#Obito did his best and his Madara persona is so menacing

[evilkitten3]

#uchiha madara#uchiha obito#senju hashirama#my experience about Japan is just from 2 year high school Japanese lesson#so yeah so sorry I am admittedly clueless about Japanese culture#also my “bad actor” statement is also an overstatement joke#Obito did his best and his Madara persona is so menacing#I still think that Madara is not a Tsundere tho#except his shy bladder and when he called Hashirama as his enemy on the river#but then again his dad and lil bro PLUS Hashirama's dad and lil bro were present#I don't think he can display his high opinion toward Hashirama any clearer#while expressing zero bitterness toward Hashirama despite their history#I think he only had bitterness toward Hashirama on Tobirama or Izuna related#unlike Obito's admiration layered bitterness toward Kakashi is not only because Rin loved Kakashi#again this is just my interpretation#again#Please don't mind me I reblog your post with an essay#op i'm. so sorry for what i've done to your post

dw i've been studying japanese for over a decade now (on and off and only sometimes in classes when available; my knowledge is kinda all over the place lol)

i figured some of what you said was joking, i made a few jokes too (you will in fact not go immediately to hell if you speak impolitely to your teacher. that's not actually true i made that up sorry)

i would agree that madara isn't a tsundere - i usually only see that being said as a joke in fandom, not super seriously (and mostly in english-speaking fandom; from what i've seen of japanese fan content, it's somewhat more popular to have madara (again, in an overexaggerated joking manner) be closer to a yandere).

obito addressing hashirama by his title isn't anything strange for the role he's playing, but as you said (and as i found while looking for raws of the volumes i don't own last time), the real madara pretty much only ever calls him hashirama. i can't vouch for what the raw of that panel says bc i don't own that volume and i couldn't find a pic of that page specifically online (i tried tho i spent like an hour hunting for it before giving up DX)

WAIT NO I FOUND IT HOLY SHIT THAT TOOK FUCKING FOREVER

unsurprisingly, it's pretty similar to the english version. but again, that's pretty par for the course. concerning the tobito panel, that's also in one of the volumes i don't have (i'm missing most of the swirly mask tobi volumes actually, it's very sad - he pops up very briefly in volume 45, but the only shippuden volume i have before that one is 37 which is before tobi is relevant enough to be listed as a main character, and like the majority of the naruto volumes i own they're in english bc i got them from my brother after he lost interest instead of buying them at kinokuniya like i do now lol), and this time i really couldn't find the image on the internet. so it's a mystery until i get that volume, unless someone else has the raw.

i actually have my own theory about kishimoto's original plan for the character of tobi (tho i will firmly state that it's been clear that obito was involved since volume 43 which is the first time we really get a glimpse of tobito's face) but i'm going to stop now bc i've been typing for two hours and it's lunch time and i'm hungry so sorry for anything i didn't address but if i don't eat food soon i'm going to explode and none of you have giant snakes to sacrifice to protect yourselves ok bye

im so mad we didnt get to see madara!obito interact with hashirama

obito absolutely fucking dedicated to his roles having to do that weird fight flirt eye fuck thing with the dude his like great great grandpa spent months talking about in that cave:

[huskymaine]

First, thank you for your informative reblog! There are so many Japanese details that I didn't notice and I truly have fun knowing that

Second, I will shamefully admit that some of the things I said in that post are exaggerated jokes which I hope no one take serious 🙏 Like, I myself don't believe that Obito is truly the pinnacle of politeness, even his kind young version. I am making dig on zetsu claim that Tobi is a good boy combined with despite him portraying as Madara, Hashirama's close friend, there are subtle hints that Obito talked about Hashirama more awkwardly like someone who knew the guy from second-hand source and textbook rather than knowing Hashirama personally. For example, this panel :

This dialogue is supposed to be a personal reminiscence full of emotion and memories, yet using "The First Hokage" is for me a weird choice to use by close friend (lemme know if I am wrong and Obito used "Hashirama" instead in the raw). Compared with how the real Madara spoke about random fact about Hashirama, using his name straightforwardly, in front of a random Konoha citizen boy from years after Hashirama's death.

Like, re-reading manga after the reveal is so cool to me because with this discrepancy I can notice which "Madara" truly knew Hashirama personally and which "Madara" sounds like parroting details that he learned. From the "Year of Kakashi" fiasco I know that despite some fans called it retcon, Tobito plot twist was planned by Kishimoto since the beginning but I am amazed with how Kishimoto sprinkle some hints while writing dialogue for two people that was claimed to be one person for years. But perhaps I am just over-analyzing.

When it comes to Madara's feeling to Hashirama, this is my personal opinion of course, but for me Madara weirdly had no display of any hurt feeling toward Hashirama. Like, we know that Obito didn't blame Kakashi for Rin's death, but by his bitter tone, and the beating to Kakashi, it's clear that the fact that Rin was dead in Kakashi's hand HURT him immensely and he briefly showed it to Kakashi. Naruto cried on VOTE1 when he knew that Sasuke seriously tried to kill him. But Madara greeted Hashirama on 4th Shinobi War with no hard feeling despite their last memory together is Hashirama stabbing Madara in the back. Like, again it's my personal take but I truly don't think that there's complicated feeling or admiration layered with bitterness in Madara like it exists in Obito, or even some in Naruto and Sasuke. But yeah I agree with you that despite my joke I also don't think that Madara will correct Obito about this, they were comrades heading toward delusional land together 🤣

As for "skipping stones" symbolism, I got influenced by my own language hehe, because in my area you call two people who can't agree with each other especially if one is rigid and the other is flexible/casual as "Rock and Water". I think it's more appropriate symbolism for Kakashi and Obito while "Oil and Water" is more appropriate symbolism for Hashirama and Madara (because one is fuel for fire and one is fuel for plant). Hencewhy I am making jokes about their dynamic symbolism contrasting with Madara and Hashirama's history with "rock and water" plus Obito's habit to use "oil and water" phrase on his childhood days, when he pretended to be Madara, and even after his death. Now I see how that joke can be confusing 🙏

Lastly, again sorry for mixing up Naruto timeline, somehow it just dawned on me that Tsunade probably never met Madara. Why is Naruto timeline so confusing T_T

im so mad we didnt get to see madara!obito interact with hashirama

obito absolutely fucking dedicated to his roles having to do that weird fight flirt eye fuck thing with the dude his like great great grandpa spent months talking about in that cave: