#Reasons why I could never have castiel as my main favourite character
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iamthetruestrepairman Ā· 1 year ago
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I am a cheetah and Troy and abed are the dogs they put in my enclosure to keep me from going insane
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ananke-xiii Ā· 2 months ago
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The ā€œbody without organsā€ of Mary Winchester (andā€¦ Jimmy Novak).
When I started to pull the resurrection thread in the narrative of Supernatural I identified Castielā€™s team-work resurrection in S13 and Maryā€™s impossible resurrection in S14 as my two main reference points from where I could develop this whole fantasy of mine. My initial idea in a nutshell was the following: Chuck, at certain point, decided that he didnā€™t want Cas back. He also decided that he didnā€™t want Mary back. So I asked myself why, of course. There are two characters behind Cas and Maryā€™s resurrections and these are Jack and Amara. So I thought it was cool to assume that Jack and Amara were what really went wrong in Chuckā€™s story. Since the show ends with a dethroned Chuck and with the union of Jack and Amara as the new ā€œtop dogā€ in town, it seems like it isnā€™t just a cool assumption but itā€™s possibly also correct (correct, again, in my fantasy, because we never saw Amara in the finale so this is just my mind grasping for meaning that makes sense to me).
What I didnā€™t expect to find while I was resurrecting the narrative threads of this dead show is that, ultimately, Mary Winchester is basically a Jimmy Novak minus Castiel. Iā€™ll explain what I mean by this in a minute but I first want to say that I didnā€™t expect such a triangulation was going to come up. I already was aware of the connection between the theme of birth/motherhood/death and Castiel but I was surprised to find Jimmy Novak there, too.
Before going on I have to declare a little bit of defeat (for now). I believe that my mind can do any kind of cerebral somersaults but Iā€™m a bit at loss (for now) about the reason why Jimmy Novak was resurrected after Raphael killed Castiel. Jimmy-as-soul doesnā€™t come back when Lucifer kills Castiel and I canā€™t come up with, letā€™s say, ā€œdiegeticā€ reasons to explain it. Is it because Raphael was less powerful than Lucifer? Mmmh. Is it just Godā€™s will? Double mmmh. These reasons donā€™t satisfy me and I canā€™t help but see the cogs of the wheel turning behind the scenes, aka the same thing that happened to Final Ruby:
RUBY: Proof. This body is one-hundred percent socially conscious. I recycle. Al Gore would be proud. [ā€¦] You didnā€™t want me to take a body with someone in it, and I made sure that the spirit was gone. Apartment was empty. You happy?
Just like Ruby, who allegedly seems on Samā€™s side in S4 and therefore ā€œgoodā€, couldnā€™t be a demon possessing an innocent (since they wanted Sam and Ruby to make out hardā€¦ the implications would've beenā€¦ unpleasant), Castiel, too, couldn't keep sharing his vessel with his rightful owner (Off-topic: further proof that Ruby and Castiel are two different sides of the same character). This is all to say that the show was very aware of the implications of their favourite metaphors and had to come up with creative ways to get around the ā€œlawā€ that they themselves had created.
In other words, Jimmy Novakā€™s ā€œempty apartmentā€ was a necessary sacrifice to keep Castiel-as-character around (well, apparently, much like Chuck, some showrunners didnā€™t exactly want Castiel-as-character around but letā€™s stash this as further proof for the ā€œChuck is the writersā€ theory).
Jimmyā€™s body goes Through.A.Lot. from S4 to S13 where it ends up on a pyre with Kelly Klineā€™s corpse (!!! The things I have to say about this!!!). From S5 onwards, however, Jimmyā€™s not ā€œin thereā€ anymore so we can all breathe out because at least this poor man/character wasnā€™t actually ā€œin thereā€ to suffer and be testimony to all the sufferings. But his body and his new tenant did.
As Iā€™ve said before, after Casā€™ resurrection in S13 I donā€™t know how but I do know that Cas gets back complete with Jimmyā€™s body and I personally like to think that Casā€™ physical appearance from S13 is his own. Itā€™s his ā€œbodyā€. He stole Jimmyā€™s looks but itā€™s not Jimmyā€™s body anymore. Casā€™ body isā€¦ a replica (of Jimmyā€™s)ā€¦ capable of holdingā€¦ grace. In an unexpected turn of events, then, Jimmyā€™s body goes from awesome vessel coveted by all angels to a copy of itself. And this process actually frees poor Jimmyā€™s body from angelic tyranny (as if moving from vessel to copy can even be described as... freedom but anyway). How could this even be possible? Nothing comes from nothing, right?
Well, well, well! How lucky for me that Supernatural had established itself as a universe were ā€œformless matterā€ was ā€œjust there, waiting to be bornā€ and for God to pick and do what he pleases! So I finally come full-circle with my ā€œJack-as-hidden-threatā€ thesis: by waking Cas up in the Empty, Jack is creating his father who had gone back to being ā€œformless matterā€. In other words, Jack was already God in that he had the capacity to do the same things that God did. This is, by the way, the reason why the angels correctly identified him as the entity who couldā€™ve been able to create more angels. Because, I think, he could have, just not in the same way as the angels imagined (in my fantasy Nick's storyline doesn't happen so please remove all of your memories about Nick waking Lucifer up in the Empty, that never happened on this blog).
In this way Jack, even with all the complex issues he has with power, actually grew up a bit from S13 to S14: in S13 he only started the re-creation of his father by waking him up in the Empty (Cas had to do a lot of work, too) while in S14 he actually managed to bring Mary back. Itā€™s just that what he brought back was ā€œa shell. A body, you know. That it was empty. Just a a replica. "Incapable of holding life."
Jack could have brought Mary back. As a matter of fact, in this fantasy of mine, I think Chuck had to intervene because he realized that Jackā€™s next step in his progress wouldā€™ve been the final one that wouldā€™ve allowed him the complete mastery over resurrection (and over souls...). Jack couldā€™ve brought souls back without deals just like Amara could.
Now, I donā€™t know if Chuck can actually bring back souls or not. He apparently brought Jimmy back once. I thereofre donā€™t believe the ā€œitā€™s complicatedā€Ā  travesty he came up with in ā€œMoriahā€ because itā€™s a fact that even basic demons, provided that there was a deal, could bring souls back so why not Chuck? Itā€™s true, however, that, if it was Chuck who brought specifically Cas back before S13, then it would seem like he can manipulate grace rather than souls. Itā€™s also true that when he got angry in ā€œMoriahā€ he wasnā€™t able to resurrect the people in the cemetery who all came out zombie- and ghost-like. Following my fantasy I would say that Chuck canā€™t resurrect souls but Iā€™ll have to think about this, for now I canā€™t really decide.
Whatā€™s important here, to me anyway, is that, at a certain point in the story (according to this fantasy of mine), both Mary and Jimmy are ā€œjustā€ bodies that arenā€™t even real bodies: they are empty copies, replicas unable to hold life (but able to hold grace). Whatā€™s even more ā€œhilariousā€ is that Mary, whoā€™s THE mother of the story, is first ā€œabsolvedā€ of her ā€œsinā€ of giving birth to Sam and Dean via the construction of a world where she never was a mother and then, the following season, sheā€™s reduced to a copy of a body incapable of holding life (!!!) the creation of which was the reason why her whole family was damned. Jimmy, on the other hand, had to "do penance" because he had abondoned his family first, his angel second and accepted a life of torture to spare his own daughter the same life of pain. And he wasn't even successful! He's eventually reduced to a replica of a body that will never be capable of holding life again, only grace, the acceptance of which was his first "original sin".
What I'm trying to say is that Mary and Jimmy are repeatedly punished because they brought DEATH and destruction upon their respective families IN PERPETUITY. The more they try to protect their children, the more they seem to damn them. The punishment goes to the point where they can only be "free" once their souls are locked in heaven with their fictional spouses, their actual bodies are completely erased from earth and the threat of their reproduction is forever erased. We only get reproductions of them, copies to burn on pyres so that they would never, ever be able to hold and give LIFE again. The body is ABSENT.
Mary and Jimmy are reproductions (as in replicas) so that they could never again reproduce (as in procreate).
Supernatural is THE show about saturnine sterility if Iā€™ve ever seen one. There canā€™t be life in this show. Everything must stay recycled, characters can resurrect but never give new birth and, if they do (Hello Kelly Kline Forever), they must die.die.die. Love is okay only if it's lived in the after-life in a prison/suburbia-like Heaven with little boxes on the hillside, little boxes made of ticky-tacky ("And your mom and dadā€¦ they got a place over yonder"). Love in the physical realm, on the other hand, well... you can't get that, AND you can't have physical sex. Touch is forbidden.
And this is the reason, I think, why Castiel must also, eventually, die. Heā€™s too closely associated with the desire of creation. He wants to be god, he wants to feel human, he is woman, he is man, he wants to be mother, he wants to be father, he wants to hold grace, he wants to hold life, he wants to give, give, give, he wants to touch too much. Now Iā€™m talking symbolically here (although I believe that, my fantasy or not, this holds true textually too) but thereā€™s too much fertility, too much sex around Cas in a show thatā€™s ultimately about sterility. So he must die.
This is why Iā€™ve chosen the ā€œbody without organsā€ for Mary and Jimmy: itā€™s both an image of freedom (well, more or less since Heaven is a scam but okay) and an image of pain, of the cost, of the madness behind that freedom. Theyā€™re finally ā€œfreeā€, even COMPLETE (!!!) from the narrative once their bodies are utterly destroyed and what lives on is copy of what they used to be and never will be again.
The phrase ā€œBody without organsā€ comes from ā€œTo Have Done With the Judgement of Godā€ by Antonin Artaud:
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They have found a new way to bring out god and to capture him in his microbic noxiousness. This is to nail him though the heart, in the place where men love him best, under the guise of unhealthy sexuality, in that sinister appearance of morbid cruelty that he adopts whenever he is pleased to tetanize and madden humanity as he is doing now. He utilizes the spirit of purity and of a consciousness that has remained candid like mine to asphyxiate it with all the false appearances that he spreads universally through space and this is why Artaud le MĆ“mo can be taken for a person suffering from hallucinations. - What do you mean, Mr. Artaud? - I mean that I have found the way to put an end to this ape once and for all and that although nobody believes in god any more everybody believes more and more in man. So it is man whom we must now make up our minds to emasculate. - How's that? How's that? No matter how one takes you you are mad, ready for the straitjacket. - By placing him again, for the last time, on the autopsy table to remake his anatomy. I say, to remake his anatomy. Man is sick because he is badly constructed. We must make up our minds to strip him bare in order to scrape off that animalcule that itches him mortally, god, and with god his organs. Ā  For you can tie me up if you wish, but there is nothing more useless than an organ. When you will have made him a body without organs, then you will have delivered him from all his automatic reactions and restored him to his true freedom. They you will teach him again to dance wrong side out as in the frenzy of dance halls and this wrong side out will be his real place.
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robotlesbianjavert Ā· 2 years ago
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Do you mind if I ask your top 10 favorite characters (can be male or female) from all of the media that you loved (can be anime/manga, books, movies or tv series)? And why do you love them? Sorry if you've answered this question before.....Thanks...
oh it's been forever since i got a top characters ask - this has probably changed a lot since i last considered a definitive top ten. and actually this has tormented me a lot. had to kill a lot of darlings. oof. not actually definitive this could probably change a lot.
10) it's a really good thing i never got into Supernatural when the fandom was in its heyday i think there would be something wrong with me if i did. anyways november 5th unlatched something in me and i do think that Castiel is real and alive and gay out there in the universe in a way that precious few characters can lay claim to. everyone please respect him.
9) Battleborn is a dead game and a dead fandom which i grieve all the time, not least because it meant one of the greatest yuris of all time was lost from knowledge. anyways i love Galilea for largely gay reasons - tall woman in armor sword and shield, intense relationship of deep friendship and betrayal with Ambra, being a knight templar cursed by eldritch powers. i miss her. we truly lost something great. being so trapped between duty and love that it rips you apart for the rest of your existence. insane.
8) when Locus from Red vs Blue was first introduced like i kneeeeewwww they were gonna do something with him and also he had a sexy voice (tragically the voice actor turned out to be a dick.) and my knowing paid off. i love it when a character tries to abdicate their autonomy in order to escape their crimes but ultimately can't it's soooooo juicy.
7) Beast Wars has so many insanely good characters who are all my favourites and it is so so so hard to ever choose among them. but Blackarachnia claws her way to the top. funny enough it's a point where i think the show failed with her character that pushed her to the top - a large part of her characterization is trying to win and protect her autonomy/individuality, and "proving grounds" is such a triumphant climax of that. but she's also stuck in a toy commercial and needed a new design to sell so "crossing the rubicon" had to happen. it's something about how she had to be literally knocked out for the writers to make that upgrade happen that's both infuriating, but also speaks to how strong she is as a character.
6) Denji & Power from Chainsaw Man, do not separate them. i'm actually incapable of separating them. i have a lot of beloved characters from csm - makima, aki, kobeni, asa, yuko, it's probably easier to name the ones i don't like - but denji and power as both individual characters and as a relationship in the story is so important to me. denji was a character i actively didn't think i would love as much until the narrative gut punched me so hard with the full breadth of his story and development. power i always knew i would love, and it paid off i was so pleased with her and chapter 90 was pure euphoria for me. i need to see them together again so much.
5) Eleanor from The Haunting of Hill House, SPECIFICALLY the novel not the tv show, the tv show is nothing to me. she's anxiety incarnate she's trying too hard she's a uhaul lesbian she's a jealous paranoid waif of a woman but this house loves and accepts and wants her so she'll let it have her. there are a lot of parts of eleanor that are painfully familiar and no one will ever understand her like me. certainly not mike flanagan.
4) Community is one of my favourite tv shows, and in a similar way to beast wars there's so many characters that i love love love. but Shirley is actually a very easy choice. a choice with a lot of hang-ups as shirley is easily the most mistreated and least developed of the main long-term cast and every day i imagine myself shaking dan harmon violently saying hey if you were so proud of have half a room of female writers maybe you should have a) kept going with that and b) make less of them right. there's so much ground that could have been covered with her anger issues and past alcoholism, her crossed paths with jeff as kids, finding herself outside of being a wife and a mother, and they just struggled to really do right by her. but also she's so cute the way she says "i'm so sorryyyyy" in competitive ecology. kills me all the time.
3) i have written 18 spinaraki fics with more in my wips and i think it's fair to say that Spinner from Boku no Hero Academia is an all time forever favourite character for me, just barely edging out over shigaraki. obviously spinner is a gay little evil henchman so that clinches it. but also it's just like - seeing him go from a nothing character that could have easily have been written out, to being given his own plotline and character arc about trying to find meaning and purpose and ultimately finding it in caring SO HARD about one weird guy. and he's so moe. i believe in him.
2) jose from cybersix but i can't talk about it.
anyways i'm actually really at killing my darlings so really quick a couple of runner ups based on long-term history vs faves with a recency bias.
Runner-Ups Based on Intense & Passionate History
mr lahey from trailer park boys; enrico from stravaganza; bulk & skull from power rangers; jason voorhees from friday the 13th; redcloak from order of the stick; gob from arrested development; soundwave from transformers (franchise-wide); harvey dent from batman: the animated series; hardison & sophie from leverage; rabbit from winnie the pooh; cobra commander from gi joe; hyde from jekyll and hyde; griffin from the invisible man; bosola from duchess of malfi; masquerade & gus from bakugan; claptrap from borderlands; hook-handed man from a series of unfortunate events; kaiba from yu-gi-oh; rorschach & laurie from watchmen; stephanie and reverend putty from moral orel; demidevimon & impmon from digimon; quickstrike, inferno, dinobot, and rattrap from beast wars; chang & abed from community; cybersix from cybersix; shigaraki and honestly all of the lov & mla in bnha; six & makoto from bnha: vigilantes.
Runner Ups Based on Recency Bias
jessica from cannibal farm; mimi from psycho goreman; oj from nope; barbara howard from abbott elementary; evelyn & joy from eeaao; kinsey from the strangers: prey at night; misty, taissa, and shauna from yellowjackets; eva from monster; akagi from kimeno jihen; dimple from mp100; uma from disney's descendant (a movie series i have not watched. but i like her sooo much.)
okay with all that off my chest, my most number one favourite character of all time ever.
1 ) Meowth from Pokemon he's my best friend.
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tasteslikemolecules Ā· 4 years ago
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1, 12, 45?
1. Which season has the best aesthetic? Why does it resonate to you? I was almost going to say season 8 (the bleakness, the church, spitting blood, Sam's sick face, etc) but then I remembered the soft filter flashbacks, so I'd have to go with the Americana vibe of the really early seasons instead, season 1 & 2. I generally think both seasons are a bit overrated but the vibe and the aesthetics are amazing. I love how bleak it is and how vast and empty the roads they drive on. I love the dark filter. And as much as I love Cas, and I really do, I liked when everything was up in the air. Heaven, hell, it's all metaphysical guesswork, not real places you can just waltz in and out of. Death is a scary concept because it's final. Demons are scary and angels probably don't exist, they're not friends and lovers. Itā€™s just a lot more cool than anything that comes after.Ā 
12. Which season do you think is best written? Which is your favourite? Season 4 is best written, followed by 3 and 5 (depening on the day, 3 might be first) and they also happen to be my favourite. There's not one bad episode in the 4th season and I love Sam's arc so much. It's the one season where the main arc is best-developed from beginning to end; the main arc and the MOTWs are really well-combined. I like some arcs of later seasons even more, but they never really get to shine as much, and there'll be lots of episodes in between that you could just cut and drop in anywhere else in the season and it would still make just as much sense. In season 4 you need every episode (minus the comic relief ones, but those are actually great here too! And give some well-needed breathing room). The pacing is unparralled. I also really love season 8/9. And there are parts of season 7 and 13 (and 14) that have my favourite arcs and if they had gotten more space, would have made for perfect seasons. But when the later seasons are bad they are just so bad. On a whole different level than early seasons bad. So is 13.21 one of the most moving things I've ever seen on a TV show? Absolutely. But that season also has a lot of Ketch and people from other worlds with no character development whatsoever that I'm supposed to care about, walking around worlds I don't care about. In later seasons the show is actually boring at points, and that's just hard to excuse.
45. At what point do you think the characters started getting OOC, or do you think they never were?
That's a difficult one to answer, because whenever I think a character is OOC, I try to come up with intricate reasons why their actions could still make sense and are not OOC after all. But it's getting difficult to do that at some points in season 14 and 15.
I think Dean's moments where weā€™reĀ supposed to think he caresĀ about Jack are so bafflingly inconsistent with the story they're telling over the last three seasons, that I can only see them as some sort of self delusion and/or him trying to occasionally appease Sam, because he knows Sam cares about Jack.Ā 
There's a lot of that self delusion element in the later seasons in general, mostly about the way the others see and approach Dean. And in some parts that's interesting, but it's also obvious that this is not some clever meta comment from the show but bad writing that we're trying to find excuses for. This is also true for Dean's and Sam's feelings about their father. Sure, I can buy that they have complex feelings about him, but it goes from 'he's the best Dad ever, he did the best he could in a difficult situation' to 'Dean had to protect Sam from John and is scared what happens when he's forced to leave them alone'. These can't be both true at once. There's also so many moments in the show where Castiel is acting OOC that I'd say his characterisation varies and flactuates so strongly that there's no real consistent 'in character' over all seasons in the first place.
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crowmero Ā· 4 years ago
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MCL UL final review
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2020 was the year I took the resolution to make peace with MCL and the last thing I wanted to do before taking a break from the game was finishing UL season. I also wanted to follow tetrakys example just to make it more meaningful for me.
For starters I want to thank my boyfriend because he just got super interested to know more about all the games I enjoy or used to and just encouragement to keep playing if I feel like having a hour for myself to enjoy something because he knew how I was super busy and worn out with work at the time. I think he deserves credit on this because he was there supporting me in all this process and was the truly person who would hear me talk and rant about the game and hype with me at a time I didnā€™t have anyone to hear me because everything was complicated and some of my friends who played the game were also trying to come to terms in their own private way. It was wonderful to have someone cheering me in a positive way, to enjoy the things I wanted to have fun with without regrets. Thank you my dear!.
I feel like 2020 and 2021 have a impact in my general relationship with otome games, between some of my favorites games ending and me slowly drifting away from them. I feel like Iā€™m not the same person that I used to be and that things have changed too, but I donā€™t feel bad about it. I wish eventually I could go back to many of the games that I used to enjoy but I wonder if in the future there would be another game that would make me hype so much and I that I would devote and dedicate as much of myself as I used to.
Also a lot happened since 2018 and how much hurted for all what happened with MCL. I was tired of feeling bad about it so I felt like I have to come to terms with it. I have carried a lot of weight for other things in my life but never for a game. Is the first time that something like this didnā€™t worked as a way to cope but more as a way to hurt us. I do wonder a lot of things but are things that probably will never know. The only thing that could have made perfect my way out from the game if that we weren't in the middle of covid and trapped at home.
All that said, let's start talking about every topic on the list below:
LIs and routes
Non-LI characters
Favourite episode
Favourite scene
Favorite Outfit and/or Favourite illustration
Conclusions
LIs and routes
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Priya
Priya was my main LI and the one I was more excited about when UL launched before knowing the true about who she was replacing. Iā€™ve get to date her and fulfilled that fantasy. This was the season were we got to know her better, apartĀ from knowing that she was not that good with art (and working on it) and that she loved to write fictionĀ in her free time. I loved that she got more context to her motivations on becoming a lawyer and her family past life on india.Ā 
I think for me, the flirtingĀ was subtle but it was enough to understand, or maybe was because I was into her since many others just viewedĀ her as a good friend. But that was also actually cool for me, it was cool to have at ally, specially with the assaultĀ situation at the start of the game. She was fierce and protective and smart and caring.Ā 
But also I felt like the game keep pushing her aside or putting her in the back burner. Several times I was quite annoyed for the little time we get to spend with her (I mean, yes this was a general issue with all the LIā€™s since all five have to make an appearanceĀ in the short spanĀ of the episode) and the game will cheat on me when we have a good moment at her side making her run away because he needs to do/to be somewhere else.Ā 
I think since the season focused too much on Nath, Priya was one of the characters that got neglected and the sad part is that we actually had time in the last episodes that could had be filled with more trivia, more learning about her. We also didnā€™t get to meetĀ her parents or family and get to know more about her past than what was said.
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Hyun
Hyun is a character I didnā€™t expect to like on the long run but ended appreciating a lot. He become my second favorite after Priya. I think was the character that gotĀ me more confort looking at his illustrations. I wish I knew him better and I think he deserved more, it makes me feel bad that people look down on him as a character.Ā 
He is really nice! I really have a change of heart with him. I get that the game will push him onto us, but he is not bad at all. He is really thoughtful and worries about Candy and has cute details with her. Also my boyfriend is like him *shot*.Ā I don't really get the hate on him, I think is just because he is the most normal of the love interest, thus why people find him boring or plain (because he is not a rockstar, not a bad guy, not our teacher).Ā 
So he is like "the safe guy" you choice in real life because he is not full of BS and drama, he is just normal and tame, and some people just want that, but I get that doesn't work as a fantasy for some people. He is the guy who is prepared for everythingĀ and is there for you if you need him. Still impressed to where Hyun finds the strength to organize a party after all the stress with the thesis and cook for a whole army.
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Castiel
I have really few thoughts for Castiel since my Candy and him donā€™t liked each other much in high school and the few moments I came to feel ok with him was because he was Lysandreā€™s best friend (My Candyā€™s LI). He Ā really changed, he become more calm and collected and overall mature while he softenedĀ his original nature. It was a surprise he was not the first to start a fight but Nathaniel. I think I was lucky to spend time with him since he was more busy with his own life and personal business.
There were really sweet moments from him like when he give us his old MP3Ā  while we are in the infirmary, and some more chill like when we are waiting for the oral presentation at the end of the season and we share some company. We also find that he tries something with Candy if weā€™re not dating him, so that was unexpected and thrilling, it was a surprise he have this feelings for Candy or he wondered for her all this time. On the bad side, he tried to patronize Candy sometimes or just butt in Candyā€™s business with unrequested help and Iā€™m glad Candy called him out on that.
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Rayan
I don't find him creepy, I was actually interested in him because I'm almost his age and I find also interest in more older characters like him. Also I reflected that I can relate to him in some personal stuff (My thing wasn't as tragic, but I can understand him). Sadly I think his personality type is not for me and that's why I was kinda disappointed. What I was thinking that could have worked better with him is that instead of making him feel interest for our character since the start, for me would be more natural that our character makes the first move instead. So in that way, people who wanted to go for him from the start could unlock this path and players who don't want that, just carry on without worrying about him. I understand that people could change his mind over the course of the game and choosing his path from the start could be extreme, but also the option in episode 8 was not better. I don't think that an option like the one I suggest is that crazy. Overall, I don't think he was creepy, he just feel odd for me, and everything happening with him in a romantic way just didn't make sense if you're not into him, even the drama is pointless. Also It's weird because I don't feel he is the creepy type at all, he was just victim of the writers who forced everyones to be in love with Candy from the start instead of just building a relationship more naturally. But yeah, they needed to move the story quickly, no time to bother that much.
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Nathaniel
While revisiting my past notes about him, I more come to the conclusion that I really hated him and his guts in this season. It was worse because this whole season focus on him and how much he changed as a person. I was forced to deal with him and... I saw that as a waste of my time and AP.
I think Candy was really reasonable with him (I clearly remember how Candy would confront him and he just will go on circles and nonsense to try to avoid giving answers while acting like a poor lost soul). I also had to put with his nasty behavior and babysitting him when things got worse like when he was stabbed. Like at some point I couldnā€™t care less but the game would keep shoving him on my face.
Iā€™m surprised myself of having a heavy negative opinion about him. The sad thing is that despite my Candy being dragged in his whereabouts, being dragged for other characters like Amber (because Candy is the salt of the earth) to look for him and all the things, at the end Nath manages to disentangle himself all alone without our help or presence needed, and I understand how disappointing that was.
Like I feel sorry for the poor souls who loved Nathaniel in HS just to have a alien put on his skin and be someone completely different. I know this change also helped to bring attention to new players who love this kind of characters or he acted as a replacement for the old players in the crowd who needed to fill the gap that the old deleted characters left.
Non-LI characters
Chani was my favorite and I think was the favorite for many on this season. She became one of Candyā€™s BF and she also is caring, smart and supporting. I loved her own whole aesthetic and vibe, I wish I could have such a good and interesting friend like her. The episodes I enjoyed the most involved her (included all the weird trio wet dream haha) and she actually make me feel better and reassured in general while confronting all the bad arcs and misfortunes of the season. She also gift to us a pretty amulet and was one of the few extra items we got for free like in the HS times.
Yeleen was a character than for starters I really wanted to get to know better and become friends with. It makes me sad all the hate she received and also I got myself some angry person calling me out for liking her (that was awkward buddy). But i loved her developed and how she changed as a person. The bad side is that I wished we could develop a more intimate relationship with her, but Iā€™m happy with the good influence that was Candy for her and she take the bull by the horns at the end of the season. Her farewell letter was really touching.
A side character I liked from the beginning was Morgan because he was pretty handsome and I wish we knew more about him since he was also good vibes but got eclipseted when he becomes Alexyā€™s boyfriend.Ā I still remember when we though he was Kentin in the trailer.
I donā€™t really have positive opinions for the rest of the cast or I just really donā€™t care much. The other character that got a bit of redemption in my eyes was Rosa. It was hard to be friends with her because how much she changed as a person but also how much her new self contradicted with her past self. It was worse because she was there supporting and cheering my relationship with Lysander since she was dating his brother Leigh in HS but in UL was pushing me to look somewhere else. It was also weird for me to be hanging of with Leigh but not Lysander when we werenā€™t that close to Leigh in the past. I still believe that what happened to Rosa (the drama!) It was done so that we felt pity and sympathy for her. The thing that probably make me feel better about her was when she organized that date at the beach for my Candy and Priya, it was sweet, it was the moment when I really felt guilty about how I feel about her.
We should talk about Amber and how much of a failed and inexistent redemption arc was that? Adding that when we got on the topic of cyberbullying she got to be on the spotlight but we couldnā€™t talk about what happened in HS. Also she was dragged my Candy around for the sake of Nathaniel and she also give us a big scare when she faints in that bathroom stall...
Favourite episode
For some reason, Episode 11 got good grades from my part as chillest long trip (I HAVE TO TRUST MY OWN SELF ON THIS) but of course Episode 16 was second best because the sex dates (If only we didnā€™t have to deal with Nath at the start of the episode...)
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Episode 11 really got me thinking in a lot of things and make me remember some good memories. Chani was incredible in this episode, she really cares a lot about Candy. I wish a moment to chill right now the same way Candy and Chani go out to eat sushi and to the snake room, I miss doing this kind of things before Covid hit my country and everyone. In the same way, Chani has some very wise words to offer, things right now are so crazy and been stuck at home is just making everything just worse, taking care of you mental health is difficult, social media doesn't help either (Rosa did the smart call there deleting her social media) and fandom spaces right now are not doing that well.
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In general, I enjoyed how chill was everything for Candy and how she focused more on herself than the rest of the world. Like I wish she focused more on herself that in trying to save the world. All with Castiel was a trip from start to finish. All the description of the new video got me thinking in whatever video from MTV from the 2000's! I'm also surprised with how smooth he was in the scene in the apartment, was not difficult to me to imagine all the situation, and for a moment I wanted, really wanted to go his way, but since Priya is waiting for me and because I didn't expect of my HS mate to be soo into Candy, I stopped and leave. Was a interesting develope. It also got me thinking how some old classmates would think very different of me right now that from the child I was 15 years ago.
An well, we got to the Priya's moment, and... I really don't get why all that jealousy with Tara haha, my Candy is not like that at all, BUT I really wished more time with her (I know, the drama), but this episode really got us the perfect ending we didn't get in the past episode, just my Candy chilling, hugging and kissing her beloved.
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When I played episode 16 at first was with Priya and later did a replay with Hyun and honestly, Hyun date was bananas! I wish I could do all the dates to see how they play because all look cool on their own way. I didn't expect my Candy to be this horny for Priya (?).
After the traumatic events in the start of the episode, we get to chill with Chani because she is such a good friend and she also craft us an amulet to protect us from all the terrible things that happen Ā  Everything gets better in our date with Priya. We celebrate that she would be able to do her bar exam and we spend the day chilling on the park chatting, but Candy falls asleep in the middle lol. Priya invite us to spend the night since her roomie left for vacation. Our Candy reveals she still owns her HS underwear (?) so she proceeds to buy new one (I know underwear is expensive but five years is a lot, those things have holes already). We cross paths with Hyun and is hilarious, he was so embarrassed lol. Back in our date, time to get really nervous. I'm loving that all this characters are now into horror (Thanks Chino!) and Priya propose to watch " The haunting of Hill House". Anyway, it was hilarious how everything played because Candy rEaLly WanT It! but at the end, Priya falls asleep and Candy is too self conscious of Priya sleeping half naked next to her that she couldn't close her eyes all night long. Then morning arrives and everything gets really hot and yeah, I didn't expect that Candy was that thirsty omg. Coolest ending.
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Hyun date was bananas! I have to say it again because was so fun and cute all along: the fact that Candy surprised Hyun in the Cosy Bear since he have to work that day, that he is up to solve conflict with actual talking when we got a cheating scare, that he is a good person to helps people, even novices in online games. Yeah we also learned his weird thing for shoes that donā€™t reflect in his actual fashion lol. AND THE DATE! It was so hilarious that they wereĀ about to watch the wrong version of Toy Story! POOR HYUN! This dude was fucking prepared for the day, he brought everything in that magic bag, the ending was hot and satisfying, he really surprised me.
Favourite scene
NATHANIEL SHOWS IN THE MIDDLE OF CANDYā€™S STUDY SESSION WITH EVERYONE THERE AND PRIYA IS ABOUT TO KILL HIM BECAUSE MY CANDY CONFIDED ON HER AND NATH IS COMPLETELY CLUELESS ABOUT IT AAAAH YEAAAAW!
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This was the indiscutibleĀ winner because despite there was great momentsĀ to talk about, this was the only that really make me feel actual excitementĀ for this game (IS WEIRD I KNOW!).
Favorite Outfit and/or Favourite illustrationĀ 
Illustrations
This priya Illu is one of my favorite among the rest.
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This one was when I noticed Hyunā€™s great body.
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This is illu with Priya is also very sweet too.
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I felt really touched with this illu with Hyun.
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Candyā€™s expression is so funny.
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This was one of the cutes too and really funny<3
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Honorable mention
I think this was one of the most controversial Illus we got and hot too.
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OUTFITS
Ep 5 & 6 (and I forgot to add Ep 4!) but a big part of this season clothes were incredible.
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Ep 11 & 12
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Ep 15 & 20
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Honorable mention
Ep 9 party!
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Conclusions
Was I angry and disappointed when I started UL?
Yes
Have I made peace with it?
Yes, thatā€™s what I wanted to achieve doing this. I also feel like there is not much I can do or think at this point, Iā€™m kind of resigned.
Did this stop me from enjoying UL?
TheĀ ā€œangry and disappointedā€ part sure played into my original run and perception of the game. I think that this was the case for many others since the wounds were open fresh at that time. But it really took me until the middle and end of the third season (!) to change my perspective (aka like 2-3 years later). I would said that after all that time what bothered me the most that was stopping my enjoyment of the game was how long it takes to play it for free and how that limits you from the whole game experience.
Would I have enjoyed it more if BV hadnā€™t done us so dirty?
Of course! I ended enjoying the change of tone. I do think many players were precisely looking forward to see our favorite characters in a different phase of their lives. When the company lied to us is when everything burned. I think is a matter of opinion at this point: if Lys, Armin and Kentin stayed, I wonder how people would have taken this whole season since there was a lot of negative critic and people saying that it was for the best that the old boys werenā€™t there because they probably would have ended totally changed like Nathaniel. They also could have ended in the back burner like the new LIā€™s and that also wouldnā€™t be fair. But Iā€™m not sure how much of that negative critic is fueled by resentment or is biased by nostalgia since many didnā€™t bothered to play and just took what others were telling them without making their own opinion. For me was important to make my own opinion.
This season had their ups and downs, was hard to navigate with all the imposed changes, it was baffling to see how all the characters changed for good or bad, the dialogue options we got where I couldnā€™t relate at times especially at the begin, the thoughts on reflecting in all the very good things we got that also make me think I wished Lysander was around for all that.
I definitely donā€™t like the idea of replacing Lysander with Priya, both characters were unique in their own way and both deserved love and respect. Now that the first generation of My Candy Love ended itā€™s weird to be in this position were everyone is throwing a party around you in slow motion and feeling you donā€™t belong there because you werenā€™t lucky enough when picking your LI.
I was thinking on coming around at some point to play LL in the future (who knows) despite right now I donā€™t think I can make myself to do that and because I have the feeling that I will got more of what I got from UL. UL ending was fitting for me as aĀ ā€œwhat if...ā€ My Candy got a different path in life where Lysander is not around and having the extra of looking forward to a happy bright future. I still sincerely wish that I could have had more than what we got.
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fanfic-corner Ā· 4 years ago
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Slow Burn
You ever want to read a fic that is probably as long (or longer) than a book series, but not have the main love interests kiss until chapter 300? Then you probably have some issues, but I'm not a therapist, so here we go.
Stand By Me by whelvenwings on AO3. (31,252 words).
Tags: Zombie Apocalypse AU, Post-Apocalypse, Enemies to Friends to Lovers, Mutual Pining, Slow Burn, Hurt/Comfort, Sharing a Bed, Slow Dancing, Smut, First Kiss, Canon-Typical Violence, Touch-Starved Dean, Love Confessions.
My Rating: 5 stars.
Description:Ā Dean Winchester has been alone for a long, long time. When he and Castiel happen to find each other - a couple of survivors in a world thatā€™s been all but wiped clean - Deanā€™s looking for his brother; Castiel is looking for something to look for. They stick together, because neither of them much wants to be alone. They hate each other at first, of course. Dean hates Castiel for being weird and quiet and ironic and antagonistic and proud. Castiel hates Dean for being blunt and reckless and coarse, for drinking, for refusing to talk about how he feels and just pretending everything is fine. Most of all, they hate themselves and each other just for being alive. What right do they have to be alive? No one else seems to be. But against his own will, Dean starts to notice things about Castiel that he likes. Starts to hope that Castiel might like him, too. And together, they start to fight for a world where they're both alive - and that's a good thing.
Notes: One of the first fics I ever read, and one of my faves! The ending was slightly unsatisfying, but not so much that I would drop a star.
Angel's Wild by LimonadeGaby and riseofthefallenone on AO3. (389,271 words).
Tags: Alternate Universe, Wingfic, Hurt/Comfort, Wing Kink, Slow Build, Slow Burn.
My Rating: 5 stars. (If I could give it more, I would).
Description:Ā But thatā€™s the whole reason heā€™s here, isnā€™t it? Heā€™s not out here hunting Humans. Heā€™s not even hunting deer, or bears, or anything else that featured in Bambi. Heā€™s out here, freezing his nuts off every night, because heā€™s hunting Angels. Sometimes Dean wishes that Angels were like how theyā€™re described in the Bible. How people from time too old for him to care much about thought Angels were messengers and warriors of God, protectors of Humans. He knows that how theyā€™re really described in the Bible is actually pretty terrifying, but at least they were told by God that theyā€™re supposed to love Humans, right? Thatā€™s a thousand times better than what Angels really turned out to be.
Notes: I would be lying if I said I didnā€™t read all these slow burn fics just so I could rec this. I would also be lying if I said this wasnā€™t my favourite fic of all time. The pining is so intense it is practically unbearable to read. Honestly, I donā€™t care if you think it is too long or it isnā€™t really your thing; I would rec this to anyone with ears. I will still be reccing this in Hell. It is absolutely phenomenal.
a turn of the earth by mishcollin on AO3. (95,274 words).
Tags: Time Travel, Slow Burn, Canon Divergence, POV Dean Winchester, Alteration of s10 lore, Homophobic Language, Smut, Pining Dean, Preseries Dean, Mutual Pining.
My Rating: 5 stars.
Description:Ā Deanā€™s your typical half-orphaned, monster-killing 22-year-old until a trenchcoated stranger crashes into his back windshield one September night, claiming heā€™s an angel that knows him from the future and that heā€™s on the run. Frigging fantastic.
Notes: An absolutely excellent plot, which is excellently written, and is somehow simultaneously angsty and adorable.
Forget-Me-Not Blues by noangelsinthegarrison on AO3. (68,689 words).
Tags: Romantic Comedy, Firefighter Dean, Professor Castiel, Weddings, Misunderstandings, High School AU, Explicit Sexual Content, Fluff and Angst, Mutual Pining, Slow Burn.
My Rating: 5 stars.
Description:Ā Sam and Jess are getting married and Dean couldnā€™t be any happier for them. Honestly, theyā€™re kind of disgustingly perfect for each other and Deanā€™s pretty damn excited about staying with them the week before the wedding. Heā€™s Samā€™s best man, of course, and he doesnā€™t even mind that Jess has her own best man to share in all the organisational duties. The more the merrier, right?Except Dean must have done something to epically piss off the universe because Jessā€™s best man just happens to be Castiel frigginā€™ Novak. Heā€™s got even hotter since High School, but apparently no friendlier and if Cas wants to spend the week pretending like theyā€™ve never met before? Fine. Two can play at that game.
Notes: Jesus Christ, I have not read a single fic which sums up exactly how stupid Dean and Cas can be sometimes. I loved it.
the cost of a thing by quiettewandering on AO3. (74,198 words).
Tags: Canon Divergence, Angst with a Happy Ending, Fake Marriage, Human Castiel, Protective Dean Winchester, Touch-Starved Castiel, Mutual Pining, Jealous Dean Winchester, Slow Burn, Depressed Castiel, Fake/Pretend Relationship, Sharing a Bed.
My Rating: 5 stars.
Description:Ā 16 months ago, Cas became human.12 months ago, Cas left the bunker and a broken-hearted Dean behind. Now they must work a case together, where married couples are dying mysterious deaths and the only way to earn the neighbors' trust is by pretending to be married. Slowly, Dean finds that he loves being in a relationship with Cas, fake or not, and Cas finds his loneliness retreating, despite the harsh reality looming right around the corner. As Dean and Cas navigate this fake, but all too real, relationship, can they find the monster that is on a mysteriously motivated killing spree before itā€™s too late?
Notes: So cute! All the angst! My favourite trope! (So many exclamation marks!)
In All Your Borrowed Finery by vanishingact on AO3. (67,950 words).
Tags: Winged Dean Winchester, Winged Sam Winchester, Winged Castiel, Winged Gabriel, Spells & Enchantments, Hunters & Hunting, Case Fic, Harpies, Canon-Typical Violence, Major Character Injury, Slow Build, Slow Burn, Fluff and Humor and Smut and Angst, Wingfic, Fanart. My Rating: 5 stars. Description: Dean finds an interesting symbol in Kevin's angel tablet notes and, against Sam's counselling, uses it in the heat of battle with a pair of angelic assassins. Side effects include pain, disorientation, and uncontrollable new appendages for the Winchesters. A disgruntled Castiel and a delighted Gabriel show up to help. Hunting (and life) gets interesting when wings are involved.Ā  Notes: Okay this was literally adorable and you can not convince me otherwise. Every time I read a fic with everyoneā€™s favourite archangel, I miss him just a bit more. (This fic is slightly more Sabriel than Destiel, but only by a little).
In This Secluded Spot I Respond As I Wouldn't Elsewhere by RhymePhile on AO3. (33,953 words).
Tags: Modern Setting AU, Teenage AU, High Scool AU, Romance, Best Friends, First Love, First Kiss, Slow Build, Minor Violence, Bullying, Homophobia, Emotional Hurt/Comfort, Protective Dean Winchester, Texas, Slow Burn, Coming Out, Fluff and Angst, No Sex, Dean Winchester and Sam Winchester are Raised Separately, Mary Winchester Lives, Artist Castiel, Nerd Castiel, Grieving Castiel, Jock Dean Winchester.
My Rating: 4 stars.
Description:Ā It's 1995, and Castiel's high school years are destined to be difficult: home-schooled until eighth grade, he is awkward, shy, and socially inept. The weird kid with the funny name would rather isolate himself and draw in his sketchbook than deal with the constant bullying he faces every day. Things only get worse in his junior year when he excels in home economics class, leading the captain of the baseball team, Alastair, to start taunting him for being gay.Then new student Dean Winchester arrives at Flour Bluff High School, sharing many of Castiel's classes. Castiel has seen his type before -- handsome, athletic, arrogant, and sure to be the most popular kid in school. But Castiel eventually learns that he and Dean have more in common than he thought, and they form an unlikely friendship.
Notes: Pretty cute, and I did enjoy reading it. Not sure why like half the slow burn fics are set in a high school, but hey.
'Star Wars is Overrated' by leftdragonpainter on AO3. (38,186 words).
Tags: Soulmates, Soulmate-Identifying Marks, Pining, Drinking, Writer Castiel, Mechanic Dean, Neighbours, Swearing, Winchester Logic, Big Brother Gabriel, Clueless Dean, College Student Sam, Awkward Dates, Slow Burn, Injured Sam, Emotional Constipation, Angst, Confessions, Smut, Drunk Texting, Love Confessions, Temporary Amnesia, Angst and Humor.
My Rating: 4 stars.
Description: When Dean Winchester turned sixteen he was disappointed by the words that appeared on his chest. He never expected that it would take so much to find his soulmate. He never expected to not remember meeting them...
