#The Winchesters wank

[supernaturalnardog]

Is this enough times for everyone to admit that a spn prequel not including BOTH Sam and Dean just WON’T work and stop trying? The magic of Supernatural is Sam and Dean together and that’s just facts. Make a young Sam and Dean prequel or stop trying.

[wastemanjohn]

i'm not at all bothered about people disliking john because entirely valid tbh and someone else's opinion changes nothing for me. i just think the militant anti john brigade - that is, those that make up textually unsupported and entirely leftfield reasons to dislike him - are really missing out.

the thing is, we've got an absolute buffet of an interesting and irreparably fucked up character here. we could debate the absolute Horrors of john winchester and his a+ parenting for days on end literally from the two seconds of screentime he had. because he does suck! it's totally fair to say that canon john is selfish, neglectful and at best emotionally abusive. now i'm defo no apologist (see username) - but he's also the furthest thing from a cardboard shitty abusive dad. there is serious context for the things he does and the way he thinks.

john's life was hell man. his own dad, for all he knew, abandoned him. he went to war young and almost certainly came back with ptsd. these things alone don't exactly make life easy but then your wife burns to death on a ceiling and you're left a widower and a single dad to a baby and a pre schooler before you're even thirty? then discover that it couldn't even be a plain old housefire but no - there is actual Evil out there and you and your children are not safe and never will be?

the desire for revenge is understandable. the desire to do stupid and paradoxically dangerous things to protect your children are understandable. right, good or healthy? no. but understandable. and that's what makes a good sympathetic character.

basically i think a lot of negative readings of john exaggerate the badness of his intentions and ignore his humanity. it's also understandable that john is not a beacon of emotional regulation. it's also understandable that he cant always balance being emotionally and physically there for his kids with Fighting The Horrors. pour alcohol misuse onto this dumpster fire and you're not getting a perfect person, or a perfect parent. you're getting a broken human who was focused only on keeping his kids safe, alive, protected, and able to protect themselves. sure, he had tunnel vision about it. he did it very badly. he controlled sam as the youngest and parentified dean as the oldest. he made sam feel misunderstood and smothered. he made dean feel completely responsible for the welfare of his brother and dependent on john's praise and approval as his second in command.

john fucked his kids up IMMEASURABLY. he thought he was doing the right thing.

also - remember young john? remember how he's softly spoken and loves his cars and adores his girlfriend and respects his fucking elders and, to quote mary, "believes in happy endings"? remember the doting dad we see for like a minute in the pilot? is that not meant to show us that, had his life not taken the turn it did - he would likely have been an entirely different person? how is the tragedy of that not also completely DELICIOUS??

so why homophobic john? why john who beat dean senseless regularly? why john who gave no shits and wanted his boys to be miserable? why these embellishments that make him someone else, someone with nothing good inside of him, when what canon gives us is so much better?

come on guys. the tragic messy sad angry selfish HUMAN john we got in the show is an absolute treat. why are we making him an irredeemable, unfeeling and uncomplicated asshole who doesn't give a shit about his boys. ya'll saw him spending a good 50% of his screen time crying about how much he loved them right? and sam and dean KNEW he loved them. they also knew, or in dean's case came to realise, that he was a terrible father in many ways. real life is messy and nuanced. families are messy and nuanced. and imo spn got this so right.

[overrated-sheep]

STOP mischaracterizing Dean please GOD TAKE OFF THE UWU GOGGLES FOR ONE SECOND!! He’s a big mean bastard with a savior complex, abandonment issues, mommy AND daddy AND brother issues, he’s sadistic, he’s arrogant, he’s violent, he’s cocky and all of that is wrapped up in a like really absurd display of machismo. AND I LOVE IT!! I FUCK WITH HOW WEIRD AND TOXIC AND OFF PUTTING DEAN WINCHESTER IS!

I LOVE AND ACCEPT HIM AS HE IS! I COULDNT FIX HIM!! BUT I WOULD NEVER WANT TO!!!!

