#The theory ruins Adriens character

[samsimisauser]

except for the kill switch.

The Peacock allows it's user to instantly end the existence of which ever Senti it's user Wants.

Where does that comes into play in the metaphor?

Also I personally don't think the metaphor works for the future. In 50 years anyone who picks up any Amok would still have control over anyone of them, they will never be free (which I understand that that's part of the metaphor)

This allegory for abuse goes to far, People who were abused by their caretakers might feel like they were mind controlled in hindsight, they might even fall victim to such behaviors again but

Being mind controlled by total strangers because the picked up a piece of jewelry, is not how the long term effects of childhood abuse play out.

I get that it's an allegory and doesn't match one to One but that part has never computed for me...

(For the record though I broadly Agree with your points)

Also something i want to talk about that again, some fans doesnt seem to grasp

Sentimonsters are an allegory for abuse.

Think about it. This is a kids show. It's really difficult to portrait abuse in children media, because not every case of abuse is the same.

But do you know what kids do know?

Emotions

And a sentimonsters is a creation based on an emotion. A simple concept, right?

Ok, then how parents usually explain how a kid is conceived?

Mommy and Daddy loved each other and you were born

Gabriel and Emilie also loved each other. Adrien was planned to be conceived out of their love. Love is enough, right? Adrien should have been happy, right?

Except he isn't. Because Gabriel's love turned into power hungriness and then into abuse.

Kagami was born to be the perfect descendant, and it was turned into abuse

Felix was born into a semi-loving house, but his father was abusive as well.

All of them, sentis, were conceived with a purpose, with "love" in mind. What a lot of children in abusive households tend to be born in. But that "love" is never what it is. It's about control, it's about having the power over someone who you are supposed to protect.

That's what sentimonsters are supposed to represent in the show.

It's horrible, but it's something kids can understand and adults should realize as well.

It's not about what Adrien and the others are, but how the adults, their caretakers, are using their love in such a terrifying way.

[generalluxun]

Why people dislike Feligami?

First a distinction: Felgami theory vs Felgami execution.

Felgami theory is actually awesome and a lot of people liked the idea. Enemies to lovers, driven rivals who develop feelings for each other, they're classic tales.

That's not what we got in execution though.

Instead we got Kagami retconned into being w sentimonster and handed as a gift to Felix as a sign of his virtue. We got the destruction of two interesting characters to be replaced with two lifeless stand-ins.

Felix is an asshole. From his first appearance we saw this. He was cruel, clever, driven, and had his own purpose. Then poof- it was all for Adrien, he's just a widdle guy, he's just misunderstood, he's got a tragic backstory that is a copy of Adrien's. How sad. He's really a hero! He always has been!

Kagami has always been forthright and direct. She doesn't hide, doesn't hesitate, and hates lies. Then poof- she falls for the guy who deceived her, stole the miraculouses, and killed everyone in Paris/France/More. Not only that, but she suddenly becomes completely passive, a lovestruck trophy toddling along to Felix's weird play/art/thing instead of telling Marinette what she knows directly. She too, just sits idly by while things go to ruin. Trophies don't get down off the shelf.

The only reason Kagami was retconned into being a sentimonster is so Felix would like her. Her entire being rewritten to convenience his plotline. Eww.

Not only that, but it removed her from the very interesting dynamic she has finally formed -over several seasons- with both Adrien and Marinette. She is safely 'out of the way' now.

There's more but it's late.

Basically- Fanon Felgami can be very cool if it diverges somewhere in S4 or early S5. It's csnon that mucked things up, shoehorning it in in an unsatisfying and frankly toxic way. He is into her because of her race. She is into him because he reminds her of her exes. Ugh.

[saveme-storybrooke-potc]

Debunking the debunkers???

So whenever there is a new fan theory in miraculous that split the fandom in the middle, I like to play devil advocate and side with what the fans don't like. (just like the adrien is a sentimonster theory. look at where we are now)

sadly there are not many Lila is Manon from the future theory videos on youtube (most are just people calling the thoery and people who believe it stupid). Here is why your points are stupid.

1 - "How can you say Lila is from the future and she can't even tell what is going to happen to her"

well that's simple, LILA is not supposed to be in the present, but she brought herself to it. so she is altering timelines, the stuff that she is going to know that will happen to her is whatever is going to happen to Manon. NOT Lila. She would not be having a "second chance" at life and knowing that Gabe would kick her out of alliance, or not be invited to the ball, or be exposed by Marinette because it didn't happen and it wasn't supposed to happen because she is from the future. Remember the fact that Marinette is Manon's babysitter in this time period that Lila travelled to, so she would be many years younger than Marinette and Adrien and we wouldn't know what would have happened to Gabe in the future. So your point is debunked.

also the only times Bunnix ever messed with time was when the world was going to end or did end because of something Marinette did, she refused to let Marinette go back in time and fix her mistakes with losing the miraculous' or losing the Butterfly miraculous. She didn't even tell her who the new holder was.

2 - "Chris referred to the new hawkmoth as the woman he loves... but it's actually Lila and not Manon"

Yes we see that Lila interacted with Chris and that he did have a crush on her. But also that quote about Chris being in love with the new Hawkmoth is a "deleted scene" (allegedly) however the possibility of Chris being in love with Manon is still there. which people believe alludes to some sort of time travel between the two because (1) they were both fighting over the rabbit Kwami (Trixx?) which Chris becomes Time-Tagger and again, if Manon did time travel she could have used time tagger and also be Lila from the future. We don't know if he really is WAY older than Chris in adult Ladybug and Chat Noir's present (also that would be very weird to have a teenager pinning over some grown woman, unless it IS Manon)

3 - "She has the pictures of Nadja because she wants to use bad publicity to take revenge on Gabe"

first of all LIE-LA she was always known to manipulate people by saying the most outlandish lies. If she wanted to she would have already told Nadja about Gabe being Hawkmoth and everyone would have believed it. Nadja is very out of place on the board and the only thing that doesn't make sense is why she is only shown to be connected to Adrien and their teacher and not Marinette. But for Lila to have her on the board for the bad press is NOT it, because she could have ruined Gabe with or without Nadja.

3 - "Lila looks like her "other mothers" (the woman she is lying to) and Kagami looks like Sabine so it doesn't make sense"

First of all, I can't explain to you why Lila's other disguises looks like her other moms when she only used her Lila look. it doesn't make sense, but Cerise LOOKS LIKE Nadja. Also the writers are kinda racist, they make all the asian or mixed asian characters the same with that blue/black hair. and the point with Kagami was that she was supposed to kinda look like Marinette because Adrien didn't realise at the time that he actually did like Marinette. But the excuse of "we don't know what Lila actually looks like, Cerise could be fake too" is weak if you're using it to attempt at debunking a fun theory.

4 - "Manon wasn't the one manipulating people it was her akumatized version"

but it's the fact that all of Lila and Manon's akumatized versions have the "manipulating people" aspect. Also Lila using her (shitty) lying abilities to getting what she wants, and Manon uses her childlike innocence to try and get what she wants. But they both always fail because of Marinette.

5 - You can't deny the flowers on her design it's not stupid

common costuming is very important. designs are very important. do you not know what Marinette and Adrien's designs are? it's their colours inverted. LITERALLY from their hair to their shoes. It's not just the one flower on Manon's overalls that is Lila's name. It's THREE flowers, one for each name.

6 - "Manon loved Marinette, why would she grow up and start fighting with Marinette"

again, you're missing the point. (1) Manon is a child when we see her "present self" so she will be different, she will be more innocent, she will love Marinette. (I wouldn't say she was rooting for adrienette). But we don't know what happens in between this (yet) we don't know if Marinette upsets her. Marinette already ignores Manon A LOT for Adrien, especially when she's supposed to be responsible for her. She's always dumping her off to be someone else's problem. So yes, there can be a resentment towards that. Yes when Manon grows up she can dislike Marinette and travel back in time and sabotage things or at least try to. Sometimes your greatest enemies are someone you once loved or cared for.

