kids in better relationships with their parents, but would seem to be more understandable by kids in bad relationships with their parents.

It is an interesting thought to dwell on.

[seekinghelp-adhd]

Alright. I've been convinced.

No spoilers for anything past Multiplication here because I haven't seen anything past Kwami's Choice part 1 and don't want to ruin it for anyone else. Tagged as spoilers just in case.

If you had asked me just, like, a month or two ago, I would have told you there was no way that Adrien was a sentimonster. I would have said that was an unsatisfying conclusion for his character. I would have said it was too dark for a show targeted toward younger audiences. I would have said the evidence for that theory was all either circumstantial or filtered through confirmation bias.

If you were to tell me right now, after I've seen Risk, Strikeback, Evolution, and Multiplication, that Adrien is NOT a sentimonster, I would say that you're in denial. I would remind you of how Gabriel flinched, looking almost scared, when Felix stood up to him while he wasn't wearing his ring, as if for the first time in his life he didn't have control. I would remind you that ever since Nathalie's been given that ring, Gabriel has stopped commanding Adrien and has instead started manipulating Adrien, as if for the first time in his life just giving him a direct order isn't going to work. I would remind you that in this show there are three separate high-class families with strong connections to each other and unrestricted access to the peacock miraculous with single parents raising their only children - children who are each socially awkward in their own ways and have similar struggles comprehending the people around them - because their significant other is simply not there. I would remind you that in a future that has since been erased, Adrien fought alongside his father and handed over his miraculous after trying so desperately to resist his father's commands that it seemed to be causing physical pain, only to slip into an exhausted, nearly emotionless version of himself who did whatever his father asked of him without question before he was ever akumatized into Ephemeral.

I could write that off as a high stress moment and some weird animation. I could write off Gabriel's constant twisting of his ring as just a nervous tick. I could write off Felix's strange obsession with two very plain silver rings and his willingness to trade literally every miraculous ever for just one of them as just a wacky villain plot. However, taking all of these things into account with the changes in Gabriel we've seen this season after he stopped wearing the ring, I can no longer entertain the thought that Adrien is just a normal boy like everyone else. This kid is a sentimonster 100%.

[ilikelookingatthings]

Honestly I thought Adrien being sidelines was important specifically for gabriel. If we take betterfly as the best version of Gabriel that means the times gabe ISN"T being a dick are sincere(easier to see this in the earlier seasons) and how most of us thought Gabe being that cruel when he finds out adrien was chat felt out of character and odd when we've seen gabe care(not great at showing it but sincere).

I actually thought the issue was Gabe has been making himself unstable like one of his akuma victims using his miraculous the wrong way all this time coupled with how he ampliphies his own negative emotions, his grief, his sense of failure, his desperation and hsi hyper fixation to get the akuma victims to focus on getting him the miraculouses. He akumatized himself which he admited he didn't know the side affects of that, used his miraculous the wrong way over and over and over again when we've seen side affects just from using it ONCE with your emotions off like mari's miraclous powering down immeditaley when she used it due to jealousy in bubbler to seperate chloe and adrien, let alone master fu and feast/the sentimonster. and how qucikly side affects can appear due to what we saw with the peacock.

Gabe made a split with his hawkmoth persona to get the power to get the wish to save his wife...but we've seen if gabe is exposed as gabe to adrien enough he CAN be reasoned with sometimes or seem to calm down....this can be seen as adrien grounding gabe and reminding him of his intial motivation to get the miraculous and even with nathalie..nathalie getting hurt grounded gabe for a while due to her assosiation with his civilian side.

as hawkmoth gabe tends to get noticable more agressive, more difficult to reason with and tends to make dumb mistakes and get hyper fixated.

I always thought that if gabe was 'normal' he would understandably balk at the idea of adrien being chat simlar to how he reacted when his 'theory' to prove adrien was chat didn't result in adrien transforming.

so I thought the reason gabe doesn't react that way is because finding out adrien is chat triggers his hawkmoth persona to come more forward since hawkmoth has been amplifying his negative emotions in association with ladybug and chat noir. the hawkmoth part of him taking center stage over the gabriel part in that scenerio.

and that the reason Adrien was left out of the fight was because if gabe found out adrien was chat it would be WAY harder to try to talk him down or reason with him since one of the things tethering Gabe was Civilian Adrien.

and that they were trying to go for a parallel to collector(one of the times gabe's apologies to adrien seemed sincere and thorough in admitting that Gabe himself was the one with issues despite adrien taking the book without permission) and how gabe was pretty reasonable and showed his good side by understanding and not snapping at mari for 'taking' the miraculous book. even answering some of her questions and agreeing to not tell adrien that marinette returned the book as he saw it was brave of her to come forward with the book when she had every reason to believe she would get in trouble for it.

