#Suicide baiting

[thebibliosphere]

Sometimes, I feel like I've exaggerated my mental illness and that I really don't need the amount of therapy I'm doing, and then I'll get a message telling me to kill myself, and a not-insignificant part of my brain goes "shit, you're right."

So then I just have to sit and breathe until my heartbeat climbs down out of my throat and the impulse passes. Because here's the thing.

There's genuinely a part of me that doesn't want to be here anymore.

I've struggled with suicidal ideation for decades. And I won't lie, it's tiring to keep fighting it. And someone telling me to do it feels like permission, and well, they wouldn't be saying that without good reason, right? They wouldn't say that if I didn't deserve it...

I mean, who would do that. What kind of evil person would tell someone to do that if they didn't -- except oh. No one deserves that, do they?

Anyway. Be careful what you say to people online. Some of us might just listen to you.

[cleolinda]

Unsurprisingly.

“We need to identify each juror. Then make them miserable. Maybe even suicidal,” wrote another user on the same forum. “1,000,000 men (armed) need to go to washington and hang everyone. That’s the only solution,” wrote another user. “This s--- is out of control.” “I hope every juror is doxxed and they pay for what they have done,” another user wrote on Trump’s Truth Social platform Thursday. “May God strike them dead. We will on November 5th and they will pay!”

“Now you understand. To save your nation, you must fight. The time to respond is now. Franco Friday has begun,” another Proud Boys chapter wrote, apparently referring to fascist dictator Francisco Franco of Spain.

I have to think every single juror in that box knew this was a possibility. But they stood by their verdict anyway. I saw someone on Fox News--I think it was Jeanine Pirro--yelling about how no "red-blooded American" would believe that Trump was guilty and that this was a valid proceeding, but I don't know, I think those jurors had every reason in the world to not put themselves in danger unless they meant it. I also think they're braver than anyone on that channel is.

[vaspider]

Hey everybody, two quick things:

Do not send asks to the troll. Do not bother the troll. If I find out you're bothering the troll, the only person getting blocked is you.

And I can't believe I have to say this, but I have several times, for years, and I will say it again: anyone sending suibait to the troll gets instablocked if I find out. I've lived through the death by suicide of multiple friends and dealt with a family member's suicidal ideation for years. I have never nor will ever "send my followers" to bother people, and I explicitly am not okay with suicide threats or bait.

Now. Please show me pictures of your pets. :D Here's another picture of Davos.

[prokopetz]

Frankly, the secret to surviving having a widely read blog is cultivating the capacity to find it funny when people tell you to kill yourself. Like, really, my friend? You created a burner account on the world’s shittiest social media site because you didn’t even have the stones to nastygram me under your primary fake disposable identity, and that’s all you’ve got? The last one randomly accused me of being a Communist sleeper agent, which was at least entertainingly appalling. Step up your game!

[firstofficerkittycat]

[nothorses]

(TW for suicide baiting and explicit transphobic hate speech)

The post below was in a few trans-related tags I follow, and folks have already started to respond to it in replies and reblogs.

Don't do this!

Report this post for hatespeech and/or suicide baiting, and don't engage. They're doing this entirely to get a reaction; there is nothing anyone can say to "win" the interaction, especially when the post and its notes are controlled by this person.

I also checked out their blog, and it looks like they spend all of their time on this app just hunting down trans people's posts & reblogging with openly transphobic suicide baiting. You should consider getting ahead of it and just blocking them now.

Post in question:

Report & block if you see it.

I strongly encourage you to block them pre-emptively either way.

[orange-orchard-system]

Fakeclaiming is easy because it feels like activism. It feels like protection.

Spotting a "faker" feels like you're doing something. It feels like you're protecting yourself, your community, by pointing at someone and saying "look, I have identified the enemy". You get to feel good that you have done something to help, and you get to feel good to see one of your enemies torn apart by your allies. It's based on a simple reward system for community.

The thing is, though, is that this community isn't solid, and this reward system is flawed.

If a primary way of protecting oneself is spotting fakers, then you're always on-guard, always looking for the enemy in your allies. You'll look for patterns where there may not be any, because you want a leg up on spotting the next of them; you want formulas to rely on – one to decide if someone is faking, and one to decide if someone is not. You want to make the process of protection as simple and easy as possible. And in turn, the easier it gets to "identity a faker", the more often you get that rush of spotting one, that camaraderie of tearing them apart with the "real ones". You have made it easier to justify hurting others, because you have made it easier to win that reward system. And yet, at the same time, because you must remain on-guard, you stress yourself over whether someone fits the formula(s) you have crafted. If all your enemies are fakers pretending to be allies, then you must be ready to turn on any of your allies and tear them apart, too. You must rely on this second formula; these rules you have enforced to decide who is real and who is not. You must not ever think about the process beyond how you can better improve your formulas.

