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Just a cute reminder from Rock Lee & his ninja pals that one of Kakashi's greatest fears is... a matchmaker

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Ooh this is good! Pardon my intrusion but I can immediately imagine their conversation in my head

ANBU Kakashi : Maybe I better just surrender to them....

Jounin Kakashi : But you won't, because we still have a job to watch over the future

Kid Kakashi : can we finally manage to beat them?

Hokage Kakashi : Of course we do, in the future we are happy and at peace don't you worry

(the hands below imo symbolized his depression)

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Kakashi and Sasuke fic Idea

Just wanting to share my very elaborate prompt that I think overnight before real life catches me and I forget about them.

The premise : because of Minato's seals/Orochimaru's shenanigans both Kakashi and Sasuke got blasted with a jutsu that made their past selves appear.

Kakashi's selves = Kid Kakashi pre-Sakumo's suicide - Chuunin Kakashi - ANBU Kakashi - Jounin Kakashi - Hokage Kakashi

Sasuke's selves = Kid Sasuke pre-Massacre - Genin Sasuke - Hebi Sasuke - Taka Sasuke - Blank Period Sasuke

Still have no idea about the plot, just their interaction :

Kid Sasuke and Kid Kakashi :

Kid Sasuke is more reserved than kid Kakashi and kid Kakashi while often being bold is not the type to make friend first so at first I think they will quietly sit while internally freak out on seeing their scary and messy future selves

Yamato makes shuriken-throwing arena for them to play and they see how the other are very good and start to compete

Many bullseyes later they move to sparring. Kid Sasuke acknowledges that Kid Kakashi is a genius but still pales in comparison to his best brother Itachi while Kid Kakashi acknowledges that Kid Sasuke is a genius but he AND his brother are still no better than his best father Sakumo.

Getting stirred up, they start to use ninjutsu. Kid Sasuke uses Fireball and Kid Kakashi uses Mud Wall to counter that but suddenly Kid Sasuke cancels his Fireball. Kid Kakashi asks why and Kid Sasuke answers that in Kid Kakashi's Mud Wall there's a dog and Kid Sasuke doesn't want to hurt it

Kid Kakashi reassures Kid Sasuke that the dog is just a sculpt based on real dogs in his home. Kid Kakashi starts to talk about his father's dogs and his future summon dogs while Kid Sasuke starts to talk about cats in Sora-ku and his game from Itachi to get their paw prints. They get into heated debates about which is better, cats or dogs

Someone (Yamato or Naruto or Sakura) brings them to pet shop then both Kid Kakashi and Kid Sasuke collectively agree that cats and dogs are all good and fluffy

Even though they have good time and everyone is so nice except their own future versions, they actually kinda feel afraid and don't like to be thrown into a world so unfamiliar to them. But both Kakashi and Sasuke absolutely believe that soon Sakumo and Itachi will pick them up and bring them home, preferably on piggy-back ride. So they conceal their distress, determined to be good boys and patiently wait for their most loved ones' appearance. No one dares to ruin it for them.

Genin Sasuke and Chuunin Kakashi :

HATE their naive kid version, wanting to jump on them when the (younger kids) start to discuss how Itachi and Sakumo are the best humans ever if not for Hokage Kakashi and Blank Period Sasuke's interference.

Genin Sasuke expresses envy that someone same age/younger than him is Chuunin already while Chuunin Kakashi remarked that Genin Sasuke is better than a stupid Uchiha he knows a.k.a Obito so he should be Chuunin already, that Konoha's new rule to disallow early graduate is stupid and he is glad that he's born earlier than Sasuke so he never experienced that rule.

Genin Sasuke (in tsundere mode) complained despite his age, Chuunin Kakashi is more reserved than his loud teammates and started to talk about them, Chuunin Kakashi said that Genin Sasuke's inferior teammates held him back (to be fair Chuunin Kakashi doesn't understand nuance and thought that Genin Sasuke's very-not-flattery description is Sasuke's true feeling) and he should dismiss/ignore them. Genin Sasuke actually gets offended and defends Naruto and Sakura.

Chuunin Kakashi reluctantly apologizes for his harsh words but then he says that if Sasuke wants to completely focus on his mission, he should not get attached too much to his teammates because there's the possibility that he must sacrifice them. Genin Sasuke does not like that and says that he gets stronger because he doesn't want any of his precious people to get hurt ever again.

Genin Sasuke also says that Kakashi a.k.a his Jounin Sensei is the one who most wants him to treasure his teammates and never abandon them. Genin Sasuke says the famous “In the ninja world, those who don't follow the rules are trash. But, those who abandon their friends are even worse than trash” quote and Chuunin Kakashi gets completely flabbergasted on why the hell his future self says something like that. But then he also remembers Obito and Rin and (denies to) kinda miss them.

Both Genin Sasuke and Chuunin Kakashi feel kindling spirit and logically want each other as teammates so they can train and improve better but in their hearts they can feel that teaming with someone so coldly similar and not bright personality like Naruto/Sakura and Obito/Rin will make them less happy

I also imagine that Chuunin Kakashi is in the middle of developing Chidori and Genin Sasuke is in the middle of learning Chidori so they can talk about their half-finished Chidori (I have no idea how to handle curse mark stuff tho)

Hebi Sasuke and ANBU Kakashi

Hebi Sasuke is VERY ANNOYED to suddenly be back in Konoha when he had important stuff to do (in the middle of the recruiting team) and ANBU Kakashi is more bothered by the fact that his future self becomes Hokage and not, like, died soon.