6 (b) - "the theory says her and chris are in love, how can that be if she is trying to date adrien"

do you not know how girls who don't get enough attention or love at home act like? do you not see how Nadja being busy could affect Manon, do you not see how Marinette always ditching her for Adrien could affect Manon? Also a revenge plot is a revenge plot, you don't care who you're hurting. We literally see from Gabe how his wife was dead yet he still had a thing for Natalie, while also tormenting the people of Paris for his wife. We also don't necessarily know if Chris and the Hawkmoth(/Manon/Lila) of the future are actually dating, he could just be obsessed over her. So it's still not a stretch that she would hurt Marinette by flirting with Adrien. AGAIN she was not and Adrienette shipper.

7 - "If Lila was really Manon why would she disrespect her mother"

uh because she is in her villain arch? because she is in the past? BECAUSE NADJA DOESN'T KNOW THAT'S HER CHILD?! you also contradicted yourself by saying that Nadja was busy but had time for Manon but then went to saying that Nadja was too busy that she wouldn't even have the time to pay attention to Lila/Manon scheming. So which one is it? I also feel like us seeing the first woman that Lila uses as her mother kinda foreshadows that maybe Lila really does have a mother who has no time for her. Clearly she keeps finding them, it's her comfort. it's like Nadja.

8 - "The only reason the show makes the theory canon is because of how popular it is"

this is not Adrien is not a real boy level theory. I have not heard of this until like two days ago. so we don't know what will happen with this theory.

other honorable mentions

Manon being introduced in the pilot episode could be foreshadowing the fact that she will be the next person to fight Marinette/Ladybug

"Manon can't be Lila because in Simpleman she was helping Ladybug and Chat Noir" - yes because she was a child at the time and she was with her friends and she (at the time) wanted Ladybug to win. You people really don't realise how people change. Look at Chloe, bully to good to bully again. Look at Felix, spoiled brat and creep to antagonist to hero(?)

Lila's photoshoot with Adrien mirrors Manon's photoshoot with Adrien

Lila is recruiting the kids. She's always seen at one point babysitting the younger siblings of Nino and Alya, (and I think Manon too) why? because she needs to start building her army. again, she can still be Manon.

we were already told that we were shown Lila's motive awhile back we just weren't paying attention to it. it could have even been shown with Manon.

Smarty Pants' whole rant about using the Manon/Lila theory and making it about Jesus Christ (which made me uncomfortable) and used the example of how Manon is another name for Marie or Mary and only talked about the "wished for child" but completely glossed over the "rebellious" and "bitter" definitions. so it only adds on to my point, Manon is bitter about something

I'm finding the reason a lot of people who HATE this theory hate it because Manon is a child and they are probably uncomfortable with the idea. and I only think this because of how passionately a lot of people speak towards Manon and the language they use towards the people who talk about the theory and the theory itself.

[imthepunchlord]

Actually, we do have some information about Max in the concept stage. I think this is his earliest version (which also had him tied to Nino)

Later versions of him had him be something antagonist along with Kim, and most of the class (they were all kind of jerks, like if you read some of Sabrina's old bios, you'll notice few details might have carried over into Lila.). I also think he had a crush on Sabrina at this to.

The only ones spared this treatment were Marinette, Alya, Adrien, (possibly Nino,) Alix (who was apparently going to be part of the main cast), Nathaniel (this also where his crush on Marinette came from, and think he was also supposed to be very clumsy), Juleka (who was supposed to have a crush on Nathaniel), and Rose. Also, apparently had a grandma who would have served as something of a mentor for some characters.

Let's just say a lot of the weird one-off early season one weridness makes a lot more sense when you see the concept stuff.

I had wiped the image of early concept of Nino from my mind. I was fine thinking Gavroche was like early concept thoguht for Nino/Carapace. Why would you bring this back? Why did they think that was a good design to keep around?

Either way, good to know, I take back the earlier theory/speculation. And man, Edwin looks like younger PV Felix, which makes me wonder if they were ever thought to be related. I don't think I've ever seen it proposed on what Felix's last name was going to be, maybe it was Agreste but I thought the fandom hopped onto that thought. If not, it's a good thing they changed him up. I think both Max and Nino are better design wise. And I guess that's where Nino's sudden crush on Marinette came from, it was an older concept idea that carried over.

Kim I'm not too surprised. Miraculous as a whole was lacking antagonistic boys, closest was Kim around the beginning, then he became a himbo, and then I heard he got ruined in s5. Which from what I hear, yeah that's bad, but because I haven't watched it, it's like a disconnected fact.

But yeah, this does explain a lot. And it just works off this show's record of making changes to the concept, but also just sticking with them as well and not fully committing to those changes.

[fatherfigurefusion]

AU where I give the DRDT cast original talents (plus my reasons for these talents)

Teruko Tawaki, the Ultimate Police Officer

(NGL: In addition to my theory of Wolfgang Akire getting a Teruko arc and my mental association between Teruko and Tsurugi Kinjo, the other reason I made Teruko a police officer was because of a Paw Patrol DRDT AU that had Chase as Teruko.)

Xander Matthews, the Ultimate Graphic Novelist

(He'd honestly write some pretty awesome graphic novels, probably centering around awesome adventures of rebellion and vigilantism.)

Eden Tobisa, the Ultimate Petsitter

(I only really gave her this talent due to that one remark she made in the prologue: "Do you think I walk dogs, silly?")

Hu Jing, the Ultimate Kickboxer

(I just love the mental image of a buff yet still chubby Hu who can and will beat someone up.)

J Moreno, the Ultimate Chess Grandmaster

(Just have the Rosales be a high-grade military family with J being groomed to be their best military strategist, only for her to just want to chill and play chess.)

Veronika Grebenshikova, the Ultimate Dollmaker

(She just has "dollmaker"/Jane Doe from "Ride the Cyclone" vibes.)

David Chiem, the Ultimate Part-Time Worker

(Customer service voice. Can also swap the XanVid dynamic by having David be a massive fan of Xander's graphic novels.)

Arturo Giles, the Ultimate Caterer

(Spending his whole life catering to and being surrounded by celebrities? That is Arturo's dream. Would cook the most elaborate and expensive dishes ever.)

Levi Fontana, the Ultimate Undertaker

(Maybe the indifference that comes from years of dealing with dead bodies could tie into both Levi's struggles with being seen as "heartless", despite wanting to be helpful, and Levi's friendship with the talentswapped Ace.)

Ace Markey, the Ultimate Paranormal Investigator

(A cowardly yet competent paranormal investigator is a character prompt that's too much comic gold to pass up. Also, see Levi's prompt above.)

Min Jeung, the Ultimate Archer

(I decided to swap Min's academic talent for an athletic talent, and found that archery would fit the focused and stoic Min. Also, Mafuyu Asahina.)

Whit Young, the Ultimate Model

(It's the Adrien Agreste energy. Also based around my theory that Kai and Diana would act like Whit figures for Damon, and decided to give Whit a talent that combines both Kai and Diana's talents.)

Charles Cuevas, the Ultimate Debater

(It's the Damon Maitsu energy.)

Arei Nageishi, the Ultimate News Reporter

(What better way to ruin people's lives then to dig up dirt on them and then put them on blast, on national television?)

Nico Hakobyan, the Ultimate Robotics Engineer

(Just swap out their love and understanding for animals with a love and understanding towards machines. Possible Entrapta kin.)

Rose Lacroix, the Ultimate Street Performer

(She would most likely take up busking, in order to support her family. I could easily picture her pulling multiple party tricks out of nowhere, wowing everybody around her.)

[edgybutnotveryedgy]

part 2/3

Now we are on to part 2, and after watching the season finale, I hope people are starting to see that Lila really is not what she seems. From having a secret layer in the Beach Room of the Paris Catacombs, (the part that is technically off limits) to keeping an evidence board and lots of wigs and various colored contacts. She is the most unhinged character in all of Miraculous and for that I must respect her! She’s great and anyone would be crazy to not love her. She could murder someone and that would be so her you know? Anyways speaking of having evidence boards. 

