#Thailand and ladyboy also!!!!

[namtanlovesfilm]

damnn someone on twitter found this 2021 video and now everyone's shitting on namtan https://twitter.com/tiwporer/status/1653452625193336850

I'm not gonna defend her bc I do not speak for the trans community & especially not the thai trans community, but I think that, once again, inter fans are completely forgetting the cultural aspect as to why namtan might have said that. namtan herself has always described herself as a "katoey" bc she mostly hangs out with queer trans people, and while that doesn't excuse anything it can show you her mindset. moreover, in a culture where "ladyboys" are not really fully seen as trans women, we also have to understand why it's more accepted in thailand to refer to a "ladyboy" as a man or whatever, though I think attitudes are changing with social media introducing the concept of transness from the west to thai people. so I am not surprised at all tbh, when gmmtv have edited a beard on jennie, and most of jennie's humor herself is referring to herself as a man & putting on a fake beard (not saying it's okay, but it just shows the culture surrounding "ladyboys".) moreover, this clip is from jennie's channel which means her & her editors did not find any fault in what namtan said. once again, I'm not saying all of this is okay, I'm just saying that it's not right to not take the cultural aspect into consideration before painting everything with a broad brush, when "ladyboys" have been a reality in thailand for way longer than openly trans people in the west, and also were & somewhat still are regarded as a separate third gender rather than fitting in the binary. in fact, if you are a gay or bi man, you do not fit in the category of "man" either according to thai culture, bc in thailand gender is seen as intertwined with sexuality therefore there are way more than two or three genders. so ALL OF THAT TO SAY that I understand being offended & hurt by this and the many other examples of transphobia or at least insensitivity towards trans people coming from thai actors, but I don't think it's right either to view a different culture through the western lens you were raised with, and cultural difference & history should be taken into account. do with all that info what you will.

xxx

[randomnoteforfuturereference]

This is immensely significant.

For some, it just happening now may almost feel surprising considering Thailand's reputation as a fairly queer-friendly destination for tourists, as well as being well-known for khathoys (ie "ladyboys" as they were commonly called; thankfully that term's fading).

However, it's important to note that Thailand is a very socially and religiously conservative country. And even the general social tolerance of the queer community had long been "As long as it's not me" and the view of activism being "Don’t rock the boat".

But at the same time, the foundation was there, and it contrasts significantly with the rest of the region.

Also, it was noticeable that within just the past few years, there had been a rapid normalization of same sex relationships in media and even advertising. Contrast with just the prior decade when you had two main options as a queer character: the comic relief or a source of angst.

Ironically, what probably helped its passage is the "family values" messaging that appeals to the Thai brand of social conservativism.

What would also be interesting is to see how areas that have been more resistant to change react (I would like to see the actual breakdown of who voted for and against, but Google has not been my friend) and how it may have an effect on neighboring countries.

Anywhoo... Thais deserve to celebrate this moment.

[endingboyhansel]

Welcome back to this whole analysis business. Today we’re talking about Alan Partridge and his repressed bisexuality. He’s definitely an interesting character to talk about when it comes to his attitudes with anyone queer!

I’ve probably missed out other stuff, or gotten things wrong, so if that’s the case, feel free to add on or correct me!

It is no surprise to anyone that has seen the Alan Partridge franchise that Alan in his early days is a bigot. He occasionally followed remarks with “and please don’t write in saying that is [discrimination], it’s not” and has a general very dislikable attitude towards those that are minorities. Later on in the franchise he does adopt a much more polite attitude, though keeps quite a bit of stereotypes when discussing minority groups.

His attitude towards queer people, however, is very interesting. Alan describes himself as a “homoskeptic” - thinly veiling homophobia - and acts negatively towards Glen Ponder when he finds out he’s gay. Alan has also shown transphobia, such as dismissing a trans woman on KMKYWAP - though in more recent shows he seems to have become more relaxed.