With Adrien/chat being there in the influence he has on Mari...as she was more willing to reach out and see that Gabe/Hawkmoth needed help...as Mari tends to be the stubborn one who IS a good person but tends to be stricter with bad behavior and not letting people get away with stuff.....while Adrien/Chat tends to be the one who helps remind Mari/LB to look closer at people and that people are complex.

I mean the Chloe being irredeemable thing messes that up a bit since the show had been teaching mari that aspect using Chloe so them making chloe irredeemable kindof ruins that lesson and why mari would be willing to give hawkmoth/Gabe a shot of understanding...even more when he had been the worst that season.

But I thought it was similar to like how akuma victims can't really think clearly in the heat of the negative emotions. With the tragedy being that Gabe might have genuinely been good before but had twisted himself due to his use of his miraculous in the wrong way so he was experiencing symptoms like his akuma victims without a easy fix. and that Gabe isolating himself from his loved ones to focus on saving the mom actually drove him deeper into that side effect to make a parallel and contrast to how marinette when she got too hyper focused on being a good guardian stopped listening to everyone properly where she had to realize she was making that mistake.

That way it would explain the few good aspects of Gabriel and how the dude could be someone like Betterfly under the right circumstances while not dismissing the way Gabe was getting cartoonishly horrible and doing things that made little sense for his motivation and missed what seemed like obvious fixes to get what he actually wanted(like him missing the time travel route to save the mom).

Coupled of course with him not being chosen, using his miraculous the wrong way, and using multiple ones that can put a strain on the user and which can canonically drive someone into insanity.

In retrospect, it's pretty clear why Adrien wasn't there to learn Monarch was his father in The Final Day.

Namely because "Chat Blanc" and "Ephemeral" each explained why.

His intense emotions over seeing his mother and learning his father became a villain in order to save her would be too good of an opportunity to akumatize him against Ladybug.

Thus Adrien benching himself is essentially the reason why Marinette was able to knock the Moth Miraculous off Gabriel and talk him down.

However... this only means that there's an extra layer of despair painted upon what would've been Adrien's angst over his father's dark secret. Clearly, his father's "sacrifice" is what keeps him going in believing his final moments were heroic.

So what happens when Adrien learns that not only was his father trying to bring back Emilie and became a villain to do so but that he also went out after causing Operation: Alliance to start with. No way to confront his father about this reveal and even Nathalie would be hard pressed for a straight answer.

Hell, I can imagine him crossing the line and forcing Plagg to spill the beans at his direct command. He and Marinette have been good in never, if ever, enforcing rules upon Tikki or Plagg so... woo.

And with Lila likely possessing this information be it from what Hoaxer got out of Nathalie or Nooroo, something tells me that we're in for something far, FAR worse than Chat Blanc if that's even feasibly possible. Perhaps only that the Lucky Charm can't easily undo.

Aaaaaaaaaand that's why there was more of a benefit to keep Adrien to the side for Season 5's finale. If you can't feel the storm that's slowly brewing, better get an umbrella now.

[iwasbored777]

If Marinette was a guy, let me tell you what would've happened. People would go WILD for a sensitive, artistic and cute boy who's lovesick and a big romantic. Him having Adrien's photos would never be a big deal bc from a long time, fandom is apologetic and too forgiving of a male characters action. He wouldn't be called a stalker, he would be called protective and so possessive and cute. I've seen ppl defend a guy who drugs the mc and sexually assaulted her. Trust me, this won't be a problem.

I know! Literally the only male main characters who get crap for their behaviour are Danny Zuko from Grease, Noah from Notebook, Howard Volovitz from Bug Bang Theory (who btw had character development unlike Raj who ACTUALLY deserves hate but doesn't get it) and Ross Geller from Friends. Everyone else is totally fine.

I know the praise for being "good fathers" Homer Simpson from Simpsons and Richard Waterson from The Amazing World Of Gumball get when they are both sh*tty fathers and sh*tty husbands.