[cascigarette]

imagine thinking sam "I felt like a freak my whole life amongst my family and my peers and society as a whole" winchester isn't queer coded

[flowersintheimpala69]

“wait so you support incest??” well obviously and because I like Hannibal too I support cannibalism and murder and since I like the saw franchise I endorse torture and because I like the xmen I believe I possess superpowers cuz obviously fiction = reality

Like Leave me aloneeee my god

[sammygender]

dean literally tried to kill himself in an attempt to bring sam back to life…….when has dean ever been functional in response to sam’s death

[samwinchestermydude]

I think we as Sam fans should be more annoying and loud about the fact that his crossroad demons were men twice.

(This is me being pissed off about how people will say dean is of course bi due to some dumb shit like the siren, which was his brother, and “bi lighting” or something, and then turn around and say Sam is the straightest character. Like what.)

[nobodymitskigabriel]

Ik i just made a post about this but have dean fans really convinced themselves that dean cries himself to sleep at night because no one believes he can read? Dean can make fun sam all he wants but the moment sam raises his eyebrows at dean it's because he's an elitist who thinks dean has never opened a book before? They are siblings who tease each other. Even his little "hey, i read"s are in jest because he knows he's being a damn hypocrite.

[lilacpaperbird]

sometimes I see a post that reminds me that, for a sizable part of the spn fandom, sam is just a boring guy whose only role is to roll his eyes at dean and cas's quirky gay shenanigans. I don't even hate these people I'm just baffled by their existence

[blacknidstang]

Man i love bitchy sam but i so don't understand how people would think he'd be the same person after eons of being tortured in hell and every god awful thing he went through. Even after s4 sam was never the same. Yes i think the writing could go better in late seasons in many ways but what do you expect even. Plus sam DOES has the sass even in late season, jared still channels it but also like, he is fucked up kicked down and tortured and traumaized man and how do you want him to stay the same cocky bold and bitchy twink he used to be when he was still a baby!???

[holyfreaks]

can we start treating fictional characters as fictional characters and real people as real people instead of the other way around ://

[deanscutiepiesam]

The worst part about Sam hate is that if he could see it, he'd believe every horrible, incorrect word. Like he's so guilty, especially in the later seasons, that he'd just accept all the hate and believe he deserves it. Wouldn't even try to defend himself.

They can never make me hate you, baby girl. You've always done the best you could. ♡

[sammygender]

hilarious phenomenon in this fandom where people will genuinely switch sam and cas in their heads despite proclaiming to like both. ‘i love sam but he’s easily corrupted by power-’ that’s cas. ‘isn’t it crazy how dean falls into suicidal despair and can’t function whenever cas dies’ that’s sam. just because they’re two beautiful queens doesn’t mean we can confuse them……..

[samwinchestermydude]

twitter is a scary place with bad spn takes. (Tumblr too sometimes but I feel like twiter infighting in the fandom is more toxic.) Someone once posted as a joke “John Winchester good. John Winchester bad. Who cares. John Winchester sexy.” And they got crucified. Ppl were genuinely like omg your romanticizing abuse and don’t you know he’s abusive. It was pretty fucking funny but also stupid to see so many ppl get mad over a shitpost. Anyways John Winchester sexy <3

[nobodymitskigabriel]

A poor person being frustrated and resentful due to their lack of access to basic needs, wishing they weren't poor, and taking steps to change their circumstances is not what classism is.

[sammybeann]

I've been seeing a particular back and forth on the spn fandom side of tumblr regarding Wincest shippers, and though nobody asked, I'm voicing my opinion on the discourse.

The amount of time and energy people put into genuinely loathing those who enjoy a particular ship is astonishing.

To say people who enjoy Wincest are freaks, disgusting, and to even wish harm upon them is fucking WILD.

I'm unsure if anyone, especially Destiel shippers have got the memo, but they are ✨ fictional characters ✨

Enjoying the dynamic between brothers in a fictional sense doesn't mean shippers condone or practice incest in their day to day lives. Like wtf are you even smoking?

Castiel tortured Jimmy Novak, literally got him killed then continued to wear him as a meatsuit and y'all are wet at the prospect of Dean fucking the body of a man who didn't consent.

Tell me how that ship makes you any more moral that Wincest shippers.

People have real lives, families, friends, jobs, and to come on here, a site where people should be allowed to be themselves and enjoy their fandoms, and harp on how they're lesser than because you don't agree with them?

Fucking utterly pathetic, and I'm sorry you're so angry inside. Truly. Here's hoping for some personal growth from some of y'all.