However despite this open attitude, Alan has a lot of telling facts about him that hint towards the fact he is heavily repressed in his own sexuality.

Let’s talk first about his attitude to trans people. In the I'm Alan Partridge episode Watership Alan, it is revealed Alan watched a short bit of a porno film titled “Bangkok Chickboys” to which he denies to the staff of the hotel. As the conversation goes on, it becomes more and more obvious that Alan watched this on purpose.

Now it’s important to understand the meaning of “chickboy”. Chickboy in this refers to the term kathoey. In English it has two meanings - trans women or effeminate gay men. In Thailand, the term can also mean being intersex.

Another thing of note is that the term is also named “ladyboy” and this is how they are referred to throughout the series. It is made very clear that the meaning of “ladyboy” to Alan is trans women. Alan seems to express some sexual interest, if the above example and his fascination suffice.

—

One of the biggest mysteries of I'm Alan Partridge is what is in the drawer of Alan’s desk.

Episode 1: Lynn: For example, in this drawer… (opens the drawer and pauses, shocked) You, er… you have, er, things, and um… sometimes, you have too many things. (Later in the conversation) Alan: They were there when I moved in.

While Armando Iannucci says that the contents of Alan’s drawer are of magazines of fat women on the toilet (in Dutch) this doesn’t really seem to make sense given Alan’s disgust of “water sports”.

Steve Coogan, Alan’s actor, says in contrast in the commentary for the show that the contents of the drawer is a plastic cock.

However it should be important to know that it was never decided what was really in the drawer. Honestly it’s completely up to interpretation of the viewer, though it very much leans towards something that implies Alan’s repressed sexuality.

Throughout season 1 of IAP, Alan has daydreams where he is acting as a stripper for someone important, most of the time Tony Hayers. Alan seems perfectly willing to let himself act this way in these daydreams, despite the fact that in the real world he has a clear hatred for these people.

Episode 1: Daydream Alan: Would you like me to lap dance for you? Daydream Hayers: (offers money) Daydream Alan: Nuh-uh. I want a second series.

Alan seems to also have some kind of celebrity crush on Roger Moore. He notes him in KMKYWAP as his favourite Bond actor and keeps a framed picture of him in his room at the Travel Tavern. It is also revealed that he keeps this portrait of Moore in his daydreams.

One thing that’s important to know regarding Alan’s sexuality is his relationship with Michael.

While Michael never refers to Alan other than “Mr Partridge” and Alan treats Michael with some disdain, the two have a notably strong bond, with Alan even calling him a friend.

In This Time, we look at Alan’s photo gallery. While his gallery contains photos of, among several things, pictures of Noel Edmonds and Alan posing with a car, one of the photos in Alan’s gallery is Michael, followed by a drawing of him.

The fact there’s a drawing of Michael is very telling. Michael tended to not have any real friends apart from Alan, so it can be implied this is Alan’s own drawing of Michael. But then, why did Alan draw Michael? It seems a tad odd.

When Alan and Michael finally reunite after the latter being missing for a decade in From the Oasthouse, Alan is clearly very happy to see him.

Alan: Oh my god. It’s ringing. I think I might have solved it. … nah, he’s absolutely going to hate- Hello? Michael: Hello? Alan: Michael? Michael: Aye. Alan: Oh my god, oh my god- Michael… it’s- it’s- it’s Alan. […] Michael: Oh hello Mr Partridge! Alan: Yeah, that’s me! Yeah! I knew you’d remember! Michael: Aye. Alan: I- oh my god, I can’t believe I’m talking to you. Michael: Aye. Alan: I can’t believe I’m actually speaking to you. […] Alan: It’s actually you. You didn’t drown then! Michael: Me? No. Alan: Are you alright? Michael: Aye. Alan: Oh I’m glad because we- we used to have fantastic chats didn’t we? […] Alan (after the call is over): Ah, that was amazing. I got goosebumps again now.

While Alan has had friendships (Simon) and rivalries (Simon & Clifton), Michael is the one friend he’s had permanently over his time in the franchise, and is one of the few main recurring characters - alongside Lynn.