Hebi Sasuke tries to escape and ANBU Kakashi is one of people who tries to stop him. Hebi Sasuke sneers that ANBU Kakashi butts in on a matter that doesn't concern him while his future version is not bothered to join Team 7 on Tenchi Bridge mission. ANBU Kakashi agrees that Hebi Sasuke's matters are not his concern but his job at ANBU is to stop and eliminate nukenin like Hebi Sasuke.

Hebi Sasuke (denies) feeling a little bit upset that a Kakashi sees him with such cold eyes and lethal intent but convinces himself that if Kakashi tries to kill Sasuke, Sasuke can and is willing to kill Kakashi, despite his non-lethal policy and overall (denied) unwillingness to seriously kill his teammates

ANBU Kakashi sees Hebi Sasuke's Chidori and asks if his future version taught him that. Hebi Sasuke confirmed it but also said that he shouldn't take too much credit because his version is superior and listing all the things he did with Chidori post-leaving Konoha. When ANBU Kakashi hears that Sasuke used Chidori to ram Naruto's chest a.k.a Sasuke's teammate a.k.a Minato's son he lets out a self-depressing laugh that makes even Hebi Sasuke concerned

ANBU Kakashi actually doesn't object to Hebi Sasuke's decision to leave Team 7, but on the premise that Hebi Sasuke is dangerous and full of darkness (on Kakashi's perception) so his decision to isolate himself and throw his life for his mission is correct

"It's okay for you to give your life on your revenge mission, but you should die alone" at this point Hokage Kakashi and Blank Period Sasuke choose to separate them.

Or maybe this ANBU Kakashi already has Itachi on his team so he feels disbelief but also responsible?

All angsty scenario aside, ANBU Kakashi is impressed with Kirin actually

Taka Sasuke and Jounin Kakashi

No one has a good time in this segment. Taka Sasuke tries to kill Jounin Kakashi for "stealing" Uchiha's eye, Hokage Kakashi because, well, he's Hokage, AND Hebi Sasuke because Taka Sasuke has a very deep self-loathing

Blank Period Sasuke has full authority to subdue Taka Sasuke and I think they will have a talk about their perception of Uchiha, Itachi, dan Konoha

Hokage Kakashi contemplates letting Taka Sasuke kill Homura and Koharu to pacify him (I am not hardcore anti-Konoha but I really don't like the fact that they are still alive on Boruto)

Jounin Kakashi's last memory of Sasuke is him teaching Chidori so he's understandably unprepared to receive Sasuke's hate. When he learns about Uchiha Massacre I think he will be surprised and feel sad for Itachi but not really shocked

Jounin Kakashi contemplates telling Taka Sasuke about how he received his Sharingan but he wonders whether he will make things worse. Plus he very very doesn't want to do that, or overall idea to tell anyone about his past experience. Blank Period Sasuke sighs at this, thinking that more openings from an adult in his life will greatly help him, but understands why Jounin Kakashi is like that

Jounin Kakashi asks Hokage Kakashi how much he will fail from that point on, why the fuck he became Hokage, and what happened to Obito's eye while Hokage Kakashi can just reassure him that everything will be better in the end

I think there will be very little interaction between Taka Sasuke and Jounin Kakashi because interaction between a misunderstood teen and a closed-off adult is bound to be disaster, so with them there will be more of their interaction with their (weirdly peaceful) future selves.

Hokage Kakashi and Blank Period Sasuke

Their messy past selves manifest in their era so they start to ponder what deity they offend for that, and their overall misfortune in their whole lives

I think they will look at their innocent kid versions and feel weird yet soft and mournful

Hokage Kakashi (and Team 7) sees like 80% of Sasuke's versions so Sasuke has little qualms about Kakashi (and everyone) seeing his multiple versions, but Kakashi's multiple versions are 70% carefully hidden by him so the fact that all of them are exist for everyone to see made Hokage Kakashi lowkey horrified and little ashamed.

I planned on more interaction between each versions like Hebi Sasuke with Chuunin Kakashi or Taka Kakashi with ANBU Kakashi but overall those are ones that I can imagine clearly in my head.

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I think in a way this is their first (semi) meeting, on their ninja school entrance ceremony.

Gai's little side-eye is so cute, looks like the first impression didn't go too well XD Also based on his body language I think Kakashi knew Obito beforehand?

Then I assume that in their academy era, they got chummy enough to greet each other, particularly Gai with his cheerful trademark.

Heaven knows what happened after they became genin but after they got assigned into teams Gai seemed to solely focus on Kakashi despite being on a different team while Obito saw Gai as intruder.

And apparently at some point Gai got all forgot about Obito?

But Gai is not the only one who commits that sin here like Obito in your perfect world do you have memory issue because of the boulder? Where's Gai? Iruka is not your classmate! you killed his parents btw

Also I think Obito had some petty beef with Gai because why you opted to take him out first before 2 Jinchuurikis and "Rin's killer"?

So looks like when Kakashi existed between Obito and Gai they greeted, they chatted, but when Kakashi was out of picture it was as if they had erased each other's presence from their world. I think even in their childhood those two emulate this meme.

Now I understand so much why lil Kakashi felt so tired around them. Kakashi is an introvert by nature and introvert's biggest nightmare is not only the idea of them around loud people. But especially being THE BUFFER.

I love them, they are so silly ahahah

We should talk more about the relationship between Kakashi, Obito, and Gai

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Kakashi_ Sukea

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;Could not pass up and not draw this character Sukea  (ﾉ⊙ヮ⊙)ﾉ ~♥

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© Original character Hatake Kakashi and Naruto Universe by Masashi  Kishimoto  ♥   © Art by kanzzzaki

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They did? I unfortunately once stumbled upon a Kakashi hater who said that he's "constantly crying for middle-school melodrama" but I don't know that haters also bashed him for... not crying with his own eye? I mean, there's no way people REALLY think that Kakashi doesn't feel sad about Rin's death?

