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Rennifer Longwaters is the chief undergaoler of the dungeons beneath the Red Keep. He is descended from Ser Jon Waters, the bastard son of Princess Elaena Targaryen and Lord Alyn Velaryon.
Ben Plummsays he is part Braavosi, Summer Islander, Ibbenese, Qohorik, Dornish, Dothraki, and Westerosi. He claims to have a drop of Targaryen blood, which must be why dragons, particularly Viserion, have an affinity for him. He states an old member of House Plumm married a "dragon princess". He vaguely says that the wedding took place in the reign of Aegon Targaryen. Daenerys points out that there were five Aegons who reigned in Westeros and asks which one, but Ben fails to remember the regnal number requested.[4] Tyrion Lannister suspects him to be a distant descendant of a younger son of Viserys Plumm and a possible distant relation to the famous Ossifer Plumm, and that Ben thus has "two drops" of dragon blood, not just one,[5] as Viserys Plumm was rumored to have been fathered by King Aegon IV Targaryen on Princess Elaena Targaryen, Ossifer's wife.[6]
#Elaena Targaryen#Alyn Velaryon#Jon Waters#Rennifer Longwaters#asoiaf#Ossifer Plumm#Viserys Plumm#hotd#got#gotfanart#valyrianscrolls#digitalart#housetargaryen🐲#housetargaryen#asoiaffanart#a song of ice and fire#digital#game of thrones#asoiaf art#asoiaf fanart#house targaryen
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new oc alert:
rennifer longwaters' nephew whose parents are rennifer's brother and a massey daughter. they're dead and he's gyles rosby's unnamed ward. tourney knight turned vagabond who spends the entire wot5k doing a kingswood brotherhood redux but noble this time until gyles dies and he claims rosby. currently ruling rosby while the iron throne ignores it as hard as possible. probably allies with aegon vi and then dies in some wet and pathetic way
#asoiaf oc#i just think the longwaters are interesting. also fun dichotomy#between rennifer and theoretical hedge knight brother#by kingswood brotherhood redux i mean a combo of both the actual brotherhood and arthur#y'know. robinhood#friend of the smallfolk etc
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ASOIAF characters A-Z, almost didnt get them all on the page!!
Top Left: Aerys II Targaryen
First Row: Chataya, Zahrina, Florys the Fox, Blind Doss
Second Row: Bakhaz zo Loraq, Eleyna Westerling, Kyle the Cat, Gendel
Tiny one in between two and three: Nahra Otherys
Row Three: Hyle Hunt, Maester Mullin, John II Gardener, Septa Priscella Hogg
Row Four: Obara Sand, Rennifer Longwaters, The Stonehouse, Tyrek Lannister, Uhlan, Qoren Martell
Row Five: Maester Vyman, Septa Willow, Xanda Qo, Irri, Septa Ysabel
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we need to discuss thee topic: do you think that baela was alive or dead during the alyn/elaena affair?
For the sake of everyone involved, I hope Baela was dead by the time of that affair.
In A Feast for Crows, Rennifer Longwaters (Alyn/Elaena's descendant) says this about Alyn's love for Elaena:
“She was the fairest treasure of the Maidenvault. Lord Oakenfist the great admiral lost his heart to her, though he was married to another."
His words seem to imply Alyn was married at the time of the affair, but it's possible that because he is Alyn/Elaena's descendant, he has a more biased view and therefore believes Alyn favored Elaena over Baela.
GRRM said this about Elaena's love life in an SSM:
The great love of her life was her cousin, Alyn Velaryon, the seafarer and admiral known as Oakenfist, to whom she bore a bastard son and daughter, Jon and Jeyne Waters. She married thrice in later years, twice at a king's behest and once for passion. She gave birth to seven children, then declared that if seven was sufficient for the gods it would do for her as well.
This is what's said about her in The World of Ice and Fire:
Elaena outlived her siblings and led a tumultuous life once freed from the Maidenvault. Following in Daena’s footsteps, she bore the bastard twins Jon and Jeyne Waters to Alyn Velaryon, Lord Oakenfist. She hoped to wed him, it is written, but a year after his disappearance at sea, she gave up hope and agreed to marry elsewhere.