—

Anyway thanks for reading my lil analysis on this silly little pathetic guy /aff. Hope you enjoyed reading, and I hope it gave you something to think about.

[biandlovingitsworld]

I was running a very small apartment building in an ethnic neighborhood near a very prestigious medical college.

I had a tenant they were from Thailand, the mother and two daughters.

One day the mother walked in on me as I was fucking a very young lady. She froze watching my big cock.

Next week she was on her knees sucking me off and screaming as I fucked her tight cunt.

Later on i found out she didn't have two daughters, one was a ladyboy.

She was so petite her nipples were bigger then her tiny tits. Her hands barley wrapped around my cock. She begged me not to tell momma, she squealed screaming as I fucked her boi pussy.

She told her sister how big my cock was and her sister would visit me also.

Every week all three visited me, mom and one daughter only let me fuck their cunts. They said i wouldn't fit in their ass.

Each one barely weighed 100 pounds.

But my favorite was the ladyboy by far!

Sounds like a lucky ladyboy

[bl-bam-beyond]

PAST-SENGER: THE SERIES (2023, THAILAND)

An AIS PLAY ORIGINAL. We get Bohn from My Engineer as Kiew (PATPASIT NA SONGKHLA aka COOPER) and Itt from My Gear Your Gown as Bamee (PAHUN JIYACHAROEN aka MARC) and Tong from I WILL KNOCK YOU as Plawan (CHAYAPAT WIRATYOSIN aka MILO)

The story is Kiew is transported from 1995 to 2022 where he meets Bamee a guy he had a dream about while in 1995.

He also comes across a friend of his (from 1995) who is an adult in 2022 with a son Plawan (I Love His Smile) who seemingly likes Bamee.

Yet Kiew is a closed minded guy with a 1995 mentality calling Plawan a "ladyboy" when he reveals he likes another guy Bamee.

Yet Kiew is the one Bamee seems to like. As the series progresses Mr. 1995 might be the "ladyboy"

Hmmm, I don't know what it is but this series intrigues me. Definitely not the special effects or the dialogue (I mean ladyboy...really)but that can be excused because he is from a different time (1995)

But I'll stick around for Episode 2 because of these 3. Kiew, Plawan & Bamee.

[fellasleepinbaltimore]

also thailand loves to act like people in the west are fucking ridiculous about trans people when in reality ladyboys are not more respected bc they admit they're men like... they would still be seen as freaks and mentally ill... like the white guy that comments "at least they're honest and reasonable here not like in the west right now they don't even know what a woman is" still thinks ur a freak like... he still thinks ur an aberration and shouldn't be around children or be seen or heard from in popular media...

[cmuabroad2025]

This is gonna be a long wait

I started the process for this study abroad program in March, even thought the program doesn't start until the Spring semester next year. I'm glad I have plenty of time to prepare, but I know I'm going to get sick of waiting. The anticipation actually might kill me.

I am very excited to stay in Chiang Mai! Coming across this program and its courses was honestly like striking gold. As an anthro and religious studies major, finding study abroad programs that fit course requirements is basically like finding a needle in a haystack. There's countless programs for business, poli sci, engineering, and even biology majors. And I completely understand why, those fields are in high demand, with countless departments existing at universities all over the planet. Anthropology can't exactly say the same for itself because it's a lot more niche.

But CMU has a very fascinating anthropology department, which includes plenty of religious studies topics related to Buddhism! I'm taking a class on Buddhist psychology, exploring the mental process of Buddhist monasticism. I'm also excited for their class on Highland Ethnic Peoples in Northern Thailand. The area has an amazing cultural history that I'd never heard about or considered before finding this program. The general area of Mainland Southeast Asia (i.e., Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, and Myanmar) has a history that has been incredible to research. It is such a rich, beautiful, and ancient tapestry of cultures that is never really touched on in American education outside the Vietnam War, which is the most infuriating context to put Vietnam into. There is more to a country than any war, especially a pointless war that forced their hand. The United States literally lost that war, but you would never be able to tell that from reading most history textbooks.

