#Parasocial relationships must be going like crazy

[crowhoonter]

ya ever think about how in the cape conventions that assumedly exist in the wormverse, they probably had to explicitly ban E88 cosplay like how a lot of real life cons have to ban Nazi shit? Who was the first chucklefuck to show up dressed up as Kaiser or Krieg? At that point they couldn't even hide behind the excuse of "its just a character bro" like no that's a real ass person. The worst couples costume ever being Nacht und Nebel.

Or imagine the other brand of edgelords going as Slaughterhouse 9 members. Maybe someone is tasteless enough to sell a Jack Slash Bodypillow. Just an absolute disaster in every regard.

Maybe Cape Conventions are a bad idea actually

[inkskinned]

i have a fever. let's imagine pokemon world dash discourse together. (sorry i do not have darkmode.)

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For the last fucking time owning a gengar is NOT graverobbing. what is actually wrong with you people

#gengar #why am i even still on this site #i don't have a gengar but like. what's even going on over there #is marowak graverobbing now too??

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farfetch'd is like the most edible pokemon just because he comes with his own aromatics. pop that bad boy in the oven with some oran berries.... don't mind if i do

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@dyketraining tags pass peer review

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I love to hate things and people. And when I turn out to be RIGHT and that person is a DICK? All parasocial relationships are bad and evil unless I am right about hating someone and then parasocial relationships are good actually

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We all thought about the same person let's just be honest here....

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For me it's always going to be people who keep Pokémon without any thought as to their enrichment and needs. You do not need a fucking Arcanine, you live in a studio apartment and don't walk more than a block a day. You think you want a Gardevoir but are you okay with having an unknowable creature reading your thoughts every waking moment of the day? Even while you do... the nasty?

It drives me crazy because people see a Champion and think they have the time, energy, money, and space necessary to raise a Dragon type. Unless you have generational wealth, let me spell it out for you: you do not have the funds for a Dragon type. And yes! Charizard is on that list, guys! You can't even afford to feed yourself!

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local tumblr user declares the poors only get rat pokemon. maybe a bug pokémon if we are very good. we must grovel in the streets amen

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Laugh all you want but I'm serious. I have heard of someone who is living with a MR. MIME like it's her HUSBAND!!!! That's fucking GROSS. These are creatures that TRUST us and NEED us.

Did you know that most Ponyta prefer to be in a herd? Are you going to have the space for that? Did you know that if you don't properly care for certain fire species their flame goes out? Sure, they're cute when they're small: but unless you're a rancher or a Gym Leader... I'm sorry. You're gross to me if you think otherwise. I hate people like that.

And for the record, rat and bug Pokémon are very valuable from an ecological standpoint. They hold an extremely important niche. People like you would rather they be hunted to extinction because they're pests, not pretty. It's disgusting.

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anybody in this thread smoke weed

#NOT THE RATS FOR THE POOR PEOPLE... GIRLLLLLL #the thing is they're not like... wrong.... #like i agree with the sentiment #my friend tried to get a slyveon just by like. playing catch a few times #.... like you do need to try.... #also fyi i have a large species so i'm biased #grovyle my baby . my man. u are costing me like so much in pokepuffs per month

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why are we all talking about what pokemon to eat tonight lmafo

#.... obviously jigglypuff. homegirl is 90% cotton candy

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Like okay I got into science because I love to learn but the more I find out about how we've classified Pokémon types the more insane I feel. What do you mean there's no singular true indicator? What do you mean that there are several conditions which completely alter their base type?

Literally today my lab partner and I got into a very serious discussion about Luxray. That thing is a fuckking dark type!!!!! I'm sorry!!! I don't care what Bulbapedia says!!!! anyway i threw a pokeball at him and it swallowed him whole and now i'm going to jail for unlawful imprisonment of a TA

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there's something, like, very dystopian about the idea that if u put an ugly hat on ur favorite little creature it changes like. the DNA. like. do other pokemon look at what you've done and cower? that's their friend... similar but changed... forever having known a life that is entirely alien to them...

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.... Are we going to ignore that OP swallowed a human into a ball???

#yes we are. #my friend loves those hats but I think they're so ugly #and stupid #if i wanted a specific type imma get that type..... #typesetting #show james

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ROUND 5 of 6 (see blog for more)

PLEASE REBLOG FOR VISIBILITY:

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just saw someone say writing omegaverse fanfic of your pokemon is bestiality. ma'am this is the monster fucking site. you should be grateful that it's only omegaverse.

#the things i've seen would melt your eyebrows clean off your face #..... typhlosion they could never make me hate you baby #i know that's not what's in your heart

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Okay say what you will. But shorts really are comfy and easy to wear

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Sorry bud. But. Investing at 3 notes

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don't do this to me. i h avue a wife . and chi ld

[bumbled-bees]

Getting Close Was What Set Me Free

(Or: Why I Do This Work)

So I've come to realize that getting close to Lily was what set me free. And by that I mean: the reason I was able to finally see Lily for who she really is wasn’t because I stumbled across some damning document or a big exposé. It was because I got too close to her to keep lying to myself.

I was in her server from June to September 2024. Three months. Not long in the grand scheme of things, but long enough to change everything.

Before that, I was just a casual fan. I watched her videos, nodded along with a lot of her takes, maybe rolled my eyes at a few. But I still trusted her. I still believed in the version of herself that she presents—the version that’s loud, unfiltered, “honest to a fault,” as she might say. Someone who’s rough around the edges but ultimately good-hearted. Someone who "says what everyone else is thinking." That’s the version she wants you to see.

And for a while, I bought into it. A lot of people do. Especially if you’re neurodivergent, LGBT+, or otherwise looking for a voice that feels like it “gets” you. She markets herself directly to us—those who’ve been overlooked, who’ve been hurt, who want to believe that someone loud and confident must know what they’re talking about.

But once I got inside that server, once I was in her space every day, I saw the real Lily. Not the polished version, not the performance. The person.

It started small. Subtle acts of condescension toward her own viewers. Passive-aggressive remarks she clearly expected people to just “get.” The way she acted offended if someone asked a question she didn’t feel like repeating herself on. That kind of thing. It wasn’t abusive in an overt way at first. But it chipped away at you. It created this atmosphere where you always had to tiptoe around her mood. And if you didn’t? Well, you were either ignored, mocked, or quietly exiled.

What really changed things for me was realizing how much effort she puts into controlling the space around her. That’s what it comes down to. Control. Everything is about control—what people are allowed to say, what kind of questions are allowed, what “tone” you’re supposed to use when addressing her. And the more time you spend in that environment, the more you realize that nothing you say is ever just a question. It’s a potential offense. A potential threat. Every interaction with her is a test you can fail, and she gets to decide the rules.

The incest game folder is when I started going back to old allegations, to posts I’d brushed off as “haters” or “drama.” And suddenly everything clicked. It wasn’t just “cancel culture” or “jealous ex-friends.” These were patterns. These were consistent behaviors. And they matched exactly what I was now seeing firsthand.

That’s when I got out. But that’s also when I realized how dangerous her grip really is.

Because if I’d stayed a casual fan? I wouldn’t have looked any of that up. I wouldn’t have believed the claims. I would’ve kept assuming that anyone who criticized her was just bitter or couldn’t handle a “strong personality.” And that’s what scares me most. How many people are still in that mindset? How many people are still where I was?

