#TERF and REG Bullshit

[kyliafanfiction]

Transphobes: "CIS IS A MADE UP WORD! IT DOESN'T EXIST!"

The Actual Roman Province of Cisalpine Gaul: *Walks away sadly*

The Short Lived Cispadane Republic: *Grumbles*

[kyliaquilor]

Really should probably get that Shinigami Eyes thing, shouldn't I?

[oatmilkandvellichor]

reg or jem. mid 20s.

he/him, masc language, etc

cishet ppl please leave me alone.

terfs, swerfs, and transmeds need not apply.

transsexual. faggot. unashamed pervert. etc. etc. et. al.

dietetics & neuroscience major, literature minor. grad school hopeful with completely unnecessary phd dreams.

current president of the beri’ah kollectiv. barely human half the time. i am cringe but i am free.

this blog has a decent amount of 18+ content. minor run & ageless blogs will be blocked.

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[llycaons]

they didnt just try to make a word for "terfs but for ace" people, they actually made two. "aerf" which was shut down quick, and then REG (reactionary exclusionist gatekeeper iirc) which had a but more staying power because it wasnt as obvious

yeah, that sounds about right. I think I remember the second one. like?? they really had to try to co-opt words used to specifically describe transmisogyny TWICE? like, I don't want to villainize a entire community because that's obviously a dick move and I don't want to contribute to a space being hostile just on the basis of someone being aro or ace, and I know plenty of aro and ace people are perfectly respectful of lgbt people and I follow an aro blogger who has really valuable insights about the role of love in media. BUT it's irresponsible ignore the transmisogny, misogyny, and homophobia that are in those spaces. and addressing and countering that, or even just discussing it, is not 'discourse' imo, it's a really valuable and important discussion to have as long there are still people saying those things. a lot of the arguments on here are about stupid bullshit and I get why people don't want to see it again, but imo it's still worth talking about as long as we all share online (and real life!) spaces with each other

edit: I actually did have an aroace 'friend' in college who did exactly the same stuff as I'm criticizing here so it's also not just in online. im also reminded of the antecdote of a gay person who went to an lgbt meeting and an aroace person there dissuaded them from passing out condoms because the idea of sex made them uncomfortable. and this baffles me because this is exactly why we say aroace and lgbt communities have differing needs but idk some people really want to lump them in together in ways which benefit neither! sure there's overlap but as communities it just makes sense that two different sets of core needs are attended to

[fatfemmefreaquency]

terfs and radfems in general posting about how “it’s never going to be safe to identify with radical feminism”

pretty sure there’s nothing safer than keeping company with white supremacists, transphobes, and conservatives, but by all means, keep acting like you’re oppressed or at risk for hating trans people and other gender minorities.

like idk where you got the idea that being a transmisogynist was anything less than the most mainstream perspective. not from any evidence or reasoning i’m guessing.

“oh i vocally hate and denigrate the worlds most despised and vulnerable minority, how brave of me”

[soprie]

ace exclusion isn't like being a terf because,as you said, ace exclusion is an issue that exists pretty much only on the internet. people in the real world don't think aces shouldn't be included and it kind of isn't that real any place other than tumblr. terfs, on the other hand, are pretty much a terrorist group that has attacked trans women and urged them to commit suicide. They're absolutely a hate group. i agree that asexual people shouldn't be excluded but to compare trans women with people

who advocate for violence against them, including death, is completely uncalled for.             

I am not necessarily doing a 1-to-1 comparison. I will, however, compare where the ideologies are strikingly, dangerously similar.

Terf ideology and ace exclusion are both Reactionary Exclusionist Gatekeeping.

They both seek to keep as many people as they see unfit from participating and feeling welcome in the wider community.

They both see their individual targets (aces, trans people) as “secret cis” and “secret straight” invaders, leeches, etc. They see those groups as having mal-intent towards them when that malintent has not and cannot be proven.

The idea that terfs want trans women dead but exclusionists don’t want aces dead ignores the issues that ace people face, including cultural rejection and corrective rape.

Both terfs and exclusionists claim that the oppression their targets face isn’t real, doesn’t exist or isn’t enough of a problem to justify inclusion “Transphobia doesn’t exist” “Aphobia isn’t real”

Ace people face serious discrimination from straight culture, the LGBTQ+ community and the medical community for being seen as “broken” or “selfish”.