Part 1, Part 2, Part 3

Without further ado, lets get into what season 3 has to offer evidence wise in regards to my Lila theory, and let me tell you it’s a doozy. 

Chameleon

Marinette is explaining to Alya and Nino why she doesn't trust Lila.

Marinette: "Fine I'll tell you everything" *proceeds to walk to a table with Alya following her, and she grabs Nino before he goes to sit by Lila with the rest of the class who are all captivated and fawning over her. Proceeds to drag Nino to where she and Alya are going to sit*

"You remember Lila when she first came to school right after the summer break? She was only here for one day, and then she left on that round the world trip. Everyone was... Captivated by her! Something just felt... Off to me. So I... Followed her."

Alya and Nino: "What?!"

*flashback to Volpina*

Marinette: "She lies with every breath!"

Nino: "Wait. You eavesdropped on Lila and Adrien? That's not cool!"

Alya: "A good reporter always verifies her sources. Can you prove she doesn't actually know Ladybug?"

Later when Marinette is confronting Lila in the bathroom

Lila: "I only tell people what they wanna hear."

Marinette: "It's called, LYING!"

Lila: "There's nothing you can do about it anyway. People can't resist when they hear what they like to hear. If you don't wanna be my friend? Fine. But soon you won't have ANY friends left at all, and trust me. I'll make sure you never get close to Adrien in class, or anyone. You are a little less dumb than the others, so I'll give you one last chance. You're either with me, or against me. You don't have to answer right away. I'll give you till the end of class today." *walks away flipping hair while Marinette is stuck cornered in the wall still, dumbfounded*

Marinette: "I thought Chloe was Evil, but Lila really takes the whole cake! She's like a supervillain who doesn't need a costume!"

Tiki: "You mustn't let her get to you Marinette!"

Marinette: "If I don't manage to expose her Lies, she'll ruin my life Tiki! She'll turn my friends against me! Including Adrian!" *anger intensifies*

Later after marinette clumsily evades an akuma, Lila sees Adrien.

Adrien: "Hey Lila!" 

Lila: "Adrien! We'll have to figure out when you're going to help me catch up on all the schoolwork I missed! I also heard you play piano! My uncle was a great pianist from Berocha, he wanted to teach me when I was little, but I had to stop playing because of arthritis. But when my wrist gets better, I'd love for you to give me some lessons."

Adrien: "Lila. I'm perfectly happy being friends with you, and I'll gladly help you catch up on your schoolwork. But... Please don't lie to me like you did last time with Ladybug."

*Lila looks incredibly shocked, and she has a small flashback to Volpina when Ladybug called her a liar.*

Lila: "Ladybug's the liar."

Adrien: "I'm not judging you Lila. Instead of making friends, you're going to turn everyone against you. You can tell me if there's something bothering you. I can help! But you need to be honest with me." 

Lila: "Are you trying to be some superhero lecturing me just like Ladybug did? Well thanks, but no thanks. Ugh."

Lila is turned into Chameleon, and her power is that she can kiss someone which knocks them out, and then she takes their appearance.

Onichan

Lila is talking to Adrien about getting help in catching up with her schoolwork, and she sees Marinette and Alya spying in on her.

Lila: "Why don't we go to your place to do our homework? It would be so much quieter wouldn't it?"

Adrien: "My father would never agree to that. 

Lila: "I bet you I could change his mind!" *proceeds to run away while dragging Adrien* 

*Marinette and Alya follow and see Adrien and his bodyguard and Lila*

Marinette: "There's no way Adrien's bodyguard will let her in the car."

*bodyguard proceeds to let her in the car* 

Later while in the car

Lila: "What's the worst grade you've ever gotten?"

Adrien: "An A- in Math. Listen Lila, you should forget about this. My father can be harsh with anyone he thinks is an intruder."

Lila: "We're not doing anything wrong. Leave this to me." (I think it's interesting how confident she seems to be in getting everyone to do what she wants.) 

*Walking up to the house*

Nathalie: "I'm sorry Adrien, but you know your father. He-"

Lila: "Excuse me ma'am, but is there any way I could ask him directly? Just in case?" (It's interesting that she insists on asking him herself.)

Nathalie: "Mr. Agreste is busy designing, and must not be disturbed for any reason!"

Lila: (she seems kinda surprised momentarily. Not noticeably though.) 

Adrien: "I told ya so."

Lila: "Oh Adrien, I so wanted to help you make up all the school work you missed, due to all the modeling you've been doing lately. What will your father think if he finds out about your lower grades Adrien? Who will he believe?" (Lila looks toward Nathalie. I don't know. That last line seems to have a lot of weight to it.) 

Nathalie: "Adrien! Have your grades gone down?"

Lila: "He'd never tell you himself, but when I saw Adrien crying the other day because he only got an A-? I just felt like I had to offer him my help! It would have taken half an hour."

Nathalie: *briefly looks puzzled and is considering*

Lila: "I understand. You're only doing what you think is best. I did what i could Adrien. Good luck."

Nathalie: "If it's only half an hour."

Lila: "if you really insist I'll do it." *grabs Adriens arm and runs inside*

Marinette: *from outside the gate where she had been listening in.* "Seriously? How does she do that?"

Later after some shenanigans, the time is up and Lila has to leave. While leaving, Gabriel comes out of his office. Gorilla instantly steps in front of Lila to hide her. She then jumps out from behind him to introduce herself.

Lila: "Mr. Gabriel Agreste! I am such an admirer of your fashion designs. This is the best day of my life!" *Gabriel clears his throat. Lila suddenly has a brief look on her face before suddenly changing her tactic* "I know how busy you are, so I won't take up any more of your time." *runs away* "have a good evening!" *continues running*

Later after Kagami has been akumatized into Onichan, she tracks down Lila and stalks her.

*Kagami runs past, and Lila looks around suspiciously but sees no one.*

*now Lila is walking extremely nervously, looking back and forth.*

Onichan: "Lila..."

*lila looks around again and then starts running away and hides behind a wall. She seems really nervous about something or someone. She then peaks out from the corner she's hiding in*

Onichan: "Lila Rossi."

*Onichan pops up and a surprised Lila gasps*

Onichan: "I forbid you from going anywhere near Adrien! Give up on him and I will spare you."

Lila: "Adrien- I don't know anyone named Adrie-"

Onichan: "Don't lie to me!"

Lila:

"I'm really sorry but I always get what I want. It's not my fault."

(This line is really interesting to me, especially when you look at Lila's face. It looks like she's being genuine about this fact.)

Ladybug

After Lila lies to undo her other lies that got Marinette expelled, Marinette talks to her outside Mr. Damocles office.

Marinette: "People should know better. Things aren't always what they seem to be at first sight. So, look. I don't know why you felt the urge to start all this, or why all of a sudden you lied to fix this mess, but I'm glad to see you're capable if coming back to your senses. Sometimes." 

Lila:

"As you said, things aren't always what they seem to be at first sight."

Lila walks away leaving a confused Marinette.

About Chameleon 

Chameleon’s powers are the ability to look like anyone, and even to take their place by putting them into a magical sleep. Based on what we know from season 5, this may be something that should be looked at more. For me something that comes to mind is Changelings from fairy tales. Changelings are when fairies will switch places with a human infant or toddler. Rarely will you see a changeling switch with an adult, and when it does happen the replacement is usually a log or something. Even then, the contemporary idea of changelings is quite different. In a lot of modern stories, they tend to be a type of fae that is capable of transforming, and looking like another person. Going back to the original idea of changelings though, depending on the story the motivations of a changeling would be different. In some cases they were the children of fairies being sent to be raised by humans, usually because fairies weren’t as good at taking care of their own children or something. This is also why adults would be taken and replaced, so that the fairies could make them become servants and nurses for their own children. Of course this still depends on the story, as there are other motivations as well. Sometimes the changeling is a fully grown fairy replacing the child, because the fairies wanted a human child for whatever reason. Sometimes the reason is to raise it as their own, other times it is to have it become a servant when it's older, etc. I’m not suggesting that Lila is a changeling, or even a fairy, but I do think the similarities are interesting, and who’s to say she isn’t perhaps some kind of fae or even half fae of some kind. There really isn’t a whole lot known about her at this point, and to be honest, this could be interesting.