That’s why I started documenting. That’s why I made this blog. Not to “get back at her,” not to cause drama. But to lay out the patterns. To name them. To put them in the light. Because they are recognizable—and not just in Lily. The same red flags show up in other online spaces, in other creators, in other parasocial relationships. And if this blog helps even one person get out of a toxic space, or recognize that they’re not crazy for feeling like something’s off? Then it’s worth it.

I do this because I’ve been there. I saw it up close. And I got out. Now I want to help others recognize what I did—before they get pulled in too deep.

This isn’t a callout blog. It’s a flashlight. And I’m just trying to shine it where it’s needed.

[weirdsht]

My Beautiful Stranger, My Soulmate - Cale/Fem! Reader

notes: for some reason i have a thing for continued love, maybe the reason why i'm single is because my soulmate is in another timeline/dimension /hj ... anyways this was the fic that i've wanted to write for the longest time but had no time for hehe

tags: female reader, novel spoilers (KRS' past and some war stuff), angst? not sure, continued love-esc, told in Cale's pov, one-sided admiration, strangers, Cale is whipped, mentions of abuse

English isn’t my first language so there will be grammatical errors

Pls don't repost my work anywhere without my permission

Constructive criticisms and any kind of interaction are more than welcome

Requests are currently closed but my ask are still open (read pinned)

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Everyone wants to have something constant in their life. Something that would keep them grounded. Something that would give them a sense of normalcy when everything else feels crazy. 

For most, a person will be their constant and their pillar. Choosing a loved one in their life that supports and cares for them. Just someone they can go through during the tough times in their life.

Kim Rok Soo’s case is the same… for the most part, that is.

The difference that sets him apart from the average person is the fact that his constant person is a stranger.

He knows what she looks like. Knows her mannerisms. Has seen her for almost his entire life.

Yet he doesn’t know her name. Doesn’t know what her speaking voice sounds like. Has never had a personal interaction with her. 

Is this considered to be a type of parasocial relationship? Maybe, but Rok Soo can’t be bothered to find out.

Kim Rok Soo’s first interaction with his constant was when he was a child. During the short while of his life where he was happy, complete. When his loving parents are still alive. That was the first time he saw her.

It was during daycare. The daycare is separated into morning and afternoon sessions. His parents had enrolled him for the morning sessions.

At first, he didn’t want to go. Even as a kid he had preferred the peace his house could offer compared to socializing with the outside world. But alas, it wasn’t like he had a choice, his parents had already enrolled him so he had to go. Plus either way, he has to attend school sooner or later.

That’s why he goes, albeit reluctantly. He participates in whatever antics the teachers/caretaker does even when all he wants to do is go back home. For him, daycare was extremely tiring.

However, all that tiredness was wiped away when dismissal arrived. And no, it wasn’t just because he was excited to see his parents and go back home.

It was actually because of the girl he saw. She was a cute kid, wearing a cute dress with her hair tied in those typical twin-tailed hairstyles girls her age would have. Rok Soo didn’t see her in daycare so she must be part of the afternoon session.

Since then, he looked forward to attending daycare just to catch a glimpse of her during dismissal.

Unfortunately, Kim Rok Soo’s life took a turn for the worse at such a young age. Tragedy had befallen upon him. His parents died and his uncle is a piece of shit that hits children. It was no surprise that he had forgotten about that pretty girl in daycare.

The universe seems to not want him to forget though.

Because then why else would he see her again in the playground he runs to whenever his uncle's house is too much? Why else she be there when they were far from the town where Rok Soo attended daycare?

‘It must be fate’

That’s what little Rok Soo thinks to himself as he watches her and her friends play on the monkey bars. He just watches them from inside the castle fortress thing that no one ever uses. The sand underneath him served as his cushion.

Sometimes he wants to join, he wants to befriend her too. But he isn’t really one for moving around, for playing such physically tiring games. Even if he was, his injuries from his beatings are stopping him from doing so. Hence why he was content with playing with the sand beneath his feet while watching her laugh as she tried to not get caught by her friend during a round of tag.

Despite what Rok Soo says, his constant isn’t as steady in his life as he wants her to be. There are long periods of his life where he wouldn’t see her.

Which was why he was internally overjoyed when he saw her not only taking the same bus as him but also going to the same library. They seem to have the same schedule, and the same free time allocated for reading books in the library. The library and the novels they held were already Rok Soo’s safe space, his constant’s presence only made it more heavenly.

Kim Rok Soo knows that his constant doesn’t know who he is. Even if he remembers seeing her almost every day, in her perspective he was just a random, faceless stranger.

However, sometimes there are incidents where he would think otherwise. Is he being delusional? Absolutely, but who would call him out? The voices in his head? His already used to blocking them out.

One incident was after the day she didn’t go to the library. Rok Soo was a bit concerned as this was the first time she skipped her usual library session. The next day after that, someone had left a canned drink on his desk. It’s the drink she usually buys from the vending machine. As a matter of fact, Rok Soo had never seen anyone else pick that drink except for her.

So sue him for being delusional, but that was definitely from his constant.

When the cataclysm started, Kim Rok Soo was sure he would never see her again.

But the universe had other plans.

No matter what happens, fate seems to be pulling them together. Intertwining their destinies.

Kim Rok Soo should be happy and should be overjoyed that he gets to see her.

However, he isn’t.

In fact, he wished he hadn’t seen her.

For maybe then he could’ve lived in ignorant bliss.

“Hurry and go! I’ll hold things down over here!”

Rok Soo’s constant commanded firmly. This is the first time he has heard her speak, and god does she sound heavenly. However, this isn’t the time for this. The eclipse is still happening, barrage after barrage of monsters is still coming after every shelter.

Still, he can’t help but admire her for a second. She’s so strong, so cool, so put together.

He just wishes she hadn’t been so selfless.

The skinny man couldn’t help but hold onto the hem of his clothes. Staring at her as if begging her to come with him using his eyes.

“I’ll be fine. You should go first, I’ll follow soon.”

Lies

Kim Rok Soo knows that she won’t be following them anytime soon. He is well-aware of the fact that after this the next time he would be reunited with her is in the afterlife.

That’s why he tries to convince her even though he knows he will ultimately fail.

Years passed after that and Kim Rok Soo never saw his constant again. How could he when she passed away? When she sacrificed herself for his sake and others.

Despite the accumulation of the time and people Rok Soo met, he never forgot her. He could never forget her. Sometimes he would just sit in silence, remembering how her voice sounded. Relishing the first and last words she spoke to him.

This did not change even after he became a team leader. As a matter of fact, the only change is that now he’s mourning for three people, instead of one.

His longing for her was strong. It did not disappear even after becoming Cale Henituse. He would still think of her despite turning over a new leaf, literally turning over a new life.

Cale longs to hold her again. This time not just the hem of her clothing but her hand. He wishes to have a proper conversation with her. Longs to ask her why she likes that canned drink that no one else drinks so much.

He longs to get to know her outside of the things he has observed. Wants to be the cause of her smile, and not merely watch others do it in his stead.

But alas, he couldn’t.

For not only is she dead, but his in another world.

Or at least that’s what he thought until he saw a familiar face standing up for him during the noble's meeting.

“Personally, I think we should just be grateful to Commander Cale Henituse. If it weren’t for him and his people then our kingdom would be in graver danger that we would not even be able to conduct such a meeting.”

She looked exactly how Cale remembered her. Her voice still has that same firmness in it, telling everyone in the room how she also wields power despite being younger than all of them.