Both groups ignore and deny the actual needs of the group, especially if those needs are not shared by the terf / exclusionist.

Trans people need spaces where their gender identity and medical needs are respected.

Aces need spaces where they are not forced to participate in an allosexual world that requires mandatory attraction.

Terfs consistently and deliberately misgender and misidentfy trans people and so do ace exclusionists. Aces are frequently labeled “cishets” by (non-trans) exclusionists despite being neither cis nor het. This is a deliberate tactic of exclusion.

Both groups mislabel their targets as “oppressors” despite

Not necessarily being true to due intersectionality

Ignoring that oppresive structures already exist in the LGBTQ+ community. Cis gay men automatically oppress cis gay women due to patriarchy, but we don’t kick men out of the LGBTQ+ community. Cis people oppress trans people. We don’t exclude cis people. White LGBTQ+ people oppress LGBTQ+ people of colour. Abled LGBTQ+ people oppress disabled people. Etc, etc.

So long as there is intersectionality in the community, there is also oppression. The terf / exclusionist tactic has never been about safety. It has been about exclusion.

Ace exclusionists deliberately spread factually misleading or outright false information in order to promote their stance

“The LGBT community was formed in response to homophobia” False.

“The A in LGBTQIA stands for ally” False

“Most ace exclusionists are aces themselves” False

Ace exclusionists and terfs frequently shift goalposts in order to keep up exclusion without being seen as hypocritical. “I accept homoromantic aces, but not heteromantic aces” denying the fact that ace, in and of itself is a valid indentity and does not need any further modifier.

Are ace exclusionists the exact same as terfs? No. Again, it’s not an exact 1-to-1 comparison. But there is a lot of similarity and overlap.

If you don’t like terf ideology, then you need to rethink your position on ace exclusion because these two ideologies and the tactics used to enforce them are far too similar to be ignored.

If you are trans and you are an ace exclusionist, I’m sorry, but your stance is hypocritical. I’m sorry you have faced violent opposition but you have no right to perpetuate it against others in the same way that it has been done to you.

[pansexual-pied-piper]

Oh my fucking god, callout for "Those" pan people. The ones who can't just leave it at "pan means all, I'm attracted to all genders" and have to add shit like "bc I don't care what people have in their pants! / bc I, unlike everyone else, see the *~whole person~* / unlike bi people, who only like men and women / [insert other ridiculous bullshit here]", you guys are a fucking embarrassment and I can't believe I have to still see shit like this in 2020.

If you feel attacked by this post, if it applies to you, I want you to think about why the fuck you're throwing our siblings under the bus like this. Fucking hell, you sound like lesbian TERFs with their "lesbian means you only like *real* wombyn!!" crap. For fuck's sake.

Like, this isn't just shit REGs use as some panphobic strawman to try and kick us out of the community / discredit the pan label, this is the kind of attitude I've genuinely seen from some absolute tools and it makes me wanna flip a goddamn table. It's 2020. Stop cycling back to *~*~HeArTs NoT pArTs~*~*.

[stimmyvillain]

hey light suggestion for the mod, maybe lumping in terf/swerfs in REG in the banner would help associate terf/swerf on the same level as exclus and transmeds? since they all use radfem rhetoric. yet many exclus and transmeds think terf/swerf are worse, often to hide the atrocities of what they themselves do by going "see THOSE are the bad guys not us"

While I agree that both are exclusionary, repeat the same rhetorics, and exclusionism is basically a gateway discourse that leads to radical feminism and trans exclusionism, I decided to specify because both REGs and TERFs will do just about anything to find a "loophole" that would make them not apply to the dni (that is assuming they don't just downright ignore it altogether). I feel if I were to only have REGs in the banners, then TERFs would assume Im not talking about them because they ALWAYS need to see the clear TERF or radfem. because unfortunately TERFs love nothing more than to inconvenience trans people at any possible moment.

As for SWERF I feel that these are really different topics and putting them under REGs, which is an LGBT+ discourse related term, is inappropriate.