Studio Pierrot really disappoints me in many points, such as making Kakashi cry only for Obito's Sharingan when Rin killed herself.

"Ah, but that's silly! A simple detail doesn't change anything."

Yes, maybe it doesn't change much visually, but it takes a lot of the weight off the scene. The context is where Rin takes her own life at the hands of the man she loves, removing Kakashi crying out of both eyes (exploding his emotions, which he has already shown to struggle with) is basically erasing the development he had! It's acting like he doesn't care about Rin...

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Okay, this is long and since English is like my third language I am not sure if I can cover all my points, but here we go : 

from the video above genin children working adult’s job weird era of peace, no age limit

I don’t know how that video above shows genin children working adult’s job because in that video only adults who works and no matter how talented Boruto is, he can’t graduate from Academy yet before 12-13, unlike Itachi and Kakashi in the past.

so that video means nothing as it expected after so much loss people would switch to different way of life style when you can not maintain your shinobi lifestyle similar to japan after ww2 but yet we don’t know what kind of laws and regulation and age limits hokage placed on like they used to do in shinobi rank.

That video is a mere observation of current worldbuilding, to show that their world is changing post-war. The post explicitly shows the difference between new era and old era and how kids on new gen is infinitely safer than kids on Naruto’s era and Kakashi’s era, I don’t see how acknowledge that means that the video means nothing? We don’t need the franchise to bare their constitution or other complicated politics, Naruto and Boruto are after all shounen shows with kids as their demographic intended audience.

academy students don’t have to be a ninja its natural because most of the skilled fighting shinobi died there are no one to entrust like iruka did to naruto and feudal lords investing more on other sources as lack of old skilled shinobis in the village from recent novel naruto retsuden, but what about age limit for these courses, as we know ninjutsu can be dangerous, only chakra or ninshu are harmless

You seem to have assumption that age limit doesn’t exist on new era, then why Himawari hasn’t been a ranked shinobi on latest chapter even though she already unlocked Byakugan on The Day Naruto Became Hokage? In Itachi and Kakashi’s era Himawari would definitely be pressured to be shinobi. But in current era she doesn’t, nor her friends.

you said about academy student but what about some very skilled shinobi especially in adult age can they gave up being ninja suddenly or will be punished we don’t know, never showed deeply, in what term they can quit being a ninja, there can be exception, we know hokage has the ultimate authority, he can decline anyone’s request, so no fair or legal rights for them has shown and can they leave the village permanently?

In the video, many adults quit being shinobi and use their ninjutsu to be firefighter or mailman or even actor. “Punished” “term” “exception”, maybe they don’t show them because they don’t exist? Sasuke is currently away from village for a long time and the Hokage Naruto is fine with just seldom sporadic hawks message. Kakashi and Gai are were in the hot spring and Kakashi told the Hokage to not call him because he was resting. Even on Sarutobi’s era Tsunade can dip out for good and there’s no ‘punishment’, ‘term’, etc, only Jiraiya hunter her because Konoha was in crisis after Orochimaru’s invasion and he didn’t want to be Hokage.

former ninja can be mean who used to fight in war, as i said most ninja population died, no wars no mission no profit so they switch to different professions even in dark era many used to do non shinobi works, it’s not a big deal, i don’t understand why do they even need shinobi culture, it should have been banned creates police and especial military for inside use who will not be stationed in only konoha but in whole land of fire and border police and especial ninjutsu fighter to counter aliens, this is why all shinobi villages should turn into like hot spring village named yugakure

Wait, I don’t understand, what shinobi culture does they maintain? Ninjutsu are no longer used for killing. Chuunin exam is now just a friendly match between countries with more secure land and equipment (except from aliens). You want all villages to be hot spring?

ninjutsu usage is not the problem here because dark times they used to do so but it did not generate much profit for which they can not sustain shinobi lifestyle now that they are less shinobi and you hashirama cells like many miracles its easy for one person to use without many shinobi, what kind of law regarding it, can shinobi used for their personal trade or can they sell it to other village , did hokage give these people freedom operating freely is the main issue that needs to highlight not through other’s dialogue

The video shows people use ninjutsu freely now. There’s also ninjutsu scroll beam in Boruto movie for civilian. Those things are clearly under Hokage’s permission and while Naruto disapproved the use of ninjutsu scroll beam for tournament, especially in secret like Boruti, Katakure is not punished nor lost his job.

restrain in what manner or term, in what conduct, we have seen ryogi like rogue kekegenkai kid sent to prison who was victim yet shin clones go to orphanage but they try to kidnap sarada, weird contradiction for naruto’s term meaning there are no especial term and consideration for ‘restrain’ operation, no highlight

I thought that sentence is already clear enough. “Don’t KILL but RESTRAIN”. Whether they got prison or orphanage or even death sentence it can be discussed later but what is actively discouraged on Kakashi’s reign (as per Kakashi Retsuden) is ALL Shinobi’s instinct to kill their opponent on sight instead of attempting to keep their lives for further judgement.

naturally it would improve since after every war there will be economy boom similar to real life but what about small villages like amagakure or former shinobi like kawaki’s father, they said so many shinobi died yet they could not track down impoverished shinobi like kawaki’s father with the help of shinobi union

I believe in Boruto anime Amegakure refused Shinobi Union’s help because they still view Pain as their God and so they distrusted the Shinobi Union who saw Pain as terrorist leader. As for Kawaki’s father, if you think peaceful era means there’s ABSOLUTELY no poor person, boy I got a bad news for you. Especially since the said poor person refused to take decent job, drowned himself in alcohol, and prefer to use his son as punchbag instead of going to therapy (which exist in Kakashi’s reign). 

may not be mercenary but in recent boruto chapter konohamaru forcefully evicts civilians from luxurious house for eida’s accommodation, similar to mercenary work.