About Onichan 

While we’re on the topic of possible backstories for Lila, I think we should be asking what Lila was so afraid of in Onichan. She seems so uncharacteristically afraid. Especially considering that as far as she knows the only people who know she is lying are Adrien and Marinette, and neither of them are a threat. Of course anyone would be scared if some invisible voice was calling out their name ominously, but still. This makes me think that there may be something she’s running from. Maybe there’s a reason for why she is taking on so many identities as we see in season 5. I’m sure that many have seen the season 5 finale at this point, and I can’t help but wonder if perhaps there’s a connection between her fear in this episode as well as whatever that was at the end of recreation. And do not tell me that this was the ghost of Gabriel, or Nooroo. As far as I’m concerned, this is a completely new thing that we haven’t seen in the show yet. Maybe it’s Tomoe, or maybe it’s Majestia’s evil sister Ignoblia! She did make an appearance in Reunion after all, so maybe she’s going to be in season 6. There are so many possibilities, but I do think that it may be something relating to Lila’s past. If someone has that many secret identities, then they’re bound to have a few enemies they’re hiding from. 

Lastly let's talk about Onichan for a minute. What Lila says, "I'm really sorry but I always get what I want. It's not my fault", this line has been really getting the gears in my brain going. I can’t help but to think that if she does have powers, then they go beyond just lying. Lying is merely a tool. I would suggest that she has a natural charm about her that makes people just like her and want to be around her. Whether she wants this or not. Another character with a similar ability that comes to mind is Piper McLean from the Heroes of Olympus book series by Rick Riordan. This power is called Charm speak. On the fan wiki it is described as “a type of hypnotism or persuasion in which it allows the speaker to convince someone else to do or get whatever they want”. Obviously I don’t think that Miraculous is in any way connected to the Riordanverse, (although that would make a fun au), but I do think it’s possible that Lila may have a similar power to Piper. This would explain why everyone's IQ apparently goes down to double digits whenever she’s around. It’s like they’re compelled to do what she says. To take this further, we can look at what Marinette says to Alya in Chameleon. “You remember Lila when she first came to school right after the summer break? She was only here for one day, and then she left on that round the world trip. Everyone was... Captivated by her! Something just felt... Off to me.” Like i know that everyone just thinks she happens to be good at lying/in some cases people claim that the writers just suck, but if you ask me this feels far more like foreshadowing and quite frankly I’m disappointed that no one else has picked up on this yet. Like I could rant all day about how confused I am at the fact that not once has someone considered that maybe Lila isn’t just a good liar. (In all fairness I watch way too many ARG videos/Gravity Falls changed the way I watch cartoons/I grew up watching unhinged cartoon and video game theories about adventure time and zelda so………). Back to what I was saying though, the evidence is right there. Lila is absolutely a liar, but she has a lot more to her than simply telling a goofy lie about saving a rockstars kitten that he probably never had from a runway.

Part 1, Part 2, Part 3

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Thomas Astruc Seriously? Where to begin? The fact that Thomas Astruc, the creator of Miraculous Ladybug, is mainly responsible for ruining Chloe’s character and the entire show story with his bad writing and influence since episode Miracle Queen, Season 4, and Season 5, if not always been from the very beginning for some longtime fans. When I heard about “Adrien is a Sentimonster” theory even I was still new to the show, I promised myself a long time ago that I will never forgive him if were true. I won’t forgive him. I don’t know if I should say this but given what he have done to Miraculous…  I hate him.

Why draw him you ask? How do I put this?

To put this simply. I need to vent out my frustration through art like I did on All-Americus/All-Ameriquilicus way back. And I want to show everyone who can see this the villain he is; least how I picture him. I mean, look at his face, at those eyes, filled with so much anger, hate, and even arrogance, able to get away with what he have done and do however he like without regards for others as if he’s the Miraculous God.

But as much I hate him, I can still give him the decency to make him a cool-looking badass character as I can.

And just to let you know, this is my AU version of the show’s Astruc, his ‘avatar’ and not the actual Astruc in Real-Life despite the similarities. Thomas Almighty

Basically, Thomas Astruc turned into God, or what he supposed to be.

I’ll admit, I was kind of lazy with his design, his clothes are still the same just turned white. But then again, I’m sure that how he prefer to dress even as “God”.

So basically, he is the Miraculous version of Chuck/God from Supernatural; write his story how sees fit not how bad or the hurt on other people.

I also admit my selection of his exact powers are half-baked. I mean, in terms of reality-warping, what can and can’t do? He is not really a god, he’s a man pretending to be a god, thanks to Hawkmoth. In fact, that’s the overall theme, he is powerful to almost godlike but he is still a man, an irrational man that is.

And his name, I just add “Almighty” like from the movies Evan Almighty or Bruce Almighty.Name: Thomas Almighty

Akumatized Object: Unknown

Cause of Akumatized? Unknown, possibly his hatred for Chloe and for Jeremy Zag and his studio cutting him off or we different direction from his plan

Powers: - Super-Strength - Super-Speed - Super-Durability - High Stamina - Flight - Teleportation

- Near-Invulnerability - Immortality

- Reality-Warping: — Matter Manipulation: Transform, create/transmute, control, and destroy any matter even at an atomic level and on living things physically. — Energy Manipulation: Control, absorb, emit or create any forms of energy; especially pure energy

— Spatial Manipulation: Control spaces and dimensions around him. — Weather Control

— Gravity Control

— Time Control (Limited)

Weakness and Limitation: - Cannot brainwash or mind control intelligent living beings

- Cannot rewrite fate of people or happenings of the world or Universe - Cannot control time entirely or time travel

- Don’t have psychic powers if not low-powered - Susceptible to psychic or mental attacks

These are just the first taste of my Evil!Astruc series.

Miraculous Ladybug made by Thomas Astruc & Zagtoon Drawn by Redtriangle (me)

[ilikelookingatthings]

Honestly I thought Adrien being sidelines was important specifically for gabriel. If we take betterfly as the best version of Gabriel that means the times gabe ISN"T being a dick are sincere(easier to see this in the earlier seasons) and how most of us thought Gabe being that cruel when he finds out adrien was chat felt out of character and odd when we've seen gabe care(not great at showing it but sincere).

I actually thought the issue was Gabe has been making himself unstable like one of his akuma victims using his miraculous the wrong way all this time coupled with how he ampliphies his own negative emotions, his grief, his sense of failure, his desperation and hsi hyper fixation to get the akuma victims to focus on getting him the miraculouses. He akumatized himself which he admited he didn't know the side affects of that, used his miraculous the wrong way over and over and over again when we've seen side affects just from using it ONCE with your emotions off like mari's miraclous powering down immeditaley when she used it due to jealousy in bubbler to seperate chloe and adrien, let alone master fu and feast/the sentimonster. and how qucikly side affects can appear due to what we saw with the peacock.

Gabe made a split with his hawkmoth persona to get the power to get the wish to save his wife...but we've seen if gabe is exposed as gabe to adrien enough he CAN be reasoned with sometimes or seem to calm down....this can be seen as adrien grounding gabe and reminding him of his intial motivation to get the miraculous and even with nathalie..nathalie getting hurt grounded gabe for a while due to her assosiation with his civilian side.

as hawkmoth gabe tends to get noticable more agressive, more difficult to reason with and tends to make dumb mistakes and get hyper fixated.