“That’s correct young master. However, there are still some things that should be addressed. Such as that necromancer–”

“She has a name, it’s Mary. And she’s not a mere necromancer, she’s a revered hero of our kingdom. One of the people who had defended our kingdom from the Indomitable Alliance.”

Cale didn’t know he could fall deeper after all these years, but he just did.

“Due all respect my lady, but you are still young. I think your emotions are getting the best of you. Mind you that you are not even the heir of your household.”

The ugly noble tried to retaliate to which Cale’s constant only raised her eyebrows at.

“Oh my, how disgraceful… A noble pulling the age card just because his nearing his expiry age. Now forgive my disrespect, but you started it first… How dare you look down on me, the top 1% contributor to this Kingdom’s economy? I have built a name for myself outside of my family’s influence while all you have is your family’s standing. And emotional? Really? Of course, I’m emotional, the lives of our citizens are at stake and all you mongrels seem to care more about powerplay like the hungry bastards you all are. Is it because you’re not on the front lines? Is it because you think you can do what Commander Cale Henituse did? Then I dare you to do so at this very moment. Go to the frontlines and defend this kingdom you all claim to love very much!”

A deafening silence followed the young woman’s speech. Even Alberu had to take a double take. Everyone is tense, they don’t know what to say. Can’t refute what she said.

“I’m sorry for my outburst, Your Highness, Commander Cale. I simply cannot tolerate such disrespect when you are pulling most of the weight during these trying times. Please, let us proceed with our original agenda.”

Her poise never left her, even as she tore down every noble inside the room. Contrarily, the more she speaks, the more it looks as though she also possesses Dominating Aura.

At her insistence, the meeting got back on track. Most of the nobles were already silenced because of her, Alberu and Cale only had to deliver the finishing blow before wrapping everything up.

Once everything was done and settled Cale made plans to talk to his constant. Get to know her name, and finally interact with her. He knows that in her eyes his just a stranger. Someone who has no personal connections with her. But that doesn’t stop the redhead. He can always start forging their connection right here, right now.

He’ll do anything to not let her slip from his grasp once again.

And so the commander slithers his way towards where she is. He already had it all planned out; he’ll start the conversation by thanking her for standing up in Mary’s defence before asking for her name, and then he’ll let things flow naturally from there.

Despite running the simulations in his head, the only thing he could do once he was face to face with her was standing there. Face marred with shock and mouth unable to form words?

The cause?

Oh nothing much, it’s just because of her greeting.

“It’s nice to finally meet my beautiful stranger from Earth whose name I still don’t know. I’m [Name] [Lastname], may I know Commander Cale Henituse’s Earth name?”

[pop-punklouis]

wanted to ask your opinion on the chappel roan tiktoks she made the other day about fame and boundaries. i know a lot of people are siding with her, but i just feel like she could've been nicer about what she said...? i get that she had this crazy rise in fame the past few months. and i dont know how i would respond to that change, but to be upset bc fans want to take photos with you and to be so rude about it bc you're on "your time" just???. idk i feel like im in the minority here

i think you're missing the entire point of her message, babe. you're choosing to focus on the "taking pictures with fans" part of her rant instead of what she was really talking about, which is the harassments and objectifications she's been the victim of due to this meteoric rise to fame. she was not saying you couldn't come up and ask her for a photo. she was saying, if she told a fan "no" that some fans have immediately called her rude and tried to start an agenda about her being ungrateful and harsh in person. she was never talking about nice fan interactions. she was most definitely talking about every other interaction she's gotten that has been. inhumane

regardless, why should she be nicer about... anything... she was talking about? i'm tired of the parasocial and chronically online dictating how celebrities must react to fame and to their fans. harassment, stalking, manipulation, condescension.... these do not have to be synonymous with fame because hey! people don't have to treat other human beings like they're caged animals in a zoo! because they! signed up for this lifestyle! those aren't normal things and no one should expect someone to just. adapt to those things like it is. she can be as mean as she wants, dude. i don't blame her

why are people stalking her family? why are people pushing her boundaries? why are people pretending like her very valid and raw critique of how she's been treated since she went uber-viral are actually her "showing her true colors" and being "unappreciative" for what she chose to do for a living? like she stated in her videos, you don't know her. she doesn't know you. it is not normal to pretend like you do and to interact with her like you do. tiktok has made this parasocial relationship with celebrities worse than i ever could've imagined and we are seeing the darker side of it with chappel roan right now because she is being vocal about it. it's overwhelming. it's very abnormal. and it should be discussed more.

these people don't owe you anything. it's one thing to be ungrateful for what fans have given you. its another thing to feel like you are living in a fish bowl because people are treating you like a commodity instead of a living, breathing human being. i'm all for more celebrities drawing a harsh line in the sand when it comes to their personal life and their public persona. you are not obligated to their time no matter how much you feel you are. i cannot imagine becoming a practical overnight-sensation like she has the past summer. i would go absolutely insane on day three. so, why don't people turn on their dome piece and think for two seconds about how irrational and brainless it is to be upset that she "could've said :( things nicer :(" and she needs to be "more :( grateful :( otherwise :( she's not cut out :( for fame :(" liiiiike. no perhaps its you that needs to reevaluate how you treat other human beings depending on if they have the label "celebrity" over their head and go from there!

because what she said is something that's needed to be said for a long, long time regarding celebrity culture i just hate it's happening to her on such a scale that she needed to say it at all.

[teslasucks37]

hey so Jinx is extremely problematic. im sure you could find a lot more on it on twitter, but she very openly followed CP artists up until someone called her out on it.

I don’t like getting serious on here cause Tumblr is supposed to be a nice space where I can just like my fanfics and have my interests but here we go.

Honestly, I’ve done a deep dive on them and I find everything people have said about them very suspicious. From what I’ve seen, the only semi-problematic people that they followed were just people that were drawing people that looked similar to Charlie, which I don’t think is inherently problematic because he is literally just a brown haired man with glasses.

Additionally, the person that made that entire “call out” post on twitter seemed incredibly parasocial towards Charlie and was responding to people within the thread like they needed to protect Charlie and like he wasn’t a grown man that could make his own decisions.

Charlie has gone to large lengths to protect Jinx and leave them out of his content, even though it’s very obvious that they have gone to events with Charlie and his friends, including Moonzy, Ranboo, Phil, Condi, and probably others.

If that many people are still willing to be around them, especially people that are very in touch with the online community such as Ranboo and Moonzy, there must be something we don’t know, or Jinx was telling the truth about simply not knowing and being fairly inactive on Twitter.

Also, even if they did know, something that should be basic internet etiquette, in no way when you follow someone on twitter or on any social media in general ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU AGREE WITH AND SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT PERSON DOES AND SAYS!!!

Charlie literally liked their response on Twitter himself, so it’s a little hypocritical to believe that Jinx is a bad person while still thinking that Charlie is fine.

ESPECIALLY WHEN CHARLIE WAS THE ONE WHO WAS SEEMINGLY “VICTIMIZED” BY THEM???

It was also incredibly suspicious that the person that made the original thread personally messaged the creator that Jinx was following, especially when they were the one making the art that was deemed so distasteful. Their correspondence seemed really weird and if they don’t like the content why would they even consider talking to them? Just to prove Jinx is a bad person?

They literally censored the account they dmed too so there’s no way of checking if those DMs are real.

Also, all of this information about them likely came from LeakTwt in the first place considering all of the “anonymous sources” so fruit of the poison tree and all that.

