#Never had a hate Anon from a Gwynriel

[acourtofthought]

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you on your last ask.

"SJM did say she's excited to write Az's journey. But she's tricky with her words and just because she said "when you get to the end of SF I think you'll know who the next book is about and Az's journey is one I'm very excited to write about."

Because SJM is tricky with words, she could be telling us that Elain's book is next, she'll end up with Lucien and during their book she will continue laying crumbs for Az's journey as she's excited to begin the groundwork for his eventual book."

please... she is not THAT tricky. She also said multiple times Hunt and Bryce are mates, and that she wanted to change up her usual formula by making the first LI in CC to be the endgame, still many doubted her words and guess what? Hunt and Bryce are endgame, just as she said. Was she also tricky when she talked about Elucien being mates? Or is she not tricky with her words when it supports your narrative?...

And to be exact, this was the question from the interview you quoted:

"Will Azriel get his own book in the future?" to which Sarah answered: "I can't say anything officially right now... but when you get to the end of ACOSF I think you'll know who the next book is about... Azriel's journey is one I'm very excited to write about..." - mind you, the question wasn't about who's book is next, just if Azriel will get a book, ever. And her answer was this. She brought up the next book. How do you even interpret an answer like this as, "Elain's book is next"? Sorry, but it's not tricky at all, it's basic comprehension to assume Azriel's book is next based on her answer to the question. Also, even though the bonus takes place during solstice, bonus chapters are placed physically at the end of the book, no?? So...

Let's face it, Lucien and Elain had no major impact on the plot of acosf (they were barely present in the book actually), but Az was included heavily in the valkyrie training (along with a certain other redhead), and then now he's in CC3 too (in which Elucien were absent yet again). He's featured in two bonus chapters, one is from his own POV. Clearly, there is a lot of focus put on him right now, intentionally. From a marketing point of view, after all of this, another couple's book being next who are simply absent from the last two books makes no sense at all.

You really started to twisting everything to fit your own narrative, just as E/riels. :/

You're really quite aggressive over my thinking Elain is getting the next book.

Regardless of what your interpretation of that particular interview is, I've also got plenty of others that strongly suggest Elain was getting the book after Nesta.

"I've always wanted to write books about her sisters".

"I know who the first two spin-offs are about but I'm leaving the third open".

At one point the third was even possibly going to be a book set in the past and in a special edition of ACOFAS, she wrote about the research she had done for Elain's book. Not Az's.

"My initial plan for the spin-offs didn't change but the world expanded".

And you're silly to think that "from a marketing perspective Elain's absence in the crossover means she can't get the next book."

Was Chaol not absent in the book before TOD?

You're clearly only on the side of your narrative when you say Elain was absent in SF.

Did she and Nesta not have two big arguments?

Did Elain not volunteer to search for the Trove?

Did Feyre and Rhys not have a conversation about her getting her hands dirty in Feyre's bonus? How maybe she's only acted a certain way for fear of disappointing them?

Did Feyre not mention how she's got Az beat for secret keeping?

Did Amren not tell them not to underestimate her?

Did Nesta not take her wooden carving back to the HOW with her, staring at it after placing it near a figure of a Goddess, then end the series by placing it on her father's grave?

Nesta's arc could not have happened if Elain was by her side because Nesta needed to learn who she was outside of being Elain's protector but that doesn't mean Elain did not regularly come into her thoughts, with SJM using those moments to build her story (like Spring being made for her). That does not mean SJM didn't find ways of telling us exactly where her character is going and the fact that she's now ready for more or that she doesn't belong in the NC.

You are free to feel Az is next, I even admit I could be wrong about Elucien though I still feel strongly that they're a contender for the next book. But you claiming he's next as fact makes you no different than e/riels who claim their ship as fact.

And bonus chapters are placed at the end of the book because they don't want to interrupt the flow of the main characters pov..??

What is your point? It doesn't change where it falls on the timeline and the events that came after.

I'd be curious to know what major impact on the plot you feel Az had in SF outside of training the Valkyries because Cassian said Nesta wouldn't be ready for battle training for years. An ACOTAR book. Not a book from a different series that not every ACOTAR reader will read. Lucien was set up for more than Az what with him being stationed in Spring, commanding Cassian with a single word, the fact that his father now wants to ally with Koschei, that he was "setting his sights" across the continent.

