#Pro vassien

[rizzoreads88]

“ A bird of flame & a lord of fire”

I have shipped Lucien and Vassa from the moment Feyre said this line in Acowar. The chemistry we see between them in their small moments already has me foaming at the mouth for their story.

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[acotarashley87]

Who’s going to tell them….

GA/EL saying there is nothing hinting towards Lucien and Vassa.. but then also saying this about Elain and Lucien:

But who did Lucien get a spark in his eye over?! Vassa

further proof they pick and choose what canon means something only if it supports their ship…

[dthsfawn]

EL’s and GA’s whole argument is based on aesthetics and imagery however they’re the ones who like to ignore it the most when it’s not in their favour.

elriel = canon light and dark

vassien = canon lord of fire and bird of flame

gwyn = canon ‘a summer storm’ ‘sunlit sea’ ‘sunlight on a warm sea’ (summer imagery hinting at tarquin?)

[shadowsatdawnx]

folks getting upset at people shipping luc*en with a woman that actually likes him will never not be incredibly funny to me 😭 apologies, i want him to have an actual HEA and not be stuck in loveless mating bond!

[cassianfanclub]

In ACOWAR, Elain and Lucien both have unnecessary storylines when it comes to the plot, but not when it comes to their future romances and I think that’s pretty telling.

Elain’s rescue did not need to happen the way it did. There could have been plenty of ways Elain could have been rescued (even an off page solo Az rescue), but SJM added those scenes to show us just how far Azriel is willing to go to get Elain back. To make sure she’s ok. To cradle her in his arms even after the danger has passed. The rescue did nothing for the actual plot, but it did a lot for Elriel.

Lucien goes on the most useless scavenger hunt of all time. To the point where he ran into Vassa when she had already been temporarily freed by Papa Archeron and already headed to the battle. So why would SJM send away Lucien, take him away from his mate who is finally lucid, and give them zero development as romantic interests, only for him to get back and start gushing about how wonderful another woman is? His journey did nothing for the plot, but it did a lot for Vassien.

There have been so many chances where SJM could have shown us chemistry and a possible future for Elucien, but instead, she has taken the time to build up new romances for them, and more importantly, has set up plots for future books that favor Elriel and Vassien, not Elucien.

As SJM said long ago, “I thought it was pretty obvious.”

[nikethestatue]

If you think about it....

Elain went from being terrified of the Fae, to stabbing the Fae, to falling in love with a Fae.

Lucien went from hating the humans, to going out of his way to find one, to falling in love with a human.

I think it's kind of poetic.

[thisisnovelty]

The next time someone tries to use the argument that Azriels shadows don’t like Elain just show them this…

She makes him lighter, around her he doesn’t need protection of his shadows (which we see gather around him in times of high tension and discomfort or in preparation to fight etc)

And his SENTIENT shadows (which I suspect are a bunch of wraiths like Nuala and Cerridwen, whom worked for Azriel first, his spies) go away to give him and her privacy…

…for all their subtle introverted flirting that’s probably happened during the year between the two gift exchanges.

Since during the second solstice they deemed it necessary to do it in private, so the tone had clearly shifted between them from a gentle, understanding friendship we saw build in ACOWAR, into a romantic tone that has them trying to have a secret rendezdvous and has Az literally losing sleep.

Also, he ‘allowed’ his shadows to collect the necklace box.. so he is their master if you will, meaning he chooses to send them away.

And when they danced with g/wyn’s song, her power, he had to draw them back in since they seemed to react not of his will.

So this is clearly foreshadowing about a new character with a cool power that will surely be significant in the plot. But, definitely also a red herring - Sarah probably thought, two birds one stone? Make everyone sweat and create hype for the next book? Sure why not.

Not only this, but I just re read acowar, which had me paying more attention to Nessians foreshadowing and how ‘obvious’ it was. And how they had moments where things looked positive, only for things to go cold and stagnant once again.. so that we can pick up from it in their book rather than have everything happen in Feyre’s books.

And not to mention that just some time with Vassa had Lucien more relaxed and laughing and more like Lucien from the first book. He was back to making jokes?! They have a couple name from Feyre, the OG main archeron sister. They are definitely also being foreshadowed here.