It's written in historical record that Elaena wanted to marry Alyn. So based off that assertion, I do lean towards the idea that Alyn must've been a widower at the time. Polygamy would not have been an option. The only other scenario is that Elaena wanted Alyn to set aside his marriage to Baela for her sake. With the information we know about Elaena and Alyn's personalities, it just seems very ooc for them to do such a thing. Also, it would be too cruel to Baela who would've been Alyn's wife for ~30+ years at the time of the affair. So I personally favor the widower idea.
#asoiaf#alyn velaryon#elaena targaryen#baela targaryen#alyn & elaena#alyn & baela#ask#whichever option grrm goes with I can already imagine the discourse should we ever get f&b2 💀
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You said you have three secret targ theories you respect. The Melisandre one, I'm assuming Jon (unless that's so obviously fact it's not even a theory), I'm curious about the other one(s)?
secret targaryen theories that i respect:
-The entirety of house hightower through rhaena but being a targaryen is gauche so they don’t talk about it
-Melisandre but only for the bit. she’s a secret RIVERS
-Danelle Lothston (someone doing cannibalism and blood magic during the blackfyre rebellions NOT being kin to the targaryens doesn’t make sense.)
-rennifer longwaters
-jon snow. i guess.
#i forgot about jon ngl#danelle lothston shows up to the 2nd blackfyre rebellion with daemon’s face and bloodraven is like summerhall we have a problem#i’ll ride for that one#in my harrenhal thing she was a secret targ for the bit abt representing the theory the curse is just cyclical targaryen impunity
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𝐍𝐄𝐖 𝐀𝐃𝐃𝐄𝐃 𝐌𝐔𝐒𝐄𝐒
𝐃𝐀𝐍𝐂𝐄 𝐎𝐅 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐃𝐑𝐀𝐆𝐎𝐍𝐒
Testing muse - Rhaenyra Targaryen. Viserys I firtborn child and daughter and proclaimed heir to the throne. Crowned at Dragonstone with her father's crown, she is often referred as The Black Queen, going against her brother Aegon, who she considers an usurper of her throne and a traitor.
Testing Muse - Baela Targaryen. Twin sister of Rhaena Targaryen and dragonrider of Moondancer, bethroded to Jacaerys Velaryon at the beggining of the dance, Baela is known as Baela the Brave and is as fierce on dragon as her mother ever was.
𝐒𝐎𝐍𝐆 𝐎𝐅 𝐈𝐂𝐄 𝐀𝐍𝐃 𝐅𝐈𝐑𝐄
Robert I Baratheon - First Baratheon King after Robert's Rebellion, where he overthrew the Targaryen dynasty under the Mad King and was chosen the next King. Robert is more of a warrior than a king, and the position of King excites him more when it involves battles and women. He is said to have over 30 children, all of them bastards.
Ser Daemon Sand - known as the Bastard of Godsgrace, is the bastard son of Ser Ryon Allyrion, the heir of House Allyrion. The knight is one of Dorne's finest swords. A former lover of Princess Arianne, he was send away by Prince Doran before being requested back to become her sworn sword as she begins her travel to the stormlands where Aegon landed, they are there to discover the truth of him.
Rennifer Longwaters - is the chief undergaoler of the dungeons beneath the Red Keep. He is descended from Ser Jon Waters, the bastard son of Princess Elaena Targaryen and Lord Alyn Velaryon. He always boosts about having royal blood himself and a little bit of dragon in him too.
𝐅𝐀𝐂𝐄𝐂𝐋𝐀𝐈𝐌𝐒 𝐈 𝐒𝐓𝐈𝐋𝐋 𝐍𝐄𝐄𝐃 𝐓𝐎 𝐒𝐎𝐑𝐓 𝐎𝐔𝐓
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The chief undergaoler telling Jaime he “has a little dragon in him” and all Jaime can say is “Yes, I almost mistook you for Aegon the Conqueror.”
#sir I almost busted out laughing at work#Jaime Lannister#Rennifer Longwaters#asoiaf#a feast for crows#his sass is the only reason I tolerate him sometimes
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Does the chief undergaoler Rennifer Longwaters work for Littlefinger?
Your guess is as good as mine, but I’d moreso expect him to work for Varys.