As a queer person (bisexual, nb "woman" lol) I am also interested in seeing Thailand's queer culture first-hand. At this point in the west, I feel like one thing Thailand is really known for is their cultural openness to queer people, specifically transgender individuals. The term "ladyboy" is thrown around a lot, and while I have heard several trans women in Thailand use this word to refer to themselves, I'm not sure how appropriate it is for others to address them this way. I'm also aware that the queer culture most think of in regards to Thailand is based more in the region of Bangkok in Southern Thailand. I haven't heard a lot about the LGBTQ community in Northern Thailand, but I'm sure there's some kind of presence. If such a large queer community in my Alabama hometown can exist, I'm sure they have something there.

Anyways, up until the semester begins, I'll probably just use this blog to talk about any interesting information that I learn about Mainland Southeast Asia's histories, cultures, and religions. I also might rant about the process from time-to-time, ask for input if I get any engagement, and cry about how expensive everything is. If you've been to Chiang Mai/studied at CMU, please hit me up! I have autism and ADHD so I think it would help me a lot if I had a better idea of what to expect.

[namtanlovesfilm]

I've been wondering something and maybe you have an insight into this since you're currently living in Thailand: How aware are Thai people of certain issues around the world? How exposed are they to them? Or how aware are they of certain American actors being "problematic"? I ask because I sometimes see takes where people from western countries (mostly the US) criticise Thai actors or shows for something that I frankly wonder if the actors/show creators in question are even aware of. Speaking as someone from the west but not an English-speaking country, if I wasn't constantly online (and online in THESE specific tumblr spaces), I wouldn't be aware American/British actor X, Y or Z is problematic, or aware of certain issues in America, the UK, etc. But I don’t know what the situation is like in Thailand, so I thought maybe you have a better idea of it.

so that's a really good question that I've thought about for many years, and here's my personal take on it: while young thai people are very aware of the world around them through social media, I often think people don't look at cultural differences when criticizing an actor's behavior. one of the most obvious examples would be the difference between trans women in the west & ladyboys in thailand, which, yes, for the most part, are the same thing, but culturally ladyboys have been seen more as a third gender in thailand, and that for literal centuries. what I mean to say is that as aware about certain things as younger thai people are, they're still a result of their own culture, and often judging certain words or behaviors from other countries through a western lense is problematic. it reminds me of when people said tay was doing cultural appropriation for wearing a headwear of a traditional hilltribe FROM THAILAND, but people saw something that resembled native american headwear & ran with it. so in my opinion, a lot of actors aren't even aware that people are mad at them for certain things, for example when people were trying to cancel off for being allegedly "transphobic", that was all inter fans. not one thai fan batted an eye about it, bc they actually have the cultural context that goes with it. in general I would really advocate for more nuance in these types of discourse, bc leftist spaces online are great & all but also tend to lack nuance & really become dogpiling at the snap of a finger. if an actor can't even read english that well, how do you expect them to be woke to western issues that have been primarily discussed online in english? the thing is you can't. so in general younger thai people know about all the things like cultural appropriation, transphobia, etc. but when it comes to more specific issues of particular celebrities being cancelled for x y or z, I don't think most of them know at all.

xxx

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[cuttingcophater]

but i also think that you'd notice: in every culture, some variation of transgenderism exists. ladyboys in thailand, fa'afafine in american samoa, two spirit in native american culture, sistergirl and brotherboy in aboriginal australian culture... and these are all pretty old things, well before the internet etc. advanced indigenous australian civilisations have been around for 60,000 years and stories about sistergirls (one of whom i met literally like five hours ago, she's a very well respected elder of her community and a staunch climate activist) have been passed down.

how would you explain this phenomenon?

