#Seraph spoilers
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sundayswiththeilluminati · 2 years ago
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so uhh 👀 how're you feeling this week? (this is about destiny, pls ignore if you're behind on playing)
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P.S. I realized I need to be clear: I am not saying this because I am "emotionally devastated." I am saying this because I am fucking furious. They just assassinated one of the greatest and oldest characters in the Destiny setting in the cheapest, most trite, most UTTERLY POINTLESS MANNER. "It's about being More Than A Weapon" SO WAS WARMIND. SO WAS SEASON OF THE WORTHY. If you want to have him be "more than a weapon" why not instead of a cheap sacrifice ploy - a violent self-destruct - you let him LIVE. Find a purpose other than destruction and violence. Be something other than a Warmind! But no. You take the easiest, most manipulative way out.
The Warmind Rasputin is a very, very complex character. He's old and has a lot of lore and sits in a weird power dynamic where he's tremendously well-armed but also underpowered. It's legit hard to write storylines for him. I get it! Trust me, I've tried. It's hard to write gameplay around him. But now instead of dealing with it the writers have taken the cheapest possible way out of a plotline they don't know what to do with and don't how how to tie up. This was COMPLETELY GODDAMN POINTLESS. It did NOTHING. We could have destroyed the warsats ourselves! The Traveler is still completely boned and continues to not contribute anything in any way! Rasputin doesn't even get to contribute in any way! He never gets to feel like he really did defend or even help humanity! His big final act is erasing himself, implying it was a mistake for him to ever be made and it would have been better if he never existed! IT MEANT NOTHING.
AND IT DOESN'T EVEN GET TO BE ABOUT RASPUTIN IN THE END. It has to be about Ana, and the Traveler, and Eramis, and a bunch of other random assholes. Half this season was Clovis, not Rasputin! And Osiris, in the dungeon! HE DIDN'T EVEN GET TO BE THE STAR OF HIS OWN FUCKING SEASON. As per goddamn usual Rasputin isn't the focus of his own story, not now and not in the DLC literally named after him. HE WASN'T EVEN THE MAIN CHARACTER IN HIS OWN DEATH. The fucking TRAVELER stole the spotlight YET AGAIN. But they pulled out all the sad dramatic music and voice-acting so everyone's going to gush about how wonderfully touching and ~emotional~ the finale was while ignoring the TRAINWRECK of writing that was this ENTIRE SEASON culminating in one of the dumbest narrative choices I've ever goddamn seen!
I quit. I'm done. I'm just fucking done.
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sovpologist · 2 years ago
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ok finally went ahead and caught up with the season and here are my thoughts!
hmmm... i like the season's concept but not the execution sadly. it feels bad to have an entire season where the central question is "how do you be more than a weapon" and the answer to that question is "kill yourself to save others" i guess????? rasputin didnt really get the chance to live as more than a weapon and ended his life AS a weapon but its okay and "growth" because he's being a weapon... for people he cares about this time? idk, i'm not one of those people who are like "you don't owe anyone anything" because i think helping other people is a beautiful thing to do and i love destiny's focus on community, but i feel like rasputin's ending was more about denying him community if that makes sense... he never really got the chance to experience humanity and be human unless you count his recouped felwinter memories
i feel like there were so many interesting routes we could have gone with a fully mobile and "human" rasputin that i guess the writers were just not interested in exploring... im not a rasputin loremaster so if there was precedence for rasputin being inseparable from his warsats please lmk but it genuinely felt like it came from nowhere that rasputin HAD to die to shut down the warsats. until now they had been treated as something completely separate from him (they were able to operate remotely even when he was shut down for god's sake, although you can argue gameplay elements don't equal canon)
even when ana says "there has to be another way" rasputin's response seems to indicate that it doesn't even matter because somehow someday someone will eventually get hold of the warsats and use them for harm so he might as well just die now, which again is like.... such an unhealthy and negatively self-sacrificing mindset!!!!! it is genuinely really sad to play through all the seasonal missions at once and do a speedrun of rasputin going from confident to completely depressed and questioning his purpose in life if he can't be a weapon and use force to overpower his enemies, and then to have that arc just NEVER be resolved bc he immediately decides he needs to die for the good of others. it was just a completely unsatisfying arc
there are a billion other ways the writers could have sufficiently nerfed rasputin so to not have to deal with an overpowered war god of a character who can call in an airstrike anywhere at any time and can hack every computer in existence simultaneously (listen, i get it, it would be hard to write around that) and i have to believe the destiny writers aren't stupid so i guess they genuinely just really thought rasputin had to die, probably because they wanted something "big" and "shocking" going into lightfall. and i get the meta reason is that this "chapter" of destiny is wrapping up and we have to get rid of some dangling characters and plot threads but idk i don't think that should stop me from being able to critique HOW they decide to shed characters. have rasputin lose access to his warsats and databases and decide he wants to fuck off to felwinters peak to do some soul searching if you really just dont want to have to deal with writing him into lightfall and final shape!