And I'm gonna be honest here cause I've gotten a bunch of random asks about my banners recently for... Some reason?? But I've made hundreds of banners and noahfence but I'm not going back to change the text on every single one of them. I can't tell you how long that would take for something so trivial. >>

But I do agree with your sentiment. Truscum, exclusionists, and TERFs spout the same bullshit and they all try to pretend they're better than the other if they don't already identify as a combination or all three. There ain't a single braincell in that chat

[lastoneout]

I've already seen at least one mostly bullshit call put post about Neil//Gaiman so this is your friendly reminder to have critical thinking and actually, you know, check the sources and the context before you reblog stuff like that. And an additionally reminder, these posts benefit and are created by regs, biphobes, exclusionists, truscum, terfs, and anti-queer people who are looking for any and all excuse to tear him down becuase he refused to make his two main characters explicitly cis gay men.

Not to mention all of the bigoted conservative Christians who hate him and would love to make themselves look good by citing the queer radical left's hate of him as justification for their actions.

And this is not to say that he has never done anything wrong, everyone has done something wrong, but just know where this sudden wave of "woke" hate is coming from, and keep in mind who is benefited by and who is harmed by you blindly sharing it.

[androgynousblackbox]

Everytime when I'm on MOGAI blog and I see "DNI pro-kink/pro-shipper/DDLG" I feel sick. I understand if someone want to keep their blog sfw but people on these blogs often act like antis, comparing queerphobes or TERFs to shippers & kinkers

I mean, if they are putting specifically for pro shippers to not interact then that it’s the same as being an anti or at least agreeing with them to a degree they are not safe to have around. A bunch of pro shippers don’t even have nsfw content on their blogs. When we are talking about a new word to describe a sexuality or gender it’s usually REGs the one to add bullshit nobody asked for, especially to shit on people using that label, OP and everything mogai, so you would THINK that kind of people would be more worth blacklisting than people who say fictional characters are not real human beings. Besides that, I instantly distrust of any person who claims to be pro LGBT+/pro queer/pro-Mogai but it’s anti-kink or think kink is too nasty to deserve respect. Those people can honestly go fuck themselves. Kink has a HIGH overlapping with non straight, non cis people, so this bullshit “oh, but we support you! as long you don’t like spanking that is! <3!” is nothing more than respectability politics and I actually hate how many people on mogai get caught on that shitty mentality.

[tsukishima-tadashi]

Anything but the complete and total acceptance of queer as an identity is unacceptable. There is no addendum necessary to the statement “you can identify as queer if you want to”. There are no ifs, no buts. You respect my identity or you do not. 

There is no “only THESE people can identify as queer, says me, someone who does not identify as queer”. There is no “you can identify as queer... just don’t say the word for your identity in public”. There is no “q people”. There is no using another, more clean word for someone who identifies exclusively as queer. There are no rules; and if they were, they wouldn’t be decided by people that don’t even identify as queer. 

I am queer. Not anything else; I am just queer. It is the word I have chosen for myself. And I will not tag it. I will not refrain from saying it in queer spaces. I will not call myself a “q person” for your comfort. I. Will. Not. 

Get over yourselves. Queer people have been here forever. And it’s sad it’s not just cis straights we have to say that to anymore. 

(And no, I will not pretend this “queer is a slur and shouldn’t be used at all” came from anywhere but TERF circles. I will not pretend this bullshit was around when our war cry was “we’re here, we’re queer, get used to it” and when we called ourselves queer nation and when we started queer studies and queer theory. Grow the fuck up.)

Do not tag as q slur. REGs do not touch. Trying to discourse with me gets you blocked. 

[trendercore-aesthetic]

What does REG mean? I see it sometimes but dont understand yet and if I look it up I get really mixed results

a reg is reactionary exclusionist gatekeeper. some exclusionists are just “non-binary people don’t belong or just “asexual people don’t belong.” A REG is a little different. They’re on some new shit, and hate everything new pretty much. REGs are someone who generally believes:

- bi people are not LGBT unless in a LGBT relationship

- asexual people are NEVER lgbt (although some regs May claim that aces that are homoromantic are LGBT, REGs I’ve seen generally equate asexuality with celibacy).

- non binary people are not LGBT and do not exist (and in general REGs are transmedicalists)

- the only letters allowed to be in LGBT are LGBT. Anything outside of that is made up tumblr bullshit (although I don’t think, at least not from what I’ve seen, they’re anti-queer).