Az...... sulked about not getting a bond? Played sidekick to Cassian? Yes he's training the Valkyries and will continue to do so but the main issues in the ACOTAR world at the end of SF were Koschei - Vassa's captor (Vassa, Lucien's roommate and the one Elain had visions of) , Beron - Lucien's "father", Spring - a Lucien plot and the treaty (I don't see Az treating for peace, do you?) and Elucien is more strongly connected to those things than Az. And yes, SJM admitted that Bryce and Hunt were mates because she wasn't keeping it a secret? And she openly spoke of Elucien as mates back before she signed on for the spin-offs and therefore was allowed to talk about the future of the characters? Those are not the same things as the announcment of the next book as the next book is supposed to be a surprise, otherwise it would have already been announced. She wouldn't have said, "and that's all I'm saying about that."

[elainsgirl]

"it also proves how sensitive gwy/riels are and how they’re the issue 89% of the time." Omg yes, someone said it.

Kind of feel for Eluciens having to be shackled to Gwynriels. That's a bond that should have been rejected! But it seems like Euciens have grown sick of Gwynriels too, at last. Bravo! At least Elucien is a ship based on canon since Elain and Lucien are mates. If I were an Elucien, I'd never tolerate Gwynriels dragging Elucien down to the same level as a literal crackship and then disrespect Eluciens by degrading Elain and literally only using the Elucien ship to validate Gwynriel, literal fanon. Gwynriels have ruined the Elucien tag. I miss the days when it was just Eluciens and Elriels coexisting and discussing canon without a third group mixing in a random crackship and screeching loudly, demanding everyone accept it as canon while they disrespect everyone and their mother. Kindly fuck off.

I mean, I think it's blatantly obvious Elriel is endgame. But at least Elucien isn't pulled out of someone's ass the way Gwynriel is, like anon said. I'll be using that one now btw, that's hilarious.

LMFAO, You had me laughing for a solid minute with “thats a bond that should’ve been rejected!” - im officially going to use this everytine when describing elu/iens and gwy/riels.

Yh, I feel elu/iens are getting over how petty gwy/riels can be. I mean they’re so adamant that a gwy/riel book is next - not even entertaining an elu/ien book, its like elu/iens are getting the short hand of the stick and having to follow along/agree with whatever gwy/riels say bcs how dare they think for themselves and might wanting something different then what gwy/riels have in mind. Its been entertaining to say the least.

Their partnership works because through their ships, Elain & Azriel are seperated from each other therefore there isnt a possibility for elriel but once you get past that - it becomes pretty obvious elu/iens and Gwy/riels are at a odds with how the plots of the books will go, which couple will do what etc. I actually have respect for the elu/iens calling out the gwy/riels that are simply hating on Elain to be petty and whatever else, above everything- I love Elain so to see elu/iens call out other gwy/riels for their treatment of her was nice. You’re so right, most gwy/riels only ship elu/ien so Elain can be away from Az & so she doesn’t pose a threat to their ship. I can imagine how annoyed i’d be as an elu/ien entering my ships’ tag only to see others mock my favourite character, tell me why my ship isn’t possibly next, how unimportant my character is etc. Thank god tho, we dont have to experience that.

Most gwy/riels have genuinely ruined the fandom and they’re always so forceful with their takes and bully those that disagree. I wasn’t here pre-acosf so I dont rlly know how peaceful elu/iens and elriels were before - but tbh, I can imagine us having civil conversations bcs unlike Gwy/riel - at least elu/ien is actually based in canon. There is something tangible connecting elain and lucien together no one can deny or ignore. Also elu/ien at least makes some sense and they have a stronger footing to argue on where gwy/riel dont.

Same. To me elriel is obviously endgame - but I fully understand elu/iens stance and think - if you ignore the last 2 books then their ship has some chance of happening.

[elrielbaby]

What do you think of the Gwynriels being too confident in their ship? Are you sure Az has feelings for Gwyn and is always looking for her and stuff? And what are they matte?

I have tried, really really tried, to see where they’re coming from. I’ve re read the books multiple times to ensure I’m not missing any context, I’ve looked at it through every angle possible and I still cannot fathom why they are so confident.

I have a couple of theories as to why they’re so confident and I’m feeling a little spicy today, so I’ll share. I could go in to heavy detail, but I’ll try keep it brief anon.

1. They hate Elain and so are looking for any other option. Literally anyone. G*yn happens to be in the bonus chapter and so they go with that, without really thinking about it* (I will circle back to this).

2. They blindly follow the word of one or two people online.They don’t like Elain, or they love L*cien (and they totally miss all the clues that say L*cien doesn’t actually want Elain but that’s a whole other can of worms) and so they accept other people’s interpretations - which those people very intentionally present as fact, and use them as a jumping off point, so when they go back to the books they have that other persons narrative in their head that far better suits their ideals and so they’re looking, twisting, turning any and all of the narrative to fit that. They are gaslighting themselves, basically.