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Hello, How many generations do you think it takes for the bastard taint to go away? There are the Longwaters and Oldflowers. Do you think they still get problems from other noble families? Thanks.
I honestly don’t know. The ironborn give shit to houses descended from thralls and salt wives, like House Codd and House Humble; but ironborn society and mores are different from the rest of Westeros, so I’m not sure they’re a good example. We haven’t met any Oldflowers to see how they’re treated, nobody treats the Vikarys any different, and I don’t think we know of any other possibly bastard-descended houses. That is, except for House Longwaters, but (a) we really don’t know if they’re a house as such, they could just be a middle-class King’s Landing family with a surname, and (b) Rennifer Longwaters enjoys boasting about his descent from Elaena and Alyn’s bastard son and the royal blood in his veins, so he’s not going to let anyone forget his family’s origins. Though it’s certainly possible there are many bastard-descended families we haven’t met yet, but, well, we haven’t met them yet.
Still, the whole point of the name change, per GRRM, is to remove the stigma and to show that this family is comprised of trueborn and legitimate children despite their distant founder. So really, there shouldn’t be any taint by the second generation of legitimate births, third at the very most. Heck, Rennifer treats his ancestry as a romantic story, nothing to be ashamed about – he’s proud to declare his descent from a Targaryen princess and a noble hero. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear if House Oldflowers feels similarly about their backsided descent from the royal House Gardener.
@instantbouquetface-me replied:
Does House Baratheon help answer this though (Orys was not legitimized was he)? Or is the fact that they were raised so high despite that cancel any stigma?
Interesting thoughts, but no, unfortunately it doesn’t help much because it’s never definitely confirmed that Orys Baratheon was a bastard. It was strongly believed he was -- heck, Jaehaerys stated Orys was a dragonseed possibly born of the first night -- but he’s not named Orys Waters, which is an important point. It means his nominal parents were married, and that Mr. Unnamed Baratheon called him son, even if everyone on Dragonstone thought he was actually Aerion Targaryen’s son. (F&B annoyance #100000 - it doesn’t clarify Orys’s parentage or origins in the slightest, let alone if he was legitimized or not, let alone the number of his children, let alone anything about Argella past the brief already-published Conquest stuff.)
Still, the fact that Orys’s bastard origins were such a strong rumor than even a Targaryen king would state that as a definite fact... and yet I don’t ever recall anyone saying that “Baratheons are all bastards”, or that their temper and fierceness comes from their Targaryen bastard heritage (it’s the Durrandon side that gets blamed for that usually)... that does suggest that the stigma drops out very quickly, yeah. But then, House Baratheon taking over everything Durrandon (sigil, house words, castle, governance of the stormlands), plus their high status as Hands and choice for Targaryen/Velaryon marriages, well, that also would have modified the way people react to them, probably. Oh, and ditto for Alyn Velaryon -- while he himself had the bastard stigma (even after he was legitimized), you never hear anything off about his and Baela’s House Velaryon descendants. (So far, at least.)
It’s kind of like the rumors about Aenys’s parentage and Daeron II’s parentage; even if they were secret bastards, which they probably weren’t, you still never hear anyone using it as a stigma against all their successors, because they’re Targaryens. Except from Blackfyre supporters of course... which makes me wonder, of Maegor’s supporters (and he had a few), did any call Aenys “falseborn” as well? (Visenya didn’t ever say that, note, she just believed he wasn’t fit to rule because he was too weak.) Yet another thing unanswered in F&B, sigh. And I’m getting off-topic, oh well...
#oddballnerdguy#asoiaf#asoiaf meta#westeros laws and customs#bastards#house oldflowers#house vikary#house longwaters#rennifer longwaters#orys baratheon#house baratheon#alyn velaryon#house velaryon#dragonseeds
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Do you subscribe to the theory that Syrio Forel IS Hagar? The Faceless man?
Thanks for the question, @caditopotter!
Well, PQ already gave you a pretty great answer, and I agree with the thematic and genre notes in his sacrifice, but, I’d like to elaborate that, logistically speaking, the timelines don’t mesh up well:
I got thirty this time, men and boys all bound for the Wall, and don’t be thinking they’re like that bastard brother o’ yours. Lord Eddard gave me pick o’ the dungeons, and I didn’t find no little lordlings down there.