I always thought that if gabe was 'normal' he would understandably balk at the idea of adrien being chat simlar to how he reacted when his 'theory' to prove adrien was chat didn't result in adrien transforming.

so I thought the reason gabe doesn't react that way is because finding out adrien is chat triggers his hawkmoth persona to come more forward since hawkmoth has been amplifying his negative emotions in association with ladybug and chat noir. the hawkmoth part of him taking center stage over the gabriel part in that scenerio.

and that the reason Adrien was left out of the fight was because if gabe found out adrien was chat it would be WAY harder to try to talk him down or reason with him since one of the things tethering Gabe was Civilian Adrien.

and that they were trying to go for a parallel to collector(one of the times gabe's apologies to adrien seemed sincere and thorough in admitting that Gabe himself was the one with issues despite adrien taking the book without permission) and how gabe was pretty reasonable and showed his good side by understanding and not snapping at mari for 'taking' the miraculous book. even answering some of her questions and agreeing to not tell adrien that marinette returned the book as he saw it was brave of her to come forward with the book when she had every reason to believe she would get in trouble for it.

With Adrien/chat being there in the influence he has on Mari...as she was more willing to reach out and see that Gabe/Hawkmoth needed help...as Mari tends to be the stubborn one who IS a good person but tends to be stricter with bad behavior and not letting people get away with stuff.....while Adrien/Chat tends to be the one who helps remind Mari/LB to look closer at people and that people are complex.

I mean the Chloe being irredeemable thing messes that up a bit since the show had been teaching mari that aspect using Chloe so them making chloe irredeemable kindof ruins that lesson and why mari would be willing to give hawkmoth/Gabe a shot of understanding...even more when he had been the worst that season.

But I thought it was similar to like how akuma victims can't really think clearly in the heat of the negative emotions. With the tragedy being that Gabe might have genuinely been good before but had twisted himself due to his use of his miraculous in the wrong way so he was experiencing symptoms like his akuma victims without a easy fix. and that Gabe isolating himself from his loved ones to focus on saving the mom actually drove him deeper into that side effect to make a parallel and contrast to how marinette when she got too hyper focused on being a good guardian stopped listening to everyone properly where she had to realize she was making that mistake.

That way it would explain the few good aspects of Gabriel and how the dude could be someone like Betterfly under the right circumstances while not dismissing the way Gabe was getting cartoonishly horrible and doing things that made little sense for his motivation and missed what seemed like obvious fixes to get what he actually wanted(like him missing the time travel route to save the mom).

Coupled of course with him not being chosen, using his miraculous the wrong way, and using multiple ones that can put a strain on the user and which can canonically drive someone into insanity.

In retrospect, it's pretty clear why Adrien wasn't there to learn Monarch was his father in The Final Day.

Namely because "Chat Blanc" and "Ephemeral" each explained why.

His intense emotions over seeing his mother and learning his father became a villain in order to save her would be too good of an opportunity to akumatize him against Ladybug.

Thus Adrien benching himself is essentially the reason why Marinette was able to knock the Moth Miraculous off Gabriel and talk him down.

However... this only means that there's an extra layer of despair painted upon what would've been Adrien's angst over his father's dark secret. Clearly, his father's "sacrifice" is what keeps him going in believing his final moments were heroic.

So what happens when Adrien learns that not only was his father trying to bring back Emilie and became a villain to do so but that he also went out after causing Operation: Alliance to start with. No way to confront his father about this reveal and even Nathalie would be hard pressed for a straight answer.

Hell, I can imagine him crossing the line and forcing Plagg to spill the beans at his direct command. He and Marinette have been good in never, if ever, enforcing rules upon Tikki or Plagg so... woo.

And with Lila likely possessing this information be it from what Hoaxer got out of Nathalie or Nooroo, something tells me that we're in for something far, FAR worse than Chat Blanc if that's even feasibly possible. Perhaps only that the Lucky Charm can't easily undo.

Aaaaaaaaaand that's why there was more of a benefit to keep Adrien to the side for Season 5's finale. If you can't feel the storm that's slowly brewing, better get an umbrella now.

[princess-of-the-corner]

I’ve always really disliked the idea of Adrien and Felix being Sentimonsters.

I mean, I don’t think the concept itself is inherently bad, but that clearly wasn’t something the writers had in mind before the introduction of the Peacock Miraculous. We only see hints of Adrien being a Sentimonster after the theory became popular in the ML fandom. There aren’t any moments in seasons 1 or 2 where we can go back and say “oh, now that we know he’s a Sentimonster, that makes a lot more sense.”

And it honestly makes the whole show and it’s world building all the more needlessly complicated and convoluted. Like, if Adrien was a Sentimonster the whole time, and Gabriel had his Amok, how the heck would it even be possible for Adrien to disobey his father and attend school in Origins?

YEAH NO LIKE

So!!

In /theory/, I don't mind the plot of 'they were Sentimonsters all along'. I don't mind the idea of other added in characters like Kagami or Zoé being Sentimonsters.

Honestly I kinda love the existential discussion that can come from such characters. At what point does programming become a person? Is artificial life truly real? So on and so forth. Anything from the Velveteen Rabbit to Chobits to I, Robot.

But yeah there are. There are so many plot holes.

Adrien is able to disobey Gabriel for the first two and a half seasons. Not even 'wiggle out with loopholes' but just straight up disobey.

Gabriel and Nathalie never sense that Chat Noir is a Sentimonster.

When Gabriel suspects Adrien of being Chat Noir, he doesn't use the Amok to force Adrien to tell the truth.

The Peacock Miraculous can casually create Sapient Life. This is not an issue for Ladybug killing them though.

So on and so forth.

Hell, Sentimonsters weren't even introduced until /the last five minutes of Season 2/.

Which brings me to another point re: the lack of setting this up: the actual lack of setup.

Let's compare this to two other recent series that did mystery/reveals WELL. Gravity Falls and Steven Universe. SPoilers for both of these ahead.

Gravity Falls had the reveal of Ford overall.

They set this up from episode one. The mystery of the Author of the Journals, Stan seeming to know more than he lets on, etc. Throughout the next season and a half, we got little hints to all of that. Some more subtle than others. But enough that the fandom caught on!

And it was a good mystery that even when we thought we were going to be proved wrong, thanks to Alex Hirsch trolling us with McGucket, there was still enough evidence to it.

Which made everyone scream when Ford actually showed up and confirmed that Stan had a secret twin who wrote the Journals.

Steven Universe had the reveal of Rose Quartz being Pink Diamond.

Throughout just Season 1, we are introduced to hints. Gems can shapeshift. Rose had secrets. There was a Gem Rebellion that Rose was the leader of. The Diamonds exist. Old ruins on Earth show an insignia with white, blue, yellow and pink diamonds, while modern ships show only white, blue and yellow. All sketches of Steven/Rose's Gem include it being diamond-shaped but just pointed inward.

And even when we get the reveal of Pink Diamond's existence, though thinking that Rose killed her, that's still a good reveal that made sense and builds up the next half of the mystery Rose being Pink.

These were great! They were good mysteries and had the fans going very early on!

And again, compare it to ML, who doesn't start this big mystery/reveal until half way into Season 3.

[nothingtherefornow]

You summed up perfectly why this long-awaited revelation of Lila's true nature in front of her classmates and teachers tasted terribly bitter and disappointing.

Because in the end, if Sabrina hadn't finally decided to grow a conscience, Lila and Chloe's plan would have perfectly worked. Marinette's so-called friends would have entirely believed that she was guilty, that she really tried to sabotage their future out of jealousy and resentment.

And on top of being unfairly expelled and having such a serious transgression, of which she was never guilty of, permanently imprinted on her school record could have ruined Marinette's future, Marinette would have also lost all her friends. Even her parents would have believed in those lies, and their relationship with their daughter would have seriously deteriorated.

And Adrien, too used to being silenced by authority figures, and knowing that his worlds would be disreguarded by his so-called friends, he would have remained helpless and silent in the face of his girlfriend's horrible distress.

The only reason why Marinette escaped such misfortune and slander, she owes it not to the friends and allies she trusts to the point of entrusting them with miraculous, but to one of her former tormentors.