I admittedly only watch Boruto for Kakashi’s scene and after almost a year pass I forgot most of them but when I said “mercenaries” I mean their main job is murder. The definition of mercenary :

a private individual who fights for money or other payment in an armed conflict, rather than for political interests. They are also known as soldiers of fortune, hired guns, or mercs.

I... honestly don’t know how that connect with Konohamaru’s action which probably for the sake of civilian’s safety (cmiiw I really don’t know about this). He didn’t fight anyone, he didn’t kill anyone, he didn’t became mercenary, I mean the lethal one.

its peaceful when most of your shinobi population died that you can not sustain ninja village or lifestyle turn to alternatives yet wars would eventually happen as long as small villages not included in 5 kage summit or shinobi village stop being dependent on feudal lords mercy and budget, shikimaru shinden is reminder of that, why not become a normal village whose main objective should be using chakra only or some non fatal useful ninjutsu not any violent shinobi works

Because Boruto, like Naruto, is Shounen franchise. You can’t separate violence from Shounen. Next question.

Okay, for in-world perspective, like it or not after 4th Shinobi War Konoha has reputation as the strongest village, yet the one that still need and ask help from other village. That’s the reason why Union between Shinobi is still standing. They can’t completely turn into pacifist because they have reputation to uphold and balance of power in their hand. 

they care more about skyscrapers not about justice or laws or rights and freedom and needs and benefit of individuals and minority and vulnerable people of the village or orphans 

Minority and vulnerable people of village, which one? What freedom anyone had been deprived? As you can see, people are free to choose their jobs (unlike Kakashi himself who literally got mandated as ANBU then teacher). Hyuuga slavery are no longer exist. It’s practically a common dudebros’ joke that there’s no orphan in Boruto (Kawaki still had his father before he got sold and hidden, Mitsuki is Orochimaru’s weird child, Sumire had her parents). 

I don’t think I even mentioned skyscrapers in that meta?

or how past should be highlighted or dark side of WOF fire being informed and its collective and individual history in the academy, there is no use for ethics or justice as long as you are abide by the village, village is so good in hiding their contradiction, 

I don’t understand, who do you think will uphold ethic and justice if not the village who already change their way? Obito’s world of delusion? Madara the strongest warmonger? Sasuke the Supreme Leader? Village is just a place when many people from different clans gathered, united, and chose one person as their leader (the method of choosing may vary). How corrupt village will be depend of the leader, in which Danzo is already dead and the 2 old hag had no political power anymore.

modern day USA and China even after certain periods we know the dark history of usa and china but for konoha’s case no typical japanese mindset about their ww2 history yet narratives glorify it as side of light or heroic place with full of moral, bull shite writing

Now I understand that you are upset about Uchiha Massacre being non-public. I don’t like that either. But, ultimately the only people that had right to disclosure the truth are people from Uchiha clan a.k.a Itachi and Sasuke. We know that Itachi absolutely didn’t want that to happen. Sasuke is a Shadow Hokage, he can speak the truth if he wants to. Why Sasuke doesn’t want it? Perhaps because in the end he wanted to emulate Itachi. I mean, that’s the whole reason of VOTE2.

(As for why Itachi doesn’t want to disclosure the truth, I will just say that although Itachi chose the dumbest method and Danzo is absolutely disgusting to instigate it, I as a citizen of Indonesia, often dubbed as Real-Life Konoha, kinda understand why Itachi didn’t want his family to be remembered as people who staged a coup. I will give you an elaborate answer if you asked.)

Look, I am not saying that Kakashi’s reign (and then Naruto) is a perfect country, with absolutely no flaws. It’s impossible to create in our world and it’s double impossible to create in a Shounen world when conflict and problem must happen to create a story.

I just wanna appreciate some improvement that Kakashi made in his reign as Hokage because I am Kakashi fan.

This segment is often ignored but I like it so much because it shows a glimpse of how ninja society changed in the era of peace (Blank Period-Boruto era). So some changes that happens are :

- Academy students don’t have to be a ninja 

- They can give up or fail graduation exam and will not be mocked for it (unlike Naruto in the past)

- There’s mention of “Former Ninjas” meaning that probably many ninjas are capable to quit being shinobi in peaceful era, probably because of the decreasing demand for shinobi

- Ninjutsu are widely used on non-military routine tasks.

- It’s explained in the novel, but now there’s rule “don’t kill but restrain” in ninja world, so now it’s heavily forbidden for ninjas to kill each other. So now ninjas are not “mercenaries”, at least most of them.

- Now that shinobi’s QoL are improved rapidly, I hope that bunshin will not create employment issues.

It’s so different from old bloody grime that is Naruto era. Kakashi’s era is worse, Jiraiya’s era is much worse, Hashirama’s era is much much worse. Interesting that the dream started with Hashirama (and Madara)’s era, yet the improvement is not instantaneous, but needs many steps. Still, I hope that we will know more about how Konoha and ninja world in general developed from military state into Metropolis during Blank period but Naruto franchise is primary about shounen fighting so oh well.

Some info from novels, spoiler warning for Retsuden series

Keep reading

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The funniest part is that Kakashi is literally the only one who didn't see Obito's perfect dream since he got stuck in Kamui so he didn't receive Naruto's chakra and didn't participate in the tug war. Kakashi completely had no idea that Obito dreamed full AU of their happy ending (and that bastard even erased Gai from his ideal imagination when he was at it) and it was known by EVERYONE except him.