Also the shit Jinx was reposting was not that crazy??? Like they saw them retweet fanart of Raven (who is depicted in many different comics as being an adult) and spun that as sexualizing fanart of minors??? And also said they were sexualizing sonic in cosplay??? So many people have done that without any complaints because it’s not that weird???

There is also absolutely no reason to not believe that Jinx simply didn’t know about the CC nsfw, especially when Charlie himself and all of their friends don’t seem to care.

TLDR: If Charlie doesn’t care, then it is none of our business. We don’t really know him and their relationship is not ours to scrutinize. You cannot think that Charlie is completely innocent if you think Jinx is evil. Touch grass.

[weirdly-specific-but-ok]

i wonder how many followers have you gained since the beginning of this whole madness and how many notifications do you get? and do you go through all of them?

because i'm just now realizing i have formed a parasocial relationship with someone who was literally just existing only 3 days ago unknown by anyone and it's strange for me, i can't even imagine what it must be like for you

Hello maggot! Well, it's, uh, somewhere in the mid 600s, followers wise. And the notifications are a lot, but yes, I go through almost all of them, even if I can't reply to them all. Clearly I miss a few sometimes (I only found out Neil Gaiman liked my post because some of you all were talking about it in the replies RIP but anyway what you all say is more important to me) but I'm trying coz everything you all say is so wonderfully sweet, though sometimes uh, crazy and mentally scarring, because this is Fandom. So it is to be expected.

It's definitely been... wild. Again, I only joined tumblr a few days before Christmas. But honestly? I joined tumblr to make friends and find a community, and maybe it went a little unexpectedly, since I didn't think I would create a community, but this is amazing. I love all of you maggots (why are you guys letting me call you that).

To be fair, chaos has always followed me wherever I go, I switched from science to arts because of Drarry fanfiction etc. But this is one of the strangest bits of chaos that I've fallen into.

It's crazy that my just being a clueless dumbass and slowly descending into fandom madness and crying over Crowley brings joy to people, but I always knew fandoms were sadistic, I mean uh, open to new recruits. And you guys bring me so much joy too. And tears. Yes a lot of that. Crowley my child.

*waves eagerly* I'm glad to be here with you all. I was so lonely, and I'm not anymore.

I hope you guys know you aren't alone, too. You have an adopted mascot to traumatise now!

[wbdiene]

I never share my opinion on this matters, but now I want to spend some words on it.

I just returned home, and as soon as I opened Instagram, I saw a post of globalmyeon about some "fans" sending protest trucks to SM and Karina following the news of her dating Lee JaeWook. Obviously, it is not the first time that I see "fans" sending trucks to the entertainments, but this time, the messages left me with my jaw on the FLOOR. While reading the messages, I felt SICK and disgusted by the fans' behaviour, and I don't even want to know how Karina or Lee JaeWook felt.

I've never liked how K-pop, as a whole, pushed parasocial relationships to the point where fans ARE entitled to have a say on the idols' lives without consequences.

At this point, the problem is not even the fans but the entertainments that punish the idols instead of taking action because they are too scared of losing money. Do they realise that if they sell 1,000,000 million albums instead of 1,000,020, they aren't going into bankruptcy? Especially SM that has 300 groups and they are all extremely successful.

Not to mention that I'm genuinely worried for the people who sent the trucks or share the same opinion. This is borderline insane, like this type of people MUST seek help, because it is not normal being THIS invested in someone's life.

I'm going to quote some of the craziest phrases I have read because they've entered in my top 10 stupidest things I've ever had the disgrace to read:

"Why did you choose to betray fans?" Love, we are not in a telenovela where the protagonist caught her partner cheating

"Please personally apologise to us." Now Karina ,in her free time, is going to send personalised letters to each and every one of her fans

"You messed up your own career yourself. Are you satisfied?" Karina preparing for yet another successful comeback: 👁👄👁

If I was not aware of the situation, I would think that she did something unforgivable. Turns out she's just dating someone.

You want to know what's funny?

Karina wrote an apology letter.

The crazy fans won. Money won.

Am I dramatic? Probably.

Am I tired of seeing Human beings being treated like jesters? Yes.

[jerzwriter]

What do you think about TS shading her fans in TTPD?

Hey Nonny!

I should post a disclaimer... because most people (even some who have known me a long time) still don't seem to get my sense of humor in regard to all things Taylor Swift, and beyond. (People really need to lighten the fuck up, but I digress...)

Look, I get it. Being a public figure and having your entire life under a microscope must be hard. I wouldn't want it. I don't envy it. Parasocial relationships are a thing, and people are crazy, so it's gotta suck....

but.....

Taylor has carefully cultivated those parasocial relationships and turned them into a profitable business model. It has turned her into one of the most powerful women in the world and has made her a Billionaire with a B. So I think our lil' baby doll needs to understand sometimes she's gonna have to suck it up. You can't have it both ways.

I play the Taylor gossip game - to a degree. It's fun. It's light. It's harmless. Do I think some fans are over-the-top? Yes. A thousand times, yes. To quote my daughter: I'm a Swiftie, so I can say this... some of us Swifties are the most annoying motherfuckers on Earth.

Cosigned. 1,000%. 10,000%.

but.....

I think Tay Tay was referring to the Healey affair of 2023, and I have thoughts on that. See, I love Ms. Swift, but I'm not naive. I know she's cultivated an image that is not necessarily reality. But, if she's going to paint herself as a progressive face of white feminism, lgbtq+ causes, and more—performative or not—then she has to walk the walk, and if she doesn't, then she should expect to be taken to task. Healy is a POS, and any association with him would reflect on her. She's too smart and too savvy a businesswoman not to realize that, so I don't give 2 shits about the tears she shed over that.

Now, are some fans INSANE? Yes. Like, I listened to the album, and I'm like, "Oh, Joe, you dirty dog." Me and my friends sent each other amusing GIFs, it's all in good FUN (see disclaimer above). Am I really giving Joe a second thought? No. If I see him on the street, will I attack him? No. Do I honestly care? No. For the record, Taylor has me convinced she is far from the face of stability and is a lil' off too... that's one of the things I like about her... us "off" chicks have to stick together. She herself said she sees her part in the problem, so I'm not sitting here hating Joe.

And while I'll engage in the cuteness that is Taylor/Kelce (what is their couple name? See, this is how much I care...) for FUN... I honestly don't give a damn there, either. Like, it doesn't pay my bills. Doesn't impact my relationships. Do I want her to be happy? Yeah. I want everyone to be happy. But I'm not personally invested. Some fans are... and some push that "off" into the not-fun territory. So I can see that being a bit of a concern... but again, when you cultivate parasocial relationships, this shit's gonna happen. Am I mad at her for the lyrics? No. Will I be relistening and freaking over the music tonight? You better fucking believe it.

Thanks for the ask, Nonny!

[freifraufischer]

Three Can Keep a Secret if Two Are Dead

Gymnastics fandoms reaction to leaks from big named athletes is totally crazy to me.  “Who is this tweeting an announcement that, if true, is Suni's to reveal. If the tweeter knows Suni plans to announce this on Tuesday, they should keep their mouth shut.”

So there are rumors that Sunisa Lee told the Auburn team that this would be her last NCAA season.  I’d believe it just based on the fact that she herself said she wasn’t interested in finishing her degree, that she was only taking classes to maintain her eligibility and my general impression that Auburn hasn’t been a fun place for her.