Homer always whines about how much he hates his life and his own family and his job and literally all his friends tell him they would die for a life like that but he doesn't appreciate it. Every time Marge told him to do something useful for their household he doesn't want to do it and she has to. For a while I loved him because he's hands down the funniest character in the show until he found out Marge is going to see a therapist every week from how unhappy she is with her life, instead of talking about that to her and trying to make their marriage better, he chose not to tell her anything because he thinks the therapy is enough, he didn't even feel sorry for her because after therapy she's always cooking good meals and is in mood for s*x so it works for him. Every time he ruined something she made he gets rewarded in the end of the episode, and she and their kids always forgive him. He literally doesn't even care about Maggie, always makes Lisa's life harder, and HE LITERALLY CHOKES BART AND PEOPLE SEE THAT AS FUNNY AND NO ONE EVER CALLED IT OUT! Bart literally has trauma from that, it was established in the show and the movie. You know who is hated in that show? Lisa. Lisa, who is one of the sweetest characters and one of my favourite characters I relate so much to, is hated because of her religion, Homer is loved for being a jerk.

Richard Waterson is so bad my own grandma hated him! He does literally nothing around the house and kids, Nicole has to work and take care of three freakin children AND the household but he can get away with everything and people even see him as a good guy who "tries his best" because he spends all day in bed eating junk food.

Peter Griffin and Quagmire from Family Guy are also horrible characters. Peter is a bad father who hates his daughter and Quagmire is a LITERAL r*pist and people not only love Peter but also laugh at Quagmire's r*pe jokes and scenes where they hinted that he r*ped someone.

Patrick Star from Spongebob Squarepants is so bad that I was a kid and I already hated him. He's treating Spongebob like cr*p and uses him and Spongebob always has to apologise cuz HOW DARE HE BE MAD AT HIS BEST FRIEND WHO'S ALSO THE WORST FRIEND YOU COULD EVER HAVE and Patrick is so popular he even got a spin-off show.

Aaron Samuels from Mean Girls was the biggest hypocrite ever and no one hates him, everyone hates the main female character who was also a hypocrite but you know how it goes - she learned her lesson, she became a better person, and he got rewarded even though he's still a jerk and he doesn't even realize he's a jerk.

I already wrote about My Best Friend's Wedding and Made of Honor being two movies with the same plot but MBFW has a female lead and MoH has male lead and the female lead also suffered the consequences and learned her lesson and she lost and EVERYONE EVERYWHERE hates her, you won't see anyone on the Internet who loves her, but no one hates him who won by doing something terrible, never learned his lesson and never faced the consequences. She can't be with a guy she loves but he can be with a girl he loves and she is terrible he's not, he's a hero.

In that movie Emma the main character who's wonderful ended up with a guy who was is always criticising her and yelling at her and I don't see people complaining about that.

Gumball in The Amazing World Of Gumball is a really bad kid. He's selfish and mean for no reason and no one hates him and he doesn't get character development but you know what? I'm glad no one hates him cuz he's just a kid - and so is Marinette. Gumball is actually the most accurate representation of a kid his age. But he doesn't receive criticism for stuff Marinette receives criticism all the time, even when doing something bad wasn't in her intentions. I would rather want them to criticise his father Richard if they have to criticise someone but no way they'll get criticism cuz they are male characters.

Maxim Lavrov from The Kitchen is literally THE WORST main character I've ever seen in my life and I watched so much stuff. He is constantly stalking Victoria, his on-off girlfriend, literally 70% of times they had s*x that was because he literally forced her to do it even when she told him to let her go and that is seen as hot but actually that's r*pe, he stole her documents so she can't travel with other guy when they broke up, he poked holes on her tires to prevent her from leaving with someone else, he stole her medical records in hospital when she was pregnant to see if the baby was his, he spread rumours that she is dating their boss who's married and that she would date anyone who can buy her stuff, he fought his rival out of jealousy, he cheated on her twice with the same woman, he didn't want to do anything around their apartment and she had to everything herself when they got married, he didn't like her for being "too perfect", he dated the girl he cheated with the first time he broke up with Victoria and when karma did it's work and he got cheated on he pursued Victoria immediately as if he would actually date her again if he didn't break up with this girl and when Victoria didn't want to date him he blamed her for their relationship failing and he called her a gold digger, he always grabbed her by her hand forcefully and he was really rough with her when she didn't want to talk even when she was pregnant, he followed her everywhere ALL THE TIME and spied on her. I think only my mom and I can't stand him. Everyone else loves him on the fan page and everyone who's seen the show. They love him. The only consequence he suffered was when she broke up with him both times when he cheated but even in the end of the show they didn't get together but they were in good terms and they worked at the same place and he was allowed to take care of their daughter with her and he got a promotion too. Without even trying.

