#Ram Tron
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gillymugs · 1 month ago
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Some fast renders of Ram and Dyson
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astercontrol · 5 months ago
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anyone: "aster WHY do you love Ram so much"
me:
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iateyourburrito · 1 month ago
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Should I post progress pics of my RAM cosplay? I worry about people getting on me for it not being movie accurate.
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fights4users · 1 year ago
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guttersniipe · 1 month ago
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hi tronblr how do we feel about ram x flynn x tron /pos
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kyuuvoid · 10 months ago
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I keep on forgetting to post but tron film strips I got a while back :]
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measlyscrapofseafood · 1 year ago
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happy pride
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stuckasmain · 2 years ago
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Ram looks familiar….. YOU!
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You guys need to understand how this broke my brain. Orignally I thought he looked a bit like Swan from the Warriors(1979) but he would’ve been in Xanadu around the time of Tron. Ram is fucking billy the kid. This man brings a blorbo vibe to everything apparently 😭
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encominternational · 2 years ago
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Round 1: ALAN BRADLEY vs RAM
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astercontrol · 2 months ago
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unspools:
yori the plan-maker
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measures:
ram the calculator
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cuts:
...yeah obviously
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*goes up to a polyamorous triad* so which one of you unspools the thread of fate, which one measures it, and which one cuts it?
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astercontrol · 4 months ago
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no i'm not gonna draw Ram's face like That.
ram's face already looks like that.
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iateyourburrito · 1 month ago
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THE BACK. AAUGGH
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fights4users · 1 year ago
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User does not mean maker
User and maker are often thought to mean the same thing within the fandom and in the world itself however this is not always the case.
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Our main character’s users just so happen to be their makers in this case because they’re integral parts of the main system. They’re not to be “used” by anyone commercially. Tron is a security program while Yori works in design and fabrication (permanent memory, updates etc). Neither of them are on the commercial everyday use computers. It makes sense for their users to be who made them- as they’re probably the only ones to access them when things are running smoothly.
Ram and Crom however aren’t the same, working for insurance firms and a savings and loan respectively. Crom’s user is “Mr.Henderson” a regional manager while we don’t know Ram’s but it’s probably a lawyer or office worker but not Roy. They’re much more commercial use non system based programs… they’re designed to be in regular access to all sorts of users not just one.
All humans are Users but not all users are Makers, I’d say in technical terms it’s more fitting to say Programs reflect makers but still address them as users.
I’m sure someone who has a actual knowledge in programing and computing could explain this in a far neater fashion.
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kyuuvoid · 1 year ago
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pausing the film here and putting them all in my pocket
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measlyscrapofseafood · 1 year ago
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my tron hcs relationship chart pre and post tron legacy!! ❤️
rinzler/yori post legacy is complicated b/c they never officially broke up but rinz got brainwashed so he doesn’t remember her :( he falls for her again as rinzler tho love wins
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astercontrol · 10 months ago
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So…
I just watched Legacy again.
And… I keep coming back to the Ram-Castor theory.
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Which first sparked from a paragraph on the Tron wiki, attributed in the footnote to Tron: Evolution…
Disparate accounts of Castor's origin exist. He was reputedly designed and created by Kevin Flynn in TC30 as an interpreter but quickly and naturally exceeded his original directives. Unconfirmed conflicting reports describe his origin as a "low-priority actuarial algorithm illegally co-opted identity of the obsolete protocol. More investigation required for verification."
This blew my mind, because... cryptic as it is, I found it easiest to interpret as:
The program that became Castor/Zuse was originally an interpreter program created by Kevin Flynn.
At some point, another program-- this "low-priority actuarial algorithm" -- took over his identity and took his place.
and… you know where my mind goes when I think of actuarial programs.
As far as I know, only one character ever canonically was described as such.
One who I cannot help but think of in the same category as Zuse (i.e., queer-coded, fun-loving, my favorite character in the damn movie, and died too damn soon.)
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But... what would it take, for Ram to become Castor??
My initial impression was:
Ram gets rerezzed on the Grid, before the coup.
Perhaps Flynn sneaks in one of Roy's backups.
(Maybe this backup, unknown to Flynn, has been updated with some hacker code, for purposes of Zack-Attack shenanigans.)
And this Ram 2.0 is the "actuarial algorithm" who eventually assumes the identity of Castor/Zuse.
This was all months and months ago…
But now, having rewatched Legacy just now, the ideas have…
…. expanded.
Into the realm of the… something.
Here goes.
As to how Ram started out on the Grid:
I imagine that Flynn tried to give him something approaching his original purpose. Actuarial math is concerned with calculating probabilities, and this is useful for plenty of things besides setting insurance premiums.
(Ram probably would prefer many of those alternatives over setting insurance premiums, once he learns just how little insurance companies actually help people.)
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His actuarial nature might even have him calculating probabilities about Clu, long before Flynn and Tron do… and seeing danger coming miles away.
And you know Flynn wouldn't have listened to his warnings.
Maybe this causes Ram to go into hiding early, before things with Clu go... clearly bad.
Now. Once in hiding, when the Purge starts, of course Ram decides to help the ISOs. He's a helper by nature. And he's lived under oppression and genocide.
Already he'll need to do this in some secrecy.
And this may very well be when he "reinvents" himself for the first time.
So. He hacks his way into the place of this …translation program that wasn't yet doing much of anything.
He takes on the new appearance, and the name Zuse.
Uses his hacking skills further, to control Solar Sailers and the permissions on other programs' discs, all in the name of getting ISOs to safety.
(This is all mentioned in the wiki, as well, attributed again to Evolution.)
(There also seem to be… hints? that Zuse himself is an ISO? but this is not clear on either the wiki, or in Legacy. There may be more data in Evolution? In any case, I'm proceeding on the assumption that he is not an ISO, just a regular program who may have been co-opted or hacked by another one.)