3. They don’t re read the books and they don’t open themselves up to any other possibility. I can say for myself that before I started posting online about elriel, I had heard about G*riel after reading the books and re read them to be sure. I’m nearly positive a lot of them don’t do that, and either never re read or re read as per the second point.

As to the second part of this question, I don’t believe he’s got feelings for G*yn, nor do I think he’s always looking for her - so, I’m very sure of that. If you meant Elain, it’s pretty obviously laid out in the text, without SJM having Azriel and Elain say ‘I’M IN LOVE WITH HIM/HER AND I DONT CARE WHO KNOWS IT’ - because how does that make any sense when they haven’t had their book? If they had, I’d be less sure of their endgame.

As for the last part, I’m going to assume you’re asking if I think either G*yn or Elain are mated to Azriel. I do not believe G*yn is Azriels mate. At all. There are a few signs that Az & Elain could be, but it truly doesn’t matter to me if they are or not. I think SJM has been metaphorically winking at us with some of the things she’s said about them but it could go a number of ways, in terms of wether they’re mates or not.

One things for certain though - they’re endgame ❤️

* to circle back to them not really thinking about it, as I didn’t want to bog down the main text with this, they don’t seem to consider a number of different things.

They don’t consider that it’s a limited bonus chapter that was only available for one specific book store. It is not available in the copies of ACOSF you can buy now, nor was it available in a huge number of copies you could buy at its initial release.

They don’t seem to consider that if you remove the bonus chapter, we still have four books that include build up for them. It literally makes no odds as to wether the bonus matters or not. For them though? Most of their argument relies on that bonus chapter.

They don’t seem to consider any other reason as to why G would be in that bonus chapter. None whatsoever. The Elain part was explicitly romantic and if you look at G’s part there is no romanticism in sight. The ‘spark’ happened after a conversation with Clotho, not even when G was present. Almost like G didn’t actually have anything to do with it at all. If you connect the dots to the main text, at least for my interpretation, you have Elain & Az, who very clearly have feelings for one another. You have G, who has a powerful affect on Nesta, and Clotho who also has, to a smaller extent, a powerful affect on Nesta.

And those are just the few things off the top of my head that I have the bandwidth to come up with right now. ❤️

[elrielffs]

Why did I see a TikTok of someone saying, “How do people ship Elain and Azriel?” Hello??? Did we not read the same books? I’m honestly tired of people saying that Gwyn and Azriel match because Gwyn can “fix” him and help him with his darkness and stuff. 🙄 He doesn’t even have a crush on her! That’s not his mate at all!

Let’s be real: we know that the bonus chapter didn’t happen at the end of the book—it was in the middle. Which means, when the BR happened, Azriel didn’t even react to Gwyn! He didn’t do anything! Not to mention that not everyone has read the bonus chapter. I hate the fact that Gwyn got dragged into these ship wars. 🙄

It's crazy that people want a love triangle with two women fighting for a MAN? like no. Its about time I leave this fandom and never come back. im sick of all these toxic people. ill just wait until the book comes out.

No I get it anon. Sometimes I have to step back and do other things for a few days then come back.

I have much more respect for antis that say," Yeah, Elriel had something going on but I don't think they are endgame." Then ones who outright deny there was anything there because that is just plain denial.

And yup! But that's what antis do, they conveniently forget or ignore anything that doesn't support their ship. "BC showed Gwynriel mating bond!" One of the biggest indicators of a bond is overprotectiveness--Azriel didn't care Gwyn was in the BR which happened after the sparky spark they love. "ACOSF ENDED WITH GWYNRIEL. SJM SAID WE WOULD KNOW WHO THE NEXT BOOK WAS ABOUT WHEN WE GOT TO THE END OF ACOSF." No, the BC was in a limited edition book in two countries from 1 store. If not for people uploading to the internet, you would have to buy an oop edition of the book to read it--if you even knew it existed which millions of people still don't years later.

If the BC was as important as antis claim in showing a Gwynriel bond, wouldn't SJM say hey maybe read this before the next book? Or make it available on her web page? Because otherwise, there is nothing going on between to the two. I think the BC is unknown Lightsinger business but in actual ACOSF? Nothing.

"Gwyn is the only one to make Azriel smile!" False, Azriel smiles plenty but Elain is the only one that made him belly laugh and seem happiest he's ever been. Which is was noted. Specifically.