it just feels like such a waste as a character and i'm not even a huge rasputin fan. what really frustrates me is the wasted potential. you barely actually get to meet the "real" rasputin and he's gone, which is why the whole "emotional death scene" fell very flat for me. the ending cinematic was very gorgeous, no doubt about it, but it wasn't as emotionally moving to me as it was to others and i assume thats because i didn't play d1 so i wasn't waiting seven years for this character to actually show up as anything other than ominous backwards disembodied russian voicelines
but i dont want to be totally negative, there were a lot of small character moments i really liked. the bray sisters stuff was great and i loved mara and osiris' conversation, it was nice to see the game acknowledge that they're friends. oh and i genuinely liked rasputin's poetry! submit this man's work to the poetry foundation! it was also nice to see the mid season operation missions get changed up a little too, they felt fun and unique, and seraph station was sooooo fun! i feel like the gameplay elements of this season were great; i just didn't love the direction they took the story in the end
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gildedstarbaker · 7 months ago
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"He's just a Ghost. You raised an army! You can bring back one Ghost!"
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shadowyseraph · 1 month ago
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Tbh I think Bee slayed in this fit
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l1va22 · 6 months ago
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dare I say kagami
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haine-kleine · 8 months ago
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Every ONS fan for the past 20 chapters:
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jcena18 · 1 year ago
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“Owari No Seraph Fascinated us Because we can't tell if the writing is Genius or Bullshit”
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fukiana · 2 years ago
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DESTINY 2: SEASON OF THE SERAPH (2023) 💫 dev. Bungie
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raw-lesbian-energy · 5 months ago
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I drew some Sera-V art in honour of the most recent episode :3
MURDER DRONES EPISODE 8 SPOILERS UNDERNEATH!!
V introducing Seraph to the stray dog she found
Don't mind Seraph, hospitals are stressful
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divinetransseraphim · 2 months ago
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Viktor and Jayce in the last episode of Arcane felt more homosexual than actual gay sex
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erismourn · 2 years ago
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idk if crimson days is technically canonically around/on feb 14, but can you imagine. being on a date with your lover and the traveler just fucking leaves. jesus christ.
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lostsoulaltair · 6 days ago
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Owari no Seraph Chapter 143 - Analysis and Review. SPOILERS Ahead
今日は皆さん。久しぶりですね。
Hey everyone, it's been a while hehe...Soo, given that the chapter was released in Japan, we'll have to wait until it gets released on this side till Jan 10th. Nevertheless, I want to give an insight.
P.S: As usual, ships are excluded and everything's held within a neutral view.
The chapter starts retaking from chapter 142, an encounter between the Shinoa Squad and the 5th Progenitor Ky Luc. There is an eventual fight of willpower given that Shinoa is aiming to turn Ky Luc into a cursed gear from the black series so Mitsuba can wield. Along this, we have a flashback on which it is revealed as to why Ky Luc followed Urd Geales with utmost loyalty.