But coming on the heals of people saying Gymcastic shouldn’t have followed up on gossip going around US Nationals about Gabby Douglas training again I really need have to shake my head.

Sunisa Lee (and Gabby Douglas for that matter) are public figures with agents and advisers.  If Lee did announce this to the Auburn gymnastics team that is a very sizable group of people inevitably not all of whom like her.  Her agents and her had to know that as soon as you tell a group of people that size it would get out.  

‘It was her time to announce’ is for pregnancies and illnesses.  But something like this is news.  Not only that ... but the timing itself is kind of shitty for the people who signed NLI’s last week for Auburn as those are binding contracts and a certain number of them almost certainly thought they were going to a team with the Olympic champion on it.

“If true, it’s shitty that someone is trying to spoil her announcing her comeback just because she decided to give her team the heads up first.”  This assumes that the people being told don’t have their own feelings about how this impacts them.  Some gym fans seem to buy a disturbing amount of propaganda out of NCAA gymnastics about teams being the closest group of sisters.  And people persist in this even after Sunisa Lee herself gave a small podcast interview that directly contradicted the curated narrative about her NCAA experience.

I have ... opinions about the Graba twins and few of them are good.  I’d really love to know how much Suni was part of Jeff’s recruitment for incoming 2023 and 2024 gymnasts who will never compete with Suni if this is true.  Leaving aside the clearly sketchy Midwest Gymnastics to Auburn pipeline and the entire conflict of interest there, and even this absolutely horrible piece about Midwest, there were rumors floating around last year that Jeff Graba was telling other Auburn gymnasts that they were ungrateful to him for getting Suni there.  That many of them were also unhappy with the circus around Suni.  And that’s not even touching the racial issues that have floated around Graba and the Auburn program in the past.

If Sunisa Lee told the people in that room this news this weekend some number of them were likely angry, some number of them were likely happy, and some number of them felt no obligation to Sunisa Lee in the slightest.  And her agent would have told her that.

But in general this kind of hand wringing about (basically) professional athletes who are adults is yet another manifestation of a parasocial relationship people feel towards these young women.  “She must be protected” is a great impulse when you are concerned about minor children and the policies and coaching practices of authority figures who have power over them.  “She must be protected” when it comes to a public figure setting their own narrative opens yourself up to manipulation.

[dxfiedfxte]

So it did happen to be a semi-truck, Minato definitely didn't expect that, the fact that this guy actually managed to survive was baffling, no one should be able to survive a direct hit from a big rig semi-truck, let alone getting hit walking across the road, it was unbelievable. Soda must have had some weird luck of his own to make it out alive from something as serious at that, it was honestly pretty disappointing.

[{ 🦋 }] - "....Seriously? He actually survived a semi-truck hit on foot?"

From many of the incidents Minato heard in the news from time to time involving pedestrians being hit by something that large, most were killed on impact, out of all the people that somehow survived, it just had to be that guy. It was kind of ridiculous. While he never was usually the type to hope for someone to die, given all that Sonia had told him about her experience with Kazuichi Soda, he could make an exception this once, he was one lucky bastard regarding that. Human's would never normally survive something like a semi-truck, so what the hell made him so special?

[{ 🦋 }] - "Damn, that sucks." Realizing what he blurted out, he very quickly rephrased what he said, understanding that wanting someone dead, wasn't exactly kind, but who could blame him for thinking that about a stalker who practically obsessed over her, probably even to this day, at least Sonia never had to deal with him again since just like Minato, Sonia, was always on the go due to her many royal duties.

Still, though, lady luck seemed to choose to spare the wrong people sometimes. In this case, it just had to be someone like him. Minato secretly hoped the next time a car came barreling through him, that it would finally finish the job this metaphorical god was too scared to do. Although he wasn't too sure such a thing would ever happen, but a man could certainly dream, even it was a rather dark one.

[{ 🦋 }] - "--I mean, that's great, good that he survived.." A soft sheepish chuckle after his rephrasing.

He didn't want to sound like wishing for people to be dead was normal for him, but this Kazuichi, and as far as Minato was concerned, was one death he could definitely get behind. Maybe it was a bit rude? yet he didn't care. While he didn't like his stalker fans, he didn't wish death upon them, but they did need some serious help for this parasocial obsession they had with him, he wasn't sure which was worse, an overtly determine paparazzi that had little to no respect for privacy and personal boundaries, or a flock of crazy hyper obsessive stalker fangirls that chased him the very second they seen him.

When Sonia further elaborated a bit more on the details of her love life as a teenager, he nodded, understanding the feeling she mentioned., just as she guessed, he was also in a relationship during his high school years, quite a few of them actually.

[{ 🦋 }] - "Yeah, I get it. There was a girl I was dating too, at the time."

Minato certainly experimented with various different relationships at the time, but his longest lasting relationship had been with Fuuka Yamagishi, they had even continued to be together after graduation. Not to mention the cruel fate he had managed to survive with had also sparked certain emotions. Unfortunately, it had been his illustriously acclaimed career that would ultimately become the cause of that relationship to come to it's end. The first year after his career peaked the two had done well, it was the second year that would become it's undoing.

The constant traveling wasn't a big issue, at least not at the very beginning. He actually took Fuuka with him for most of the first season of his show, even appearing on camera herself a few rare times. It wasn't until Yamagishi further pursued her studies in preparation for her dream career in being a mechanic for modern technology and robotics when things began to take an unfortunate turn for their then, relationship. They seen each other less due to her studies and Minato's travel schedule, he had also began to let his fame get the best of him, too.

But by the time he finally stopped to get his head together, it had already been far too late, Fuuka was done. When the two when their separate ways, it hurt for quite some time, sending Minato into a deep depression, a dangerous thing especially considering the fact that malevolent spirits took a lot of pleasure in using the darkness of others against them, one of the many reasons why season three of his show had a lot of dark moments for the paranormal investigator in bright blue, that same season, he had not only managed to be heavily influenced by their emotional mind games a vast majority of times, but that same darkness had managed to get Takashi possessed.

Thankfully, Minato and Fuuka had managed to bury the hatchet and become friends again by the start of season four. Even though he was better now, there was still a very light pain when seeing her familiar smile and her face, although it didn't feel like he was being repeatedly stabbed by a switchblade in the heart anymore, it still hurt, but was more like a quick, sharp pinch now. Did he wish things could have been different? Of course he did, but in the end, if they were better friends, than he was still grateful to have her in his life even to a small degree. He just hoped he and Sonia's relationship would last, and not face a similar fate.

Takashi had offered to help play matchmaker, but there was no way he could ever love someone else as much as he loved Sonia Nevermind, his heart was chained to her at this point, this is why he still agreed to date her in the shadows, if it meant he had to continue to suffer in silence, then he would endure it all, anything for Sonia and him to survive.He wouldn't be able to handle it should their relation of three long years, going onto four come to an abrupt end.

Shifting his focus back to the contents of the theater's schedule listing, his excitement at the premise of being able to watch a classic slasher flick with inside the auditorium outweighed the more problematic thoughts, at least for the time being. He flashed her a warm smile as she expressed her eagerness to enjoy her favorite slasher with him inside a theater.

[{ 🦋 }] - "I can say the same, I've always wanted to be able to watch a movie inside a theater with you." He calmly beamed, sharing in this feeling with her. Overjoyed that this would be one of the things they would do here.

[{ 🦋 }} - "While we're, I'm gonna buy the tickets now." Since they were right here, with not many people around, he jumped at the chance to officially solidify this date within the next few days. Approaching the ticket person he took out his wallet.

