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cloutchaserkineme · 13 days ago

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bluebeard's racing partners

a.k.a.– the astrology of Max Verstappen's number two drivers.

Daniil Kyvat (3rd from left) never became Max's racing partner as it was his seat that was offered to Max after one year as a 17 y.o. dynamo on the track. However, since Max is also currently dating his baby mama, and has been dropping hints about retiring soon to focus on family, Daniil therefore faces constant, low-level emotional terrorism from this guy. That makes him an honorary wife in my books. Final girl energy, in its own way.

10:12 p.m. Nov. 3 2024 after the Interlagos driver's parade but before the race itself

A good teammate is a bit like a wife, I suppose. You are two people who share a house (equal machinery) and you work together as a unit until the end. But when you are driving alongside one of the best athletes in the sport of the moment, it is easy to feel neglected in your own house, to the point where you start looking for clues and try to break free. Max, for all he is a great driver, is not the best at team orders, and Red Bull would never give him team orders now, especially since he kicked up a fuss from the start, expressing his desire to go solo. Max is Bluebeard in that he kills the dreams of any of his partners who even dare attempt to sniff out his secret to being a world champion.

This post was inspired by two particular rookies whose fates are question-marked for next season. Namely, Liam Lawson- who confidently answered that he can handle* being given the other seat at Red Bull after this year- and Franco Colapinto, whose name is being passed around the paddock like a hot potato and is rumored to be poached by Christian Horner, the original dreamkiller and one of the many stirrers of the hot mess that is Red Bull Racing management.

These racers (aside from Pierre Gasly) do not have confirmed birth times, but Max's is good enough. So we'll see how their charts affected him, and what their planets/presence trigger in his chart.

This is also a quick and dirty read because I literally just started watching F1 a few weeks ago and I don't know how these people interacted with each other on their races or PR videos. But anyway.

Versainz / 3355 (2015-2016) 🏷️ An Arranged Marriage

Toro Rosso kiddos. Carlos was a good first teammate for Max, because Max based his racing style according to his. Sainz's Sun-Saturn opposition fell in his 10H-4H axis of foundation and career (and 10H being the house where Max's champion-status indicators are located.)

While he has 12H and 8H synastry with Max due to his Water placements, Carlos doesn't seem like he is at that interested at partner-building with Max as Max was with him, which would indicate that he was focused on a solo career. Add to that, RBR as a company is a very unstable Fire-Earth dominant chart, or a very Martial one depending on which is the inception for the current team. Carlos as a dependable, intuitive person would have made for a good friend for Max outside of the racing track, but not in it- RBR likes fire and chaos. Carlos is too much like Alain Prost** in that regard to ever shape up.

Carlos' Virgo Sun is on his Node, and they have Sun-Moon synastry with Max as the Moon person. All "breaking open" synastry, like how light gets in through a crack in the roof. It must have been fun to be teammates with Carlos if Max were not 17 and WDC-less at the time. Carlos would have liked chatting with Max too, if the talk wasn't limited to racing and race cars.

Max was partnered with Carlos when Saturn was transiting his 1H in Sagittarius- indicating a period of time when he was called to shape up and restrict himself, building a solid foundation (Saturn) to his racing (Mars in Sagittarius 1H).

(From left to right) Carlos Sainz, Jr., Carlos Sainz, Jos Verstappen, and Max Verstappen. Both Carlos and Max have natal Sun-Saturn oppositions, which is a common natal aspect found in legacy*** racers who had a father or a father figure who also raced, as both Sun and Saturn (and their conditions) represent the father in traditional astrology. However, Max's Sun-Saturn has less dignity than Carlos, and Carlos' Sun-Saturn makes direct aspects with his own father's Mars (racing), while Max's doesn't. I don't think Max looked to him as a parallel the way he does Charles, but perhaps he noted the difference between how Sainz Sr. and Verstappen Sr. raised and raced their boys.