I can imagine the conversation post-war :

Kakashi : I know that Minato-sensei spoke on my behalf and you all still had Madara to tend, but it's kinda surreal for me that everyone let me have a final talk with Obito although everyone must be very angry for multiple heinous atrocities that he commits

Basically all participants of 4th Shinobi War : to be honest when we saw you sat on top Obito's body we thought Obito was already down for good so there's no reason to pursue him again.

Kakashi: *clueless, puzzled and lil bit concerned* what does that mean? Does everyone think I am so heavy?

absolutely nothing in the world funnier than obitos innermost subconscious dreams being revealed to the audience and those dreams being "i want to be president while kakashi sits there and watches and thinks im really cool" you could spend hours making fun of him over it

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Happy Birthday Kakashi! giving him some self-love this year

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May I introduce you to my fav Obito POV fic Cognitive Dissonance by Loudest_Voice. It's a part of series but those who just want to see the Obito bits don't need to read previous story, the only difference with canon is that the fic happened in No Uchiha Massacre AU so character like Itachi is still alive. And there's animosity between Hyuuga and Uchiha (not that Obito care)

Some excerpt that made me laugh

i feel like we as a society need more kakashi-centric (or even team 7-centric) fics where you have the extremely unreliable narrator obito, who is constantly stalking kakashi. hyperfocusing on every word that comes out of kakashi’s mouth and everyone else being reduced to “naruto said this, or something like that. it doesn’t matter.”

the randomest things setting obito into an internal spiral, and you don’t know what’s going on until he snaps out of it but you’ve still lost a good portion of narration to obito’s internal dialogue/breakdown. you also aren’t sure how long he was spiraling for! you go from gai challenging kakashi and now all of a sudden there are dead squirrels arranged in the shape of a seal and genma is also there juggling senbon.

every other thought about kakashi is fueled by either hate-fueled murderous rage, possessiveness, violent homoerotic thoughts, or a mix of any of those. very gay and very violent. or bloody. half of these thoughts become little violent fantasies.

obito unironically knowing every single one of kakashi’s microexpressions and vocal tones and what they mean, and as a result recognizes things abt kakashi nobody else does. he probably hates when someone else recognizes smth abt kakashi from this.

he also knows the randomest things about kakashi, that can/will randomly pop up at any point in the narration. like kakashi has a secret poetry collection hidden under the sixth floorboard to the right of his bed and northwest of the bedroom window. or a piercing. or even angsty stuff like kakashi trying to rip out his eyes after a nightmare. who knows!

obito’s outward opinion of kakashi constantly flip-flopping between positive and negative, and the quality and genre of narration depends on where his opinion of kakashi is.

obito also hates kakashi’s ninken with a burning passion because they have a better sense of smell than kakashi, which means obito has to stalk from kamui rather than the outside world. watching from kamui isn’t the same because he isn’t on the same physical plane as kakashi.

but yeah i feel like we should abuse obito’s,,, everything. more.

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I really love this meta! And I agree with everything here. Sakumo case is truly tragic yet very relatable even in our modern world.

Also,

"Considering Kakashi's personality I doubt Sakumo had to push his son into training. It also feels unfair to judge him for encouraging Kakashi's ninja education since this is how everyone in their society lives. I don't know if anyone actually does judge him for that though, I'm just guessing."

There are people who judge him for this by the way. They connect this with Fugaku's action on bringing 4 years old Itachi to battlefield. If I remember correctly they say if Fugaku is bad father for Itachi for "preparing" him early, then Sakumo is as guilty too. Although :

1. We don't know for sure if Sakumo was still alive when Kakashi became Chuunin

2. Not all chunin went to battlefield. Iruka is Chuunin and he didn't go to battlefield on 4th Shinobi war

3. Enrolling your gifted kid to school when he won't get released till he was at least physically ready is different than traumatizing your son when he didn't even enter elementary school.

(Of course they later said "but Fugaku is better because Sakumo is bootlicker". Very predictable)

what are your opinions about sakumo? because it's kind of a debate in the naruto whether he has a bad father or not, i'd would like to know your thoughts on this one

Hi!

Hmm, I think it's difficult to have firm opinions on Sakumo as a parent considering how little we actually know about him. It requires a lot of speculation. I'll have to talk about depression, suicide and parenting and these are all very sensitive topics so I want to warn about that in advance.

First off: I love Sakumo. I think he's adorable and he seems super sweet and there are so many wonderful depictions of him in fiction and in art. Some of my favorite pieces of Kakashi fanart are of him and his dad. The fandom has really brought him to life. The little we see of him in canon, before his death, is also very sweet and heart warming. My gut instinct is to say he was a great father.

Parenting is a very complex issue to discuss and I don't think it's a good idea to sort parents into "good" or "bad" unless they're like, an indisputably awful parent. Parents are people and people usually try their best and have good intentions. They are also products of their environments and Sakumo's environment was... not good.

Hatake Sakumo lives in a village where he's presumably been conscripted into a mercenary army from birth, because that's how society works in his world. We don't know how he grew up but we know that he was incredibly skilled in battle and considered one of the very best. A real hero. Heroes are needed on the battlefield, especially in times of war.

Kakashi's mother is unknown but dies very young, leaving Sakumo to raise Kakashi on his own. These are not ideal circumstances to raise a child and I'm just speculating here but I don't think Sakumo had much previous experience with childcare, what with him being a busy elite soldier. I'm also speculating that Konoha at this time didn't have good policies in place for parental leave or things like childcare services. Sakumo would have been in an absolute shit situation, probably dealing with grief while also being under constant pressure, forced out on missions and the battlefield on a regular basis. Like, this was a village who eventually sent kids to war because they were running out of adults. No way the Hokage let the village hero be a stay-at-home dad out of the kindness of his heart.