[{ 🦋 }] - "Hey, two private class tickets to the Friday The 13th marathon, please." The young man in front nodded, bringing up the expensive charge. Minato paid the amount, then he was given two tickets with the date on it, thanking the man, Minato returned to Sonia's side, showing her what he had just purchased.

[{ 🦋 }} - "Check it out, babe! Now we're all set. Four days from now at six 'o clock pm." He eagerly informed, slipping the two private passes into his wallet for safekeeping.

[{ 🦋 }] - "I know what you mean. I haven't been to a theater in forever, so I'm glad it's with you, especially inside the safety of our own private box section without worrying about eyes on us from every direction, they even have a separate set of stairs for us." He already couldn't wait for that night a few days from now.

Returning to his tour, he knew exactly what to show her next, the Iwatodai Strip Mall since it was also a notable location from his high school days.

[{ 🦋 }] - "I'm gonna show you the strip mall. Not only is it a staple of my high school days, I also heard there's a holiday shop that opened a couple years ago. During November to December, it's a Christmas shop called the Holiday Hotspot and since it's October, right now their a Halloween shop called Freakish Frights."

He explained, very quickly grazing the back of her and with his, he had to stop himself from taking her hand as he continued to lead the tour. Off they went, walking past the escalators that led to the exit, they took a sharp turn to the left and there it was, The Iwatodai Strip Mall. The first place was a restaurant called Wild Duck Burger, next to it a few doors down was Bookworms, a Book store formerly owned by an elderly couple, of course after all these years, their daughter had taken over the business after those two passed a couple years ago, Minato had thankfully managed to visit them one last time.

Next to the bookstore was a spiral staircase a surrounding stairwell that led up to the second level with a larger assortment of shops including a candy story called Sweet Tooth, A Ramen hut, and Umiushi Beef Bowl. At the far end up top was the new store Minato had mentioned that was currently open with Halloween being the theme for the month.

[{ 🦋 }] - "Here we are, the Iwatodai Strip Mall. If you're hungry, we can grab some food, or we can go check out Freakish Frights. What do you think? We do have a lot of time, still."

There it was again: a use of slang that should've likely been terribly obvious to anyone that wasn't her. Sonia gave her boyfriend an awkward smile, doing her best to portray it as anything but. Maybe someone else wouldn't have gotten it wrong.

Maybe someone else would have introduced their boyfriend to their friends, their parents, their family. By now at least, considering how long they'd been dating. In secrecy of course, for her benefit and his. As much as Paranormal Quest's fans loved the legends explored and the ghostly experiences documented, Sonia wasn't naive. She knew quite a few of the fans tuned in partially for Minato, and to fantasize themselves as his partner. Hell, if she hadn't been in that exact position, she would've done the same. And it would have allowed for far less secrecy and a greater detachment from the reality they both lived in.

"Well, it was a semi-truck actually," Sonia confirmed for him, a bit embarrassed. The more she thought about it, the more ridiculous it was that he'd survived, albeit with quite a few bruises, scratches, and a scar or two. He'd insisted it made him look cooler to her, or at least appearing more like Gundham, but Sonia hadn't agreed on that opinion. "And no, it did not dissuade him. Rather, he likened himself to the boy I loved at the time but I took little notice. My heart was quite occupied at the time: I imagine yours was too, as a teenager."

That was a common trait for normal teens, wasn't it? To have an all-consuming love that ended with tears and broken hearts? Though Sonia suspected it was often due to changing feelings or schools instead of being thrust into a spotlight and role one's partner never asked for. Not when they fell for a girl and got a princess instead. Her heart hurt less now when she thought of Gundham Tanaka, but it still stung when she saw his smile. Not often bestowed, and even more poignant when it was directed at her so many years later. They'd never have a future together as a couple, but as friends they worked. But his disdain for the royal lifestyle, for being asked to give up his dreams and future to live in her shadow, forever several steps behind her for the rest of his life...Sonia couldn't deny that she feared Minato would react the same way. He, like Gundham, had built too much. Achieved too much. To want to let that go.

It was why her father had advised her in university to seek out a partner who was perfectly content to simply live in her light and success, to forge his entire existence in order to bolster her own. There were plenty of young men in high society up for the task.

If only she liked any of them even a fraction of how much she loved Minato Arisato.

Her hand fit easily in his as he helped her off the train. He didn't have to, they both knew it, but it was one of the few chances he could hold her and no one would question the gesture beyond it being polite. That, and seemingly the movie theater he showed her first. Sonia had to smile at that: he knew her well. It was a place she'd love even if it wasn't haunted. Movie theaters and bookstores, if just for the fact they contained all the stories she adored.

"I would like that, very much," She replied, looking up at the marquee and then to him. "It is a rare treat indeed to not only see a film in a theater, but with you." She followed him to observe the full list of titles and showtimes, her smile broadening at the list he read out.

"Goodness, our timing is impeccable then!" She exclaimed, seemingly forgetting what month it was and that many theaters were indulging in the genre the two of them enjoyed year-round. "That sounds like an excellent idea, Minato-kun," She agreed. Her eagerness overruled etiquette: she should've called him 'Arisato-san,' but if they were not to touch, or kiss, or even admit candidly how much they cared for each other, she'd at least call him how she wished to. "I have not seen them on such a large screen in many years! It is always a joy to watch them with you, but this time we shall be surrounded by like minded fans with some amount of privacy. What should we see in your hometown in the meantime, though?"

[nimbosaur]

There must be fans out there that are like "wtf" to the rest of the fans' actions right? Right????

As 0 alacrity put it while we were talking, by the way, they're the one also helping me have evil little thoughts.

Here's a tl;dr of it, but a pretty good think piece is under the cut.

So, basically YES. But being just "wtf" doesn't do enough. Spamton very much has asked for help and believed in the common sense of people to help him get out of this situation, but like in any fandom, while extreme fans are not the majority, they're the ones bold enough to act upon their desires and do horrible stuff.

That includes doxing, harassing and possibly harming people who oppose them, and usually people with good sense kind of keep away from that for a good reason. So while there's critique and attempts to help, no one really has managed to do much more than just that.

Buckle up because this one's kinda long but a very interesting read.

BIG NOTE: Spamton is a fictional character, it is not to be taken literally as a "parasocial" relationship with him. It is a Commentary about how people approach RL CELEBRITIES/YOUTUBERS/CONTENT CREATORS/ ACTUAL PEOPLE WHO ARE POPULAR.

We have to put this as a note because there is a problem with media literacy and self projection of consumers while ignoring the bigger problem/commentary.

" The thing is you have to think about in every fandom, it's not like the crazy fans are the majority, but they're the ones bold enough to act upon their desires.

And the question is "As a member of a fandom, or as a member of someone who likes this media that also participates are you a passive fan or an active fan?

By passive I ask this "you watch this, you say this is wrong, this is fucked, but you don't participate but you are a witness to these events. You know it's going on you know what's appropriate and isn't, but the question is: Would you step up? would you try to save your bias? are you going to be a part of the opposing numbers that say hey enough is enough and band together to show support and free your celebrities from the cages they're placed in? Or will you watch.

Many people want to say I'll act upon it but if look around us, you'll see that there are so many passive fans. There are so many bystanders, there are so many people afraid.

You may not contribute to the extreme actions that crazy fans take but the question I have is ...are you brave enough to regulate your own fanbase? Knowing that there is potential for harm.