There is no repeal, once a claim has been filed. There is only dogpiling and tearing them apart, demanding they apologize, delete their blog, kill themselves for "faking". They are the enemy, this is what has been declared, and you can tell because they plug into the formula. You can tell because they did something we don't approve of. You can tell because we have declared it true, and you must always believe us and never listen to the person we have been tearing apart, because you wouldn't want to risk defending the enemy, would you? Because...

Conveniently, people who speak out about this reward system are often automatically considered fakers, too. Because their voices are seen as defense of the enemy you have already branded, so they must be enemies too, right? I must now be your enemy for telling you the flaws in this system; in this community. Because only enemies to a community say there's something wrong with that community, don't they? They can't possibly be members of the community who want it to be (even) better. They can't possibly be real members of your community who you have plugged into an arbitrary formula that doesn't even make sense most of the time. They can't be people who have thought about this for two seconds and decided, "Actually, tearing people apart doesn't sound like a very moral action."

Fakeclaiming is a flawed reward system that depends on the idea that the main enemies of any community will always be trying to pretend to be them. Will always be wolves in sheep's clothing. And that the way to help your community – the way to get that rush of justice against your enemy – is to never truly trust your allies; to be prepared to hurt them at a moment's notice; to create formulas based on confirmation bias and plug people into them if they do something against the rules you have decided upon.

I'm aware this is scathing. That's the point. Fakeclaiming doesn't serve any productive purpose; all it does is give the same rush that hitting a child gives a parent.

I am also aware this will likely be used to make me out to be a "faker". An enemy. Very well, go right ahead. Anyone who would decide criticism about the way they go about harassing and tearing apart their own supposed "allies" is an act of "the enemy" is not someone I wish to associate with, so please do reveal yourselves, so that I may block you and move on with my life that does not involve hurting people for the rush it would give me but does involve thinking critically about accusations.

Fakeclaiming doesn't even help the community the way it's supposed to. Drop your formulas. There are better ways to help your community, like accepting our variance and differences, offering advice born from personal experience, and advocating for more awareness and acceptance in your everyday life. Go leave a positive comment on someone's post. Go make a positivity post. Be there for people. I believe you can do better, and make this community better, in turn.

[fuck-your-proana-blog]

Fellow disabled people/in recovery people/suicidal people, please avoid interaction with @skylarthethompson .

I tried to kill myself last year because of my ED and chronic pain. I was in a coma for 2 days, in the hospital for 2 weeks, and am still suffering the after affects of the damage the 3 months worth of pills I swallowed did to my brain and body, and I'm still struggling with suicidal thoughts due to my many physical and mental illnesses. I just hope me exposing this cruel human will keep them from hurting anyone else who is also struggling.

Telling someone they have nothing to live for is so fucking beyond ok and I just want to warn anyone else who is suffering from chronic pain/illnesses/disabilities and mental illnesses/suicidal ideation that this person is a cruel and insensitive troll and to not let them rent space in your mind.

I reported them; anyone else who sees this please report this despicable behavior so they don't do any further damage to the mentally ill/chronically ill community here on Tumblr.

The first comment is clearly suicide baiting, and I guess they realized that and tried to seem a little less depraved; but you can't undo saying shit like this:

Also, take a look at the victim mentality at work here: "you're a smart smart nice person and I'm a dumb dumb mean person." 🙄.

And then there's the fake "do-gooder" story. So telling a very disabled person that their life isn't worth living is helping, and "a good coping mechanism"?? Anyone with half a braincell can tell you're just trying to seem less like an asshole when you've been exposed as one. Nice try to not seem like an absolute garbage person; but it didn't work.

And this selfishness: "I don't feel safe now! I don't want my virtual life ruined! I don't want gross people telling me horrible insults when my mental health can't take it!" Funny, because I didn't want your gross opinion on why I should just kill myself because my life is too miserable to be worth living with all my mental and physical illnesses. Nice ableism you got there. Also I didn't ask anyone to send you "horrible insults." I just asked my followers to avoid and report you for suicide baiting; which is a very severe problem on the internet that no one deserves; least of all mentally and physically disabled people like me and many of my followers.