Notes: Every time I thought I knew what was gonna happen in this fic, something completely different happened. I think I have whiplash (but I love it!).
The Elysium High by EllenOfOz on AO3. (44,768 words).
Tags: Post-Apocalypse AU, Los Angeles, Dystopia AU, Angels are Dicks, Addict Sam Winchester, Recreational Drug Use, Witch Sam Winchester, Detective AU, Confused Castiel, Drugged Sex, Slow Burn, Cyborg Castiel.
My Rating: 3 stars.
Description:Ā In the not-too-distant future, climate change has wreaked havoc on the city of Los Angeles. When sea levels rose, and the Los Angeles Basin began to flood regularly like many coastal areas around the world, the population of the city moved up, off the ground and into the scrapers. Many years later, the city is divided into three rough zones: the Topzone, where the very wealthy live in the sunlight; the Midzone, where those of the less-well-off population live amid the flying traffic, the smog and their coffee addictions; and the Groundzone, what's left at close to ground levelā€”dim, grimy and occasionally very wet. Sam and Dean Winchester are drug investigators in the LAPD. During a bust, Dean is saved by Castiel, one of the mysterious Angels, the elite fighting unit of the LA City Council. When Castiel insists on taking Dean to Paradise because he says they have work for him, Dean has little choice but to go along. But when a new drug, ā€œElysiumā€, hits the scene, people all over the city start dying. The brothers and Castiel must work out where the drug is coming from and stop its spread before it's too late.
Notes: There was nothing wrong about this fic, it just wasnā€™t really my cup of tea. I found the fic that it reminded me of though; I Know A Place by whelvenwings.Ā It is fairly similar, but in my opinion a tad better.
So there we go: slow burns! And if youā€™re thinking,Ā ā€˜Lina, where are all the ridiculously long ones? I want them to have their first kiss 300 chapters in?ā€™ just know that I do not have the patience or the time for that. Mostly the patience. Okay, maybe I avoided them because they make me want to smash my phone. Whatever. Another day, maybe.
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deathisourbitchh Ā· 4 years ago
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Okay now that Iā€™ve had a day to process I'll start by saying the parts of the episode that brought a smile to my face:
1. Mimepires
2. Miracle
3. Dean asking Sam to just stay with him. (A bitter sweet smile but just seeing his vulnerability was nice.)
4. Dean saying he liked the song "Carry On My Wayward Son"
All of those were nice moments that would've been even nicer if this episode was in anyway good.
The finale of this show appears to be the love-child of the horrific endings of How I Met Your Mother and The Vampire Diaries. Just like HIMYM, you could watch the first ever episode of the show and the finale and feel like you haven't missed out on anything. Just as in The Vampire Diaries, you've got one brother waiting in Heaven while the other lives and long life. And it manages to blow them both out of the park with how horrific this ending was.
Every single character was robbed.
Firstly, Dean Winchester. He starts the series a killer, a hunter, "daddy's blunt weapon". He knows nothing except that he loves his brother and he's going to go out swinging "saving people, hunting things". Then we get 15 years of beautiful character development. We get a best friend in Cas, in Charlie, in Donna, etc. We get Dean finally getting a good father figure who loves him regardless of his hunting skills. Years of trauma and abuse and he slowly starts to learn that he isn't what he thinks he is. The culmination of this ending in Castiel's beautiful goodbye speech in 15x18 and then in 15x19 you see he really took those words to heart, finally realised he was more than hunting, when Chuck said "Dean Winchester, the ultimate killer" and he replies "that's not who I am". And then in 15x20, all of those years of character development is shot in the foot. Dean Winchester, the man who stopped the end of the world on multiple occasions, who stopped God, Lucifer, Michael and so much more was taken down by a D-Grade fight with a throwback villain that no one gives a damn about. Are we really supposed to accept that Dean Winchester was defeated by a rusty nail? He wasn't even trying to protect Sam, it was pointless and unnecessary.
Saying this, I was expecting one of the boys to end up in Heaven so I was willing to accept the rubbish death. But then Dean gets to Heaven, learns his parents are just down the road, learns that Cas is probably around and just... drives around until his brother gets there.
This character deserved so much more than what he got.
Secondly, Sam Winchester. Even if Dean had to die and Sam had to go on without him. Why the Hell did he have to do it alone? Why didn't Sam SPRINT to Eileen the moment he realised Jack had brought everyone back. Why wasn't her name mentioned once? And, if we're to believe the blur of a wife is Eileen, why not show her face? They keep using COVID-19 as an excuse but why was that random vampire from season 1 (or whenever) there? Why not the absolutely beautiful love interest? Eileen is exactly what Sam needed. Before this finale one of my favourite things about Supernatural was the sure and steady revelation that, despite Sam trying with Stanford and Jess, Sam was destined to be a hunter forever. He deserved a hunter wife and possibly be a "retired" hunter with the same responsibilities as Bobby (research, contacts, FBI...). Eileen could've given him the life he deserved but she just got punted off to the side. Sam should've never started his new life alone. He should've had Charlie and Eileen and Donna and Jody and everyone who was a part of their family. After 15 years I guess they've finally proved that family DOES end in blood.
As a side note, I couldn't have been more disinterested in the new Dean Winchester. He got a weird amount of screen time in the life montage.
Thirdly, Castiel was ROBBED. I think it's awful that one of the main characters (and the only reason I personally stuck around) wasn't included in the last two episodes. The last moment the viewers got with Cas was a fake prank call from Lucifer (who, by the way, no one asked for)? Then he got a couple of emotionless mentions and that's it. Cas died never knowing he was loved by anyone. And, allegedly, he's out of the empty to help shape Heaven again. Character development, who? I'm supposed to believe that Castiel, the only character with true free will throughout, didn't choose to 1. Save Dean 2. Let Sam know he was okay 3. RUN to Dean the moment he rocked up in Heaven? No, of course not, because that would mean addressing the beautiful goodbye speech and the romantic "I love you" he gave Dean. Castiel deserved better than a few mentions and a name scratched into a table.
I could go on but I think I've ranted enough. Every single character was given an ending they didn't deserve. They all deserved better. Thank you to the Winchester's "found family" who were thrown to the side. Thank you to the Winchester brothers who went through Hell and back multiple times to just end up exactly where they were in the pilot. Thank you to Castiel, the fan's favourite, who deserved more than being thrown in the Empty after one breath of true happiness. Thank you to Jack who only ever wanted to do right and protect his family and was taken away from them to be a "hands off" God.
Thank you to Supernatural, the show I've stuck with for 10 years. The show that let me down on a weekly basis. I stuck around for the characters and not the storylines and, now, even the characters have been ruined for me.
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maxortecho Ā· 5 years ago
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Why do you dislike Michael šŸ‘€
Ok first pls know most of my fandom friends like Michael so I donā€™t want to hurt any feelings šŸ˜‚ šŸ™ Under the cut so people donā€™t have to read it.
Also please no one take this as an opportunity to argue me out of my opinionsā€”itā€™s been almost 18 months in this fandom so Iā€™ve heard the arguments but my feelings are my feelings at this point.
- A ton of it is Vlamis. I found his acting try hard and obnoxious since his very first scene, and I have continued to feel that way.
- For a lot of S1, it felt like Michaelā€™s main argument was that Max shouldā€™ve just let Liz die. I loved Liz since her first scene, so as a defensive Liz stan I always got bothered by this attitude, and then became actively pissed off about it after it was revealed what the pod squad did.
- 1x02 diner scene. That one is massive. I have never been able to get past this scene. The problem with this scene also applies to Isobel for me. I have been in this fandom since 1x01 aired, so I remember when fandomā€™s main takeaway from this scene was how cool his ā€œchocoholicā€ line was and that was it. Also some anger about Michael getting punched. No one cared about how Liz was getting treated though. There ended up being some pushback discussion to Michael&Isobelā€™s behaviour in 1x02 starting around 1x05/1x06, which is also when metas/justifications for the 1x02 scene started popping up. Iā€™ve read basically all of them and disagreed. Still hate it.
- Weā€™ve never gotten an apology (for what happened to Rosa, or the treatment of Liz during S1). Personally, as a viewer, and even as a Max stan back then, I had to work towards forgiving Max after 1x06 aired. And that was ALREADY for the one pod squad character who a) saved Liz at the risk of himself and his family, and b) had been trying to protect Arturo since then (compare this to, say, Michaelā€™s ā€œmeh too badā€ reaction when Isobel said Arturo was likely going to be targeted by hate crimes that night). Max ultimately won my forgiveness in S1 because he apologised repeatedly, and he ended up handing all the power over to Liz so she could decide how to resolve her feelings about it and whether or not she wanted them to face the consequences. I came back around on Max because I saw genuine remorse. I have never gotten this content from Michael&Isobel so I personally have not had reason to shift in my feelings about them. Given how this show has played out, weā€™re likely not going to get that content, so Iā€™ll likely always be disinterested in both of them.
- Michaelā€™s violence largely goes unchecked by both the show and the fandom. Personally Michaelā€™s specific displays of violence are triggering for me. Fandomā€™s refusal to engage with this topic is frustrating; hell, I have read meta that has framed Michaelā€™s form of violence as being ā€œbetterā€ because he apparently controls what heā€™s doing and how far he goes with it and so he knows what heā€™s doing (never mind that violence is still violence on the receiving end, and that on the receiving end YOU donā€™t know where itā€™s going).
- Carinaļæ½ļæ½ļæ½s been upfront about him being her favourite and itā€™s becoming more apparent within the showā€™s content as we go on. The way things are written around him. The effort to centralise him. Iā€™m wary going forward that Liz will continue getting less effort put into her story, vs a character I donā€™t like increasingly getting more effort and care put into his. That Carina will have a harder time reining in her bias. See also Carina not promoting Jeanine/Liz at all during the hiatus while continually posting about Vlamis/Michael/MA. Iā€™m wary.
- In general, Iā€™m just not digging what the show is putting down with this character. He feels like a bunch of Dean Winchester fanfic tropes thrown together and... okay, even as someone whoā€™s consumed lots and lots of Dean/Castiel and bi!Dean fanfic, Iā€™m bored by it. That Michael&Sanders scene in 2x09? Itā€™s Dean&Bobby from SPN copy and paste. Sometimes Carinaā€™s past fandom history really jumps out, and itā€™s most obvious with Michael imo. RNMā€™s writing feels particularly weak around him imo.
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naruhearts Ā· 6 years ago
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14x18 First Watch Thoughts: Mary Winchester the Mirror, TFW and Destiel
**FLAILS**
My thoughts are practically incoherent because Iā€™m having BIG FEELS right now...VERY big feels re: TFW/Destiel narratives.
I am SUPERĀ glad Berens was the one who penned Maryā€™s death!! The episode was just well-done all around from start to finish and intensely executed, with the proper solid balance of angst, emotional insight from the characters placed inside Maryā€™s cathartic contextual role, and the consistent reiteration of Mary as TFWā€™s overall Parental Catharsis in 14x18ā€²s storytelling (and S12-14ā€²s whole parental premise in conjunction with John Winchesterā€™s ghost).Ā 
Mary was portrayed as the singular contrasting foil to TFWā€™s individual and combined arcs.Ā Absence was, obviously, a core theme, with Maryā€™s absence -- her death -- playing out as A. familial purpose (accountability and her death as the impetus to work together --> forgive each other, forgive yourself), B. self-purpose (self-realization via Jack: what did I do? Why did I do it? Why do we do things?), and C. romantic purpose on the Dean/Cas front.Ā 
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Let me explain C. -- well, WE BEEN KNEW. The metasphere wrote about this (my postĀ x).
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Dean was HEAVILY subtextually framed as the angry spouse undergoing a rough patch with Cas over Maryā€™s deathĀ Ā (the tension, juxtaposed by sad orchestral strings and soft lighting, Dean lashing out at Cas,Ā romantic framing via Deanā€™s back turned to Cas, their interactions holding frustration yet still underpinned by certain tenderness etc *sighhhhh*)Ā and Dean continuing down the route of giving Cas, not Sam, frosty shoulders -- emphasized by the romantic visual framing of space between them e.g. Sam preventing Cas from comforting Dean during Maryā€™s funeral, backs again facing each other, Dean and Cas interacting sparsely, Dean bitter and disengaged, CasĀ longing for forgiveness fromĀ Dean, Sam as the overt brother caught in the middle as he embodies the role of mediator and stable thinker for both of them etc -- just strengthens my belief that Destiel is going to experience another (hopefully) intense romance-coded confrontation as intense as the one they had in the cabin -- one that leads up to a loverā€™s make-up or some kind of emotional breakthrough/realization which has Cas happy enough to be taken by the Empty (remember, DEAN STILL DOESNā€™T KNOW ABOUT CASā€™ DEAL. Casā€™Ā life to save his sonā€™s life, harking back to Deanā€™s own fatherly self-sacrificial deal by saying Yes to Michael. He is utterly unaware that heā€™ll lose Cas)Ā and itā€™s a double punch here, because Dean will realize how stupid he is for not appreciating Cas -- more accurately, trying to be mutually transparent and honest with him (he has, though, and heā€™s made leaps and bounds)Ā before itā€™s too lateĀ but failing (final regression before progression). He does appreciate Cas, and Cas means more to him than anyone could ever describe *points at his Mind!Bar 14x10* yet their love languages still donā€™t align. ITā€™S NEVER TOO LATE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN, DEAN! 14x19 is written by BL so I additionally hope the D/C subtext from this point onwards works in our favour!!
As I said in above and in my liveblog posts, a summary:Ā 
The differences in Deanā€™s grieving are a COMPLETE visual comparison to 12x23, complete with overhead šŸ“ø shots and differing funeral pyre scenes: when he grieved over Cas, he was alone, kneeling on the ground, and was blatantly numb/emotionally incapacitated ā€“ Dean mourned the loss of his lover.Ā When heā€™s grieving Mary, Sam is by his side.Ā Brothers mourning the loss of their mother. Romantic vs familial.
Overt romance-coded parallels with Sam/Rowena keeping constant contact just like Dean/Cas do both offscreen and onscreen
Sam telling DeanĀ IT WASNā€™T JUST CAS and hisĀ ownĀ emotional pull in this ep asĀ expressing accountability for TFWā€™s actions in general ā€“ besides internalizing/talking about the self-guilt, shame, and the inevitable pain of losing people despite saving people (also re: the šŸ”‘ theme of doing the wrong, stupid thing for the right reasons) -- was character development on a marvelous scale. Dean was enlightened and began to admit it himself. Honest, open words. Dean and Cas should learn from him!!