There is potential being hunted for speaking up, there is potential you'll be left ALONE not cause people DONT agree with you but they're just as afraid as you to get involved, and at this point that's a question of asking, can you really say you don't contribute to the problem when you let shitlords like that take over fan spaces to dictate the general image of the thing you love to destroy the things you adore, to cling to the past?

Here's a question too? How much do other people let other fans get away with things and blame the celebrity instead. People view celebrities as figure heads, Spamton probably called out for help, he believed in his fans too. He still hopes and believes that too but when you reach out and you witness passive fans turning their backs, the few who speak out being taken under waves and drowned out by the voices of the nutcases, and the worst of them all, those that instead of helping blame the celebrity, anyone would lose hope.

And most reasonable people if we're being honest, don't want to fight with crazy people. Even the most well adjusted individual knows the difference between extreme worship/martyr complex actions and understanding that " hey, these people are CRAZY ENOUGH to imprison a single whole ass man, a powerfully popular whole ass man.

....

what is someone like me going to be able to do other than countless death threats and getting doxxed?"

you ever think about that?

Side note: I know this is going to be said and I'm going to address it early. If someone says "Am I the bad one for not acting?"

You make your own decision based on that. But the point is being missed if you are asking this and not looking at the overall issue of fan culture itself and who gets to speak out for the community you're a part of. If you choose to not say a word, that's on you and that's your choice and you should own it.

Own that not saying something when watching this does have an effect. Choosing to accept that affect in silence is your prerogative. Whether it's good or bad is Up. To. You.

But know that if you don't do anything and you don't like the result that occurs due to waving off your say. It's a choice you made to leave that in their hands, you have chosen to say "My choice doesn't matter"

[bossthebicon]

You know because I don't have Twitter and barely use IG, I never followed any of my favorite actors anywhere other than Tumblr. So I'd occasionally see a cute picture of them and smile. But last month, I started using IG more, followed a bunch of Thai actors and fan accounts, and I'm frankly blown away by just how freaking busy these guys are!! Like no wonder BLs have such crazy active fandoms. They're always being fed content. Every day, the artists are either doing some kind of promo for a sponsor, a fan meet, filming a new series or movie or variety show, doing a press circuit, doing photo shoots, going to weddings or birthdays, sometimes multiple events in a single day, etc. Their lives look utterly exhausting and like they're always on display! Honestly even their "play" looks like work because they're probably low-key promoting at least some of the restaurants/clubs/hotels/stores they're sharing in their IG stories. This much daily access to their lives really makes fans feel like they "know" the star, so the parasocializing in the BL fandom must be off the charts (except in places like Tumblr, cuz we're so chill). Anyhow, it makes sense that so many of their friends are fellow actors and hosts because they're all basically together all the time!

LMAO the content truly is endless, I started doing an off jumpol masterpost literal years ago at this point... and I don't think I'll ever be done with it bc I'll never possibly reunite every single interview, ad, event & ad that he has done... NOW HAVE THAT MULTIPLIED BY EVERY THAI ACTOR YOU LIKE LMAO! so yes, that's an extremely interesting point you make bc they're literally always working. like even when they're on holiday, they're busy taking pics for their ig (considering most thai actors are also influencers in their own rights) & even sometimes still doing sponsored posts. it must be extremely exhausting, and I also empathize with the gmmtv (or any other company's) staff that is there for all of it, especially considering I'm pretty sure work regulations in thailand aren't the best. but the staff don't earn millions a month & don't have recognition attached to their name, so that must be even harder. but I think the actors work really hard knowing that sadly the events & sponsored stuff won't last forever. once you get too old or your career start to decline, you lose all of that ad-based revenue as well. and spot on for parasocial relationships, we literally see them grow older day by day, it's insane!

xxx

[logicalstansadvice]

What are they even trying to achieve?

Seb has 0 history of dating fans. / I know this comes up often, the idea of fans doing things in the hope that somehow they will end up dating Seb whether it's trashing his gf or defending him. But I don't think that's what it is. I doubt many fans think that is ever going to happen no matter how much they fantasize about it. But it ruins their fantasy life when he has a gf. I know people are sick of seeing the word parasocial but I think that's what it is more than thinking they'll ever date him. With the haters, when you imagine romantic scenarios with someone, you do feel actual love for them eventually, even if it's someone you've never met. So when that stranger, that stranger you're in love with, gets a gf you feel as if you've been cheated on or left for someone else. You feel the same pain, devastation and anger you'd feel if you're RL partner was with someone else. It sounds crazy to someone who's never experienced it but the emotions are real. Or at least feel real. They do want to break Seb and Ale up, not so the fan can have him for themselves IRL but so they can return to their happy parasocial relationship. As for the 'mommies' defending him or calling out the vitriol spewed by some fans I don't think they hope they will ever date him either. Those are people who still love him, despite his mistakes or having a gf, and want to defend the person they love. I myself have pointed out people now criticizing him for things that a few years ago they loved about him and been called a mommy. I have zero hope that I will ever meet Seb much less date him.

I just wish we could all stop using the 'Seb is never going to date you' line when trying to have civil conversations with people about the things going on in this fandom.

Vamp: while I agree that some fans are acting like a "jilted ex", I must admit that both the hardcore nannies and the hardcore nonnies baffle me. Both extremes can be a little extra in their "intense" love or hate of this man.

In my world, as strangers, Seb doesn't require or warrant my unconditional love or hate.

[wellknownwolf]

I want to move into a new phase in my relationship with fandom, as I mature with new experiences. I'm not sure what exactly that looks like though. What is your take on the parasocial affection inherent in an RPF like Rhett & Link? Or even the deep attachments that can form with fictional characters? Or a desire to emulate fantasy worlds? I'm sorry if I've made you uncomfortable with all this, it's just that it's been a long time coming, and once I got started I couldn't stop. - Natasha (5)

First, let me post the full question, since it came in 5 parts:

Hey, it's me again. Your 'mystery inquirer', as you so adorably dubbed me. You're right, I had forgotten I'd sent in that ask. Just now, I couldn't help but think about a scene from Life After, as I am wont to on a frightfully regular basis, which is what got me back here. When you said you pondered over my seemingly simple, banal question for a good while, and wrote out a beautifully thoughtful answer like you always do, it made me happy.

Your narrative voice is similar to my own, and it made my chest ache in a certain way to have gotten such a response to what felt like a random shout out into the abyss (though it obviously wasn't, I sent it directly to you, I guess it's more what it felt like taking a chance on a conversation with a random stranger online). And now I'm cringing a bit at how melodramatic all sounds. But I'm committing to it, anyway. That's the beauty of anon, eh?

Wolfie (is it presumptuous to call you that? Please do forgive me the liberty I'm taking), I must admit. I'm quite envious of this community you have with @missingparentheses, @lunar-winterlude, and other wonderful people. Since childhood, I've been head over heels in love with fandom. Not a specific fandom, I've been a traveller through dozens, but fandom in general. I've read probably thousands of fanfics, spent countless hours daydreaming about beloved characters and their stories.

To the point where, in my most recent and worst depressive episode, it may have been for the worse, if I'm honest. Escapism and yearning to the point of impairment, engendering a sense of constant bereavement. But it's taught me so much about life and its wonders, I can't write it off as just some damaging habit. It's such an integral part of who I am, a deeply curious soul (shout out to my Enneagram Type 5-ers out there!). But I don't anyone to share it with, and it can get quite lonely.