"Please don't ruin my life over this!" If you say things online that you don't want everyone to see, that you can come to acknowledge are the actions of an asshole, that's your problem. Don't tell people they should just give up and kill themselves if you don't want people to see how heartless you are. If your life is "ruined" by something you said you have no one to blame but yourself.🤷

And of course the classic "I reported your post; I won't let you ruin my Tumblr life." ...are you even serious? You wrote those words; all I did was take screenshots and show them to my followers so they don't become victims of your harassment themselves- not everyone has the great support system I do, so they deserve a warning about people like you. Plus I said nothing wrong, I just told you that telling people to kill themselves is fucked up and made a post exposing your cruelty so you couldn't harm others who struggle like I do. If your "Tumblr life" gets "ruined" from this, your have no one to blame but yourself because all I did was post the words you put on my posts. I don't give a shit that you're "only 18;" you're still an adult and should know better than to tell strangers on the internet that their lives are so horrible they should just kill themselves.. also if you were actually "sorry" you wouldn't have said more cruel things after your oh-so-sincere apology.

There were even more responses they made saying they were going to kill themselves and it was my fault because I posted things they publicly said on a public platform, telling me they were going to Livestream their suicide and publicly blame me for their death, etc. (I reported those comments to Tumblr for a suicide threat but didn't get screenshots before they were deleted.) You can look at the amount of notes on said posts; this one has 27 replies with only 2 from me so they were harassing me all day with 25 comments while I went to some of my many appointments, so obviously I didn't get screenshots of them all, but the ones I did screenshot are more than enough proof that this person who told me I should just die and was trying to blame me for their mental state; saying I was guilty of something THEY actually did to ME, and that if they killed themselves it would be my fault... For simply making a post telling vulnerable people to be aware of them and their disgusting behavior because no one deserves to be told their life isn't worth living; especially when they've been fighting with those thoughts in their own mind for years and don't need some asshole online trying to push them over the edge towards suicide.

When I was a fucking child I knew that telling people to kill themselves is wrong. Not my problem that you're so cruel you can't see it that way and harassed me all day as I went to my disability appointments finding out if I need more surgery while my notifications were going off at a ridiculous rate as you were trying to convince me I'm the bad guy for warning vulnerable people about you; a person that told someone they don't even know who is a suicidal, ED recovering, physically and psychologically disabled person, that their life isn't worth living and they should just kill themselves.

This person is a threat to the mentally and physically disabled and they need their blog to be terminated so they can't trigger people on the edge like me and so many of my followers and others in the disabled/ED communities on Tumblr.

[multiplicity-positivity]

Living with the Haters

Hey folks - we had made a post not long after the influx of TikTokers came over with our thoughts on the situation and some advice and encouragement. In that post, we mentioned that they would probably get bored and leave. We still think this could happen, but as time goes on and they dig their claws in, it seems more and more likely that they might be here to stay. So here’s our thoughts on things as they are now and how we can work together to keep our community safe.

1. Do Not engage with them!

We’ve seen that a lot of these users are gaining traction and having a hearty laugh due to others sending them asks inciting violence, calling them out, or begging them to change.

Let us say right now that sending someone threats or suicide bait is NEVER okay, no matter how bad of a person you think they are. No exceptions. It’s not good to try and build ourselves up by tearing others down. Not only will this tactic just not work, it will only inspire these folks to be bolder, brasher, and more unkind. Hate from others does not inspire change - it only strengthens resolve.

So please, refrain from sending hate to any anti-endo posting in the #pluralgang tag! Give these people the attention they deserve - absolutely none at all!

2. Keep yourself safe and BLOCK!

Someone posting in the tags wishing violence on endos? Block!

Someone making cutesy “endos you’re not real and will never be valid uwu” posts? Block!

Someone posting in our tags “Why I think endos aren’t real/Why endos are harmful”? Block!

Someone making fun of endos, plurals, our community, and the labels we’ve coined to describe our experiences? Block!

Someone angrily slinging slurs in our tags? Block!

Someone crossposting their posts with plural inclusive tags (#pluralgang, #actually plural, etc) and also endo hate tags (#endos fuck off, #anti endo, #kys endos, etc)? Block!

Block anyone who makes you uncomfortable! Block anyone who denies you the right to define your own experiences in language that works best for you and your system! Block anyone who uses our inclusive tags to spread hateful ideas! Block liberally, block without remorse!

If you have any sideblogs, make sure to block these users from those blogs so that they cannot access any of your posts! Blocking a user from your main will not keep that user from viewing your other blogs. You can block on a sideblog through your Account Settings on Tumblr desktop version - reach out if you need any help with this!

3. Stay positive and active in our tags!

Don’t stop using #pluralgang and other inclusive tags because they’re getting overrun with TikTokers. Keep using them! In fact, use them even more! Post positivity, gush about your system, have discussions and conversations about plurality, post art, post poetry and personal experiences, just keep posting! We can reclaim our tags if we work together to fill them with posts that spread warmth, kindness, and earnest experiences. Make plural prompts! Ask questions! Post doodles! Take part in ask games! Make shoutouts for your headmates! Be your most authentic self, and don’t be ashamed for loudly and boldly being who you are!