If Marinette's classmates had been just that, classmates, acquaintances with whom Marinette wasn't particularly close to, their behavior and reactions would have made sense. Yet they're supposed to be her friends, people Marinette feels that she can rely on behind her mask, that she can allow to be temporary heroes, yet none of them seem able to return the support and trust she has always given them.

And worst of all, neither of them apologized to Mainette, Kagami at least had not only acknowledged her mistakes in believing Lila's lies so easilly, but deeply regretted her misjudgment and asked for forgiveness to those she harmed under Lila's influence.

I just ... really can't understand why the writers are making Marinette's supposed friends in such a way, that's not how friends behave, and it pains me that the writers might think that's how friendship works.

How can i appreciate the temporary heroes which are so often promoted, while knowing that they make very poor friends for the main character ? I know they are guenuilly good people, better that what most classmates in real life are, but their lack of faith in Marinette is hurting the heroin, and I don't think this is right to show that it's okay to remain friend with people whose can mistrust you so easilly in favor of somoene who always hurt you.

It's so unfair, because Marinette shouldn't have had to rely on the help of a former bully to thwart Lila's plans. Even if it was good for Sabrina's redemption, the way they turned things out in this episode demonstrated that ialso shows that Apart from Socqueline, Luka, Zoé, Adrien and even Kagami, Marinette's friendships are very fragile, and it seems like she can't even count on the one she considers her best friend.

And yet ... There may be another potential explanation about why the ml writters are portrayng things this way :

The ml authors must integrate so many plot points in such a short time that sometimes they simplify many progressions by giving the characters attitudes and decision-making that are very questionable and that sometimes seem out of character. It's a form of scripwritting ease, and it can indeed sometimes mess up the writting.

Thus I have this theory that the ml writers put Marinette in a situation where her own friends can hurt her and deeply disappoint her (even though she doesn't seem to realize it yet) to set the stage for her future akumatization in either season 6 or season 7.

We already had Adrien/Chat Noir akumatized twice, and they never risked akumatizing Marinette before because it could have meant Gabriel's victory served on a silver platter. But I beleive season 6 and 7 will change a lot of statut quo from before, that this time akumatizing Marinette will be possible, especially know that it was established that Marinette has allies to whom she can entrust the ladybug's miraculous, allies who know her secret identity.

But if they want to go toward the akumanette road for the future seasons, especially with Lila being the future butterfly miraculous, they'll probably want to really push Marinette to her limits, more than they've ever done before, and put her in a situation where she really feels like she's all alone. And what better way for that than to have Marinette own family and friends hurting her in a way that she finally doubts their love for her ? Hurting her in a way that for the first time, Marinette finally feels anger and betrayal at them for turning against her so easilly, as if her own love and friendship never meant anything to them ? Especially now that we know Lila can still manipulate people under another fake identity, and has proven that she could also fool Marintte's own mother.

This is the only explanation that makes sense to me, because if the ml writters are able to show serious subjects on screen like school bullying or parental abuse, and in such a representative way of reality, why would they have a such a discouraging view of friendship ?

But this is only speculation on my part, every fictitious work has their flaws, and maybe some of mirculous writting of it's side and secondary characters is just one of those.

Liar Revealed

So Marinette and Sabrina worked together to lure Lila into a false sense of security that eventually led up to her spilling everything in front of an audience she was unaware of. Now everyone knows she’s been lying about everything, she’s a horrible person, and she and Chloé are about to be expelled for good… After 7 years, the fandom finally got what it wanted.

…then why do I feel like I’ve actually wasted those 7 years of my life? 

Buckle up, ‘cause this is going to be a long ride.

Afficher davantage

[gale-gentlepenguin]

I know I made a LOT of sh*t posts about Sentimonsters.

So I feel I should clarify my real feelings on what I think of Adrien being a sentimonster..

Let’s start with the positives:

1. Adrien’s struggle is not minimized because he can be magically controlled. All the neglect and abuse is still very much real and it shouldn’t be dismissed because he is a sentimonster. Gabriel and Emilie treated Adrien like their son. Raised him from being a baby. He has thoughts, feelings, and a will of his own. So regardless of all statements, Adrien IS a Person. He just isn’t born a traditional way. Or as Mewtwo says:

2. Adrien being a sentimonster gives a reason on why Emilie and Gabriel have the miraculous with a justified reason without it being malicious. Which allows for some sort of rationale.

3. Adrien is given a clear way of attaining his freedom in a physical way that can represent to the audience.

4. It doesn’t change anything about Adrien’s personality and anyone using the amok to control him is just using it like a remote or magic spell so any actions he is forced to do can actually be dismissed should someone force him to do evil. Which is amusing because in season 1, chat noir got controlled a LOT. So in this regard the theory is consistent.

Those facts being said let’s talk about the negatives

1. The show is not consistent with this because there are episodes that clearly ignore he is one. (Miracular and chat blanc to name a few) this is my main problem.

2. The treatment of sentimonsters has been mainly awful, even the human passing ones. The only human sentimonster that is treated remotely like a person outside of Adrien and Felix was sentibug. And even then she was poofed easily right after gaining sentience. If the show wants to make Adrien and Felix sentimonsters yet (Special) they need to really clarify what makes them different for the audience. (This can be rectified but needs to be made clear)

3. The same effect could have been accomplished if the rings were made to control Adrien and Felix. Seriously, just have like the rings either be sentimonsters, or be a microscopic creature that is inside Adrien and Felix that controls them like an obedience chip. It still allows for Adrien and Felix to be controlled and allows for the control to still be broken in a clear way.

4. There is no true way of Adrien and Felix being able to live peacefully so long as the peacock miraculous can thanos them in an instant.

In the end I still do not like the sentimonster business. But saying it ruins Adrien or Felix as characters is bullshit. My complaints about it are mainly from the mechanics set by writing not by the characters being affected.

I also should mention. This is my opinion and no one has to agree with it. I would love to hear counterpoints

[car-toons]

My Thoughts on the Sentimonster Theory

As someone who loves Adrien and his character arc, I have not talked about the sentimonster theory once on this blog. And honestly, I felt like there was no need to talk about it until we got Ephemeral and even then, I wanted to wait. But now that Risk is out and presents some clear evidence, I simply cannot ignore it anymore.

I did not like the sentimonster theory initially, and I thought the theory was pretty “out there” theory wise. When the fandom freaked out about the scene in Mega Leech where Gabriel twists the ring, I thought nothing of it. I thought it was coincidental. My perspective then changed when Ephemeral came out. The twisting of the ring was more evident and Adrien’s drastic shift from resisting the akuma to succumbing so quickly shook me to my core. How could someone make such a drastic switch like that, and the camera focuses directly on the ring as well. My doubts were on the rise. The episode Gabriel Agreste reaffirms this with Gabriel’s desperation to get Felix’s ring back and when he tells Felix that he could just snap his fingers to ruin his life.

And of course, this brings us to Risk. There are two scenes I want to point out. First, when Gabriel hands the ring to Natalie, he tells her to not only protect his wife’s ring, but his son. I screamed, I’m not gonna lie. After he said that, I took it as proof of canon, that Adrien is indeed a sentimonster.

However, the show wanted to drive the point home when Felix (disguised as Adrien) stands up to Gabriel and Gabriel looks at him in shock when his ring is missing. Gabriel has this fear of Adrien not listening to him because it could compromise his identity as Shadowmoth. In his mind, if Adrien does not obey, his curiosity could lead him to the unwanted truth. He is trying to keep Adrien safe and when Adrien starts to question this, Gabriel does not have a response for him except to tell him to obey with the ring. When it’s gone, he is lost. The music in the background is telling as well, and the strings create this sense of emotion for the audience to realize that what we feared is true. It also represents Gabriel’s fear as well, which is an artistic choice that executed the importance of this moment really well.