I want to move into a new phase in my relationship with fandom, as I mature with new experiences. I'm not sure what exactly that looks like though. What is your take on the parasocial affection inherent in an RPF like Rhett & Link? Or even the deep attachments that can form with fictional characters? Or a desire to emulate fantasy worlds? I'm sorry if I've made you uncomfortable with all this, it's just that it's been a long time coming, and once I got started I couldn't stop. - Natasha

.....................................................................

Thank you for giving me so much to respond to, Natasha.  Thank you for continuing to reach out.   I accidentally wrote something like a paper in response to your thoughtful question.  I even conducted a little research and cited a source.  ENGLISH TEACHER, ACTIVATE!

Also, for what it’s worth, I feel at times that I communicate exclusively through shouts into the abyss, so it’s a language with which I am at home.  In fact, it is this very technique, this experiment with intense vulnerability at the hands of a virtual stranger, that earned me one of my absolutely most-treasured friends: @missingparentheses.  I have poured out a great deal of my own melodrama to her, and she has received it and reciprocated it in a way that, three years later, continues to teach me how to be a better friend.  In short, I’m a firm believer in diving straight in when it comes to new friends.  Cringe not; I’m on board.

So let’s dive.

R&L is really only the second “fandom” with which I’ve been involved.  Third, if we count my preteen obsession with ‘N Sync (and considering how much wall space I dedicated to their posters and self-printed photos, we probably should).  My point is, while I don’t have much experience with the community facet of fandom, I do relate to your feeling of near-obsession.  Or clear obsession.  

I know the feeling of escapism you’re describing, and I know the yearning and melancholy that can come on our worst days, where we feel like “real life” will never measure up to the color and brilliance of the worlds we spend so much time considering. These worlds, these characters and their relationships, their challenges, victories, and defeats all seem so purposeful: they’re the plot points we use to craft the stories in our heads (regardless of whether we’re writers at all).  It can be much harder to view ourselves as protagonists worth analyzing, viewing and reviewing through new lenses, perhaps because we’re warned against navel-gazing, perhaps because our self-perception just won’t allow for it.  Maybe a little of both.

But yes!  It teaches us!  We DO learn about life, other people, love, risk, all kinds of things through what we consume in these fandoms, so I would never classify it as a “bad” thing.  We hone our imaginations and learn to pay attention to our own emotions as we recognize feelings from our favorite shows, games, books, and characters arising in ourselves.  

I used to be a little afraid of the fact that I was always telling myself stories, internally imagining myself as someone else, a player in the worlds I often loved more than my own.  I suspected that someday, somehow, I would be caught playing pretend all the time in my own little ways.  I was a bright and ambitious young woman, so why would I give so much of my mental energy to such frivolous pursuits?

In my first semester of graduate school, though, I learned from a Lit. Theory professor who intimidated the hell out of me that we all do this.  We’re all telling ourselves stories all the time, some of which are true and close to objective reality, some of which are more subjective to whatever fantastical (or fandom) material we last consumed.  I’ve whispered my own dialogue in the shower, but so have you whispered yours in your head (if not also out loud in your shower!).  And through this act, however it is performed, I have made those worlds part of my own.  So have you.  In this way, they are real, and I no longer feel fearful of being “found out.”  

When we have those moments of doubt, though, when we wonder whether we’re going too far, it probably stems, at least partially, from the “us v. them” divide between fandom and mainstream society.  We love our little worlds, but we also feel that twinge of anxiety that we might be bordering on obsession, that our guilty pleasure might be discovered and we will be socially punished for it, namely, as Joli Jensen writes in “Fandom as Pathology: The Consequences of Characterization,” because “the fan is characterized as (at least potentially) an obsessed loner, suffering from a disease of isolation, or a frenzied crowd member, suffering from a disease of contagion. In either case, the fan is seen as being irrational, out of control, and prey to a number of external forces” (13). According the consistent covert (and overt, at times) messages of the mainstream, “[f]andom is conceived of as a chronic attempt to compensate for a perceived personal lack of autonomy, absence of community, incomplete identity, lack of power and lack of recognition” (Jensen 17).  Yikes.  That doesn’t feel good to admit about ourselves, does it?  

Luckily, it’s bullshit.

Treating “fans” as others (outsiders, people who can’t form relationships or find fulfillment in the “real world”) “risks denigrating them in ways that are insulting and absurd” (Jensen 25).  Those who take this stance, who see fans as victims of hysteria or desperate loners, do so in order to “develop and defend a self-serving moral landscape.  That terrain cultivates in us a dishonorable moral stance of superiority, because it makes other into examples of extrinsic forces, while implying that we [members solely of the mainstream] somehow remain pure, autonomous, ad unafflicted” (Jensen 25).  In short, that us/them thinking just makes people feel better about themselves by pointing out an easily-identifiable “other.”

 I have also grappled with the concept of parasocial affection, particularly with R&L.  I was well into writing my first Rhink fic when the thought crossed my mind, “Oh my god, what if I actually met these people someday?  How would I look them in the eye?  I’d feel like a crazy person (again)!”  From the safety of the Midwest, I laughed off the thought.  And then a year or so later, they were announcing their first tour. And I was still writing, here and there, still deep in my affection for them, sometimes wrestling with the thought that I’ve devoted so much energy to people who would never know I exist.  

It doesn’t matter that the attachment was in the most obvious, tangible ways only one-sided.  As an adult who is ever-learning how to navigate the worlds of her own creation and the ones over which she has far less control, I view my intense attachment to characters both real and fictional with deep fondness.   And while I may not receive affection or attention directly from the sources (R&L, fictional characters, sports teams, who/whatever we build fandoms around), I am still earning some very real rewards for my involvement: Because of them, I found my way to a participatory culture in which I was supported and encouraged to express my creativity.  This gave me the push and interest that I needed to hone skills that have not only made me a better writer, but also a better teacher and mentor.  With fandom comes the ability to immediately strike up a conversation over shared interests. With fandom comes a sense of belonging in what we have proven is an awfully divisive world.  

Right now, I’m consuming far less fandom-related material than I did a few years ago.  I don’t really watch GMM anymore and I’m on a break from Ear Biscuits (though I still love it), Gotham ended over a year ago and I’m not in the habit of reading fics right now, and I can’t yet play the remade Final Fantasy 7, so that’s out for me, too (though I know I will fall deep into that well once the game is in my hot little hands).  This all happened by itself.  I never consciously moved away from these sources; I just floated on to other interests and other levels of interest, knowing that if and when I wanted to dig back in, I could always come back.  

I used to feel quite sad at the thought of someday “moving on” from these intense interests.  I couldn’t fathom somehow falling out of love with those bands, actors, or video games.  But for me, the transition into wherever I am now has not been painful in the least.  I’m glad I knew the intensity that I did, and I’m happy with the distance I have now. And there’s a good chance I’ll be fanatic about something else someday.  I’m looking forward to it!

 Here are some responses that I couldn’t organically fit into my essay:

Yes, you can call me Wolfie if you’d like.  That name started with @missingparentheses (her second appearance in this answer!), and quickly became a reminder to not take myself too seriously.  

Second, I don’t think I know any other Type 5s!  I’m a type 8. 

Also, here’s my MLA formatted citation for the Jensen source:

Jensen, Joli. “Fandom as Pathology: The Consequences of Characterization.”   The Adoring Audience: Fan Culture and Popular Media, Routledge, 1992, pp. 9-29.

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