In conclusion:

As more and more users block those who are spreading hate, they’ll find they have less and less content to hate on and interact with. They’ll be posting only for each other, and it won’t be as fun for them because there won’t be anyone to offend and trigger. This is what we’re aiming for!

And in the mean time, we can celebrate plurality how we choose! We can boost each other and lift each other up while simultaneously ignoring and avoiding those who seek to drag us down. Let’s work together to keep the plural community on Tumblr a beautiful, vibrant, and uplifting space!

Thank you so much for reading this! Stay safe out there, and take care!

[thebibliosphere]

It's always a risk posting anything that comes off as mildly anti-holistic medicine on my blog.

I know it’s because a lot of my followers are in a similar situation to me and have their own medical trauma, and have likely been driven to seek out holistic methods of finding relief.

But in no way is me telling someone to be cautious around holistic practices and to do their research thoroughly grounds for anyone to tell me to kill myself.

I don't give a fuck if you were triggered by having the thing that helped you be questioned; your trauma does not validate that kind of response ever. Period.

If you are so deeply entrenched in your trauma that even the mildest criticism of something prompts you to message someone telling them to kill themselves, you need to get offline and work on your reactionary responses. Do some EMDR, align your chakras, or whatever the fuck calms you down, but you take that trauma, and you work through it, and you do not inflict it on others.

Do better.

[traumasurvivors]

How do you handle your anons with so much grace and compassion? They make me feel mad to see and I just I don’t know I admire how you handle them

I try and put myself in their shoes, and imagine the hurt they must be feeling to lash out. It doesn’t mean lashing out is okay, but it does leave me feeling more compassion for them. I don’t feel mad at them, I just feel sad for them. I remember being in that dark place and I hope that being reacted to with kindness might be even a small thing that might be a part of them looking at things differently. And in some cases, I imagine that they aren’t shown kindness often and that’s part of what’s driving their behaviours and putting them in that dark place.

That said, there are a lot of hateful anons I don’t post because I can’t find the compassion. It’s not even that I feel angry but I just… can’t find a way to show compassion. Because they’re your typical hate asks. Things like “you’re useless” or “kill your self”. I only reply to ones where I feel there’s a door open for a compassionate response. Some of them I don’t feel that, and I just block (when Tumblr works - delete if not) and move on.

[warmshotamilk]

Antis: We want to PROTECT victims! We don't want them to accidentally stumble on something that might trigger them!

Victim: *makes fiction they don't like*

Antis: Omfg kill yourself. I hope you get raped. You deserved what happened to you and you clearly liked it if THIS is the stuff you like LOL

[vaspider]

nazi fuck go follow your leaders

"I'm going to call an American Jewish person a Nazi and invoke the dual loyalty trope (with an assumption that he supports Bibi, lol) while suicide-baiting him, and this makes me a good person."

Wow, you make such a great argument for the moral rectitude of your cause, which I'm assuming is... "Jews should die"? I'm very impressed. Everybody clap.

[tungledotedu]

iirc around the time p-b was on xir christian death cult posting talk, xe had also told somebody to self-immolate for defending aaron bushnell doing so and even gave them a step by step guide on how to do so and make it super painful, and screeched that they were defending a terrorist. absolutely disgusting, but xe has encouraged other users to kill themselves in the past but covered it up and whenever anybody would try to reference it xe would threaten to sue them for libel. it happened a bunch in the yugioh and sailor moon fandoms and xe would point to xir suicide hotline reblogs as proof xe couldn't ever have suicidebaited others. dangerous person.

sorry for answering this just now. i should've gone to prismatic's blog earlier this month because xir archive is no longer accessible (thanks tumblr). i had to go back to that death cult post and backtrack a few pages to access xir earlier posts.

but here's proof of what anon said. i can't archive it due to prismatic making xir blog login-only, but here is a screenshot.

i hope other people who have proof of prismatic-bell suicide-baiting will report it to tumblr. this is inexcusable and alarming, and combined with xir recent threat of calling the feds makes xir a legitimate danger to the community.

[borderlinereminders]

This might be a bit triggering below the read-more but I thought these two asks coming in back to back was honestly kind of funny. I don’t normally post hateful asks like this, but the contrast is quite something.

But also, just so you know, the nice asks you send do make a difference. For me, but also others. Please never stop being kind like that!

[satyrradio]

what the fuck is this "anti afab solidarity" you fucking punk promoting misogynist solidarity go spend some fucking time with your besties on r/churchofmen then and slit piece of shit!!!!

slit!!!!

new copypasta just dropped