Shrek literally signed a contract to get rid of his family and I feel like I'm the only one who hated him in that movie, no one complains about that character downgrade cuz like how tf do you disown everyone you love and still get a reward in the end?!

Raymond, Robert and Frank from Everybody Loves Raymond are treating their wives horribly, no one said anything about them. They are all horrible, you don't know which one is worse. In fact, ELR makes abuse Debra, Raymond's wife, has to suffer from his family funny.

Fallon and Adam from Dynasty - Fallon always works on being a better person even when she breaks a vase while Adam kills people and all is forgiven

I'm sure there are a lot more other examples and these are just a few, but female characters ALWAYS suffer the consequences in stuff I watched. I don't remember ever seeing a female character cheating her partner and getting away with it, a male character is always forgiven for cheating after the female character is really hurt, she always forgives him and they are a happy couple. And don't tell me about rom com jerks who get the girl every time for treating her terribly. Also women in rom coms are shallow if they choose a hot tall bf but male characters can choose women who look like literal supermodels and that's totally not shallow. I just hate these stereotypes. "If male character did it they would get cancelled" I literally grew up watching male characters who never changed and those toxic ones ended up as a pop culture icons. It's a rare case when a male character's behaviour is called out.

Bish I literally had to watch people draw Chat Noir punching Ladybug and people saying he should do it in the comments and him getting praised when he yelled at her and that's totally fair from our fandom? That's not gender equality, that's misogyny.

[gale-gentlepenguin]

I know I made a LOT of sh*t posts about Sentimonsters.

So I feel I should clarify my real feelings on what I think of Adrien being a sentimonster..

Let’s start with the positives:

1. Adrien’s struggle is not minimized because he can be magically controlled. All the neglect and abuse is still very much real and it shouldn’t be dismissed because he is a sentimonster. Gabriel and Emilie treated Adrien like their son. Raised him from being a baby. He has thoughts, feelings, and a will of his own. So regardless of all statements, Adrien IS a Person. He just isn’t born a traditional way. Or as Mewtwo says:

2. Adrien being a sentimonster gives a reason on why Emilie and Gabriel have the miraculous with a justified reason without it being malicious. Which allows for some sort of rationale.

3. Adrien is given a clear way of attaining his freedom in a physical way that can represent to the audience.

4. It doesn’t change anything about Adrien’s personality and anyone using the amok to control him is just using it like a remote or magic spell so any actions he is forced to do can actually be dismissed should someone force him to do evil. Which is amusing because in season 1, chat noir got controlled a LOT. So in this regard the theory is consistent.

Those facts being said let’s talk about the negatives

1. The show is not consistent with this because there are episodes that clearly ignore he is one. (Miracular and chat blanc to name a few) this is my main problem.

2. The treatment of sentimonsters has been mainly awful, even the human passing ones. The only human sentimonster that is treated remotely like a person outside of Adrien and Felix was sentibug. And even then she was poofed easily right after gaining sentience. If the show wants to make Adrien and Felix sentimonsters yet (Special) they need to really clarify what makes them different for the audience. (This can be rectified but needs to be made clear)

3. The same effect could have been accomplished if the rings were made to control Adrien and Felix. Seriously, just have like the rings either be sentimonsters, or be a microscopic creature that is inside Adrien and Felix that controls them like an obedience chip. It still allows for Adrien and Felix to be controlled and allows for the control to still be broken in a clear way.

4. There is no true way of Adrien and Felix being able to live peacefully so long as the peacock miraculous can thanos them in an instant.

In the end I still do not like the sentimonster business. But saying it ruins Adrien or Felix as characters is bullshit. My complaints about it are mainly from the mechanics set by writing not by the characters being affected.

I also should mention. This is my opinion and no one has to agree with it. I would love to hear counterpoints

[car-toons]

My Thoughts on the Sentimonster Theory

As someone who loves Adrien and his character arc, I have not talked about the sentimonster theory once on this blog. And honestly, I felt like there was no need to talk about it until we got Ephemeral and even then, I wanted to wait. But now that Risk is out and presents some clear evidence, I simply cannot ignore it anymore.