But what do I think of Adrien being a sentimonster? At first, I hated the prospect of it because I thought it would ruin his character since he’s technically not human. But now, I think it actually enhances his development. The only difference between a human and a sentibeing is that a sent being is created through the connection of an object and if someone else has that object, then they have the ability to have control over them.

Think back to the episode Ladybug. When Chat Noir describes the Ladybug sentimonster, he says this…

But she's so much more elaborate than any of those we've faced before! She's so perfect, there's nothing monstrous about her at all! - Chat Noir

Sentimonsters are NOT monstrous UNLESS they are made to be monstrous. The Ladybug sentimonster was made to be a perfect representation of the real Ladybug. And as a fandom, we all LOVED sentibug! When she was given her own freedom, she acted just as human as any other and since she is a copy of Ladybug, she acted like Ladybug would act (again, RIP sentibug).

So back to Adrien. We can all agree Adrien is NOT monstrous at all and, in fact, he is quite the opposite. He is described as “perfect” and I call him “sunshine boy” here on this blog for a reason. He represents the goodness in a life full of lore, evil, secrets, and controversy, yet he makes a deliberate choice to be his own individual. Adrien wanted to go to school, gain friendships, and live a life of freedom as Chat Noir. All of these are things his father is against. Adrien COULD be an awful and terrible person, and yet, he isn’t. Him being a sentimonster DOES NOT CHANGE THAT! This new revelation adds another layer to Adrien’s doubt in his identity and is going to push him to learn and grow about himself. He is going to grow and develop after he finds out, no matter what.

I know there are individuals who are afraid of what the sentimonster theory conformation is going to do to Adrien’s character development. As someone who has watched many shows at a deep level, I can be the first to tell you that character development is never a straight path, there are highs and lows. Imagine a graph that starts at 0, character development zig zags up and down the graph as the line steadily increases. I would say the Adrienette ship looks like that, with it starting at the very bottom and zig zagging with the transition ships, but now, Marinette and Adrien are stronger together than ever before. When looking at Adrien specifically, the sentimonster theory is a sharp turning point for his development, but he is going to steadily learn more about himself.

That is the beauty of development, and cartoons that present it in this zig zag pattern shows the realness of how we as people grow and develop. Sometimes, we go through seasons where we have met that peak of growth and self actualization. There are also times where we fall down and cannot climb back out of the hole we dug ourselves in. Adrien is going through the same patterns, and his arc is a representation of how we feel as individuals. My point is that Adrien is human in spirit, and him being a sentimonster is just another layer he needs to fight before he reaches his peak in development. Once he gets the object containing his amok, he can live a normal life just like everybody else. He can do what he wants. He can accomplish his dreams. He can love those who care for him.

And yes, Marinette and Adrien getting together despite Adrien being a sentibeing is not weird. Remember, Adrien has a human spirit since he wants to live a life like everybody else. No fears in that regard, I still ship the Love Square with all my being!

I don’t know what Strike Back has in store for us, but I do know that Adrien’s story is going to get deeper and more complicated with this new revelation. I don’t see Adrien’s character differently, but I see this as another obstacle he has to overcome. And I know I will be rooting for him as he enters that fight.

[nothingtherefornow]

At first I also beleive the theory of Lila being an adult with a condition that makes her look like a teenager, but while Miraculous can tackle serious subjects like parental abuse, mental trauma and its consequences, school bullying, and show quite serious scenes such as all the deceased Parisians transformed into Pompei-style statues in Cat Blanc, I don't think they will go as far as making Lila an adult, if only because it would make her a pedophile in view of her attraction towards Adrien.

Especially since in the Miraculous universe, 14 year olds seem to be fucking geniuses, you just have to see everything that characters like Marinette, Max, Adrien and Sabrina are capable of doing while they're still so young of which many adults would be incapable. So it wouldn't be that far fetched for Lila/Cerise/Iris to really be 14 years old and be a con artic with great hacking skills.

And I know for a fact that even at 14 years old, some deranged human being can be quite cruel and heartless in reality.

Now the question remain of when did Lila start collectioning false identities and mothers, and where her money come from (maybe she started with her own and slowly cummulated more from her fake families ?) Who knows how much pocket money from 3 different mothers who seem to live on a rather generous salary represents ?

Now I still think it would be interresting if Lila was at least 2 or 3 years older than Marinette and Adrien. It's not that much of gap in age that it would be schocking to see her being attracted to a 15 years old Adrien. And it would make Lila seems more twisted and truly dangerous and good at what she does if she can pass herself as younger than she is with her fake families and her school, and if she's ready to repeat her schooling at college in order to get closer to her targets use as many excuse as she wants for her absences in order to manage her other false identities (her repeated absences could indeed be more tolerated in college than in high school)

I also think that Lila having some kind of twisted crush toward Marinette would make their rivality more interresting in the future seasons rather than if Lila just hates Marinette purely due to her psycopahty which makes her deranged enough to intensely hate somoene for the pettiest reasons of all.

Syndrome from the Pixar movie The Incredibles, for example, at the very least guenuinly admired the Hero Mr Incredible, and due to his psycopathy, his feelings of betrayal and deception when Mr Incredible rejected him went overboard. But years later Syndrom also developped his own ambitions outside of his grudge toward his idol, and that's why he was such a good and memorable villain in my opinion.

Lila on the other hand, she hates Marinette and Ladybug to a passion only because they hurt her ego, and she doesn't seem to have any interresting ambition outside of ruining Maribug's life and becoming somoene famous and popular.

Some thoughts about Lila Rossi/Cerise Bianca/ Iris Verdi (Part 2)

Hi again....... Yes I am doing this again. To be honest it is not healthy how much I think of this character. But there are some more things to think about. Remember, english is just my second language. Enjoy!

If you think about it, the idea that Lila is an adult woman and not a teenager becomes more realistic. I mean think about it. Not only does she have multiple mothers and is going to different schools but she also got this weird lair underground. How can she do that? I mean if you rent that room, where did she get the money from? Or who is paying it for her?

Not just that. When Chloe got defeated and Cerise took miss Tsurugis Laptop, she must have used the alliance app program to protect herself. She used a skrewdriver to open it. Ok..... but don't you think that the laptop and the app should have a password or something like that? Are the writers trying to tell us, that she must have hacking skills now too?

How smart is this girl/woman supposed to be?

One thing is clear. The writers did not do the best job with making her look smart.

Also another thought about her last scene in season 5. You know? This "I look forward to seeing you again." Scene.

A few hours ago (while writing this) i saw a post where someone said that Lila's obsession with Marinette almost has a homosexual touch.....

I want to make it clear, that I don't like that idea all that much. It can be done well, I know the fanfictions but i would not like it when the writers did that. I would like them to stay rivals. Lila seemed like an Anti-Marinette.

However. We do have scenes where Lila has an evil smirk or is pleased with how things are going for her and this scene does not have that. Look it up I am waiting here.

She looks very calm and..... happy(?) in that moment. There is no malice in that smile. Again she is talking about Marinette here. So what is that?

So as much as I don't like that, we maybe should not throw that idea too far away.

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So yeah. Some more of my thoughts abou her. I am also thinking about writing a fanfic about her too. I don't want to tell you too much now. I am still thinking about it. If i do it, you will see it. Also i might do something like this "my thoughts about..." for Chloe too. We all probably think the same things here but still. Anyway. See you again soon!

[tenebraevesper]

I asked this to another blog, but do you think the Season 4 finale made salt fics that depict Adrien in a negative light, while Felix is depicted in a positive one (at least when the fic uses Félix Graham de Vanily, when the fic uses PV Felix it's a bit more understandable) age poorly?

(Tho I like I said to the other blog I asked this question to, I always found a bit questionable when salt fics did that, since Felix's actions in his debut episode were quite awful, like how he tried to forcibly get a kiss on Ladybug on his debut episode, and one of the main complaints people have about Chat Noir is about how forceful he can be with Ladybug, so I never undertstood why those fics gave Felix a pass)

So, for starters, fanfiction is just a person's interpretation of canon and I don't think it can ''age poorly''. If it were a theory, then I'd agree, as theories can turn out factually wrong or miss the mark, but fanfiction? No, not really. However, the writer/reader's taste can change and they would seek a different kind of story.