And I haven’t been that bothered about Lucien’s character since after the first book once he didn’t seem like the same character anymore, but Vassa and Lucien’s personalities and potential for chemistry and an interesting story has even me looking forward to it.

I think we will see a positive conclusion to elain and Lucien in her book, in which it will be resolved happily and a life long friend kind of vibe eventually. -Because tension/stakes/external conflict has clearly been set up first, to make for an interesting story worth publishing.

So alas, if Lucien isn’t going to be for Elain in the end, which I doubt based on the textual evidence and chemistry written, and considering the build up SJM has written for Elain and Az, then it can only be Azriel for her. Hence why we had his bonus chapter ready for the next book.

Yeah, it’s elriel. 🥰

[feyresdandelion]

Something that I always find funny is when el*ciens who also happen to be gw*nriels are so against vassien and always use arguments like "you can´t seriously believe Vassa can carry a whole book", "Vassa isn't going to be the one to kill Koschei", "Vassa is a side character, she isn't getting a whole book", "what can Vassa do against a death god?", "You only ship vassien because you don't want el*cien to happen"

Like, first, Vassa is a huge part of the Koschei plot. You can't seriously believe she isn't going to become more important later on.

Second, I'm sorry to break your heart, but Gwyn is a side character too. We have known Vassa longer than we have known Gwyn and, more importantly, Vassa is more tied to the overarching plot than Gwyn.

And third, I, who was not in the fandom until a couple months ago but read the books in 2021, who had never seen theories or any other content apart from the five books, shipped vassien from the moment we got introduced to the band of exiles.

From my very first read, I was all for elriel and vassien. And I was truly shocked when I came into the fandom and saw how many people were all for gw*nriel (a ship I didn't even know existed) and el*cien (a ship I always thought had zero chemistry).

You can say that you don't like vassien, but having those kinds of arguments is so stupid. Specially when they can be used against gw*nriel.

In my opinion, there's a bigger possibility of vassien happening than gw*nriel, but I may be a little viased.

[dazedandshadowed]

Okay…kind of ironic now that the Vassian ship is growing we are starting to see Elu/iens say “Elriels romanticize Vassa’s curse by shipping them because of the line Feyre says “A Bird of Flame and a Lord of Fire”…

I hate to break it to you but shipping Elain and Lucien is no different. Elain was turned against her will. She associated Lucien with the most traumatic event of her life. Elain specifically says she doesn’t want a mate and you all keep wanting her to be with someone SHE FEELS is responsible for her trauma… so maybe sit this one out…because the call is coming from inside the house with this one 🤔

[nicawritesandwhines]

The most important aspect of Elain and Lucien’s mating bond that proves Elucien is not going to happen is not the circumstances of the bond. It’s not Elain and Lucien avoiding each other. All this could be turn around with a good story telling.

The giveaway that Elucien is not going to happen is Vassa. That’s it. SJM wrote Lucien entangled with Vassa’s search for freedom. That’s how his plot is going.

Now, can you imagine a book where Elain and Lucien get together to save another woman…? A woman Lucien is sharing the same roof for a whole year…? I fail to think of references of romance where two mates get together to save another woman. A kingdom? Yes. A court? Sure. The world?! Yup! But an attractive young cursed woman?

For me, that’s the point of no return for their mating bond. Hey, don’t blame the messenger, SJM is the one who wrote like this. When Lucien stared at the window, it was Vassa that populated his thoughts and set his target, not his mate.

[lakewillowmerewraith]

I’m probably so late to the game but Somehow, I always missed the last part that Lucien says here in ACOWAR when he volunteers to go find Vassa:

““This eye …” Lucien gestured to the metal contraption. “It can see things that others … can’t. Spells, glamours … Perhaps it can help me find her. And break her curse.”

He didn’t say that just for Lucien NOT be the one that helps Vassa break her curse. And you can’t tell me that the male who helps Vassa break her curse won’t be her love interest. Vassien and Elriel all but confirmed right here 🔥

[rizzoreads88]

✨ Elriel is the only ship with canon confirmation they are actually into each other.✨

you know some of the shippers really aren’t going by the actual books anymore when they try to say THE ONLY SHIP WITH CANON CONFIRMATION THEY ARE ACTUALLY INTO EACH OTHER is actually not canon.