I did not like the sentimonster theory initially, and I thought the theory was pretty “out there” theory wise. When the fandom freaked out about the scene in Mega Leech where Gabriel twists the ring, I thought nothing of it. I thought it was coincidental. My perspective then changed when Ephemeral came out. The twisting of the ring was more evident and Adrien’s drastic shift from resisting the akuma to succumbing so quickly shook me to my core. How could someone make such a drastic switch like that, and the camera focuses directly on the ring as well. My doubts were on the rise. The episode Gabriel Agreste reaffirms this with Gabriel’s desperation to get Felix’s ring back and when he tells Felix that he could just snap his fingers to ruin his life.

And of course, this brings us to Risk. There are two scenes I want to point out. First, when Gabriel hands the ring to Natalie, he tells her to not only protect his wife’s ring, but his son. I screamed, I’m not gonna lie. After he said that, I took it as proof of canon, that Adrien is indeed a sentimonster.

However, the show wanted to drive the point home when Felix (disguised as Adrien) stands up to Gabriel and Gabriel looks at him in shock when his ring is missing. Gabriel has this fear of Adrien not listening to him because it could compromise his identity as Shadowmoth. In his mind, if Adrien does not obey, his curiosity could lead him to the unwanted truth. He is trying to keep Adrien safe and when Adrien starts to question this, Gabriel does not have a response for him except to tell him to obey with the ring. When it’s gone, he is lost. The music in the background is telling as well, and the strings create this sense of emotion for the audience to realize that what we feared is true. It also represents Gabriel’s fear as well, which is an artistic choice that executed the importance of this moment really well.

But what do I think of Adrien being a sentimonster? At first, I hated the prospect of it because I thought it would ruin his character since he’s technically not human. But now, I think it actually enhances his development. The only difference between a human and a sentibeing is that a sent being is created through the connection of an object and if someone else has that object, then they have the ability to have control over them.

Think back to the episode Ladybug. When Chat Noir describes the Ladybug sentimonster, he says this…

But she's so much more elaborate than any of those we've faced before! She's so perfect, there's nothing monstrous about her at all! - Chat Noir

Sentimonsters are NOT monstrous UNLESS they are made to be monstrous. The Ladybug sentimonster was made to be a perfect representation of the real Ladybug. And as a fandom, we all LOVED sentibug! When she was given her own freedom, she acted just as human as any other and since she is a copy of Ladybug, she acted like Ladybug would act (again, RIP sentibug).

So back to Adrien. We can all agree Adrien is NOT monstrous at all and, in fact, he is quite the opposite. He is described as “perfect” and I call him “sunshine boy” here on this blog for a reason. He represents the goodness in a life full of lore, evil, secrets, and controversy, yet he makes a deliberate choice to be his own individual. Adrien wanted to go to school, gain friendships, and live a life of freedom as Chat Noir. All of these are things his father is against. Adrien COULD be an awful and terrible person, and yet, he isn’t. Him being a sentimonster DOES NOT CHANGE THAT! This new revelation adds another layer to Adrien’s doubt in his identity and is going to push him to learn and grow about himself. He is going to grow and develop after he finds out, no matter what.

I know there are individuals who are afraid of what the sentimonster theory conformation is going to do to Adrien’s character development. As someone who has watched many shows at a deep level, I can be the first to tell you that character development is never a straight path, there are highs and lows. Imagine a graph that starts at 0, character development zig zags up and down the graph as the line steadily increases. I would say the Adrienette ship looks like that, with it starting at the very bottom and zig zagging with the transition ships, but now, Marinette and Adrien are stronger together than ever before. When looking at Adrien specifically, the sentimonster theory is a sharp turning point for his development, but he is going to steadily learn more about himself.

That is the beauty of development, and cartoons that present it in this zig zag pattern shows the realness of how we as people grow and develop. Sometimes, we go through seasons where we have met that peak of growth and self actualization. There are also times where we fall down and cannot climb back out of the hole we dug ourselves in. Adrien is going through the same patterns, and his arc is a representation of how we feel as individuals. My point is that Adrien is human in spirit, and him being a sentimonster is just another layer he needs to fight before he reaches his peak in development. Once he gets the object containing his amok, he can live a normal life just like everybody else. He can do what he wants. He can accomplish his dreams. He can love those who care for him.

And yes, Marinette and Adrien getting together despite Adrien being a sentibeing is not weird. Remember, Adrien has a human spirit since he wants to live a life like everybody else. No fears in that regard, I still ship the Love Square with all my being!

I don’t know what Strike Back has in store for us, but I do know that Adrien’s story is going to get deeper and more complicated with this new revelation. I don’t see Adrien’s character differently, but I see this as another obstacle he has to overcome. And I know I will be rooting for him as he enters that fight.