“Rugen was here when need be, my lord. That must be said. The black cells are little used. Before your lordship’s little brother was sent down, we had Grand Maester Pycelle for a time, and before him Lord Stark the traitor. There were three others, common men, but Lord Stark gave them to the Night’s Watch. I did not think it good to free those three, but the papers were in proper order. I made note of that in a report as well, you may be certain of it.”
So, Jaqen H'ghar was already in the black cells while Ned was still alive and Syrio was teaching Arya. And, keep in mind, the black cells seem to be used for the absolute worst of criminals, seeing how Rennifer Longwaters speaks of them being “little used”, Cersei thinks of how they were not “not oft been occupied in recent years”, Varys’ speech about the progressively more unpleasant dungeon levels and the fact that Rorge and Biter were Jaqen’s company. So it’s not a case where Syrio took a random or innocent man’s identity, Jaqen himself did something to warrant the black cells.
There’s also the logistics of the Lannister forces killing off all the Stark loyalists in King’s Landing, yet Syrio was able to escape from Meryn Trant, despite a broken wooden sword and Meryn having steel, somehow get through the dungeons and turn into Jaqen… it just strikes me easier to go with Occam’s Razor and consider Syrio dead.
Though, there are other reasons beyond Occam’s Razor to assume Syrio died in that final struggle.
First off, characterization:
Syrio Forel stepped between them, tapping his wooden sword lightly against his boot. “You will be stopping there. Are you men or dogs that you would threaten a child?”
“Syrio, run,” she screamed.
“The first sword of Braavos does not run,” he sang as Ser Meryn slashed at him.
This is not a man who would run away from protecting a child just to save himself, nor ignore an injustice when he is capable of combating against it. Basic text already rules out those possibilities from Syrio’s own lips.
Second off, how it pertains to Arya’s journey. One of the biggest themes of her character arc is how to serve justice in a world teeming full of casual and brutal injustices. Her second chapter alone has her ruminate on the sheer injustice of Lady and her friend Mycah’s deaths:
They’d let the queen kill Lady, that was horrible enough, but then the Hound found Mycah. Jeyne Poole had told Arya that he’d cut him up in so many pieces that they’d given him back to the butcher in a bag, and at first the poor man had thought it was a pig they’d slaughtered. And no one had raised a voice or drawn a blade or anything, not Harwin who always talked so bold, or Alyn who was going to be a knight, or Jory who was captain of the guard. Not even her father.
There’s a dearth of justice in Westeros and even Arya has to reflect that friends and loved ones she was close to were willing to casually let the injustices of those deaths go because to outcry against them was too inconvenient or they didn’t care enough to do so. But, through Syrio, she sees a person willing to stand up and hold his ground against the (likely to follow) abuse of innocents.
And it pays off, considering Arya leaves King’s Landing. Justice exists and, from there, Arya has been alive to commit to meting it when she is able to.
Plus, all of Arya’s mentors seem to die on her, from the literal of Yoren and Beric (multiple times!) to the metaphorical (Jaqen and the Hound.) I don’t think Syrio himself would be able to escape this pattern, seeing how the others didn’t.
Third off, how it pertains to ASoIaF because Syrio’s death is a case that supports the reading that ASoIaF is not grimdark and one of its greater themes.
One of the main theses, if not the thesis, of ASoIaF is that you must hold against the darkness and cold winds in both the magical and political realms. You must stand up against atrocities and monsters, even though you may not be rewarded for it, because there is always a choice and a right one and people must make them to combat the world’s horrors and injustices .
ASoIaF absolutely has its share of last stands, existential victories and people stubbornly trying to hold onto their convictions in the face of the abyss. To hold firm to their ideals and fight back against abuse, dehumanization and cruelty. Syrio made the right choice and spent the last of his life defending an innocent child from being abused by Lannister soldiers… and gave Arya a chance to live.
It matters that Syrio gave his life to let Arya escape, not that he got killed by Meryn Trant.
Hope this satisfies!