It's speculation when I say Sakumo was probably absent from Kakashi's life for long periods of time and I'd definitely be speculating if I got into how Kakashi dealt with that absence. I wrote a speculative fic about it. What we do know is that Kakashi idolized his father and that Sakumo was loving and supporting when he was present. He was there to walk Kakashi to the academy on the first day of school. That's when we see that he seems to have been sweet and somewhat nervous in social situations and that his son was bossing him around <3

This interaction is basically Sakumo trying to very softly admonish his son for being a little shit and Kakashi throwing it right back in his face. I'm so very intrigued about his comment about "those monster parents" because what does that even mean? What is this concept that Sakumo has heard of? I now imagine he read it some column in a parenting magazine he bought in a desperate search for advice on how to raise an electrically charged 4-year old genius.

I love how this scene shows us that Kakashi sort of keeps his dad in line and reminds him about the schedule they're on, as if Sakumo is too scatter-brained to be trusted with such things. Sakumo goes along with this. Maybe he's indulging his son or maybe he really is a bit lost on things like Kakashi's academy schedule, possibly because he's a soldier in an ongoing war.

In the end it's Kakashi who listens to his father, trusting his judgement about training and rivals. I don't know what is being said in these debates about Sakumo's parenting but I can imagine that the whole thing with Kakashi becoming a super soldier before he's even a teenager might be a thing that comes up? Sakumo's part in Kakashi's training is unknown and this is the closest thing I've found to him pushing his son at all. This line in context reads more like "Don't become arrogant just because you're ahead" to me rather than him telling Kakashi to train harder. Considering Kakashi's personality I doubt Sakumo had to push his son into training. It also feels unfair to judge him for encouraging Kakashi's ninja education since this is how everyone in their society lives. I don't know if anyone actually does judge him for that though, I'm just guessing.

Sakumo being judged for his decision to kill himself is more certain. Let's get into that.

Suicide is an incredibly sensitive topic to discuss. Even if we're talking about fictional characters it's still a reality many people have had to deal with in their own lives, one way or another, me included. I think it can be extremely harmful to make sweeping statements about it and to pass judgement. I'll try to be mindful of that but it will get heavy I think.

The details of what happened on Sakumo's mission are unknown but we do know that the entirety of the land of fire blamed him. The village he spent his life protecting turned on him and so did his teammates. He would have lost his entire support network, if he had one, and been isolated with his guilt. His son would of course have been affected by this too, though we don't know exactly what this period of Kakashi's life was like. We don't know for how long they lived like that or how Sakumo dealt with it outwardly. I think it's fair to assume he fell into clinical depression though.

The thing with depression is that it's an illness you can't shake off on your own, no matter who you are or who is depending on you. It literally changes your brain matter and you're stuck with a mind that tells you it will never get better and it would be better for everyone if you didn't exist anymore. Those are lies. The illness makes your brain lie to you and it can be really fucking convincing. That's why outside help is required. Proper help to make life changes and support to help you hold on until it turns around and heals because it can and will heal.

But if you live in an environment where everyone blames you for their suffering and constantly reinforce the things your mind is already telling you? Then it's time to get out of there. Sakumo couldn't get out though. He'd be hunted down and killed, either by anbu or an enemy village.

If you live in a culture where suicide is seen as a way of redemption for you and your family? Well the choice seems pretty obvious then. It's basically recommended at that point, in a society like that. It might be what would have been considered the right and good thing to do in Sakumo's situation, depending on how heavily Kishimoto wanted to lean on Samurai culture in his world building. Sakumo might have truly believed that his suicide would redeem his name and by extension Kakashi's. You don't even have to be a ninja trapped in a fictional military dictatorship to end up believing something like that. I once shared a hospital room with a mother of two young children and she was convinced they would be happier if she was dead, which was completely insane of course but that's the thing with mental illness isn't it? It's not sane, and it can kill you. It killed her in the end and I think about her every time I think about Sakumo.

I don't think they were bad parents. They were very sick parents. That doesn't in any way lessen the harm they did to their children.

Kakashi has every right to be angry and bitter and Sakumo undoubtedly hurt him in ways he never recovered from. Sakumo murdered Kakashi's father and serotonin levels don't matter to a 4-year old who's left alone in the world. Kakashi spends his life piecing himself together, learning and unlearning to figure out why his father did what he did and how to do better. He's left alone and vulnerable in a world full of violence and it hurts him, repeatedly. There was nothing good about Sakumo's suicide and his son was not better off without him, in any way. It doesn't help that it was just the first time out of many that Kakashi would have to live through loved ones killing themselves for him or on him. There is much to be said about the way Naruto as a series glorifies suicide as self sacrifice for greater good and the very real harmful effect those types of narratives can have in the real world BUT, this is about Sakumo.

I don't think Sakumo was a bad parent at all. I think he did his best and that he was a hero, caring for the people he had around him. I think he loved Kakashi very much and wanted to care for him. I think his illness and the village made him believe that his suicide was an act of care. It wasn't. It never is. Your brain is lying to you! But brains can heal, no matter what they try to tell you. Kakashi is a perfect example of that.

Take care <3

[huskymaine]

I think the whole problem with fandom's protest on "Kakashi should tell Sasuke on how he got Sharingan or he was together with Itachi in ANBU" or "Kakashi should tell Naruto about his father being Kakashi's sensei" is that they forgot the core of Kakashi's character, the thing they showed us on Kakashi's first introduction with team 7.