The reason behind is because Urd wants to die. But not die like a demon but as a human. To reach mortality in order to die like the human he was born.
Upon hearing such dream, Ky Luc was amazed by such dream, promising himself to carry on and live until Urd fulfilled his dream.
Given this, Ky Luc's will was all that kept him from turning into a demon, nevertheless, given that Shinoa was devouring him as well, Shinoa was able to feel his feelings and memories, making her overwhelmed, nevertheless, the squad was there for her so she could manage to turn Ky into a demon.
She apologizes to him for that and at the end we have an Owari Kaisen. [Shinoa made the new demon as two fingers. Don't ask what the author was thinking cause Idk either haha].
As for the end of the chapter, Shinoa now knows what Urd and Rigr are thinking along Yuu's location.
Analysis
First of all, many might consider or may think that the portrayal of strength between Shinoa and Ky Luc was unfair along that her power up was random...
I will say that the way things are paced is not exactly the best. The story is reaching its eventual end and yes, there are things that could have been detailed much better or polished nevertheless, let's not forget details that have been from the very beginning.
What do I mean?
Ever since the LN were published, it has been stated that Shinoa is far stronger than other characters. That includes Mahiru, Guren, the adults even by Shikama. But why's that?
Simple, Shinoa has had the ability to accept demons without losing her heart, without needing to do trials like other wielders as seen in old chapters and the last one which was chapter 102 till chapter 106. [That's when Yuu fought went to save Mika, then fought against him to make him his cursed gear].
Now, following suit, why did Shinoa never do such task when she had the power but chose until now?
Well, it all goes with the narrative but also with her emotional development. What do I mean?
Perhaps people what makes them feel like something's wrong is not only the narrative but also the building of "expectation". Long ago, I was actually pissed, angry or rather upset with how things turned in OnS in terms of story, I felt no motivation to write or the sort but then, along a friend, we started to consider other aspects from what we actually expected but rather, what the characters were displaying emotional wise and rationality wise.
Which means, the characters are driven regarding how they feel, what they aspire, what they want, along what they know about their own selves.
With Shinoa, she thought she had found out what she wanted, she thought that because she had fallen in love and was together in a squad, she had truthfully lived when in reality, she was taking the baby steps required to live.
As Kouhei Kadono's LNs suggest. In order to have the right to die, you must live first.
But returning to the topic. Shinoa had a massive advantage against Shikama not because of raw power alone. It was first seen she could take any demon into her and use them (LN which came to portrayal on chapter 133). But let's remember that Rigr made certain Shikama's powers were constantly restrained due to the place they managed to create, giving Shinoa an advantage.
In the case of Ky Luc, Shinoa was able to bust her own teammates so they could actually pull a fight against a beast like Ky Luc.
Her being able to know how to create a demon, this was shown in early chapters when Mikaela turned into a demon. Knowledge is power and in a war where life is at stake, such knowledge comes in handy.
The next question, why did Ky Luc lose if he was powerful?
One of the topics that it's heavily touched in Ky Luc's backstory is that Ky had no sense of why he wanted to live. He had a bind that all he knew was that he had to survive. Ky fought through life to survive but not until he met Urd Geales, did he find a first thing to live for. Nevertheless, he is living for someone but not living for himself. What do I mean?
Usually, the story tends to portray how characters want to be recognized, how they want to be seen to someone else's eyes along how people start gathering around them. But the other side of the coin is, what is exactly to live? What does living exactly mean?
It's not just about living for someone but actually finding a reason for your own. It is a delicate thread between selfishness along personal love, it's hell after all. It's finding in a desolate land a reason as to why one's self is existing and living. Even during hell, or during the trial called life, people find meaning, they find things to do, to enjoy, to aspire for, to spend time with, to cry for, to lament for, but to grow for as well.
Ky Luc's human clock stopped, the reason he lost was because he always believed that vampires would be the strongest of their kind, never considering what divided humans and vampires. What exactly made humans be special yet frightening, but rather, he thought as long as he fought, as long as he made himself stronger, he wouldn't lose. But it was a different day there...Ky Luc had a past stained with blood and I'm not going to say he's a justificable character, but rather fascinating, how despite the mind along the ideals can set someone to see light, for others such light only reflects darkness.