[nothingtherefornow]

You summed up perfectly why this long-awaited revelation of Lila's true nature in front of her classmates and teachers tasted terribly bitter and disappointing.

Because in the end, if Sabrina hadn't finally decided to grow a conscience, Lila and Chloe's plan would have perfectly worked. Marinette's so-called friends would have entirely believed that she was guilty, that she really tried to sabotage their future out of jealousy and resentment.

And on top of being unfairly expelled and having such a serious transgression, of which she was never guilty of, permanently imprinted on her school record could have ruined Marinette's future, Marinette would have also lost all her friends. Even her parents would have believed in those lies, and their relationship with their daughter would have seriously deteriorated.

And Adrien, too used to being silenced by authority figures, and knowing that his worlds would be disreguarded by his so-called friends, he would have remained helpless and silent in the face of his girlfriend's horrible distress.

The only reason why Marinette escaped such misfortune and slander, she owes it not to the friends and allies she trusts to the point of entrusting them with miraculous, but to one of her former tormentors.

If Marinette's classmates had been just that, classmates, acquaintances with whom Marinette wasn't particularly close to, their behavior and reactions would have made sense. Yet they're supposed to be her friends, people Marinette feels that she can rely on behind her mask, that she can allow to be temporary heroes, yet none of them seem able to return the support and trust she has always given them.

And worst of all, neither of them apologized to Mainette, Kagami at least had not only acknowledged her mistakes in believing Lila's lies so easilly, but deeply regretted her misjudgment and asked for forgiveness to those she harmed under Lila's influence.

I just ... really can't understand why the writers are making Marinette's supposed friends in such a way, that's not how friends behave, and it pains me that the writers might think that's how friendship works.

How can i appreciate the temporary heroes which are so often promoted, while knowing that they make very poor friends for the main character ? I know they are guenuilly good people, better that what most classmates in real life are, but their lack of faith in Marinette is hurting the heroin, and I don't think this is right to show that it's okay to remain friend with people whose can mistrust you so easilly in favor of somoene who always hurt you.

It's so unfair, because Marinette shouldn't have had to rely on the help of a former bully to thwart Lila's plans. Even if it was good for Sabrina's redemption, the way they turned things out in this episode demonstrated that ialso shows that Apart from Socqueline, Luka, Zoé, Adrien and even Kagami, Marinette's friendships are very fragile, and it seems like she can't even count on the one she considers her best friend.

And yet ... There may be another potential explanation about why the ml writters are portrayng things this way :

The ml authors must integrate so many plot points in such a short time that sometimes they simplify many progressions by giving the characters attitudes and decision-making that are very questionable and that sometimes seem out of character. It's a form of scripwritting ease, and it can indeed sometimes mess up the writting.

Thus I have this theory that the ml writers put Marinette in a situation where her own friends can hurt her and deeply disappoint her (even though she doesn't seem to realize it yet) to set the stage for her future akumatization in either season 6 or season 7.

We already had Adrien/Chat Noir akumatized twice, and they never risked akumatizing Marinette before because it could have meant Gabriel's victory served on a silver platter. But I beleive season 6 and 7 will change a lot of statut quo from before, that this time akumatizing Marinette will be possible, especially know that it was established that Marinette has allies to whom she can entrust the ladybug's miraculous, allies who know her secret identity.

But if they want to go toward the akumanette road for the future seasons, especially with Lila being the future butterfly miraculous, they'll probably want to really push Marinette to her limits, more than they've ever done before, and put her in a situation where she really feels like she's all alone. And what better way for that than to have Marinette own family and friends hurting her in a way that she finally doubts their love for her ? Hurting her in a way that for the first time, Marinette finally feels anger and betrayal at them for turning against her so easilly, as if her own love and friendship never meant anything to them ? Especially now that we know Lila can still manipulate people under another fake identity, and has proven that she could also fool Marintte's own mother.

This is the only explanation that makes sense to me, because if the ml writters are able to show serious subjects on screen like school bullying or parental abuse, and in such a representative way of reality, why would they have a such a discouraging view of friendship ?

But this is only speculation on my part, every fictitious work has their flaws, and maybe some of mirculous writting of it's side and secondary characters is just one of those.

Liar Revealed

So Marinette and Sabrina worked together to lure Lila into a false sense of security that eventually led up to her spilling everything in front of an audience she was unaware of. Now everyone knows she’s been lying about everything, she’s a horrible person, and she and Chloé are about to be expelled for good… After 7 years, the fandom finally got what it wanted.