At the point in Legacy where Sam meets Zuse, some pieces fell together rather clearly for me.
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When he says:
"Zuse has been around since the earliest days of the gaming grid. By necessity, he has to mind all the percentages, all the angles."
it feels to me that he was clearly talking about his past as Ram, the actuary. Perhaps calculating percentages of probability for gaming purposes-- betting odds and such-- back when the games were just for fun?
But, as he said, it was self-preservation that made him change his identity. With the Purge over, and Clu attaining greater and greater power… he had to reinvent himself again, to stay safe from Clu's wrath against anyone who supported either ISOs or Users. So he gave himself the name Castor, instead, and kept the Zuse identity under wraps.
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"Castor" is actually a fairly clever choice of name. If he was going to go the Greek-gods route, "Ares" would have been the obvious code for Ram (the ram being the symbol for Ares/Aries).
(…AND I continue to pray, probably without hope, that Jared Leto keeps his mitts off of Ram completely. But, that's another topic.)
Ares was a son of Zeus.
Unclear whether this was why Ram chose the Zuse name… or whether the program had that name already before Ram took over him. (The wiki suggests that, like many names in Tron lore, it was an allusion to a famous name in computing history. In-universe, Flynn could certainly have named a program with such inspiration.)
In mythology, Castor was… one of the twins born to Leda after Zeus impregnated her. But the pregnancy had two different fathers, and Castor was not the twin fathered by Zeus.
From the perspective of a Ram in hiding, "Castor" could be taken to mean "false disguise for a true son of Zeus."
Not saying that was the sort of thing Ram himself would have come up with.
It's what I would have come up with, in his position.
But I am not an actuarial program. I am a goddamn pattern recognition program. This is obvious.
So, the above is likely all irrelevant.
Moving on!
By this point, Ram/Castor/Zuse might be pretty disillusioned with the Users, honestly.
Flynn's in hiding, doing nothing! He let Tron get corrupted, Yori either disappeared or never got rezzed in, and a tyrant with Flynn's face is in charge of everything!
I would NOT blame him for being unconvinced that changes at the top actually make a difference; that one leader's better than another.
I would not blame him for being earnest in saying, "I believed in Users once before."
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And then, of course, the betrayal!
Clu's guards barge in.
Zuse…. stands back and lets everything happen. Gives them free rein to attack Sam. Stands back and watches in glee, as the whole thing goes down.
Watches Sam fighting back. Watches Kevin Flynn and Quorra bursting in to help. Watches the whole fight. Just watches, dancing and firing energy bolts randomly into the whole mess like a madman, as if he has no stake in it one way or another!
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It would be easy to interpret this a number of ways.
He has gotten truly vengeful toward the Flynns, to the point of losing his grip on reality.
He has gotten truly vengeful toward EVERYONE, to the point of losing his grip on reality.
Perhaps his personality has even split somewhat-- the Castor and Zuse personas becoming somewhat separate entities?
This would fit with the idea that he started this whole business by co-opting the identity of another program!
Maybe that program's mind was always trapped somewhere within… fighting him.
Maybe it came to the surface more and more often as time went on.. becoming a possessing demon with very different views about everything Ram used to care for.
BUT.
There is one other possibility.
Let's take a look at just what he promised, and to whom, and just how the promises were followed through on.
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First, to Sam. He offered Sam "a change of attire," "a forged disc," and "transport to cross the Sea of Simulation."
And then he stood back, and made no attempt to stop either Sam or his helpers or his attackers…
and the fight played out as fate would have it, letting Sam and Kevin and Quorra escape to safety…
as they, most surely, would…
as they could have been predicted to…
from the viewpoint of one whose probability-calculations have always been informed by faith.
One who, deep down, does still believe in the Users.
He might… just possibly… still care.
Also, consider.
Zuse does not allow Clu's guard to take the disc he stole from Kevin. He appropriates it for himself, as a bargaining chip to use with Clu.
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For what? "Control of the city. A sizeable request, I know."
Here might be where Zuse finally miscalculates. He was expecting, or at least hoping, that there was a chance Clu would honor his end of the bargain.
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If Clu had, indeed, allowed him control of the city, it would have given him an advantage from a large number of "angles"-- no matter how the political side of things played out.
It could have given him leverage to help the Flynns later on, and undo the damage caused by the theft of the disc.
He might, quite possibly, have predicted that Sam and Kevin would both be able to recover from the immediate problem of the disc being lost.
For all we know, that brilliant probability-calculating mind might have already had a plan for that, and for how to help them later.
And even if that plan failed…it could certainly have permitted Zuse to be involved on a much larger scale in the resistance.
(Kevin, deep in his "zen thing," had even said that programs forming a resistance from within could have a better chance of taking Clu down than he himself ever could.)
(Zuse might, at some point, have agreed with him on that, and prepared himself to play a part in it.)
But.
All this seems lost.
Because, instead of honoring the deal, Clu just takes the disc and then blows up the End of Line Club with Zuse and Gem inside it.
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However.
We can easily imagine that someone with the previously displayed skills in
hacking
hiding
taking on new identities
calculating probabilities
and playing all angles / planning for all possible outcomes
…might have kept a backup of himself somewhere safer?
In any case.
Whatever was going on in Zuse's mind, in regard to helping or not helping the Users, and preparing or not preparing for Clu's betrayal…
you can't deny two things.
He doesn't give Clu any leads to find the Flynns. He tries to convince him they're already dead.
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and, once they do escape…
there just happens to be a Solar Sailer right in reach, waiting for them to sneak on.
A "transport to cross the Sea of Simulation." Just as promised.
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Just my thoughts.
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