Maxiel / 333 (2016-2018) 🐥 The Canary in the Coal Mine

Daniel Ricciardo. My baby, my baby. He is the only one of Max's partners that had Gemini placements sitting in Max's 7H of partners, marriage, contracts, open enemies, best friends, enemy- the person in front of him. No wonder that the PR stuff they did together has Max giggling like a kid freely and without weight- that's the closest thing he has to a big brother/bestie figure on the grid, even though Danny saw him as an enemy too highkey (Max's Mars in the derivative 7H of his Moon, Mercury, and Jupiter).

Again, he also has a Sun-Saturn opposition at the same orb as Max's previous teammate, but here it is even more dignified than Carlos'- Saturn is in its home sign of Capricorn, and his Sun's final dispositor is Mercury at home in Gemini, again, in Max's 7H of partners****.

I'm pretty sure Danny's the only one who won several grands prix while partnered with Max too. I'm still on season one of DTS, and they only show Max at his most teenage-self as he could ever be. The framing of the show puts him as this rookie that doesn't care about Daniel at all, which I don't think is true for the most part. I think he cared about Daniel the most, mostly because Daniel cared in return. And Danny's Leo Mars-Venus falls in Max's 9H of higher learning and philosophy- while Max might've imitated or looked to Carlos as a template, Daniel was in a mentor position to Max. Perhaps not as strongly as other influences in his life, but he got some life lessons from Danny's racing.

If there was ever a successful Maxwife, it would be him. But days after I got into F1, RBR announced and botched his departure from racing as a whole. That company does not like stability at all. They have pinned their hopes solely on Max, to the point of letting their cars and riders go because shit machinery or not, fucked teammate or not, Max is the championship clincher- he'll drive that thing home every time.

Gasly (2019) ✨ The Rebound

Could NOT cut it from the get go, I'm sorry. In some astrological traditions, sharing a Moon sign with someone (in a partnership context) indicates a sort of spiritual taboo, in the way that cannibalism and incest is taboo in modern society. Too much of the same temperament leads to disaster, because the people are just intensifying each other without the nuance and differences needed to make relationships work.

Now, put Pierre and Max's Virgo moons in an arm wrestling contest and Pierre would lose. Aside from the fact that his Moon does not vibe well with his racing planets (can't see Mars, opposite Saturn), Max's Virgo Moon is powered by Mercury exalted, and the North Node conjunct there too. Chewed up, spit out, with the marrow sucked from the bones.

It was a case of bad timing in Pierre's part. If he had been Max's partner a few years later, they would've vibed well, given that his Gemini rising and Saturn-ruled planets in theory would not clash with Max's chart. But as it is, their placements needed time to mature (such as now, with him mid-Saturn return*****, and Max firmly out of his own Saturn square).

2019 was also the same year that Pierre suffered a personal loss in the death of his friend Anthoine Hubert, who was racing in F2 at the time. It is not astrology's job to explain or justify grief and death- it is a method of keeping and tracking time through the stars. It just so happens that death, grief, loss, life, celebrations, and milestones are all tied to and given meaning because of time.

Albon (2019-2020) 🔔 La Belle Dame Sans Merci

Could Cut it Even LESS. It does not escape me that all three of the 2024-2025 Saturn return team right now (Albon, Gasly, and Sainz) have all been partnered with Max Verstappen during a weird point in Max's own life, and had all come out for the weirder.

When it comes to racing planets, all of Max's previous partners had their Mars in varying dignities- but Saturn, that old taskmaster, was only dignified for Daniel and Checo (both falling in Max's 2H of self-esteem, personal values, and money/own resources).

The Saturn in Pisces team had their planets of structure and foundation in Max's 4H of home, family, ancestry, and privacy. They provided him some sort of springboard or structure, or echoed some parts of his own childhood or his karting days to him.