Ā Cas was absolutely humanized, subsuming the Winchester Way of Bringing Family Back, and he additionally evoked honesty/an emotional justification while admitting his mistakes and again representing FAITH: faith in Jack narratively linked to FAITH IN HIMSELF and the season-long theme of believing thereā€™s another way -- in believing that good things shall come. As he appropriately told Anael last episode -- loneliness is a construct misconstrued by her; not being in oneā€™s physical presence doesnā€™t mean they arenā€™t there -- they are there. They are there for you. Narrative symmetry with 14x17ā€²s presence of emotional acknowledgement despite physical absence re: God (and TFW; just because Cas wasnā€™t with the Winchesters did not mean he loved them any less)Ā vs 14x18ā€²s absence of full-frontal communication despite physical presence re: Dean and Cas/TFW (being physically present also entails being emotionally present through HONESTY). Berens interlinked the subtext. Negative spaces are being filled. And thereā€™s also an Evil/dark dimension added to this Presence vs Absence commentary: Luciferā€™s a visage in Jackā€™s mind, just like Sam.Ā Jackā€™s soullessness has come to a psychological crux. Heā€™s teeter-tottering ā€“ tried desperately to bring Mary back, and now he might have fucked up the natural order (if BTS pics of zombies in 14x20 is linked to this).Ā  Furthermore:
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(*clutches chest* Thereā€™s the heartbreaking spousal-coded visual narrative.)
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Oh, Cas...Jack is BOTH good and evil. This is the intrinsic dualism of human nature. Itā€™s what makes Jack human. And goodness involves badness.Ā 
CAS: [Jack] was good for us. Indeed, we know he was.Ā The unhealthily-codependent-abusive notion of family TFW used to possess (where their overarching parental issues --Ā Chuckā€™s absence, Johnā€™s abuseĀ andĀ Maryā€™s absence -- crippled their early formative growth, extending into decades)Ā was deconstructed and rebuilt in healthier ways. Being a parent to Jack offset their true capabilities/qualities: FAITH (Cas), HOPE (Sam), and LOVE (Dean), alongside all the stickiness that came with his birth. By direct association, Cas learned (is learning) how to believe in himself. Sam learned (is learning) how to hope in himself. Dean learned (is learning) how to love himself. Mental/emotional release from their internal chains took place (will come to its final culmination in S15). In other words, Jack the Unifying TFW Mirror -- like Mary -- was the great interpersonal conduit for (a Jesus-figure-representation) honesty, appreciation (spending time with your loved ones), positive vs negative self-process, and self-awareness. Keep in mind that Jack has characteristically taken the place of Dean, Cas and Samā€™s own dark arcs (Soulless!Sam, in particular) with what looks like a Godstiel mirror in 14x19 -- heā€™s literally becoming textualized as TFWā€™s mirror -- and, like his parents, he is going to make his independent (wayward) choices and question the primacy of human nature: good, evil, and the grey in-between. Will he listen to his head or his heart?Ā  Most of all, Jack taught them that HuntingTM is filled with pain, horror, and death, but genuine purpose lies beyond it. The lives they live are also innumerably interlinked with joy and happiness. These positive things arenā€™t as sparse as they think: they have each other.
Mary Winchester is āš°ļø and resides in Heaven (her death successfully made me emotional and packed a deep personal punch; the black and white flashbacks interspersed throughout 14x18 relative to Maryā€™s influence on TFW was A++). She disappeared right when TFWā€™s arcs came together to display character progression. Her purpose ā€“ pushing TFW to engage in self-introspection, personal growth, and honesty with the Self and others ā€“ is done.
Mary, the Cas mirror, carved M.W. into the table with S.W and D.W. You know who should beĀ next, right? CASTIEL W. (and Jack W.)Ā (recall that inĀ 14x17, Mary relayed to Dean that she treasured and enjoyed her time with him and Sam -- channeling Casā€™ 14x12 farewell speech. Mary has always embodied LOVE, both romantic and familial, with the great virtue of honesty, and Dean, by proxy, has been telling his family he loves them. Again, who is the next family member heā€™ll say I LOVE YOU to? What do Dean and Cas WANT? Time to answer this question!!)
WE HAVE COME FULL CIRCLE. Narrative cyclism, yā€™all. Mary and John Winchester are finally at āœŒļø, and by so doing, TFW will experience emotional/personal/psychological āœŒļø as they leave their past behind to create their own optimistic self-actualized future. THEREā€™LL BE GENUINE PEACE WHEN YOU ARE DONE.
TFW MUST TALK
I mean, Iā€™ll probably reblog this with new thoughts during the next few days, but yes, ENDGAMEā€™S UPON US, and all the extensive meta regarding Dabb Era Love and...Love, Unity, Family, Honesty, the centrality of interpersonal relationships and Reconciliation of the Past & Future since Season New Beginnings 12/13 over Season Who Am I 14 should be realized in the final two ANGST-filled eps. TL;DR a gigantic multilayered soup of character-positive/relationship growth-positive meta coming to fruition for the main plot.
Berens has killed us all. 14x18 is one of my favourite Emotion-centric episodes yet!
RATING: 10/10
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Thank you for reading my sloppier-than-usual word-vomit!
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tetrakys Ā· 6 years ago
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My Gameplays
I play otome games a lot. Like... a lot.
I also tend to play all the routes whenever possible.
And I usually record myself playing, Iā€™ve just never shared my videos with anyone.
For this reason, I was thinking to start uploading my videos on Youtube. I donā€™t want to create a real channel and monetize it, I have a day job that keeps me very busy and have no intention of committing to anything serious. But if anyone is interested in any of my gameplays can let me know and I wouldnā€™t mind sharing the video.
Games I am currently interested in:
My Candy Love: I play all the routes, but on different servers. My main languages are Italian (Rayan and Castielā€™s routes) and English (Nath), so in these I could potentially read and comment. I am trying to practice my rusty French while playing Priyaā€™s route, thatā€™s why I am still at episode 6. I play Hyun in Spanish but I automatically google translate so any video would probably look really messy. I am also playing in English a borderline route between Nath and Cas, trying to romance them both at the same time as much as I can (so you know what I am going to do with the ons), I am still playing episode 5 with that so I could potentially upload the next episodes if anyone is interested.
Eldarya: I am almost up-to-date with Nevra and Ezrael. I havenā€™t played Valkyon and Leiftanā€™s routes yet, but I am going to start soon. One is going to be in french and the other in english, I havenā€™t decided which one is going to be which yet. If Lance ever shows up as an option you can bet anything you want that I am going to drop everything and play his route. (I mean... who am I kidding, I am not going to drop anything, I am just going to play his route alongside the others, but I am going to do it pronto).
Sweet Elite: So... about SE I had to think about it for a while. My hoarding nature pushes me to play all the routes, but I canā€™t... I am trying to learn self moderation ^^ā€™ I am currently playing Axelā€™s route as a scholar specialising in medicine. I have two other OCs, with one I just started Tadashiā€™s route as an economics scholar. The third one (math) I havenā€™t started anything yet but I am kinda intrigued by Tegan, so I am going to play his route. However, if anyone is interested in any other route can tell me and I will think about it, it takes literally 0 effort in convincing me playing another route. Itā€™s like offering crack to a drug addicted.
When the Night Comes: I like this game, but I donā€™t love it. My first route was August, then I started also playing with Finn. Afterwards, because I am me, I also started Alkarā€™s. I really donā€™t like Omen, and I can barely stand Ezra. I like Piper a lot as a friend. My main problem with the game is that there is literally no difference in the build up to the poly and mono routes, the only reason the hunter ends up in a poly route is because they chose to do it, the characters are basically happy with whatever and just go with the flow, I find this irking. Since I am not very invested in this game I am happy to play any route, even Omen but you will probably hear me make fun of him the whole time (it may be funny maybe?)
Voltage games: I used to play a lot of Voltage games, I had dozens on my tablet. Then I stopped and when I tried to play again I found out that I had lost all of them because the app has changed (I am really pissed about it, I bought soooo many). I want to start playing again, maybe a couple of may favourite old ones and a few new titles that look cool. I have no idea how to record these though.
I am also playing random games I find on Steam (if you have any good one to recommend please do!)
So... the point of this is, if you are interested in any of my gameplays you can tell me either here or DM me (I swear donā€™t bite... usually ;) )Ā 
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orionsangel86 Ā· 6 years ago
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Episode Review - 14x01 - Want, Everything, Sunshine, and Beyonce
Hellatus is over everyone! Put away the crack memes and shit posts and bring out your meta caps because we are back in business! Oh boy are we back in business!Ā 
Right before @tinkdw came over to watch the premier with me, we discussed our expectations and both agreed that whilst our expectations were pretty much in our boots, we would consider the episode a success if it was even remotely meta. We wanted to be able to see clearly constructed themes both as a continuation of what had come previously and as a foundation for a strong season going forward. We were both hoping that at least from a meta perspective, that the episode would leave us happy and thirsting for more.
Dabb did not disappoint us.
It was such a strong episode meta-wise. There is a lot to pick apart that is ripe for discussion and I seriously hope that Dabb will keep a close eye on the other writers to ensure that these themes continue throughout the season. Plot-wise it was a weaker episode, but then again Dabb has always focused on the character emotional arcs more than the actual plot points in recent years, and I am grateful for that. The second half of season 13 felt stagnant to me simply because there was little to no character development and from a meta perspective it was also extremely weak. I went into this hellatus feeling negative about the show simply because I hadnā€™t actually enjoyed an episode properly since 13x12. However, the season 14 opener was most definitely enough to quench my thirst and get me excited for the coming season. Fingers crossed it goes from strength to strength.
Long review under the cut
Michael!Dean - What Do You Want
Straight in after the introductory Nyoooom of Baby (driven by a grim looking Sam and a pretty impressive swap from title music to diegetic music), we are introduced to the angel of the hour.Ā 
8 Things about Michael:
1. I am not sure how I feel about Jensenā€™s performance right now. He is playing Michael extremely straight and whilst I can see how this cold, calm portrayal can come across quite terrifying, itā€™s not a carry over from Christian Keyā€™s performance. I donā€™t want to be too critical, because we only saw him in a few scenes so far, but when I compare it to how Tahmoh portrayed Gadreel alongside Jared, and the way Misha pretty much nailed Mark Pā€™s performance (and greatly improved it), I guess Iā€™m still waiting for Jensen to WOW me in the role.Ā The one thing I will say is that he did terrify me and managed to come across creepy when acting alongside his own WIFE. So he's doing something right I'll give him that. When Jensen wants to have chemistry with someone, he does.
2. I like the fact that Michaelā€™s goal right now seems to be to educate himself on our world. Heā€™s not running around causing terror and mayhem like Lucifer, heā€™s learning how best to go aboutĀ ā€œimprovingā€ the world. He also appears to be inspiring people with his words:Ā ā€œHoly men, leaders, killersā€ and we have seen the effect he had already on Kip the Demon - who was inspired to run for King of Hell until Sam Fucking Winchester ruined that plan. I wonder if we will be seeing the fallout of Michaelā€™s specific type of inspiration throughout the season.
3. ā€œWhat do you want?ā€ Obviously this question is an important one. It was repeated like six times throughout the episode, though never to the main characters. It looks like this is going to be the theme of the season and as far as TFWā€™s personal journeyā€™s go, this is now the question we are asking them and the question being explored. What does Sam want? Or Cas? Or Dean? This has an endgame flavour to it that has me extremely excited.Ā 
4.Michaelā€™s own personal want ofĀ ā€œA better worldā€ is a follow on in a way of many of the villains that have come before him. For seasons now we have been exploring this concept of improving the world for the better. We had it first in season 8 when the brothers had the goal to do the trials to make a world without demons, in season 11 Amaraā€™s vision was to destroy so she could reshape the world to her own blueprints that she saw as better than Chuckā€™s. Dabb era has been even more obvious, first with the goal of the British Men of Letters beingĀ ā€œa world without monstersā€ which was shared by Mary wanting a better world for her boys, and then in season 13 Jackā€™s arrival floated the idea ofĀ ā€œparadise worldā€ to Castiel. I donā€™t think Michael is gonna fair any better than any of these others, and wonder exactly where all these escalated versions ofĀ ā€œa better worldā€ will end up. It's all exploring the notion that nothing is black and white, but in fact a grey area.
5. I already discussed Michael and Sister Jo here. Cas mirrors... Cas mirrors everywhere... I also side eye the "pretty things" line because it reaks of Dean and his whole sublimation thing. In that sense it seems Dabb is making Jo a mirror for both our boys. I'll be keeping a close eye on her from now on.
6. ā€Why would he say yes to you?ā€Ā ā€œLoveā€. OH DEAN. Just, Dean wasnā€™t in this episode but my god did we feel his presence RIGHT HERE. And to think there are people out there that still think this is a macho mans show about macho manly men. Iā€™ve never known another character with more heart than Dean Winchester.Ā This show is about LOVE above all things. I wish people would stop trying to deny that fact.
7. Radioactive Pigeon:
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Look Iā€™m not trying to be critical okay itā€™s very pretty and this is the FIRST time they have attempted showing an angels true form and that is amazeballs and all, but still. He has little pigeon wings and a bent halo. Pfft.
8. The Purity of Vampires. I actually love this. I think it comes across a bit silly on the surface, but the whole idea of monsters being pure is a massive callback to purgatory and season 8 and anything that calls back to season 8 makes me happy.Ā 
Sam Fucking Winchester
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Excuse me while I scream HELL YES. I have been waiting for Sam to take on the leadership role for AGES. Honestly this was always my dream endgame for Sam. To organise and lead the hunting community. Thereā€™s your better world guys. It was something that the writers flirted with in late season 12, but at the time Sam only took on the position with Deanā€™s approval and encouragement to go ahead. Sam has always stepped back and let Dean take the lead throughout the show as the big brother and parental figure. I think this was always a role he was destined to fill and something that has been building in the subtext for a long time (much the same way as the toxic codependency has been shown to hold Sam back.)Ā 
Whatā€™s of interest here is what will happen when Dean comes back and is fighting fit. Will Sam relinquish his leadership position to Dean? Or fight for it? Will this cause conflict?Ā I read thisĀ amazing meta on this which turned into an epic discussion and I highly recommend reading it. My HEART.
Samā€™s state in the episode is one of constant motion. He cannot stop for a second, always being pulled from one thing to another. He doesnā€™t sleep, he doesnā€™t get to change out of his hideous blue and orange shirt (which is officially now my favourite Sam shirt), he doesnā€™t even get to finish his soup. I know Jared said that Sam had aĀ ļæ½ļæ½grief beardā€™ but Tink and I are adamant that the beard is simply due to the fact that Sam doesnā€™t get the time to shave. He has taken so much weight on his shoulders and in amongst that has to deal with horribly traumatic things such as face the face of his abuser and actually be a healer to him.Ā Sam doesn't get a moment to himself and spends all his time concerned about others. It's very noble of him, but he's going through the motions.