As for the main question, portraying Adrien in a negative and GdV!Félix in a positive light is understandable given that Adrien has given us much more reasons to criticize him than Félix, and the Season 4 finale, in my opinion, has changed nothing about that fact. As a matter of fact, the entirety of S4 has only solidified the perception that Adrien is a very unlikable character. All he does is complain, whine and put other people into unnecessary danger due to this obsession Ladybug (Lies, Sentibubbler, Kuro Neko and Chat Blanc), and he gets away with all of those actions because, as Astruc said, he is perfect and the world needs to cater to him. He never learns a damn thing and during the rare moments he decided to change, he goes right back to square one (Glaciator 2.0.).

This all makes Adrien a very frustrating character and his portrayal in salt fics actually isn’t that different from actual canon (at least in the salt fics I read) with one important difference - the writer puts emphasis on Adrien’s actions being wrong and problematic (while the canon show portrays his actions as him being in the right or completely glosses over them). I mean, considering how long Marinette had dealt with Adrien’s harassment, I’m surprised she hadn’t thrown him into a trash bin earlier. The Season 4 finale isn’t better in that regard either, as Adrien’s “supportive” actions come off as incredibly selfish or entitled, or sound more like empty promises, especially when you take his behavior during the entire show into consideration. Season 4 finale basically tells us that Adrien was right in lying and manipulating Ladybug (Kuro Neko), that he was right in refusing to communicate with her (despite the fact that she asked him several times to talk to her, e.g. Rocketear), that he was right to be reckless and add to Ladybug’s stress (Lies), etc.

Compare this to Félix, whose actions had actually been portrayed in the wrong in canon. He does something bad and he gets punished for it, e.g. attempting to kiss Ladybug in Félix and getting clocked for that - and please note, Félix kissing Ladybug only happened in that episode, while Adrien harassing Ladybug happened over the span of 4 Seasons. Even then, it was clarified that Félix did it to ruin Adrien’s image (thinking he has a celebrity crush on Ladybug) rather than creepily obsess over her (note the hundreds of photos on Adrien’s phone, which I’m pretty sure were taken without Ladybug’s knowledge). Frankly, if I had to pick between Félix and Adrien in this situation, I’d pick Félix, as he appears to be the more reasonable one (after all, Adrien’s reaction to being rejected is to refuse to help Ladybug defeat an Akuma - Frozer & Glaciator; and when Rena Rouge told him that her plan excluded him in Sentibubbler, he destroyed a chimney in a fit of rage, making him come off as very unhinged).

Then, there is also the fact that Astruc seemingly hates Félix, going by his Twitter comments, and people usually like to side with the underdog.

The last argument in favor of Félix is the fact that, unlike Adrien (whose go-to solution to a problem is to whine and complain until gets his way), he’s portrayed as intelligent, resourceful and competent (Gabriel Agreste, Risk, Strike Back). Considering how Adrien does absolutely nothing to contribute to the plot, even in episodes that focus on him (Lies, The Collector), is it really a surprise people prefer Félix over him?

As for Félix’s actions in the Season 4 finale, I can assure you that Félix!Fans acknowledge that him betraying Ladybug was awful. I acknowledge that this was a dire move on his part (and foolish - he could’ve just stolen all of the Miraculous). However, you need to take into account that Félix was always a morally grey character whose actions were supposed to benefit him and not other people. He isn’t a superhero and we know that, but we still want to see what he’s going to do in the future because he’s just that interesting. This is what makes him more intriguing than Adrien and a character I want to root for (and ignore Astruc’s passive aggressive commentary).

To keep it short, Félix gets a pass because he isn’t an obsessive creep and is a more interesting character than Adrien.

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The Adrien isn't a Sentimonster Theory

One of the common problems within the area of fan theory is that fandoms tend to find the theory they like and champion it instead of pointing out other contradicting theories and trying to see how they could work. I invite you to think with me on this idea of Adrien not being a sentimonster. To put aside your personal preference towards one theory and try to clearly think on the possibility that the theory is wrong and what that means. That is what this is about a thought expermint or look into how it could be possible that Adrien is not a sentimonster what that would mean and how that could work.

The first question then to ask is why would Adrien as a sentimonster not work? A answer to this question if taken down would go a long way at explaining why Adrien maybe is not a sentimonster, and as it stands I only see one really good reason why it is hard to argue that Adrien is not a sentimonster and that is that the foreshadowing the show has given looks like the writers deliberately lying to you to pull a "ha, fooled you" which would ruin the integrity of the show. This does not have to be the case though and here I will attempt to explain why.

Foreshadowing is used for prompting the audience in something to come up later in the text of a material however, the comparison between Adrien and a sentimonster is not foreshadowing but simply comparison. See the point of Adrien being shown to have some sentimonster characteristics is not to make you think he is a sentimonster but to make you wonder what is the difference between him and a sentimonster. To which the answer is not a lot. The extent of Gabriel's controlling nature and the nature of Adrien's life and his own personality have left him completely and totally terrified and cowed by his father. The failure to follow instructions has nothing to do with being controlled by an amok but Adrien might as well be controlled by one their is not much difference. Adrien stuck at his door wanting to disobey his father's order to go downstairs and help is similar to the actions of a sentimonster being asked to follow or obey an order but it could very well also just be the actions of a kid terrified to disobey his father.

This is the work around some problems are that this is the point of making Adrien a sentimonster in the first place to communicate this helplessness to other kids for them to better understand the situation. Therefore, this type of reading is a more adult reading that can be determined by adults more easily due to more experience in the world and seeing these events.

At the same time this counter argument is a little unsatisfying it makes an assumption that kids cannot understand things or relate their own experiences to a character. This reading of Adrien as not a sentimonster might be more confusing to kids in better relationships with their parents, but would seem to be more understandable by kids in bad relationships with their parents.

It is an interesting thought to dwell on.

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Alright. I've been convinced.

No spoilers for anything past Multiplication here because I haven't seen anything past Kwami's Choice part 1 and don't want to ruin it for anyone else. Tagged as spoilers just in case.

If you had asked me just, like, a month or two ago, I would have told you there was no way that Adrien was a sentimonster. I would have said that was an unsatisfying conclusion for his character. I would have said it was too dark for a show targeted toward younger audiences. I would have said the evidence for that theory was all either circumstantial or filtered through confirmation bias.

If you were to tell me right now, after I've seen Risk, Strikeback, Evolution, and Multiplication, that Adrien is NOT a sentimonster, I would say that you're in denial. I would remind you of how Gabriel flinched, looking almost scared, when Felix stood up to him while he wasn't wearing his ring, as if for the first time in his life he didn't have control. I would remind you that ever since Nathalie's been given that ring, Gabriel has stopped commanding Adrien and has instead started manipulating Adrien, as if for the first time in his life just giving him a direct order isn't going to work. I would remind you that in this show there are three separate high-class families with strong connections to each other and unrestricted access to the peacock miraculous with single parents raising their only children - children who are each socially awkward in their own ways and have similar struggles comprehending the people around them - because their significant other is simply not there. I would remind you that in a future that has since been erased, Adrien fought alongside his father and handed over his miraculous after trying so desperately to resist his father's commands that it seemed to be causing physical pain, only to slip into an exhausted, nearly emotionless version of himself who did whatever his father asked of him without question before he was ever akumatized into Ephemeral.

I could write that off as a high stress moment and some weird animation. I could write off Gabriel's constant twisting of his ring as just a nervous tick. I could write off Felix's strange obsession with two very plain silver rings and his willingness to trade literally every miraculous ever for just one of them as just a wacky villain plot. However, taking all of these things into account with the changes in Gabriel we've seen this season after he stopped wearing the ring, I can no longer entertain the thought that Adrien is just a normal boy like everyone else. This kid is a sentimonster 100%.