#arya stark#syrio forel#jaqen h'ghar#rennifer longwaters#varys#injustice#justice#existential victory
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Rennifer Longwaters, Jon Waters, Jeyne Waters
#Rennifer Longwaters#Jon Waters#Jeyne Waters#digital#game of thrones#hotd#asoiaf art#asoiaf fanart#asoiaf#got#gotfanart#house targaryen#valyrianscrolls#a song of ice and fire#digitalart#asoiaffanart#housetargaryen#housetargaryen🐲
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I really wish Jaehaera was wife and Queen of Aegon III instead of Daenora and was alive during Blackfyre Rebellions. What would her reaction would be when Daena was passed in favour of Viserys II, as its the same thing to happen her aunt Rhaenyra(and his mother!) - would she the one who help built the friendship between Daemon and Aegor, the one who suggested the marriage of Daemon and Rohanne? Would she be disappointed in Elaena? So many things to explore imo
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Killing Jaehaera off at age 10 and for Aegon to not even care was one of the most annoying parts of F&B for me. It helps undermine one of the underlying messages of the Dance; that the older generation was self-destructive and unworthy of rule, so the only ones left to build a future together were the traumatized kids…except now that Jaehaera’s dead it feels like a complete Black victory, not a Black/Green compromise stalemate like before. It also keeps the Black/Green conflict in concrete present memory, as there are still Greens around by necessity instead of the major Greens leaving court by being stupid (Unwin Peake). Apparently I’m not alone with this, because people on Reddit floated the idea of Jaehaera living to be an adult queen in the show and being an influence on the Blackfyres. Of course you’d have to give her a personality transplant—as what little we get of her calls her “a sweet, simple girl”, probably not that interested in politics or ruling, though again she was only 10—to have her make some of the decisions you’ve described.
more discussion of the AU under the cut:
Jaehaera was technically usurped herself. By the law of Andal succession, as she was Aegon II’s last remaining child, the should’ve been heiress with Aegon as her consort rather than the other way around. I could definitely see someone in that position feeling angry about Baelor annulling his marriage to Daena, essentially taking the throne away from her family that was basically obliterated in the war (because if she was disinherited despite Andal custom, why not Daena if Baelor clearly wasn’t going to sire any heirs?) due to Baelor’s hypocritical religious fervor (septons are supposed to give up all their lands and titles, so if Baelor was a Septon he should’ve gone to a sept to study, not imprison his sisters). But of course, everyone with a brain hated the Maidenvault idea.
I think any noble mother would’ve felt disappointed at her daughters for having children out of wedlock, although the circumstances were understandable (imprisoned for 10 years from tweenage/teenager to adulthood is going to take a mental toll on someone). I think with Daenaera it might’ve even been worse because Baela was her foster mother and presented her to Aegon at the Maiden’s Day Ball…only for Baela’s husband to have an affair with her youngest daughter (35 years older than she was. I’ll reiterate that in the Targ tree, several adults are grandparents before they reached 35) while Baela was alive (don’t listen to the anti Daenas. Rennifer Longwaters says point blank Alyn “lost his heart to Elaena though he was married to another”). With Jaehaera, at least the relationship wasn’t so personal (although it’s implied that Aegon II was interested in Baela), though the age gap would give any mother the creeps.
I don’t think Jaehaera would push a Daemon/Rohanne match, because Rohanne is a foreigner without militarily powerful allies to call on quickly. In OTL, the match was Aegon’s idea for a future war with Dorne. Probably a Hightower cousin would be the match she’d recommend. If she lived, I think she would’ve blocked Aegon’s claim to fathering Daemon as Daena did, thus he’d have no right to dispose of Daemon’s hand. As for Aegor, I don’t think Jaehaera being alive would change what happened to the Bracken sisters, meaning he was banished from court until Aegon’s death, and couldn’t be a childhood friend of Daemon’s. Aegor is predisposed to hate the Targaryens (for good reason), so I don’t know if he’d be willing to support yet another Targaryen branch in taking the throne, unless they were demonstrably better than the current rulers (not that it be hard)
I find it a little puzzling that some people who imagine Queen Jaehaera AUs understand that the Hightowers would feel usurped by Viserys II and want their descendant Daemon “Greenfyre” on the throne, but at the same time other people adamantly refuse to believe that the Velaryons might’ve supported Daemon for a similar reason in OTL (especially since they went from #2 house under Aegon III to …? under Aegon IV and Daeron II, who notably stacked the court with their own yes men).