Sam is the contrast here to both Cas and Dean, who are physically and mentally stuck in their awful situations. Sam is also stuck in a way, stuck with no time to actually contemplate the situation he has got himself in. Stuck without a moment to breath, or to grieve his brother. Stuck holding the weight of the world on his shoulders as every other single character looks to him for support, help and guidance. Sam is the motherfucking Beyonce of the episode, that is for certain.
He is also calling the shots on hell now...
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... I find it amusing that back in the early days Sam's destiny was to be the boy king of hell, and it's almost like he's fulfilled that destiny, not by being king, but by being gatekeeper and in a position powerful enough to scare the demons into submission. This is probably what Crowley intended. Sam probably owns the moon now.
About NickĀ - Well, first of all, I TOLD YOU SO. I did say that I could tell the guy from the back of his head and I was damn right about that. Learn to trust me guys I am occasionally good at this stuff. Okay, now that that is out of my system, letā€™s talk about this. Round of applause for Jared in this scene. Because he takes Samā€™s hell trauma extremely seriously and made sure that every nuance, every twitch, was picked up by those cameraā€™s. I loved that. Potentially Nick could be a good way to help Sam heal in the coming season, as Sam has finally freed himself from Luciferā€™s grasp. Is it fair that he should have to look after the face that tormented him for years? No. Not at all, but could it prove somewhat cathartic in the end? Maybe.Ā 
At the end of the day, Dabb must have considered Nick to have a purpose beyondĀ ā€œI want to give Bucklemming something to play with so they donā€™t fuck up my actual storyā€ andĀ ā€œWe need to keep stroking Mark Pā€™s ego for some stupid reasonā€. Because otherwise I am really worried about how limited his power must be, and refuse to entertain the thought that he was overthrown by Singer and his horrid wife. I can see the potential in Nick being a dark mirror for Dean following his freedom from Michaelā€™s possession. How Nick deals with the post possession trauma could be an indicator to how Dean is really coping even when he buries it.
At the same time, both Sam and Cas have been possessed by Lucifer, and therefore have all the experience between them to help Deanā€™s recovery without needing Nick to get involved. So I dunno guys. Iā€™m trying to see the positive in something I otherwise despise.Ā 
Anyway I thought Jared was fucking superb in that scene and pretty much the whole episode and want to give him a round of applause because it is rare that he truly gets to shine on his own without Jensen by his side.
Now all we need is for Sam to get some sleep. How he is still functioning by the episodes end I will never understand.
Castiel Everything Winchester
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Look at him. So defiant and done. You can almost imagine that fire behind him burning in his eyes as well. Heā€™s such a dom.
Several things about Cas in 14x01:
1. He is 100% done with every demon on the planet and doesnā€™t give a fuck. Honestly though. The way he saysĀ ā€œOh Godā€ when Kip walks in. The way he rolls his eyes. I wonder if he had Deanā€™s voice in his head sayingĀ ā€œYou know who wears sunglasses indoors Cas? Douchebags.ā€Ā 
2.Ā He is making desperate choices in order to save Dean, which is certainly typical for him. The fact that he spends the entire episode stuck in a chair is a fantastic metaphor for his whole feelings on the situation, a metaphor then reinforced through a mirror at the end when he speaks with Jack (we never get anything explicit with Cas do we?). The fact that Cas canā€™t save Dean right now is weighing on him, but he is determined to do whatever it takes. The conversation he has with Sam at the end is a brilliantly short but important moment:
ā€œI should never have gone to those demonsā€
ā€œCas no I donā€™t blame you. honestly I wish I had thought of it first. If it meant finding Dean Iā€™d work with.. Iā€™d do anything.ā€
The takeaway here is that actions speak louder than words. Sam HAS been distracted being leader of the hunters and having to face his own nightmares thanks to Nick, but Cas has literally been doing anything he can with a soul focus on saving Dean.Ā 
It's an intimate moment between them. In a bunker now bustling with life and movement this is the only time in the episode that it really seems still. The library has always been Sam's private space, where he feels most at home - like the kitchen is for Dean. But here he and Cas sit as equals together weighed down by their shared grief. It's the soft moments like this that I love the most about this show. They are both willing to do anything they can, but the difference is that whilst Sam is being pulled in lots of different directions, Casā€™s sole focus is Dean. Note that heaven wasnā€™t mentioned once. It hasnā€™t even crossed his mind.
3. Everyone Knows, but Cas doesnā€™t give a shit.Ā 
ā€œHow is it you lost Dean, I thought you guys were joined at the... well you know, everything.ā€
It is an extremely explicit nod to Destiel. It is also the first time a line like this has made it into an episode since season 7 I think. The difference now being that weā€™ve had years of steady subtext and narrative building on the love story, hence the line has a different weight to those previously. It was very carefully written, careful not to imply that Cas was joined to BOTH Winchesters as the line was specifically about Dean. It was written by the showrunner, who would have known the significance of such a line, it encourages the view that all of heaven and hell have made their own assumptions about Dean and Casā€™s relationship, and in case anyone wants to argue that the missing word was ā€œhipā€ like the saying goes, the gesture and nod by Kip goes to prove otherwise. In other words, there is no platonic interpretation. Which is delightful.
Casā€™s completely stoic silence is even more delightful. God I love him.
4. He canā€™t see demons true faces anymore. Like everyone else, Cas not realising those people were demons really threw me for a moment. Tink and I both agreed that the scene should have had Kip snap his fingers and have the demons smoke in and possess all those people instead - still catching Cas off guard but not making it seem like he is just super unobservant. I personally feel like this was just an error Dabb made. I have no desire to try to meta explain that one and I accept it as the error it is. I do like that it took an entire room of demons and 4 sets of enochian hand cuffs to overpower him though...The fact that he had to sit there and watch his family be beaten and almost killed around him whilst he was helpless again, is an excellent parallel to Deanā€™s current situation and what he will most likely have to face in the coming episodes, and also a reflection of Casā€™s mental state (as mentioned above), Coming out of this episode it seems like this will be another season where Cas and Dean mirror each other and walk similar paths in terms of growth and development - if only those paths would meet with a kiss!
5. Heā€™s the bait.Ā Tink found this line hilarious straight away, where as I had to blink and ask why because I obviously took offence. But once we started discussing it and realised the quadruple entendre it is I found myself applauding Dabb on his genius. Cas IS used as bait, by the SPN PR people. Because heā€™s Mister Popularity. Heā€™s also the character who causes the most conflict in fandom, with those who love him so much they are bitter and mean and those who simply hate him often complaining about the exact same things but in different ways - leaving the regular fans stuck in the middle (Tink explained this to me with delight - how both antiā€™s and bitter!cas girls alike will latch onto that line for completely different reasons). Heā€™s also potentially a queerbait depending on how you look at it. But anyway. Casā€™s epic eye rolls in this episode were almost enough to rival Samā€™s bitchfaces. I am impressed.
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6. He takes no pleasure for himself. I am forever going to obsess over Casā€™s relationship with human food and drink:
ā€œCoffee has no effect on me.ā€
ā€œMe either, not anymore. But its like with saltwater taffee or infants, you know I just like the tasteā€
Although we can argue his refusal is out of stubbornness to not give the demon the satisfaction, even when accepting drinks from the Winchesters he doesnā€™t usually bother, or will stick with water. Even if he is seen ordering coffee it is usually only to avoid looking suspicious in diners. We know Cas enjoys some food and drink, but Cas rarely allows himself the pleasure. Even in 13x14 when Dean offered him a beer, it remained unopened. A symbolic metaphor for Cas refraining from indulging in other pleasures? This is why I am so so desperate for Michael to ask Cas what it is HE wants. Lucifer stated that Cas was aĀ ā€œpleasureless dullardā€ and I want to see this theme continue. Cas uses his grace as an excuse not to indulge and I consider this linked to meta about theĀ ā€œsacred oathā€ of heaven and Cas being duty bound and numbed by his grace. But these are all elements for a bigger meta at another time and the moment in this episode is just another snippet of that.
7. He looks awesome framed in fire. I just really liked the set up of Motown Meats as the new hang out for hell, with its fire pit and orange glowy bar. There is a lot of general symbolism there but I enjoyed the flames framed behind Cas in every shot he was in. Because even though he was mostly stuck in this episode, that fire raging inside him didnā€™t burn out once. He WILL save Dean. Just as he promised to Jack at the end, even if he getā€™s battered, beaten and bruised, his determined stubborness to save his husband will win eventually. Cas is no longer the broken thing of seasons 11/12. He well and truly rose like a phoenix in season 13 and now itā€™s showing through, as itā€™s a mission fueled by his own passion and love.
Jack Winchester (AKA my nougat son)
Poor Jack, like his father he hasn't had it easy in 14x01. He is struggling with his humanity now, his usefulness, in such a clear mirror to Cas that it kinda hits you in the face. He is desperately seeking guidance from those around him. First in the form of AU Bobby who has clearly bonded with Jack following their experiences together in apocalypse world.
It is great to finally see the Bunker gym! A room we all have ingrained in our fandom hive mind thanks to a 100 destiel fanfics. We all know what's gone on in there. >.>
Throughout the episode, Jack seeks out guidance first with Bobby, which goes badly, then with Sam, which is interrupted, and finally with Cas, which is when he finally gets told what he needs to hear. I am really happy that whilst Jack has so many father figures now, it is Cas who truly holds that torch and is able at least somewhat give Jack what he needs near the episodes end. If only he had damn well given his son a hug!
I loved the conversation so much that I transcripted it here:
JACK: Iā€™m fine.
CAS: You did well
JACK: All I did was get punched. In the face
CAS: To be fair we all got punched in the face
JACK: Thatā€™s not - Before when I had my powers I could have done something
CAS: Jack you donā€™t have your powers, and your grace should regenerate in time, but until then..
JACK: Iā€™m useless. I cant kill demons I cant find Dean and Michael is in our world and I cant stop him.
I canā€™t do anything. I donā€™t have anything.
CAS: Oh Jack. Thatā€™s just not true. Youā€™ve got me. You have all of us. You have your family.
And we are going to find dean and we are going to beat Michael and we are going to do it together. Because thatā€™s what we do.
This whole conversation was PERFECT. Every line chosen so specifically and weighted with meaning. Urgh Dabb I fucking love you for this.
Jack starts withĀ ā€œIā€™m fineā€ which Cas knows by now means you are not fine but he has also learned to recognise that sometimes it doesnā€™t meanĀ ā€œleave me aloneā€ as Jack was crying out for guidance and support here.Ā 
The mirroredĀ ā€œgot punched in the faceā€ calls to attention the fact that Jack is a reflection of Cas himself here and everything he has felt both now and in the past.
Jackā€™s complaint about being useless without his powers is a fear Cas has carried with him since his fall in season 9. Itā€™s something that still weighs on him and whilst Cas now knows his place by the Winchesterā€™s side, knows that they are a family and that he is not just a hammer, I think that fear of losing his power and being cast out is still well and truly weighing him down. It will be cathartic for Cas to see the family accept Jack as one of their own even if he isĀ ā€œuselessā€ and human.Ā 
Casā€™sĀ ā€œThatā€™s just not trueā€ when Jack says he is useless - his voice breaks and you KNOW Cas has had those exact same thoughts.
ā€œyouā€™ve got me, youā€™ve got all of us. You have your familyā€ compared to Youā€™re my family, I love you, I love all of youā€ compared to ā€œWe're family. We need you. I need you.ā€ The difference is there is no ambiguity in the word ME. Dabb turned it around, but had Cas clear it up. Itā€™s the same line every time. The only difference is the placement of each individual statement. If this isnā€™t yet another clear example that theĀ ā€œI love youā€ was specifically directed at Dean I donā€™t know what is. THIS IS A CONTINUING PATTERN PEOPLE.
The determined promise to save Dean at the end, right after he specifies the singular and plural because obviously Dean was on Casā€™s mind at that point - Mister I Donā€™t Get Words Wrong over here knows exactly what he means.
I love this whole conversation, but as I said above, it drums home the fact that whilst the Winchesters and others may be sources of guidance and support for Jack, he only has one true father, and I think Dabb wanted to make that clear in this episode. Remember:
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Fingers crossed for more father/son bonding between these two in future episodes.
Mary and Bobby
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Baring in mind I was expecting 1 small Destiel moment in the episode in the form of a line from a demon. You have NO IDEA how happy this moment between Mary and Bobby made me. If anyone saw that inktober pic I drew for premier day of me and Tink gasping in shock at the screen, it was for THIS moment. My face lit up in delight.
I said at the start of this long review that Dabb picked his moments well. With every second counting from a meta perspective. This was one of those.
Tell me, anyone, when watching that moment, would you deny that there was something between Bobby and Mary? As homework I'd like you all to play this scene to your heteronormative friends and family, or even be brave and ask a bibro. Would ANYONE deny that it was intended to be romantic?! I highly doubt it.
And yet there was nothing textually explicitly romantic about it. There was NOTHING in this scene that hasnā€™t been filmed a thousand times between Dean and Cas. The fact that Dabb chose to write this extremely small seemingly unimportant moment, in the kitchen, and for Bobby to use THOSE EXACT WORDS. As I have mentioned several times already, Dabb doesnā€™t fuck around when using well known moments from past canon in order to reinforce the importance of a thing. Dabb LOVES parallels. He wrote Bloodlines after all. He also knows the fandom hive mind and the things we pick up on and latch on to. This was a very smart calculated decision to include this in the episode and I am LIVING that he did it. GIVE ME ALL THE BOBBY x MARY/ DESTIEL PARALLELS.Ā 
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I actually really liked Mary in this episode. There is so much discourse in fandom about her and whilst I find Sam Smith pretty cold and wooden, I have never understood the utter hatred of Mary as a character. Hence why I praise Dabbā€™s genius at this moment:
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Because this line literally sums up her entire arc since her return. Tink and I paused the episode and basically flailed at each other because this is EXACTLY what Mary has been trying to do. She was in HEAVEN, with her BABIES and suddenly she is back on earth with two grown men who are strangers to her, telling her they are hunters and have suffered a life of HORRORS without her. So she ran. Hell, I would have ran too. She shoved herself into hunting because all she could think about was trying to make things GOOD for her boys. Trying to FIX her mistakes the only way she knew how: by HUNTING. She was drowning in the bad. So she found focus in trying to make things good. Like in this episode, she reassures Sam so much that he snaps at her. He doesnā€™t want to be reassured, and thatā€™s fine. But my god this felt like the first time Mary has truly had a voice. I really werenā€™t kidding when I said that Dabb made sure every word counted.
OTHER THINGS
I am unsure how I feel about the title card:
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Tink called it. I think it looks a bit odd, a bit too clean. I like the title cards to be grim and dark. Black angel wings though! And hey, at least the fiery halos in the title cards are perfectly spherical... so we know they CAN do it right...