A lot of them may even believe more radical things like certain groups are ruining the community or that certain people have some sort of mental health condition.

the reason why it’s kind of really confusing to people to hear about is because not even REGs know what REGs are. Some people who call themselves REGs are just some of these things, and some are just ‘discourse neutralists.’

i think to some degree there is just an appeal in choosing a Cool New Acronym although people don’t really know what they mean, even though said Cool New Acronym actually means some terrible opinions. like in general, a lot of TERFs are REGs.

in my opinion, a lot of REGs just like to think that the only thing that’s are LGBT are binaries. Gay, Lesbian, Transmale, Transfemale and anything that fucks with that Holy Order is automatically sin.

[fatfemmefreaquency]

every time I see the “lesbian safe” tag on a post I assume op is a lesbian separatist or terf.

i’m a lesbian. people are not THAT lesbophobic in the lgbtq+ community. most lgbtq+ stuff is lesbian safe by default at the end of the day.

for example: bi people, especially bi women are not (or at least are only incredibly rarely) lesbophobic.

some of us lesbians just have a persecution complex. probably because lesbian separatism/ radical feminism has so completely poisoned the lesbian community that they think bi inclusion and queer solidarity is “lesbophobia”

it’s fucking not.

in fact, because of the prevalence of the lesbian separatist/ political lesbian movement and how it’s shaped lesbian thought for the last 40 years, I’d say that biphobia and misogyny directed at bi women is far, far more common in our lesbian community than lesbophobia is common among bi women.

and don’t even get me started on the transphobia, enbyphobia, intersexism, and transmisogyny that’s present among us as lesbians.

the amount of bullshit i’ve been put through for being intersex and nonbinary by sex-essentialist lesbians in this community is UNREAL. yes. you can be intersex and be a lesbian. you can be trans and be a lesbian.

the inclusion of intersex and trans lesbians in the lesbian community is NOT lesbophobic.

and so now when I see “lesbian safe” my main assumption is that the poster tagging their writing that way hates he/him lesbians, gnc lesbians, nonbinary lesbians, non-lesbian sapphics and wlw/ nblw/ wlnb, a-spec lesbians, and especially trans women and tma lesbians.

as a nonbinary lesbian all I see when I see the “lesbian safe” tag is “terf warning” and “safe for a select few lesbians but not safe for lesbians like you. you’re not a real lesbian.”

I wish that wasn’t the case. especially because that’s not what “lesbian safe” should mean.

I think probably about 60% of people who tag things as lesbian safe are doing so in good faith.

but I’ve been so hurt by lesbian separatists, political lesbians, gatekeepers, REGs, and radfems/ queerphobes/ enbyphobes/ perisexists/ terfs/ swerfs in the lesbian community that I just can’t trust like that any more.

we need to do something about all the lesbian separatists, political lesbians, and radfems who are still lurking in our communities because a lot of lesbians like me will never feel safe until we do.

[groupie-inspired]

psa (this isn’t directed at anyone it’s just something i want to put out there)

My politics:

i would like to make everyone aware that TERFs, absolutely are not fucking allowed in the vicinity of this blog... and if you are a TERF, bye!

ALSO Trump supporters are not welcome. I don’t care what your reasoning is. Trump is a no-good bastard and no one will ever change my mind.

im a proponent of equity

the reason why i say equity as opposed to equality is, people who treat others without respect are not going to be treated by me as if they’re on the same level

i have zero (0) room for bs such as:

racism, queerphobia, xenophobia, *anti-semitism* (everyone forgets about this somehow!), gender based discrimination/sexism, reproductive inequality, economic injustice, ableism—mental & physical, and the like!!!

additionally, these alt right people are terrible. idc how you spin it. just because some guy has a suit on and likes memes doesn’t mean he isn’t a nazi! or, alternatively, just because she has a law degree and is a self proclaimed moderate/centrist doesn’t mean she isn’t a nazi! anyone who holds court with holocaust deniers, people who cry “white genocide”, etc. —anyone who takes their advice, their money, their opportunities, their love, their friendship, their luncheon invite—is complacent in their violence, and is in turn committing a type of violence themselves

none of them are “very fine people”. they’re bad, they’re evil, and i won’t apologize for saying that.

and the more people say, “oh, let’s just hear them out... let’s just let them come to our college campus despite the fact that many students feel actively unsafe with them present... let them have their platform, because free speech” the further we allow ourselves to fall as a country and as a society, because we are failing every single fucking person who has to exist in this society feeling like a second class citizen in some way or another, and we are failing the people who died to protect the world from people like this.