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[gandalfsbignaturals]

god there's a REASON why thailand is like, a hotspot for trans women SRS all around the world, and it's specifically because the long-established ladyboy community there has led to like. just such huge advancements in both top and bottom surgeries. so like, anon really gotta be fucking grateful to ladyboys for advancing medical tech, to the point where today, trans women from all around the world go to thailand to get top and bottom surgery

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[orangeburrit0]

Thai person here.

Claiming Thailand has no/does not conform to the gender binary is disingenuous, incorrect and straight up lying.

Male and female gender roles were always a part of Thailand's history.

Society very clearly revolved around a binary, with strict and rigid sex roles.

A woman's role was to be a submissive wife and mother (sometimes concubine and basically servant), subordinate to her husband.  Women were excluded from the public or political sphere, as their only place was in the home.  They are conspicuously absent from most historical records and lacked voices.

Legal recognition of male superiority/patriarchal inheritance was established during the Sukhothai period.  (some interpretations of Buddhism were used to prop up that idea)

The idea that the "third gender" was a prevalent, open thing is wrong.  It was a term with negative connotations, that othered homosexual people, forcing them to hide their orientation or risk ostracism and possibly punishment.

(In Buddhism, people of the "third gender" were pitied as they were disqualified from becoming monks)

The actual meaning of "เพศที่สาม" (third gender) in the Thai language is vague and nebulous.  Most people think of it as referring to people of "the other gender", which include and are limited to homosexual people.

It's a blanket term or short descriptor for the following:

- กะเทย/ตุ๊ด (Kathoey or "ladyboy": gay men who like crossdressing or homosexual transwomen)

- เกย์ (gay men)

- ทอม and ดี้ (analogous to butch and femme lesbians)

There are no native Thai concepts or words for genderless/nonbinary people or heterosexual transsexuals.  (what words do exist are loanwords that were introduced by western ideologies)

If you ask people as to whether เกย์, ทอม and ดี้ (gay men and lesbians) are in fact men and women or a third gender, you'll get different opinions.  It's not particularly a clear-cut definition, and the "third gender" label can sort of be called slang.

(Oh, and fun fact: nobody views kathoeys as women. We know)

TL;DR third gender = homosexuals, with a special category for kathoeys.

While Thai society is passively accepting of the LGBT community*, to call it a totally progressive and modern culture is incorrect.  It's still very much a country with traditional norms and values, especially when it comes to gender roles (as mentioned above)

*In most households being gay or a kathoey will definitely disappoint your mother and family before they eventually resign themselves to it.

Women are still raised to be more submissive and deferential, to preferably keep their virginity for their husband, and to prioritize children over their own careers.

It's widely accepted for men to visit prostitutes, even after marriage.  (Obviously it's forbidden for women to do the same)

The tradition of having multiple wives (เมียน้อย) is still in practice today, among higher levels of Thai society.  (despite it not being strictly legal)

Thai women have a different view of relationships than western women (relationships are also economic), and are less independent.  Many of them become prostitutes to earn a living and try to find a long-term boyfriend or sugar daddy (A lot of western men come for the sex tourism and end up marrying prostitutes)

Abortion was illegal for the longest time until this year when they finally passed a law allowing them during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy.  (Women had to get illegal abortions that were dangerous and could result in infertility)

Speaking in such a condescending tone and assuming you know everything about Thailand because you, as a foreigner, lived there for a few years reeks of colonialism.

Stop appropriating Thai (or really, any other) culture and attempting to redefine what it is to fit your own western ideological narrative.

- Sincerely, all of ethnic radblr.

I mean the TERF cult has no grounding in reality.

But I think the epitome of this is that, I lived in a country for 7 years that doesn’t conform to the gender binary. Like, this is a modern, thriving culture, driving the most progressive society and strongest economy in the region. It literally exists in 2022 and it does not ascribe to the binary.

Me: *Mentions this to the TERF who somehow got their filthy hands on one of my posts*

TERF:

[namtanlovesfilm]

Hello! Idk how to approach this bc it's a sensitive issue. But I have a question. If you dont want to answer I understand. warning upsetting and sensitive subject ig. 