…then why do I feel like I’ve actually wasted those 7 years of my life? 

Buckle up, ‘cause this is going to be a long ride.

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[howhow326]

I read the Miraculous Ladybug show Bible leak

I'm not going to post any spoilers, that's not the point of this post. The point of this post is that Miraculous Ladybug is not a show that has tropes in it. Miraculous Ladybug lives, breathes, and dies by a list of ridiculously toxic tropes that masquerades as a show. Again, no spoilers on this post, this is a conclusion that I had came to a while ago. The show bible leak, specifically the character entries, were just the actual proof of my theory. Without further ado, let's see the tropes that Miraculous Ladybug is:

Marinette/Ladybug: Somehow, someway, she is both sides of the "emotiomal woman" trope AND the "emotionless woman" trope in one character. The "emotional woman" trope is literally just treating a woman's emotions as a horrible flaw that she needs to either lose or control, and this trope is rooted in the idea that women are inherently more emotional than men which makes them irrational and inferior compared to men who "are totally in control of their emotions ;)". On the Ladybug side of things: the "emotionless woman" trope focuses on how "unnatural" it is for a woman to prefer to keep a lid on her emotions and is their main character flaw. Now let's look on how these tropes interact with Maribug: Marinette has been shamed, by the writers and the fandom, for being too emotional and irrational. Likewise, Ladybug has been shamed, by the writers and the fandom, for focusing on her job above her needs and wants. Main character of the show, oldest trope in the book about women.

Adrien/Chat Noir: Genderswapped trophy wife. We were all completely right to call out the whole "Ladybug is a knight in shining armor who saves Adrien", but that is sadly the core of Adrien's character. Additionally, his character page dosen't list "being abused" as one of the challenges he has to overcome💀

Alya: Mammy. I did a double take reading Alya's character page section. There are word-for-word similarities on her page and Harriyanna Hook's videos that critique the racism in Alya's writing. I always knew Harriyanna was right but... man was it creepy to be proven 100% right by the show bible. Alya is the "black people as support systems" trope, she is the "adult black girl" trope; everything single thing (of racism) that people have noticed in Alya's writing was there in the show Bible. I would say that future Black people are going to use Alya's character as an example of what not to do, but we already have. Now it exists in digital evidence created by the show writers.

Nino: Is blatantly an after thought. He dosen't even get his own section. Described as a genderswapped Alya💀💀💀

HawkMoth: Man-Pain portrayed as more sympathetic than 14 year old girls.

Chloe/Lila: The fourteen year old girl in question. Apparently, every Chloe episode ever written has Thomas listed as one of the writers. So no, Thomas didn't "ruin" Chloe. Chloe is a anti-girl, anti abuse survivor character from start to finish. Same thing goes for Lila, but on a much grander scale that I can't talk about because I promised no spoilers. Just know that Lila is a stupidly written character from start to finish.

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I asked this to another blog, but do you think the Season 4 finale made salt fics that depict Adrien in a negative light, while Felix is depicted in a positive one (at least when the fic uses Félix Graham de Vanily, when the fic uses PV Felix it's a bit more understandable) age poorly?

(Tho I like I said to the other blog I asked this question to, I always found a bit questionable when salt fics did that, since Felix's actions in his debut episode were quite awful, like how he tried to forcibly get a kiss on Ladybug on his debut episode, and one of the main complaints people have about Chat Noir is about how forceful he can be with Ladybug, so I never undertstood why those fics gave Felix a pass)

So, for starters, fanfiction is just a person's interpretation of canon and I don't think it can ''age poorly''. If it were a theory, then I'd agree, as theories can turn out factually wrong or miss the mark, but fanfiction? No, not really. However, the writer/reader's taste can change and they would seek a different kind of story.

As for the main question, portraying Adrien in a negative and GdV!Félix in a positive light is understandable given that Adrien has given us much more reasons to criticize him than Félix, and the Season 4 finale, in my opinion, has changed nothing about that fact. As a matter of fact, the entirety of S4 has only solidified the perception that Adrien is a very unlikable character. All he does is complain, whine and put other people into unnecessary danger due to this obsession Ladybug (Lies, Sentibubbler, Kuro Neko and Chat Blanc), and he gets away with all of those actions because, as Astruc said, he is perfect and the world needs to cater to him. He never learns a damn thing and during the rare moments he decided to change, he goes right back to square one (Glaciator 2.0.).