the apathy of it disgusts me— none of this speech is innocuous, or playful/harmless debate, or some type of open forum situation like people love to pretend it is. it is a situation where these people deliberately position themselves as the “rational ones” open to hearing the other side of the story, but there is no real rationality because the entire basis of their existence as a group or movement or whatever is rooted in a deep, hateful, irrationality that Different Is Bad... Not Us Is Bad.

and they act like “the other side *must* be wrong because they’re emotional, and they don’t wear dapper suits like us and act with coldness like us and consort with powerful, wealthy men at private dinners like us.” emotion is a part of human existence. emotion is a part of treating people equally. and when you have no compassion except for when one of your own gets the shit kicked out of them for implying Jewish people are the root of all evil on the reg, and that compassion is only there to chuckle at some type of alleged leftist hypocrisy of how we’re supposed to peace & love or whatever... you’re terrible!!! sorry not sorry!!!

i refuse to be convinced that being politically “open minded” is the hallmark of intellectual understanding or a well rounded existence. i refuse to be complacent and listen to people lie and propagandize & not say anything!!! like Breitbart is such trash!!! politics aren’t a game; they are hardly even a concept on their own. politics is the means through which we translate greater moral and societal issues into more comprehensible terms. what politics really is, is a debate of who can exist without intervention. who has a right to medicine, to use the public bathroom, to have food & water— just simple, but important, shit.

the answer is really obvious but no one wants to realize that, there is no argument. every single human person deserves these things—there are no qualifiers, there is no justification, no stamp of approval. people who are alive deserve to keep living, and we all deserve a society that desires to serve the whole and not the interests of those select few that pilot this fucking planet.

like, i know the fucking devil when i see it.

and people who act like none of this is a big deal just don’t!!! have the comprehension to see how fucking insidious this all is!!!! they don’t want you to think it’s a big deal, they want you to slowly get acclimated to a world where keeping migrant children in facilities on the border without proper care or love is harmless, or a necessary evil. like that’s not even the whole of it. it’s just like, bad shit is happening, and it really feels like no one remembers bad shit is happening because it’s like this whole thing where, the water is rising slowly. this shit doesn’t end with Trump either! a whole fucking group of people has been galvanized and instigated by the existence of him and others like him.

we have to fight shit like this, it isn’t okay, it isn’t fine or valid, like people die because of a lot of this shit. like!!! oh my god!!! and everyone just continues on like we haven’t seen some of this bullshit before in other places/times... not to mention climate change tearing things up more

Rant over. Don’t @ me.

✌️

[terflies]

Apparently that’s a bad take coming from someone who is perceived as a lesbian, but at this point people saying bullshit like “ITS LGBT NOT QUEER!!1!” Or using stuff like “mogai hell” when people who aren’t “conventional normal gays” are involved (mostly used by REGs/TERFs/truscum), I just feel completely separated from “lgbt”. When I’m referred as such, I just cringe. I prefer queer, as i feel closer to the community and it’s people. Amnyway, ur pretty cool.

Thanks, and same—I’m not LGBT, I’m queer.

[acesian]

I'm not saying that at all. Gay people and lesbians aren't safe from exclusionists either, just look at he/him lesbians and how exclus treat them. I mentioned the identities I did because those identities not only have been attacked in the past by regs but are also being attacked right now. And anyone can be something exclus don't approve of, including gay people and lesbians. I apologize if it came off as attacking gay people and lesbians because that was not my intention.

Thank you for clarifying. The original ask seemed to imply that gay and lesbian exclusionists shouldn’t reconsider their views, but other lgbtq+ groups should, which I disagree with. 

That being said, I have seen some ridiculous biphobia, nbphobia, etc. One of the saddest things to me is seeing people criticize things like bi/ace solidarity, even when there’s not mention of aces being lgbtq+. That kind of response only serves to alienate “lgbt” aces and silence our experiences. 

It’s disappointing to see that some people are willing to take attacks against themself as long as their targeted group is also hurt too. This isn’t about exclusionists, but I’ve interacted with a few bi terfs who have supported lesbians refusing to date bi women (re: the gold star bullshit). They’re not acknowledging the biphobia so long as they can use the transphobia.