Alex, however, was doing the most in Max's chart, with the least resources. While Daniel and Carlos' Sun-Saturn (and to a lesser extent, Gasly's Moon-Saturn) opposition echoed Max's karting background, and Checo and Danny both had strong Saturn as "older" brother figures on the track, Alex had no such common ground with Max to build true understanding with.

He cannot relate to Max in a way that translates to having his back on the track and understanding what to do when the going gets tough. Max might consider him familiar and friendly, might entrust him with some secrets, but due to his own experiences with that (namely, Jos Verstappen's Pisces-Taurus placements) he couldn't feel too safe around him to trust him as a teammate as much as he does the others, or GP.

Here, it is not a case of time and lack of maturity, but simple incompatibility. Alex was not suited to RBR style racing nor its management******- his temperament being more in the line of Mercedes or Renault, and yes, Williams. While I don't have his birth time, with his chart I can see some possible reasons as to why they didn't work (Alex might be a dedicated 6H person with the amount of pets he's had, or perhaps Max's placements fall in a cadent house in Alex's chart so he doesn't see Max the way he does other people).

Max was partnered with Ricciardo, Gasly, and Albon when he was going through his first Saturn square (Capricorn-Aries), indicating a period of hardship and personal challenges.

Alex's non-racing planets are in extremely good condition, and fall into Max's 6H of work, health, and daily routines. A bit fitting that they became partners during the pandemic race season.

Perez (2021-present) 🔑 "If I was to be Bluebeard's wife, I would've preferred to be the last..."

Saturnian longevity 🗣️🔛🔝🔥!!!

True to someone with an exalted Jupiter and who has just finished their Saturn return at this point, Checo is the luckiest bastard out of the all of the wives so far. He got the best of Max, as the previous years did quite a bit to soften the blow and refined this guy's particularly volatile chart. Max had already undergone Saturn transiting in his 1H, limiting his self-expression; the first Saturn square, limiting his own capabilities; and Saturn perfecting a conjunction to Jupiter (planet of luck) in his 3H of driving in December 2020-- which meant that Max was already familiar with that type of energy in December 2021.

Checo was, like most people who found themselves happily married partnered, in the right place at the right time.

Though he has the least social connection with him out of all the previous riders, with the majority of Checo's planets in succedent and cadent house of 2H and 3H, at this point, it does not matter. It was already clear to Max in 2021 that he would go at racing alone, and by this point he already had a partner outside of the grid******* fulfilling the Libra symmetry, and easing up the strain he felt in his Sun-Saturn opposition.

Conclusion:

If we were to Frankenstein Max Verstappen's ideal racing partner, they would have to be:

a Gemini (flexible and smart enough to match his racing freak and go along with him on his journey);

not have too many Mutable placements (support him but never get in his angular houses way);

strong Mars or Saturn (an innate fighting spirit which lasts well beyond one race);

and a Sun-Saturn opposition (you have to either be born to the sport/a literal child of the races OR trigger his daddy issues. It sounds crass but it is true).

No one at the grid currently hits all of these requirements at the same time, which is a shame. The one who gets the closest, however, is Franco Colapinto, who has a natal Gemini Sun-Saturn conjunction, with North Node conjunct his Sun. Along with a peregrine Mars and Saturn condition*******.

He would be fun to race with in equal machinery, considering that Max hasn't had a chance to do that with anyone else who had NN conjunct their luminary (Alonso being the only other racer on the grid, with Leo Sun and NN). Franco is lighthearted and adept in the F1 The Event, more so than F1 The Sport, but that's because he doesn't have any skin in the race so far. Were he put in an RBR next year… well. North Node is a hungry point. We might see something yet.

BONUS: My ranking of which 2025 F1 rookies would survive a season being Max Verstappen's racing partner, from best to worst:

Franco Colapinto - doesn't have a seat yet as of the time I posted this. But come on. There's no fucking way he's not getting that last mysterious seat now that Sauber's given the other Gemini the boot*********. IDC if it's in a tractor, that boy has pace behind him! Even when Jupiter goes into Cancer and leaves his Gemini placements alone he'd have that pileup near his Moon... get him in there! See what happens!!!