This all makes Adrien a very frustrating character and his portrayal in salt fics actually isn’t that different from actual canon (at least in the salt fics I read) with one important difference - the writer puts emphasis on Adrien’s actions being wrong and problematic (while the canon show portrays his actions as him being in the right or completely glosses over them). I mean, considering how long Marinette had dealt with Adrien’s harassment, I’m surprised she hadn’t thrown him into a trash bin earlier. The Season 4 finale isn’t better in that regard either, as Adrien’s “supportive” actions come off as incredibly selfish or entitled, or sound more like empty promises, especially when you take his behavior during the entire show into consideration. Season 4 finale basically tells us that Adrien was right in lying and manipulating Ladybug (Kuro Neko), that he was right in refusing to communicate with her (despite the fact that she asked him several times to talk to her, e.g. Rocketear), that he was right to be reckless and add to Ladybug’s stress (Lies), etc.

Compare this to Félix, whose actions had actually been portrayed in the wrong in canon. He does something bad and he gets punished for it, e.g. attempting to kiss Ladybug in Félix and getting clocked for that - and please note, Félix kissing Ladybug only happened in that episode, while Adrien harassing Ladybug happened over the span of 4 Seasons. Even then, it was clarified that Félix did it to ruin Adrien’s image (thinking he has a celebrity crush on Ladybug) rather than creepily obsess over her (note the hundreds of photos on Adrien’s phone, which I’m pretty sure were taken without Ladybug’s knowledge). Frankly, if I had to pick between Félix and Adrien in this situation, I’d pick Félix, as he appears to be the more reasonable one (after all, Adrien’s reaction to being rejected is to refuse to help Ladybug defeat an Akuma - Frozer & Glaciator; and when Rena Rouge told him that her plan excluded him in Sentibubbler, he destroyed a chimney in a fit of rage, making him come off as very unhinged).

Then, there is also the fact that Astruc seemingly hates Félix, going by his Twitter comments, and people usually like to side with the underdog.

The last argument in favor of Félix is the fact that, unlike Adrien (whose go-to solution to a problem is to whine and complain until gets his way), he’s portrayed as intelligent, resourceful and competent (Gabriel Agreste, Risk, Strike Back). Considering how Adrien does absolutely nothing to contribute to the plot, even in episodes that focus on him (Lies, The Collector), is it really a surprise people prefer Félix over him?

As for Félix’s actions in the Season 4 finale, I can assure you that Félix!Fans acknowledge that him betraying Ladybug was awful. I acknowledge that this was a dire move on his part (and foolish - he could’ve just stolen all of the Miraculous). However, you need to take into account that Félix was always a morally grey character whose actions were supposed to benefit him and not other people. He isn’t a superhero and we know that, but we still want to see what he’s going to do in the future because he’s just that interesting. This is what makes him more intriguing than Adrien and a character I want to root for (and ignore Astruc’s passive aggressive commentary).

To keep it short, Félix gets a pass because he isn’t an obsessive creep and is a more interesting character than Adrien.

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Anonymous asked:

The only difference between Felix and Adrien is that the narrative actually portrays Felix as bad and Adrien as a hero, despiste them being basically the same. Try to prove otherwise.

Okay but Felix has a functioning braincell, don’t shame him like that. Adrien’s supposed straight As are only for his “perfect” points.

Anonymous asked:

I just want to add on the Felix and Adrien comparison and say that despite Felix being a disliked character by Astruc, he has many similarities to other core characters. He and Luka have an interesting comparison as they are viewed in fanon poorly when they are in the middle of the love square business (Luka caring for Marinette/Felix trying to ruin Ladrien) but once they have a narrative “supporting” Adrien (wishmaker&ephermal/gabriel) they are well liked in the community. I could go on to why Felix/Marinette is much more compatible then Adrien/Marinette or how much more personality they put into a ‘disliked’ character than their “perfect” Adrien but 😒 I’ll stop there

The only real thing Felix has in common with the Agrestes is the “leaping to assumptions” thing (with Adrien like “MARINETTE IS LADYBUG” based on convenient evidence, Gabriel with “ADRIEN IS CHAT NOIR” based on convenient eavesdropping) with guessing that Gabriel is Shadow Moth.

But, the difference with Felix is that he actually went through hard effort to confirm his suspicions after the fact and saw more notable evidence to start toying with the theory in the first place (i.e: Gabriel hiding jewelry behind his ascot because who HIDES jewelry if they’re going to bother wearing it in the first place?).