It’s all a lot to imagine, for sure.
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If even born yet, Ser Longwaters was almost certainly too young to just be a newly made squire in the 1st Rebellion. Rather, he most likely won (at least some of) his fame in the 3rd. His father, Jon Waters, probably made his own name in the 1st, though. And with his familial connections, it's a near certainty that Jon supported the red dragon. To say nothing of descendant Rennifer living in King's Landing itself, not in Essosi exile.
Yeah, if Jon Waters was born in 171-176 then the future House Longwaters knight is definitely too young. But Jon might have only squired in the First Blackfyre.
Jon may not necessarily have followed House Velaryon. But I'm guessing it's more likely than he supported the reds.
-SLAL
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Rennifer Longwaters is potentially the closest generationally to the pre-conqueror era.
Daemon Velaryon is born in 11 BC. He fathers
Corlys Velaryon in 53, who fathers
Aly Velaryon in 115, who fathers
Jon Waters in 176, who fathers
Ser Longwaters in 189 AT THE EARLIEST
Rennifer Longwaters tells Jaime:
"I am not one to boast, but there is royal blood in my veins. I am descended from a princess. My father told me the tale when I was a tad of a lad. . . . She was the fairest treasure of the Maidenvault. Lord Oakenfist the great admiral lost his heart to her, though he was married to another. She gave their son the bastard name of 'Waters' in honor of his father, and he grew to be a great knight, as did his own son, who put the 'Long' before the 'Waters' so men might know that he was not basely born himself. So I have a little dragon in me."
As to his age, we know that he is “a bentback old man” who “had not been a tad of a lad for many a year, to judge from his spotted head and the white hairs growing from his chin.”
So he’s OLD. Let’s be kind and put him at ~50. That means he was born in ~250. If his father was the first Ser Longwaters, he probably would have just said “my dad was a great knight . . .” Since he didn’t, we can assume dad is AT LEAST the son of Ser Longwaters.
Let’s say there’s normal age gaps instead of everyone being born when dad is 13. So we get:
Ser Longwaters is born in 196, and fathers
Dad Longwaters in 224, who fathers
Rennifer Longwaters in 250
Therefore, he’d be SEVEN generations removed from the preconquest era. Almost the Westerosi equivalent of how President John Tyler (born 1790) has a living grandson right now.
#asoiaf meta#the questions no one else asks#family trees#house longwaters#house targaryen#i just really like family trees okay
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Bad adultery, good adultery
Reading the ASoIaF books, I can't help but notice that men cheating on their wives is romantised a bit, if they're the "good guys". But if it's a bad person doing it, then the adultery is another reason why they suck.
Corlys Velaryon cheats not once but at least twice and god knows how many actual times on his wife Rhaenys to produce two bastards within two years (with a teenage girl, too, while he was in his 60s). Not only that, but has one of the bastards legitimised and made heir to Driftmark, ahead of Rhaenys's actual descendant (Baela). Corlys was totally OK with cheating on his by all accounts faithful wife and cheat her descendants of their rightful inheritance. Now, Alyn married Baela and supposedly current Velaryons are their descendants - but Corlys did not arrange that, it was completely on Alyn and Baela (and after Corlys's death). He is treated as the honorable, good guy who did bothing wrong. Him cheating on his wife and placing his bastard above their granddaughter is not sonething we are supposed to criticize.
Then comes Corlys' said bastard son Alyn. Though the rumours about his affairs are not confirmed I really doubt every single one of them is untrue. It is heavily implied that Baela was around when he began his affair with her own niece Princess Elaena, since their descendant Rennifer Longwaters says that Alyn was in love with Elaena despite being married to another (though Longwaters could simply be wrong, it's been so many years). Alyn is never treated but a hero.
Moving on, we got Rhaegar. Rhaegar cheated on his (again, faithful) wife Elia with Lyanna. We get many characters praising him (Cersei, JonCon, Barristan) and not a single one condemning him for cheating on her. If Jon ends up saving the world, the very narrative will have sorta justified his actions, because otherwise Westeros would face the Other apocalypse. On top of that, you get the really nasty part of the fandom actually cheering him and declaring their happiness that precious Rhaegar's son was Lyanna's and not Elia's.
(Also Daemon Blackfyre. Apparently one of the reasons he rebelled was to get Daenerys back - never mind that he had a wife and getting with Daenerys would mean cheating on her, something not acknowledged at all. Instead, every person who knew him sans the royalists claim that he was a great, chivalrous guy and the Warrior reborn).
We're not meant to dislike these men, and not question their infidelity toward their faithful wives at all. After all a man has needs, right? When it's them, adultery is good. But for some reason, for men that are already painted in a bad light, adultery is just another reason why they suck.
Gyldayn mentions that Aegon II fathered two children the year his twins were born as something to highlight his greediness - a wife and children were not enough, Aegon wanted it all, how awful.
Aegon IV is a serial cheater who humiliates his wife on a daily basis. Bad, bad, hedonistic, unfaithful Aegon. He has children that aren't his wife's. Poor Naerys. Bad Aegon.
Aerys II also had numerous mistresses that he dismissed after, like, a month at max. Yandel even brings up Aegon IV while writing so. Bad Aerys who makes his wife's ladies his whores and cheats on her with them.
Again, it's a case of bad adultery vs good adultery. In all cases I brought up, the wives are all faithful, good and gracious that certainly deserve fidelity from their partners. The only difference is the men; we're supposed, as readers, to shrug it off when it comes to them being unfaithful if the author means for us to like them, and to condemn them if they are "bad guys". Another case of 'it does not matter what it is, but who does it'.
#rhaegar targaryen#lyanna stark#elia martell#corlys velaryon#rhaenys the queen who never was#alyn velaryon#baela targaryen#daenerys targaryen daughter of aegon#aegon iv targaryen#naerys targaryen#aegon ii targaryen#aerys ii targaryen#asoiaf#a song of ice and fire#especially corlys's case bothers me#gyldayn mentions rhaenys's fidelity#but grrm decided that he did not have to be as respectful to her
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Lady Johanna Lannister. née Westerling, was the Lady of Casterly Rock through her marriage to Lord Jason Lannister. During the civil war known as the Dance of the Dragons, Lady Johanna's husband, Lord Jason Lannister, and his twin brother, Ser Tyland, supported the greens. After Jason's death, Johanna ruled the Rock as a regent for their young son, Lord Loreon Lannister. During this time, she fought the ironborn who tried to take Casterly Rock. Dance Era. Canon.
Lady Tyshara Lannister. was a member of House Lannister during the reign of King Aegon III Targaryen and in her youth she saw the dance of dragons. After the death of Queen Jaehaera Targaryen in 133 AC, Lady Johanna set aside her war with the ironmen long enough to write the Hand that her daughters Cerelle and Tyshara were maidens of noble birth and marriageable age. Tysharar remain her brother's Loreon's favorite sister. Dance Era, Canon.
Jon Connington, also known as Griff, was the Lord of Griffin's Roost, the head of House Connington, towards the end of the reign of King Aerys II Targaryen. He served for a short time as Hand of the King to Aerys during Robert's Rebellion. It is implied that Jon was in love with Prince Rhaegar Targaryen. Jon travels to Westeros with Young Griff, believed to the Aegon, the son of his lost friend and rightful heir to the throne, he took control of his family's castle, keeping his relatives hostages. Canon. Song Era.
Ser Roland Storm. is the bastard son of Ser Ronnet Connington, the Knight of Griffin's Roost. He is most likely named for his grandfather, Ronald Connington. He resides in Griffin's Roost. Ronald is made a captive when Griffin's Roost is taken by Jon Connington and the Golden Company. When Jon orders that Ronald and the other young Conningtons be confined under guard, Ronald tries to bite the spearman closest to him. When Ronald tells Jon that his father will kill him, Jon sends the children back to their cells. Canon. Song Era.
Lady Laenyra Longwaters. Firstborn daughter of Rennifer Longwaters, a bastard house originated from House Valeryon, Laenyra is in charge of making sure the boats and ships are up to standards when making sail and all merchandise is intact. She also, for hte right price, smuggles people in and out of King's Landing. OC. Song Era.