Liam Lawson - Saturnian with dignified Mars. The only reason he is behind Franco is because he had fewer significant Gemini placements. Would make a good teammate on the track, but not so much for PR because both he and Max are too alike in temperament and not wanting the cameras to be anywhere when they are having fun.

Jack Doohan - Capricorn with Fire placements. Would put up a fight if he doesn't try too hard. Capricorn energy when mixed with fire tends to be impulsive to a fault, which is good for reaction time on a speedy track with Max hot behind your wheels but not when you're just a rookie going in here for the first time.

Kimi Antonelli - Virgo-Leo stellium. Too much mutability and not enough pace... he would fade in the background of Max's performance. He would be good, great even, but he would go the way of Carlos, except weaker since he doesn't have the Water trine that made Carlos work well with Max in the first place.

Gabriel Bortoleto - Libra stellium ruled by fallen Venus. Would not even register as a competitor on Max's radar on the track, because there is no direct aggression there. There's tactics and strategy, but not initiative, not the need to shove someone over. Also, I think Max (and at a lesser degree, Charles) would hate him off track for some reason lmao, Venus is fallen in Virgo and the requisite karma it gets when the person hates women, or adornment, or connection, or marketing is big. Like he really should watch out for his PR because that's a lot of his planets that's tied to a highly-criticized and critical Venus. And if he has a night chart, where Venus isn't dignified by term or decan? Oof. But I digress.

Ollie Bearman - Taurus stellium much like Yuki Tsunoda. He is stubborn but not aggressive. Max wouldn't even eat him alive, he'd just keep passing him.

(30) Nov. 13 2024 10:42 pm because I finally got a long break from whatever the past few weeks were and now I get to breathe

*The sheer balls on this kid makes me think he has the potential to be bitten by the racing bug. But it's still too young to say- he hasn't yet finished this season, and he shares a lot of patterns with the other partners on this list, who ended up crashing and burning under the pressure of partnering with Max.

**Alain Prost was bitten by the racing bug, at least. While they have the same engineering/behind-the-engine-cover strategy, Carlos doesn't want to win as badly as Alain did, and he will never use his nerdery to push himself to the limits as far as The Professor did, or how Mad Max does.

***I want to call them nepobabies soooo bad because it rolls off the old internal speech tongue, but they have a different connotation than when the term is used to refer to kids of artists. Great artistry, people believe, can be trained, with talent popping up occasionally, while athleticism is a genetics game as much as it is learned skill, and is usually inherited. And with F1, being an old boys' sport, money is also a factor. I don't know the background or history of nepotism in different fields (such as manual labor or sciences-- or the subversion of it, such as when Ada Lovelace invented the first computing system because her mom didn't want her to grow up as morose and romantic as her father, Lord Byron) but it would be such a good case study. As of now, I'm limiting it to F1 racers. And I'm still not finished with that particular Excel page.

****Pending Daniel's ascendant point, I do believe purely on a ship-wise level, Daniel would be a better ship for Max than Charles. Charles is Venusian pretty and that's why he has babygirl syndrome- but he is a true Martial menace, he just loosens the reigns on his monstrous personality on the track instead of outside of it, which is a huge part of why Max respects him. But Max doesn't like attracting chaos outside of the track (Charles' Scorpio 1H is a magnet for attention), and seeks meaningful one-on-one connection with others, hence Sim Racing, his girlfriend, his family. Daniel is the true softie, for all that he is/was dedicated to his career. His most personal placements are making aspects to Max's non-racing planets without compromising his own masculinity, and that indicates a more stable relationship, or at least a more emotionally fulfilling one.