As for the final point. The squad's role
For sure, the way they got their power up was not exactly the best developed point but given that the story had to move on, that's what we got. Shinoa being able to access to the First Progenitor's powers is what allowed her to give her team a chance to fight given that the protagonist is broken in terms of power as well, so there must exist a balance in power scale.
But, what is there to need to be discussed with the squad?
Their union.
One of the things that's been visible is that once Yuu left, the squad had a turnoil of emotions, distress, sadness, along feelings akin to feeling lost.
Like lambs who were waiting for the lead to guide them, but given that someone stood there, a new beacon began to shine. But instead of following Yuu and Guren; they began to follow a beacon to a new path. One on which they could dictaminate what they wanted to do with their lives.
Kimizuki, Yoichi and specially Mitsuba, have displayed growth despite few chapters passing by; they do treasure the family they have, they love Yuu but they are living in the present. They are not tied to what happened millenia ago, they want a better world, a world that lets humanity prosper and end the eternal hell they've been subjected to endure but among this, the real creation of bonds has been visible. The squad supporting each other, working together along ensuring each other is alright is one of the most precious things that can be witnessed.
As a side note
I usually complained about Mitsuba's poor development...but right now, her worrying about Shinoa, showing what it is to be a caring friend, what it means to give support for someone you hold dear. It means there is progress instead of blindy following. I hope we get to see interactions between Mitsuba and Ky Luc with time along constant development with the members of the squad.
What do you think about this? Let me know.
It's alright if you don't like it, just remember, respecting each other is what leads to good conversations.
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sovpologist · 2 years ago
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how did i get so unlucky?!
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purpleshadow-star · 1 year ago
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***Spoilers for Seraph of the End manga chapter 131***
I just wanna talk about Mika and Yuu's changes in demeanor in this chapter. This page, in particular, was actually really sad to me.
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Mika, while going along with Yuu's plans and ideas, was never really enthusiastic or optimistic about their chances of turning him back into a human. He was never super invested in saving his own life, but now that it's Yuu's life, he's suddenly super motivated. It's sad to me because it really emphasizes Mika's disregard for his own life. He didn't care as much about saving himself, but it's clear that he's about to pour all of himself and then some into keeping Yuu safe. It makes a depressing kind of sense. He's always been like this. Even as a kid, he gave up his body and blood to a vampire in order to provide for his family. He gave his life to distract Ferid to ensure that at least Yuu made it out alive. He then spent the next four years starving himself in order to keep as much of his humanity as possible and searching for Yuu. Once he found him, it was his single-minded mission to take Yuu away from the people who might be hurting him and to keep him safe. Mika has always held other people's lives, especially Yuu's, far above his own, and this chapter made this even more apparent.
Honestly, Yuu is the same way. He is 100% willing to sacrifice himself for the people he loves. Mika knows this, which is why he wanted Yuu to promise not to do exactly that. But notice, Yuu managed to avoid actually making the promise. Mika kept asking, but Yuu kept changing the subject.
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I hope that doesn't come back to bite us later...
As for Yuu's change in demeanor, it is also very telling. While Mika seems upbeat and motivated now that he can focus on keeping Yuu safe, Yuu seems more subdued and much less enthusiastic about it. Yuu was putting all of himself into trying to save Mika, but now that he's the one who needs to stay safe, he doesn't seem as driven. Yuu and Mika have literally swapped places. They are both ready to give their all to protect each other while at the same time being reluctant to give anywhere near that same amount of energy when it comes to helping themselves.
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black-sapphire57 · 5 months ago
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This literally went:
🫥🫥😅🫥🫥
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l1va22 · 2 months ago
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the fandom often forgets that not one bitch in ONS has strong morals all of them are deeply flawed and do horrible things thats literally how they were created by sika madu
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