*side eyes SFX team*
Kip as a wannabe Crowley was kinda fun for a one off episode but I am glad that they are stressing now that wannabe Crowleyā€™s get killed. The last one we had was Bart in 13x08 who was very much the same flirtatious queer coded demon. Iā€™m fed up with the villainous queer coding by now. Itā€™s been done too often. Give me another Demon like Alastair or Ramiel or none at all.
ā€œAsmodeus Kentucky Friedā€ DID ANYONE LIKE ASMODEUS OTHER THAN BUCKLEMMING? This made me LOL.
The fight scene at the end was really weird and overly long. I dunno why they decided on so many random slow mo and wooosh shots. the whole Mary slow mo throwing the blade at Sam was cringy. I wish theyā€™d stop being experimental and stick with what they know! You think theyā€™d learn after 13x23!
Maggie was a bit annoying. Why bring her along if she canā€™t fight? Also the random cuts to her reaction after Jack was angsty had me reeling. simply because in het couples thatā€™s a brewing romance and that is a massive NOPE from me. I like her as an individual character, I DO NOT like her as a love interest to a 1 year old, and I certainly wouldnā€™t like some pining story for her where she falls for an unavailable guy. Itā€™s not fair on her character. The one thing I did like was theĀ ā€œpointy endā€ comment. It reminded me of Charlie for some reason.
The throw away line about Ketch being in London looking for the golden egg Lucifer/president extractor. Nice closing of a plot hole there Dabb.
I liked the Jesus weapon expert hunter dude. He seemed quirky. Dead manā€™s blood bullets are an excellent idea.Ā 
DETROIT. Why does everything always happen in Detroit? I swear one day they are gonna reveal that Detroit is like a central universal power hub where the walls between the dimensions are thinnest or something. I could go on about this but I am sure a better meta writer elsewhere already has and this is waaay too long so Iā€™m leaving this here.
If you got this far. Kudos and thank you for sticking around to read my thoughts. Feel free to ask me anything about any of the above. If I could hand out cookies through the internet I totally would right now.
Basically I enjoyed the episode. I have since re-watched it a dozen times and it is really the meta of it all that makes me love it. The story IS weak, and there ARE moments that are a bit odd, or infuriating depending on the way you look at it, but the heart of the episode was classic Dabb. All character driven and full of meaning. I am extremely well fed after this meta feast, perhaps even enough to get me through the horror show that will be Bucklemmingā€™s 14x02.Ā 
So long as Cas continues to look like a sexy beast Iā€™m sure Iā€™ll get through it.
Iā€™ll just leave this here:
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God heā€™s such a dom. :P
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justanearth-boundmisfit Ā· 6 years ago
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I'd get torn apart for it if I said it in namespace but to be frank, as a CASTIEL FAN first and foremost, I despise how much of his importance has been tied to a ship in the fandom, because it allows the writers to throw out pairing crumbs occasionally and then do NOTHING with him most of the time, cause fans are happy with those crumbs. if they would stop going nuts over any tiny little (not even real) pairing moment, Cas might have gotten a decent storyline. but alas.
Hi anon! Another message that Iā€™m replying late, sorry for that, I took a day out of SM. I agree with everything you say. And I understand the fear of getting torn apart by the positivity police force. I talked about the crumbs in the previous message, yes itā€™s just like you say, sadly Cas for a great part of this fandom is only useful as part of destiel. And this is coming from a vintage destiel shipper. I loved what they used to be, I hate what the ship (and tptb and the metas) has done to Cas.Ā 
It was so hurtful that I had to stop watching, the ā€œdo it for himā€ doesnā€™t work for me anymore. Iā€™m not watching one of my life favourite characters being torn apart, while the majority of the fandom accepts it or just claps because that means ā€œdestielā€. Fuck them all, sorry not sorry. Iā€™m not watching how they torture and diminish a beautiful character like Cas because he could/maybe have 3 minutes of interaction with Dean.Ā 
Also Iā€™m not putting myself through the absolute trigger that is watching abusive white males like Lucy/Nick (also pellegrino is a gross fucker sorry not sorry), Ketch and now John having redemption story arcs over and over again. When we could be having a heaven storyline with Cas and sister Jo, for example. But like you say, Cas importance is tied to a ship, a ship that tptb are trying to kill (very successfully I have to add), but also they keep throwing crumbs to the shippers, because they need the numbers. A ship that has become a shadow of what it used to be, and in the process killed metaphorically and literally one of the most amazing characters in the history of television. I would never forgive or forget spn for that, but also I would never forgive and forget hardcore shippers for that either.
Thatā€™s also one of the main reasons why destiel is becoming a sore point for me too. Because I see what Cas have been reduced to because of it, and I rage like no tomorrow. And thatā€™s why I had to stop watching too. Iā€™m not going to get tired of repeating it: a show/movie should bring you joy, not only pain, not only hurt. And itā€™s totally hurtful to see Cas kicked by the show and taken as a ship token by the fandom. I love Cas much more than that.Ā 
Take care anon.
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silverfacedherald Ā· 6 years ago
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Happy tenth anniversary to my favourite character in existence. In celebration, hereā€™s a (relatively) short description/explanation of why Castiel is my all-time favourite.
(Iā€™ve been meaning to make this post for over a month now, and I think the timing is more than appropriate now)
Castiel was born made to guard and serve. He is older than time itself.
His family is was because oh wait, thereā€™s barely any left huge, practically all-powerful, and it is messed up. Yet they are his family. The majority of them blindly follow orders, meanwhile he has always thought deeper and felt more for humankind and earth. Secretly one of his sisters was employed in making him forget the intensity of his emotions and compassion, erasing memories and re-setting him in order to turn him into a Good Soldier. But just because thereā€™s bad in his family, doesnā€™t mean there isnā€™t also good. Thereā€™s Balthazar and Gabriel, Anna and Hannah, Uriel before he turned. We can see that Castiel had ties, good relationships within his family.
And he was practically a general. A leader. A creator of sigils and runes. He was intrusted with top-secret missions, he spearheaded the saving of the Righteous Man, Michaelā€™s Sword. He went into the depths of Hell and flew out yelling to the universe ā€œDean Winchester is savedā€. He knit back together an intricate human body which had been ruined by hellhounds and time. He than become the guardian and advisor of both the Righteous Man and his brother (unknowingly to him at the time, Luciferā€™s vessel). He re-learned about humanity. He gained friends. He realised that perhaps he could make choices, he could have the Free Will to not be a ā€œhammerā€. He found a family in mortals who stood for what was right, who stood for life and freedom.
Castiel had - and still has - a hard time finding truth and balance within life. Before he thought he was broken when he questioned orders from On High, conflicted with wanting to do Right and be Good. Then he realised nothing was as it seemed. He learned (relearned?) he could love, should love. Castiel, angel of the Lord, learned that while emotions are strange and dangerous, they are life-saving and life-giving. He learned the hard way: what it is to have Choice and Free Will.
Castiel is learning and growing. Heā€™s alive and Good. He definitely hasnā€™t always made the right decisions, heā€™s made drastic mistakes. He is Good, but heā€™s also worked with Bad/evil creatures, he was forced into Bad from the outside (spells, mind control) and twisted into Bad from the inside (Leviathans). Heā€™s made choices that have led to horrific consequences, but honestly what other options did he have? Who would have done differently (definitely not the Winchesters)?Ā  At that point, he was still learning about trust, the fact that asking for help is okay, that he does have support.
Castiel made it through so much and heā€™s still here. Heā€™s doing his best and heā€™s growing and heā€™s figuring out how to fix his mistakes. Heā€™s mending and building relationships.
He cares for the daughter of his vessel, the man who sacrificed himself for his family and the world, who believed in Castiel. Castiel has a family in the Winchesters, though tough times come and miscommunication happens too frequently. He fought against the Empty, a being with unknowable power, who knew what and who Castiel hates, fears, and loves; and he WON. He was awoken by HIS SON, Jack, who called out to Castiel when realising how important he was to Dean the Winchesters. From there, Castiel brought himself back to life in the name of unfinished business, family, and love.
Castiel has a family. A true family, a good family, an imperfect family, but theyā€™re becoming better.
Castiel has been hurt and heā€™s hurt others, but heā€™s starting to truly care for himself. He wants to live. Heā€™s learned to no longer view himself as a Weapon or Hammer (for God, the Cause, the angels, the Winchesters).
Castiel is not perfect, heā€™s not completely okay, he doesnā€™t yet fully love or value himself as he should, heā€™s still terrified of a lot of things, but heā€™s getting there. He will get there.
I hope he gets to teach Jack everything he knows. I hope he can either find a way to help the angels or learn to accept their small numbers and walk away from their problems and join his new and chosen family. I hope he finds love in multiple ways.Ā  I hope he continues the never-ending hunt for evil and the ever-lasting search for goodness.Ā  I hope that heā€™s happy.
These are the main reasons why Castiel is my favourite character.
Congrats on ten years and may there be many more!
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potterswinchesters Ā· 7 years ago
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(The destiel ask thing) 6,9,48,49
6. What is/are your NOTP(s)?
Ahaha okay, I am prepared to lose followers for this! Letā€™s do this.
My number one NOTP is Megstiel. If you like it, good for you, but I just cannot see why. As you probably know by now, I am the type of person that needs lots of angst and buildup in order to ship something.
One of my main reasons for not shipping Megstiel, before I discuss the problematic aspect of their ā€œrelationshipā€, was that they were written like a typical, forced heterosexual pairing. I honestly felt like the kiss between Cas and Meg was a way to no-homo Cas (even though he doesnā€™t even have a gender). Before this point, he had never even remotely shown an interest in any woman. At this point in the show, people were already hardcore shipping Destiel, so the kiss felt so forced. There were about six seconds of buildup between the two that mostly included Meg calling Cas ā€œClarenceā€ and making gross references to sex that Cas didnā€™t understand.
Second, in order to ship something I also need to genuinely like both characters and believe that theyā€™d be good for each other. Iā€™ve already mentioned that I absolutely despise Meg, and I have very important reasons for it. Iā€™ve said it before and Iā€™ll say it again: Meg forced herself on both Sam and Dean at different instances, she was the reason for the deaths of Ellen and Jo, and she tortured many people including her first vessel (and her second, though no one even gave a shit about the second vessel). She didnā€™t even have a real redemption arcā€”and yes, I know it was because Rachel had to leave the show for health reasons, but it could have been done much better. Meg didnā€™t actually do anything good and there were always other motives, particularly when it came to watching over Cas in the mental hospital. Castiel, on the other hand, is my absolute favourite character, and I am highly protective of him, so I cannot see him get taken advantage of by some demon when he deserves so much better.
Third, the ā€œrelationshipā€ and the whole idea behind it is highly problematic. Meg textually stated that she needed Casā€™s protection multiple times, which was why she even stayed to ā€œtake care of himā€ when he was in the mental hospital. She was clearly using him, and he was in a vulnerable state. He had never had any kind of experience when she kissed him, so he was experimenting in a wayā€¦ It just didnā€™t work.
Anyway, one day Iā€™m going to make a huge meta post about Megstiel and why I donā€™t ship it at all.
Other NOTPs include Wincest (I am so grossed out when people turn beautiful relationships between siblings into something incestuous, as though the only love that exists is romantic love), Samifer (abusive), and Cas x anyone (besides Dean, of course, due to my intense secondhand jealousy).
9. What was your favourite Destiel moment?
Well shit. I donā€™t know how to answer this because there were so many momentsā€¦ You know what? Iā€™ll name a few.
ā€œI need youā€ and the broken connection
Purgatory and Dean praying to Cas every night
Cas as Deanā€™s Collette
ā€œI love you. I love all of you.ā€ (It was so blatant that Cas was talking to Dean first, and then to Sam and Mary when he said this.)
The fucking mixtape
Dean kneeling beside Casā€™s body when he died at the end of 12x23 (or, just, all of 12x23) and then praying to God to bring him back in 13x01
48. What is a confession you have regarding the show?
Hmmā€¦ Ever since I watched the first episode of SPN, I am so much more critical of the other shows I watch. In fact, most of them now suck in my eyes no matter how much I loved them before I watched Supernatural. SPN is not perfect at allā€”there are a lot of problematic aspects such as representation and killing of female characters for manpainā€”but the thing that itā€™s best at, in my opinion, is the relationships between the characters. There is so much chemistry between the actors on the show that when I watch other shows, all I can think about is how their friendships and relationships between family membersĀ donā€™t work. Not the way SPNā€™s do.
I have also completely lost the desire to start any new shows, so thereā€™s that.
49. If you could tell your favourite characters one thing, what would it be?
I would tell Sam: ā€œSam, thank you for always keeping the faith and for fighting no matter how hard things get. You are so strong because of the way you have handled everything youā€™ve been through. I admire the hell out of you.ā€
I would tell Dean: ā€œDean fucking Winchester, I am going to need you to stop what you are doing. Stop holding back from liking Taylor Swift music, LARPing, and both Daphne and Fred; stop thinking that thereā€™s anything you need to change about who you really are; stop hating yourself. You deserve to be happy. You deserve your happy ending.ā€
I would tell Castiel: ā€œYou donā€™t hear this enough, but youā€™ve done so much good in the world, for your loved ones and for humanity as a whole. You are important. You are good enough just the way you are. You are loved.ā€
I would tell Charlie: ā€œYOU ARE MY QUEEN. I WANT TO FANGIRL OVER THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS WITH YOU. ALSO PLEASE INFORM DEAN THAT HE IS BISEXUAL.ā€
Well damn. This was long. For my next ones, Iā€™ll probably write a lot less. ĀÆ\_(惄)_/ĀÆ
Send me an ask from my Supernatural Ask Game (Destiel Edition).
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impalaofgrace-blog Ā· 7 years ago
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Why do you hate Jack so much?? Like what has he ever done but make s13 interesting unlike the past couple season šŸ˜—ā˜•ļø
Sighā€¦ Do I really want to go into thisā€¦ or do I just reply with ā€œI donā€™t like Jack because I watched season 12 (and 4. and 5)ā€ and give 0 fucksā€¦ Alright, Iā€™m going to answer this as politely and constructively as I can and Iā€™m only going to talk about this once, so read carefully. Some unpopular opinions under the cut, donā€™t go there if you donā€™t like rants or donā€™t want to get your Jack-loving feelings hurt.