*****There was a pileup of Virgo placements in Pierre's 4H of family and hometown opposing his 10H Saturn (career building) at the time, while Max had those same transits supporting his championship indicators. If I recall correctly, Charles also won a race the day after Anthoine died, when this pileup was in his 11H of dreams, opposite his 5H of childhood. This part of their astrology won't mean the same for others who have the same placements and transits, but 2019 was a harrowing year for their group, as it were. But now, Pierre is in the middle of his Saturn return, and his story is tied to friendship- winning double podium with Esteban in Brazil, five years after his maiden podium at the same place.

******Alex has a beautifully stacked chart, going by normal person standards (racing standards less so). He is too well-rounded as a person, as vulnerable to the racing bug as salt is to ants, to ever be as aggressive as is needed to survive there. RBR likes a bit of daring and unconventional temperament in their driving (and proximity to whiteness in their racers), because they do not make typical cars. They're not a car company. They are dependent purely on faith, money, glory-seeking engineers, Max Verstappen not contracting an illness for the whole year, and a few minutes in the wind tunnel to win races. They are an energy drink company who happens to have a racing team. Alex would've been a good racer in the 80s, possibly, especially under Williams back then, but not with these cars as they are now. However, the sustainable fuel and requisite engine change in the next few years will make a significant difference- Hamilton and Vettel got most of their wins in unconventional/"washed" teams after they switched to hybrid engines, so who knows.

*******Contrary to whatever dudebro sports gatekeeper would say, women actually bring a lot of clout to F1. Women have brought a lot of clout to sports festivals and tournaments since time immemorial, but for F1 as an example, a racer being in a relationship with women (which show up commonly as wives and girlfriends, and on the rare occasions as mothers) trigger a podium, a victory, an additional sponsor, or a milestone. I'm not saying the racers need to partner up in order to win, or that women's sole contribution to motorsport is to be the girl on the sidelines waving their favors, I'm saying that Venus is still the ruler of F1 the Event, and the racers who respect/adore/venerate women in their lives tend to have an easier go of it on the track (although technically, this is true in every aspect of life according to sociological research in the past decade but let's focus on WAG culture here. also more women are watching F1 now... hello). Sure it could be coincidence that Max won his first WDC after he got together with Kelly Piquet that same year, or that Lewis lost the 2016 championship to happily wifed-up Nico the same year he broke up with long-term on-off girlfriend Nicole Scherzinger, or that Alonso won his last WDC when he was still married to his first wife Raquel del Rosario, or that Vettel started F1 the same year he dated his childhood sweetheart-now-wife Hannah Prater, or that Checo's performance and sponsors suffered after the cheating allegations on his wife Carola Martinez- but I would much rather believe the whimsy, as it were.

********The best chart to have as an F1 racer is to have either one of your racing planets be peregrine, and the other in detriment, OR to have both peregrine and have an otherwise Cardinal-led chart, OR have the benefics support your fallen racing planets. Otherwise, good synastry with your teammate and racing team will lead to consistent podiums. A good chart + good synastry will lead to championships.

*********Had they given you the time of day to talk as equals you would've been the best in PR management and yapping at cameras, darling Zhou. I understand you can't get on camera as much due to family business but come on. Racism really won't let us have it all.

#f1 #astrology #max verstappen #maxiel #versainz #i might do the hamilton/leclerc synastry after this to catch a glimpse of their 2025 season #rmmbr when i said that charles and max have parallel charts? yeah charles does not have the mentality of a number 2 driver #and neither does lewis to be fair but he has more experience in being a good and worse teammate than the both of them.#also can some of the astrogirlies figure out the exact birth time of the rest of the people on the grid #it sucks only knowing the frenchmen + charles nando and max's charts for this... im tired of their houses #show me an aries rising driver pls. pls pls pls #also jesus. nicole scherzinger is a disappointment to all filipinos. you were one of the only dark skinned wasians on the global stage girl #and you're a trumpie... typical OFW wasian things sorry huhuhu #lily he really is the only wag i still trust on the paddock

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