Yes elucien are mates right now but they are not into each other in the books as of now. even if you think Lucien is into elain, elain is not into Lucien like that.. Every other ship is based on theories.i know the GA like to try and gaslight Bryce/Azriel and Vassien shippers but I hate to break to ya gwynriel is no different than these ships.

If you want to be really honest there is actually more canon evidence Azriel has a connection w Bryce than Gwyn . There is more canon evidence Lucien is starting to grow feelings for Vassa then anything yall try to twist for Azriel & Gwyn. If azriel even did half the things for Gwyn Lucien has done for Vassa yall would never stop screaming “endgame!” BFR.

Ship who you want. Have whatever theories you want. But dont sit here and bully/gaslight or make fun of others for shipping other pairs that are in the same boat as Gwynr/el…..

[mermaidsloveelriel92]

I asked a friend of mine, who is completely unbiased because she has never read the ACOTAR series before, to read two snippets of Gwynriel scenes, because I didn’t have any of my books on me because I was at work, to see if maybe I was missing something.I never thought I was because like SJM said I thought it was obvious. Anyway I asked her if she saw any kind of flirting happening between Azriel and Gwyn. I even used this scene so she could see if there was flirting.

And since they love to use this scene as Mate behaviour.

It really bugs me when they use this scene as proof of a mating bond between them. She’s not remembering it romantically and neither does he.

It’s like with Lucien and Elain. He will always be tied to the most trauma moment of her life and that’s not romance. If the scene between Azriel and Gwyn was meant to be romantic SJM could’ve wrote that scene without Gwyn being hurt or raped.

Lucien will always be tied to Elain’s trauma of being Made fae, can they move past it?

I think so.

Will it be from a romantic standpoint?

No.

I asked if there was any kind of romance between them and after reading both scenes. She said no. There is absolutely no romance between them and what Gwynriels consider flirting isn’t flirting.

Then because I’m an Elriel shipper. I wanted her opinion on theme so I looked up one of my favourite scenes because it really does show, in my opinion, the essence of what Elriel as a couple will be.

That’s right the potatoes scene.

I asked her if she thought that it was romantically coded and she said yes.

I asked her because she, like me, is for one) a seasoned romance ( any genre really ) reader and two) we both read between the lines on scenes we notice things are supposed to be noticed.

No hate to Lucien or Gwyn. I can’t wait to see their characters explored. I can’t wait to see Gwyn’s Lightsinger abilities explored. I don’t view her asking as Azriel this as romantic.

I view it as her wanting to understand why she does when she sings. She wants to know if Azriel , who is a Shadowsinger, glows if he sings.

She wasn’t trying to get to know him.

She was asking that to understand her own power.

I also can’t wait to explore Vassien. I think after Elriel and Emorie’s, Vassien will probably get their own book, or like Amren and Varian, they become a couple in the background of Elriel’s book, but I’m not entirely sure that will happen considering Vassa is tied to a major plot point, her curse.

Even though there’s been no meeting between them yet, I find it interesting that while Nesta and Emerie were looking for Gwyn, they ran into Balthazar.

I wouldn’t be surprised if somewhere down the road Gwyn and Balthazar meet and fall in love.

But that’s up SJM.

I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the ACOTAR series and the CC series. I strongly suggest reading the CC series before Elriel’s book comes out because there are important plot points that will come into play in their book. I’m currently in the middle of reading Empire of Storms.

I don’t understand all the Chaol hate. I think he’s a great character. He’s one of my favourites. I also don’t understand the hate for Aedion and Lysandra either, especially their relationship.

Sorry this turned out longer than expected.

[dthsfawn]

fanon:

- the fox and the fawn

- the shadowsinger and the valkyrie

canon:

‘death and the lovely fawn’

we have a canon ship name given to elriel by the fmc, yet we’re the ones who are delusional? make it make sense

stars eternal and night triumphant ✓

lord of bloodshed and lady death ✓

death and the lovely fawn [pending]

lord of fire and bird of flame [pending]

[shadowsatdawnx]

i just find it so beautiful how lucien, the son of a spell cleaver, found his way to vassa, a cursed queen.

like fate always knew they would find each other. like maybe the mother herself knew how badly they would need each other, even if the cauldron, koschei, or any other benevolent force tried to keep it from happening, they were always meant to save each other. and i just think that’s lovely.

the fire bird and the lord of fire 🔥

[realfae12]