Was there ever a follow up on the ''drake is a potential transphobe'' issue? Bc i learned it from your blog, and the last thing i know abt is that he made a sorry a$$ excuse of an 'apology'. I just got rmded abt it when you rbed your 'my tee' gifset (damn that show was a rollercoaster of ‘wtfs’ lol). 

And since the actor ''O**.Pa***'', I want to be cautious about these issues (bc it came out of nowhere and slapped me in the face and I’ve been disgusted with him(O.Pa) ever since). 

I am asking you bc I dont know Thai ppl on here, and I learnt it(the drake situation) with you. I also know there is something culturally that could potentially also apply. That in country n1 (here Thailand) smthng happens is different from country n2 or 3 or 4. (like I rmbr abt the thing with cis actors who talked abt trans actors and everything). I agree abt the fact that we, I, come from NOT the same culture and we, I, have to take it into account.

 But in this case I'm REALLY not sure it’s about a ‘’different culture’’ situation. Bc you know, it was very transphobic and also yah andr** tat*... So ig I want to be sure abt the media/ppl I'm involving myself with. 

If you answer this thank you, and even if not.

hi! I've addressed the drake issue when a follower sent me his apology, which I personally thought was good bc he took accountibility & did say he respects everyone. the one thing missing was an explanation though, which is annoying bc it's what misses from most thai actors controversies. but personally, I did think he was being genuine & not a transphobe, though I am definitely biased since drake is one of my favorite thai actors. I've talked multiple times about the cultural differences between "ladyboys" (katoey) & trans people: though now most "ladyboys" now identify as trans women bc they've learned about the western term for it, they were historically considered as a sort of third gender in thailand. that means it is more globally accepted to say things about them in thailand that would be seen as insensitive in the west, and thai trans women themselves have grown accustomed to mocking their own transness to be successful in the thai entertainment industry. this means that the "____ is transphobic" controversies only ever regard international fans, while thai fans don't even bat an eye. it's not my place to say what's wrong or right in those situations, but that's why I feel hesitant to condemn ANY thai person as transphobic when the cultures are so different & sensitivities so opposed. trans rights are under attack everywhere in the west, meanwhile "ladyboys" have existed openly (somewhat safely, I'm sure there's attacks & discrimination on them, but I couldn't find any data about it) for literal centuries in thailand.

NOW THOUGH, I find it quite staggering that you can kind of put most of these thai actors in the same box. drake laedeke for liking (or reposting? I forgot sorry) an anti-trans video, for which he apologized, joss wayar for following andrew tate, who he unfollowed once the backlash against tate peaked, ohm pawat for being a homophobic bully (which some have argued that it's been disproven in my comments but I don't really believe it, it's giving delusional ride or die fan), and lastly foei patchara who reblogged anti-lgbtq far right content & (to my knowledge) never apologized or backed down. all four of these men present themselves as very straight, they all work out & have stereotypically very masculine & attractive bodies, and all of them are successful. I'm not surprised that men who watch fitness content would end up on hustle culture videos, leading to alpha male videos & eventually far right content which is currently obsessing about lgbtq+ people. and I'm not saying this to justify them or whatever, but I think it says a lot about masculinity & the echochambers created around this hypermasculine content which led to these actors clearly doing something wrong.

in the end, I'll say what I always say: everyone can choose to remain fans of actors that have done something wrong, or unfollow them, ignore them, hate them, etc. I do think things need to be taken with nuance, and for me I look at repeated behavior & lack of accountability to try to guess an actor's true nature. I say GUESS because none of us will ever truly know them. maybe there's an actor that has never publicly done anything remotely problematic, yet thinks the most awful things in his head. so yeah, it's up to each individual's judgment to decide what to do with those actors & what they've done wrong, but I do think we have to take cultural differences into account bc the world does not revolve around the west.

xxx