THIS. MAN. DOESN'T. FUCKING. TALK. ABOUT. HIMSELF

We are talking about a man who has exact same trauma as Inari yet on he told Inari "You know Naruto is actually same as you 😊"

We are talking about a man who was never honest about why he was late and never will

We are talking about a man who faced with a hurting boy screaming "I lost everyone and how about I killed everyone you loved too" with a vague "shame everyone has already been killed 😊" answer and refuse to elaborate

We are talking about a boy who were never tell his teammates why he strictly followed the rule and preferred to be seen as cold-hearted bastard

We are talking about the teen who was called "Friend-Killer Kakashi" and never spoke any protest

We are talking about a man who instead of talking "actually White Fang is my father and he already died when I was 5" preferred to be beaten by random granny and hide behind his student

We are talking about a man who preferred to send Shikamaru to talk with Naruto and relate about the pain of losing a teacher, like dude, you once lost a dear teacher too! And unlike Shikamaru you know Jiraiya!

We are talking about a man whose his bestfriend whom he idolized told him "you let Rin die" he didn't say ANYTHING about the fact that the situation is way outside his control and was like "yes I am scum but you are hero 😔"

Like think about it for a second. If we're using Obito's logic a.k.a Kakashi let Rin die while the fact is Kakashis was incapable of do anything in his situation, the OBITO also let Rin die! He promised to protect Rin before Kakashi. He was actually alive! Yet he was not strong enough to break the wall on time and he was not fast enough to save Rin. He's also a scum.

Which was exactly Obito's point and why he wanted total world reset.

The only one who doesn't see that way is Mister internalized-all-of-my-pain Kakashi.

We are talking about a man who did "I will bear the responsibility to kill my best friend" first before his zombie teacher catched his hand and was like "you should talk to Obito because you have shared pain and understand Obito the most". Why? Because even in Kamui dimension he spoke about Rin's feeling, Obito's past feeling, but Kakashi NEVER thought to talk about his own emotion.

(People often mock Talk no Jutsu but most of them mostly misunderstand that as constant yapping and complaint. The principle of Talk no Jutsu is very simple. You said "I know what you feel. I understand you pain too, because I HAVE YOUR PAIN TOO. You are not alone so how about we together find the other way to heal this pain?" to someone whose hurting and acted on unrelated person. So basically the father of Talk no Jutsu specialist asked the Talk no Jutsu allergic 🤣)

Once I saw dudebros on youtube praise that Itachi and Kakashi are the ones who never talk about their pain. But unlike Itachi who literally CAN'T since his pain is a state secret, there's absolute no restriction for Kakashi to say anything about his condition, which he can use to help his students and perhaps other people. That's why in ask meme I say that my least favorite thing about Kakashi are self-deprecation and sometimes he was too apathetic to handle things that need his utmost concern. And I think this fandom debate shows how detrimental those aspect affect Kakashi's ability to properly help his student (that's why unlike those dudberos I don't particularly like them or seeing them as Kakashi's plus points). But unlike fandom who apparently saw those flaws as Kakashi's ACTUAL moral defect, I and probably many other Kakashi fans saw them as Kakashi's disability.

This is Kakashi's mental problem with very understandable reasons that we've shown through the show (not to mention Kakashi's own introvert characteristic outside his trauma). It's not "Kakashi doesn't want to help, Kakashi was being ignorant" he WANTED to help. He was literally desperate to help. But because of those aspects by instinct he chose ANY OTHER WAY than to vocally admit his pain. This is disability and fandom demonize or even overly praise it IMO shows how they treat deliberating mental disability. That's like demonizing someone who has stage fright for not giving satisfying performance, even if that performance is affecting someone's life and death.

This is how you create real life Sakumo

P.S : you are PERFECTLY FINE to not like Kakashi because of this aspect. I saw many people say "I like/dislike a character based on how they treat [insert their favorite character]" and conclude that Kakashi didn't treat the said favourite character right, and that's completely fine. But that just means you have different preferance and bias. That doesn't mean you have the ONLY CORRECT PREFERANCE and those who disagree with you and voiced it (if you posted in on any accessable social media and didn't use bashing tag are in the wrong. What's not fine is treating it as moral defect that needed to be harshly corrected and Kakashi is "bad person" and those who like him "liking the wrong character". In our modern standard Kakashi is someone who is definitely not mentally suited for teaching and I think all Kakashi fans acknowledge it. But rule in ninja world is different and like Kakashi we are forced to deal with it. Regarding morality in personal level Kakashi is NEVER OBLIGATED to vocally admit his pain let alone willingly use them to help others. In my opinion (and Naruto story I think) the action that is morally wrong and needs to be stopped at all cost is lashing out from pain by actively and deliberately hurting other people outside of those who actively hurting them first. That's why character like Nagato, Obito, Gaara, Sasuke, even Neji as long as they did that action are treated as antagonist who need to be stopped and corrected no matter how right you think their political stand is.

hi! how do you feel about sasuke and kakashi’s relationship? i find their interactions so cute but there's this thing that i've been seeing recently in the naruto fandom: how kakashi dismissed sasuke's pain regarding the massacre and wanted him to completely forget about revenge.

i agree he could've handled his situation better (when they first met again in shippuden is still an issue for some reason) but personally i think that wasn't what kakashi hoped for him, he wasn't expecting sasuke to get over it, he would've fully supported sasuke's idea of seeking justice for his entire clan wiped out there's no doubt, however, i don't understand why certain individuals want kakashi to be the biggest villain in sasuke's story when I'm pretty sure that he was one the few adults in the show who was on his side and tried to advocate for him

Hi!

I think Kakashi and Sasuke's relationship is interesting and I would have loved to see more of it. There's frustratingly little interaction between them on screen though, largely because I think the plot demanded certain things to remain secret.