Kira Kingsblood. Gerrick Kingsblood is a raider from the free folk and the founder of House Redbeard. He has a son and three daughters. Kira is the oldest of the daughters, and kissed by fire. Selyse arranges the betrothal of Gerrick's eldest daughter to Ser Axell Florent, her Hand and uncle. Kira considers him old and weak for a man and is often voicing her disagreement with the choice of husband. Semi-Canon, Song Era.
Sariah. Working in Mereen as an exotic dancer at the request of Hizdahr zo Loraq to entertain Queen Daenerys and his own pleasures when needed to gather the illusion. Freed from her work, she works in her skills as seamstress and often makes the Queen her new wardrobe in thankful for her liberation. Not remembering her home, although she believes it to be Asshai, Sariah remains to the queen's side. OC. Song Era.
Carexya Bloodstone. First stablished house of the Stepstones island where Daemon Targaryen had his seat when he proclaimed himself King of the Stepstones. During his stay there, he bastared a son and from him, the bloodline that stablished the house. Carexya is the last of the descendants and has a desire to reclaim Bloodstone as an independent kingdom or at least a princedom. She send letters to both Dorne and Mereen for either help, as her mother was a woman from dorne. OC. Song Era.
Lord Howland Reed. is the Lord of Greywater Watch and the head of House Reed, holding dominion over the crannogmen of the Neck. Howland's children with his wife Jyana are Meera and Jojen, and he is a close friend of Lord Eddard Stark of Winterfell. He remains as the last living person to have witnessed the Tower of Joy incident and knows the truth. He had been away at the Maesters Capitol to gather evidence of what transpire to reveal the truth. Canon. Song Era.
Lady Genna Lannister. is a noblewoman of House Lannister wed to Ser Emmon Frey, with whom she has four children: Ser Cleos, Lyonel, Tion, and Walder Frey. enna is the only daughter of the late Lord Tytos Lannister and Lady Jeyne Marbrand, and she is the younger sister of Tywin Lannister, Lord of Casterly Rock. Genna is the aunt of Queen Cersei Lannister, Ser Jaime Lannister of the Kingsguard, and Tyrion Lannister, having taken on a maternal role for the siblings after the death of Tywin's wife, Lady Joanna Lannister. Canon. Song Era.
Prince Doran Martell. Prince Doran Nymeros Martell, also known simply as Doran Martell, is the head of House Martell, the Prince of Dorne, and the Lord of Sunspear. Married to Lady Mellario, of the Free City of Norvos, he has three children: Arianne, Quentyn, and Trystane. He's also the elder brother of Elia and Oberyn Martell. In his early fifties, Doran is a cautious, pensive, and subtle man. He is prone to think long on the matters before him, weighing every word and every action. Doran has been focused for years on getting revenge for the murder of his sister, Elia, and her two young children during the Sack of King's Landing during Robert's Rebellion in 283 AC. Canon. Song Era.
Prince Quentyn Martell. Prince Quentyn Nymeros Martell, better known simply as Quentyn Martell, is a knight from House Martell. He is the second child and eldest son of Doran Martell, Prince of Dorne, and Lady Mellario of Norvos. He is cautious by nature and filled with doubts, fears, and insecurities. Quentyn does not want to be remembered as a failure, and cannot bear the thought of his father's disappointment, nor does he want friends to die for nothing. After his injuries by the fires of the dragon, Quentyn is in bad shape but survives, having spend weeks being treated, AU. Canon. Song Era.
Prince Raeonor Qoherys . The remainder Qoherys left and fled to Essos, after spending two decades in Volantis, the family settle in Lys and became one of the few ruling houses of the old Valyrian stronghold. Raeonor seeks revenge for the exile of his house and will offer money to anyone that will take it for them to travel back and regain Harrenhal, as he proclaims that the castle was cursed by his family's blood, carrying dragon blood, the blood magic is strong to this day. OC. Song Era.
Princess Meleya Qoherys. A priestess and a practiciener of R'hallor, Meleya believes only she can undue the curse placed on Harrenhal and every family that was taken down. Unlike her brother, she possesses the Valyrian features, except her eyes remain a shade of clear pink red, most say it's due to the magic she uses. Meleya is also known for being a magnificent dancer and often entertains guests by dancing for them. OC. Song Era.
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