Itā€™s not that I donā€™t like the dude because heā€™s a ā€œbad guyā€ or a ā€œvillainā€ or whatever - surprisingly, because everyone thinks this is the main reason. Iā€™ll let you know I actually love villains. I donā€™t like Jack in general, I donā€™t like his lack of personality, I donā€™t like the way the writers built him as a character - he literally gets on my nerves just by saying ā€œCastiel-styleā€ lines, I cringe every time. He acts and talks like very discount Castiel (I said ā€œveryā€ because thereā€™s so much more to Castielā€™s character than, you know, a cute, adorably clueless nerd that takes most things literally), he looks like a cheap 90s Leo DiCaprio rip-off lol, thereā€™s literally nothing about him thatā€™s original or new/fresh. To me heā€™s just a poor imitation. Itā€™s like the writers were like ā€œCas isnā€™t going to be in the first few episodes of season 13 so hey, how about we replace him with a mini-Cas, but like a demo version, minus the badassness and plus the crybabyness (crybabyness is a word, leave me alone)? This way, we wonā€™t have to waste time creating an entirely new, unique character that could actually be interesting and also, everyone in this fandom loves helpless manbabies so theyā€™re gonna love it!ā€ ā€¦And forget everything that happened in s12.
Now letā€™s get into the second reason, regarding season 12 itself - the inconsistency. Jack clearly brainwashed both his mother and Castiel. I already talked about it but Iā€™m going to repeat for the sake of this post. The manipulation was so clear and obvious, I canā€™t comprehend how no one is questioning this anymore. The change in Cas and Kellyā€™s behavior was so sudden, they both unexpectedly started to act like theyā€™d lost their minds! Did you see the look on Castielā€™s face when he said he ā€œsaw paradiseā€? The fuck was that? Because it sure as hell wasnā€™t a genuine Casā€™ smile, last time he smiled like that was when he thought he was God. Also, Dean himself said he ā€œdidnā€™t recognize the guy staring back at himā€ and if anyone in the show knows Cas better than anyone else, itā€™s Dean - and Iā€™m not saying this as a shipper, itā€™s a fact that Dean and Castielā€™s relationship is something special, different and ā€œprofoundā€ so if Dean says somethingā€™s off - somethingā€™s clearly off. Not to mention the change in Castielā€™s behavior is extremely out of character, since heā€™s literally rebelled against the idea of paradise on Earth. Heā€™s fallen because he didnā€™t want paradise. Seriously, does no one remember season 4 anymore? It wasnā€™t paradise that Castiel fought for, it was freedom. Then, the reason Castiel wanted to get out of The Empty was Sam and Dean, he didnā€™t even think about Jack, not until Sam mentioned him, even though last season he got away from the bros because Luciferā€™s kid needed him. Now he suddenly feels responsible for him again. Itā€™s soā€¦ confusing??? Consistency who?
One of the grossest things about Jack is the fact that he brought Kelly back to life when she tried to kill herself because he needed her alive to be born. However, he didnā€™t try to bring her back when he Ā was being born. He only kept her alive because she was useful and then just let her die. He treated her like ā€œa containerā€, as Lucifer himself said. I canā€™t even stress how disgusting this is. I feel fucking sick whenever he talks about his mother, making this sad poop face. The mother he brainwashed, used and left to fucking die. ā€œHe didnā€™t know how to do itā€ - oh? So his ability to control his powers suddenly regressed or what? Speaking of - in the last episode we find out that apparently Jack hardly remembers anything Ā from when he was in the womb - and yet, when he was still in the womb, somehow he was developed enough to: manipulate Cas and Kelly, convince Cas to protect him by showing him a vision of paradise, bring Kelly back to life, understand that Dagon was evil and know what to do in order to kill her. He knew and understood all of these things, but now somehow he barely knows how to move a fucking pencil? AND turns out he actually can fly but kept it a secret? Thatā€™s sketchy as hell, isnā€™t that even remotely alarming to you? Thereā€™s something incredibly unsettling and deceitful about Jack and it creeps me the fuck out.
I hate the way the fandom keeps infantilizing him, too. Jesus Christ, Iā€™m so fed up with people calling him a ā€œprecious cinnamon roll too pure for this world uwuwuwuwu" etc. ughhhhā€¦ Where do I sign a petition for people to never use this expression to describe a character ever againā€¦ Notice how the reason people love Jack so much isnā€™t that heā€™s a complex, unique character. They love him becauseā€¦ sometimesā€¦ he talks like Casā€¦ Tell me one trait that Jack has that isnā€™t copied from Cas and isnā€™t ā€œcomplaining about being a monster all the fucking timeā€. Listen, I didnā€™t even have a strong opinion on Jack at first. I started watching season 13 with a ā€œmehā€/neutral attitude. Wasnā€™t excited about him, didnā€™t really hate him either. But now I see that theyā€™re really going with this gross Daddy!Cas thing and Iā€™m just not gonna buy this bullshit. I canā€™t stand seeing my favourite character on the show being destroyed like that.
I hate the way the fandom gave Dean shit for distrusting Jack. Iā€™ve never seen more Dean hate in my life and itā€™s all because of some whiny dude whoā€™s only been in the show for a few episodes. Gross. Dean had every right to hate the dude. The third paragraph explaines why.
ā€œJackā€™s just a kidā€ - no, the point is, heā€™s fucking not. He said himself that he literally ā€œcouldnā€™t be a baby or a childā€. Jack is a fully grown person with a fully-developed brain and is fully capable of analizing and comprehending his actions so justifying the things heā€™s done with ā€œheā€™s just a kidā€ is justā€¦ dumb. Ā I hate how everyone justifies the fact that he killed an innocent person just because heā€™s not capable of controlling his powers yet, likeā€¦ If youā€™re not sure you can control your powers, donā€™t fucking use them? Itā€™s as simple as that. [more on this subject: here] His brain is nothing like a kidā€™s brain, so donā€™t try to sell me this ā€œheā€™s just a month oldā€ bullshit.
Did he ā€œmake s13 interesting unlike the past couple seasonā€ā€¦? Um, I think the fuck not? He didnā€™t bring anything new to the show and Iā€™ve already explained why I think so. I mean, itā€™s kind of a relative thing to say, donā€™t you think? He probably did for the people who like him. For me - meh, I didnā€™t give a shit when I first saw 13x01, maybe was a little bit intrigued even, because I thought heā€™d give off a more dangerous/villainous vibe. But then all he really did was whine about how supposedly bad he is??? Ā Personally, I find his constant pity parties tiring and boring as fuck, but to each their own I guess.
On a side note, though, I donā€™t even think season 12 was bad. Not my favourite, but definitely not the worst. I know a lot of people didnā€™t enjoy it, but Iā€™d say itā€™s actually in my top 6. I mean, Iā€™m not a fan of the MoL plotline but overall, it had some good episodes. Will season 13 be better? Weā€™ll see. If it will, it wonā€™t be because of Jack - at least to me. I hope youā€™re satisfied with this response, I know itā€™s a bit messy but I did my best. Have a nice day.
so anyway, fuck Jackā€™s hypocritical overrated ass lmao
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super-sootica Ā· 8 years ago
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Hi you, something I don't get in your post don't most people argue if Jack has influence Cas, not if he evil? The minority believes Jack will be an evil figure in the end, but argue that rn hes doing wrong by effecting Cas and just like the parallels to Amara, (Connor ? dont watch this) these storyline usually /start/ with these characters doing something like controlling ppl so going by usual tropes thats how this story usually goes. How could Jack bring Cas closer to S/D rn he seperates them
Hi Nonny,
Thanks for the ask.Ā  Iā€™m going to surmise your points/questions as a prompt to myself because this ask hit a whole bunch of inter-sectional discussions
Jack influencing Cas does not make him evil, but he is doing wrong right now
Very true re. influencing Cas in what could be viewed as a negative way does not make him evil.Ā  It would of course make him a being that wants to survive, which does not make them bad.
And hereā€™s where we get into the intersectional debates and opinions.Ā  I donā€™t believe Jack has brainwashed Castiel.Ā  Influenced?Ā  Maybe?Ā  Sam telling Cas ā€˜you canā€™t do thisā€™ is also influencing him no?Ā  But not quite brainwashing and also super ineffective.Ā  Below are some of the reasons why I donā€™t think Cas is brainwashed but it is not the single pillar that my points or opinions rest on.
All roads lead to Rome here and I accept people who believe heā€™s brainwashed have a point, they have an argument.Ā  But it does not ring true to me:
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Arguments against it being his choice
1. Ā Dean would not accept that this was his Castiel.
Dean has repeatedly rejected the possibly of Castielā€™s agency wherein it is a move from him (Dean). Ā See ā€˜Superman gone darksideā€™ and creating a literal false memory about purgatory, to reject Castielā€™s decision. Ā To reject any reality wherein Cas would choose not to be with him.
He is not a reliable source.Ā  Thatā€™s actually a running joke within the fandom, one of my favourite fanarts is punk Casifer flipping Dean off and Dean waving all ā€˜ohh Cas is going through his punk phaseā€™.Ā  For more on Dean is an unreliable source with people he loves please see @amwritingmeta itā€™s not that he canā€™t see things when the are wrong.Ā  Itā€™s just a rejection of reality.Ā Ā  He is sooo stressed.Ā  Boy needs to go to a spa
2. Ā Castielā€™s utopia speech to Kelly.
Castiel hesitated during that speech and told a bunch of cliches. Ā He thought of what a human might want, no hunger, no pain, no fear. Ā He told her it would all go away. Ā He was comforting a dying woman. Ā Not telling us what he saw. Ā This is not a suggestion of blind faith.
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3. Ā ā€˜Castiel would never boop the Winchestersā€™. Ā Yes he would. Ā Castiel has repeatedly worked on his own and created distance between himself and the Winchesters when he thought it was needed. Ā He didnā€™t harm them. Ā He merely tried to get away.
4. Ā The grace colour issue. Ā This could be due to lighting (we have seen this before) or residual grace. Ā It does not mean that Cas isnā€™t driving.
Please also see @tinkdwā€˜s post on Castielā€™s agency here
Moreover the reason why I brought Connor, Dawn and Chris into this is because there were also ā€˜this kid is brainwashing our main castā€™ arguments in the fandom and meta of itā€™s time.Ā  Some characters also believed it at first.Ā  All of which were proven to be incorrect.Ā  Setting up the newbie as more powerful or with more motive than actually exists is a trope.
I believe Castiel has his full agency, I believe he did a complete 180 based on what he saw or felt and I donā€™t believe that it was paradise.Ā  He would be far from the first character to make this kind of swing in the face of new evidence or emotion
Back to your pointĀ 
And uh under the cut because this will go on and people have dashes to worry about
Letā€™s say Jack is influencing Castiel beyond a simple ā€˜Hey Cas, borrow my power, hey Cas.Ā  Please donā€™t kill meā€™.
Then the question becomes whether or not that influence is positive or negative.
Positive - Jack really could see the future and wanted to control Cas in order to make that happen
Negative - Jack wanted to control Cas and was willing to lie to do so
If the influence is positive then Jack has done what to him, must be done.Ā  Making him as you say not a bad character
If itā€™s negative than at best itā€™s a ruse to live, at worst itā€™s controlling and abusive
So I guess the question here falls into two sections.Ā 
a.Ā  How badly is Cas being controlled if at all
b.Ā  If Cas is being controlled is that a negative thing for Jack to do in context
Given the symbolism behind Jack and his choices (not purely out of self interest) it is highly doubtful that even now he is bad.Ā  He is a blank slate, and I donā€™t think blank slateā€™s control people.Ā  They certainly never did in the three examplesĀ  I have stated (exception Chris, but this was not brainwashing like at one stage was speculated, so I continue to include him in the three).
But you point to Amara, quite correctly.Ā  Though Iā€™m not sure one instance counts as a trope.Ā  A mirror, definitely.Ā Ā  The difference of course (to me) is that Amara was a pre-existing being with her own motivations and background.Ā  I would point you towards @postmodernmulticoloredcloak as I believe they have some great meta based on Jackā€™s actions so far.Ā Ā 
Thereā€™s actually a lot of great meta out there on Jack on his intentions but I think Iā€™ve covered the bases here and why itā€™s intersectional.Ā  If you would like to discuss any particular point more please let me know.Ā 
In summary your question is from the point of Jack influencing Cas in a way that takes away Castielā€™s agency.Ā  I have stated why I donā€™t think this is the case and offered up some thoughts on why this is the case.
Nowā€¦
All Roads Lead to Rome - Why Jack will bring Castiel closer to the Winchesters and help the others move forward
Itā€™s not so much that Jack will cause this in any deliberate way, as I say Jack is the catalyst not the magic bullet.Ā  But who he in the very way heā€™s been set up tells us who he is going to be.Ā  Outside (the young unā€™s nearly always have this effect in television).Ā Ā 
Please see
@margarittet
for excellent meta on the scenery of Jackā€™s birth, the tree of life, the sunrise (hi God and Cas)
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But I digress, you donā€™t think Jack will be bad so this can establish an immediate theme of goodness for Jack or in the future
By saving Jack all of Team Free Will save and accept themselves, which allows them to move forward in their own relationships
If Team Free Will had a comprised of their separate parts baby it would be Jack
, this is a big big point and honestly I could go on for ages soooo:Jack = Cas Angel/human, not belonging in either world or truly connecting.Ā  Identity issues, rejectionJack = SamĀ Ā  The cursed child, ā€˜predestined to harm humanityā€™ associations with Lucifer.Ā  Issues regarding being ā€˜uncleanā€™Ā Jack = DeanĀ  Jackā€™s name literally brings into focus ā€˜the everymanā€™.Ā  Which is what Dean is, in other words.Ā  The person from whom which we view events and moral decisions.Ā  He also carries tremendous responsibility and the shadow of his father.How does this help Team Free Will?Ā  By teaching them.Ā  By accepting Jack and teaching him they learn in the process and release their own crippling issues:
Cas - isolation, bridging the gap between worlds.Ā  You can choose.Ā  You do have a home.Ā  Free will.Ā  Choosing to make yourself happy, not just to serve.Ā  Cas has been making his choices based on service alone.Ā  (Beginning to show in late S12 IF you believe Castiel was not unduly influenced)
Sam - judgement and predetermined circumstance.Ā  What happened was not your fault.Ā  You can overcome, you do overcome.Ā  You can take back your power (we see this showing already in late S12), but he still needs more shoving
Dean - burdens, performance, the shadow of your father.Ā  Dean takes on every burden as his own, even when he is told to keep his nose out.Ā  You can let go, you can trust others.Ā  Itā€™s okay if things go wrong. You donā€™t have to perform for people.Ā  Itā€™s okay to just be you.Ā  You are not your father.Ā  Once again beginning to show in late S12.
Once these walls break down by teaching Jack not to repeat their mistakes (whether directly addresses their flaws or mistakes or merely advising).Ā  All three boys take some of their power back, live more authentically and figure out what they want.
Which for Cas is to be with the Winchesters.Ā  But thatā€™s a whole other discussion.
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