There are so many things Kakashi could have talked to Sasuke about or at least mentioned but I'm not sure if Kishimoto had even figured out those details that early on. It makes absolutely no sense that the whole "how the fuck do you have a sharingan?"-thing never got brought up at any point, by anyone. There's a huge, absolutely massive Uchiha-shaped elephant in the room whenever Kakashi and Sasuke are within shouting distance of each other and while I blame Kishimoto for this, I can see how some might blame Kakashi as a character. He could probably have been a bigger support to Sasuke than anyone else in the village because of his unique insight into the clan's and his brother's history. He might not have wanted to insert himself in that part of Sasuke's life though or risk opening wounds even further. Just the thought of Kakashi going "Itachi used to be my teammate" when Sasuke first declares his mission of revenge? I would have paid to see it.

Imagine him going like "Yeah I was there to clean up the corpses your brother left behind and oh did you know your entire clan was under surveillance? Me and your nii-san used to go through the footage together on the days when we weren't out assassinating people and there you were, running around all innocently on the monitors. I think your brother really loved you" like, shit is fucked up. In hindsight it is truly insane how much Kakashi knew that could have made little Sasuke's mind just, explode.

So yeah, there are plenty of things to pick from if you want to hate on how Kakashi communicated (or rather didn't communicate) with Sasuke. Him dismissing Sasuke's pain is not one of them though, that's just not what happened.

Kakashi tells Sasuke to forget about revenge in a rather direct and not very helpful way because of course Sasuke won't forget about it, it's not that simple. Kakashi is a direct sort of person though and not a therapist so the approach is a bit clunky. However, telling Sasuke to forget about revenge is not the same as saying "forget about what happened". Kakashi is saying that dedicating his life to revenge will make the pain even worse, and he was right about that. Right? We can all agree that Sasuke's suffering increased every step of the way towards and beyond revenge until he finally got back to Naruto again?

Anyway.

Kakashi could have said "we're going to kill Itachi anyway because he's a threat to all of us" but do we really think Sasuke would have liked and accepted that? I personally think Sasuke would have hated that, but I'm no Sasuke-knower. It just feels like he really wanted to do it alone, and if his teacher had allowed or encouraged that I would say that's a bad teacher. I don't think Kakashi would have suggested killing Itachi to get justice either, that's just another word for revenge really. I think Kakashi would have liked to see Itachi stand trial to figure out what happened and why he did what he did because that's his old teammate and things were not adding up with the massacre thing. That's pure fanfiction territory though, and another discussion completely..

So, I don't know what these people are saying when they think Kakashi dismisses Sasuke's pain and I don't want to argue against shadows. I know this discussion isn't new, I saw people make posts about it last year too. I also don't wish to make enemies with the guardians of Sasukes feelings.

But.

Sasuke dismisses other people's feelings quite often and Kakashi reminding him that he's not the only one who's experienced loss was good. Sasuke should have been reminded of that more often. Get mad if you want but Sasuke's way of isolating himself with his trauma, saying nobody could ever understand his feelings while simultaneously not caring about anyone else's feelings was bad. Unhealthy. Making him think outside of his own experience for just one moment isn't dismissive and I get a bit worried for those who think that. Trauma is not a competition where we pit our experiences against each other to see who has the most legitimate claim. Kakashi wasn't trying to erase or minimize Sasuke's experience with his own and I think that if you make that interpretation you might have to take a few breaths and meditate on the human capacity for empathy. Kids need help to develop it and Sasuke got a lesson he needed to hear.

Hate the teacher if you want but he will be there to back you up when you come back to school with a new haircut and unique outfit

and he teaches you everything he knows, including the very, very deadly things because he trusts and believes in you

and he'll catch you discreetly when you fall

and he'll sacrifice his own blood to help you

and yeah he'll say true things you don't want to hear

and he won't say "I told you so" when he ends up being right

but I will.

[huskymaine]

 Ideal Chuunin exam should be filled with genin level ninjas eager to surpass each other and become Chuunin like Kakashi Team's Chuunin exam and Boruto's Chuunin exam. Participant came, has a feisty competition yet death is not the main goal, and got a nifty certificate to get higher paychecks. But on Naruto's chuunin exam they have :

a Sannin turned evil, want one of Kakashi's students and can incapitate another one of Kakashi's student

bunch of lethally trained lackeys of the said Sannin with no interest for Chuunin badge, only helping master's shenanigans as said above

3 Kazekage kids with, again, no interest for Chuunin badge

Their interest is infiltration and national take over actually

Also one of them has monster with massive bloodlust inside him

also want one of Kakashi's student and has narrative parallel with another one of Kakashi's student

What was supposed to be lil-bit lethal competition turned to have so many backstabbing and unexpected hidden agendas to the point that I can only blame Team 7 overall bad luck for that. There's NO WAY Kakashi can predict that. I mean yeah life fucked him over since he was five but can't blame the guy on his first experience of teaching to not think that his team would be screwed around THAT BAD.

I realized why i hate the ‘team seven wasn’t read for the chunin exams’ argument

None of them were ready for the chunin exams they were in. Not even gai’s team was ready. If it was just konoha shinobi lee would have gone to the finals easy, but because it was a chunin exams with other shinobi he faced people who were way out if even his league, including a jinchuriki

The point if the chunin exams is one can never truly be ready because at the end of the day you do not know what you would face

Every team entered was ready for a chunin exams that kakashi, gai, asuma and kurenai would have taken part in. Aka one where they fsced only konoha shinobi

None of them were ready for the chunin exams they ended yp competing in and their sensei’s wouldn’t have known to prepare for the chunin exams their kids took part in

[huskymaine]

"The hole in one's heart gets filled by others around you." ❤️

[huskymaine]

can anyone on this gay ass website give me an opinion on which translation of the epic of gilgamesh i should read? ive been wanting to read it for ages but theres a number of common translations and i know translations can make or break a story; i dont want to start with the wrong one