"The shadows don't like Elain!" The shadows have no problem with Elain, they wanted to defend her, they wing manned Azriel...the shadows even CARESSED FEYRE'S CHEEK but because they danced with Gwyn's BREATH that means more for some reason.

Never mind that they don't take half a second to look up skittered in a dictionary or the fact that skittered was used several times around people other than Elain.

And all this talk about fixing Azriel like Gwyn is a mechanic garage and as soon as Azriel sticks his dick inside he'll magically become better. Azriel has personal issues for sure, so does every character in the story, everyone has trauma, nobody can "fix" the other but I don't understand what Gwyn is supposed to "fix" and why she is the only one that can do that and supposedly handle Azriel's darkness?

All this just shows me antis just want the same copied/pasted relationship that we've seen over and over or can't come up with anything on their own. There are different types of relationships outside of snarky banter and challenging someone.

Maybe Azriel doesn't need anyone to fix him or handle his darkness. He doesn't need his life to be training, swords and daggers, fighting, blood and to be "challenged" all the time. Maybe all he needs is a peaceful place to rest his head at the end of the day, to have the smell of roses and bread around him, to find a place of peace where he can put down his walls and his dagger and just be. No challenges, no training, no fighting. Just rest, relaxation, and gentle fingers running through his hair.

[bookbitchx]

Blog Introduction.

Marhaba, Salut, Hello.

My blog is mostly centered around the Maasverse.

I don't claim to know what it's like or what it takes to write a successful series, let alone multiple, and I never will.

These are my opinions, mostly based on the ACOTAR series, soon enough TOG (a much needed reread before I can give my solid opinion) and CC (whenever I get to actually reading it.)

Heavily centered tags: Anti Rhysand, Anti Feyre, Anti Feysand, Anti IC, Anti Nessian, Anti Cassian, Anti Amren, Anti Mor.

Pro Lucien, Pro Eris, Pro Tamlin, Pro Nesta, Pro Gwyn, Pro Emerie, Pro Tarquin, Pro Helion, Pro Thesan.

Neutral: Azriel, Elain, Vassa, Jurian, Kallias, Viviane, literally anyone else left.

▪︎Anti Rhysand: I can't stand the guy. Plain and simple.

▪︎Anti Feyre: I liked her in the first book, even a few chapters into AF, where that Feyre went, I'll never know.

▪︎Anti Feysand: The most obnoxious rulers in all of Prythian. It would've been fine if they had anything to back it up with, but they don't.

▪︎Anti IC: This one is obvious. They're more like an inbred cult than a found family.

▪︎Anti Nessian: I deluded myself that the bond is Made, and I stand by that.

▪︎Anti Cassian: He's the worst mate ever written by SJM, and that's saying something since she wrote Rhysand.

▪︎Anti Amren: I could tolerate her in AF, but she's completely unnecessary after WAR.

▪︎Anti Mor: Could've been a great character, failed her miserably in whatever it is she is now.

▪︎Pro Lucien: Why wouldn't I be? Easily the best written character in the series.

▪︎Pro Eris: Everything is not as it seems. Maybe I'll eat my words later on, maybe I won't. We'll see.

▪︎Pro Tamlin: This is a tricky one. I don't condone/encourage/find what he did okay pre-petty Feyre revenge. However, he's more than made up and paid for it.

▪︎Pro Nesta: I also don't condone her actions in the first few chapters of TAR, some of SF, but again, she's more than made up for it.

▪︎Pro Gwyn, Emerie, Tarquin, Helion, Thesan: Obvious reasons.

▪︎Azriel: He's there, I guess. I'm disappointed with the way he was written, but yk. Waiting for his book to make up my mind.

▪︎Elain: She's also there. Idk. From what I did see of her in the books, she's alright. Hated her for not standing up for Nesta, but I'm over it.

▪︎Kallias and Viviane: I loved their story, at least the bits that we saw. However, I'll forever judge them for not hounding Rhysand about the 'other' Daemati's name. I'll keep believing he did it until anon Daemati's head is brought and shown.

▪︎Vassa, Jurian: Gave Lucien a place in the band of Exiles. Nothing more needs to be said.

I'm team Elucien all the way.

Iffy about if Gwynriel will happen, but I would love to see them together.

If these are not your things, it's totally your choice. Feel free to leave, or if you want to debate, I'm all for it as long as neither if us try to convince the other of something and try to shove it down the other's throat.

I do post other things, or I'm going to, mostly book reviews based on these genres: Romantasy, Fantasy, Mystery, YA, Dark Romance.

Also, English isn't my first or second language. If I make grammar/vocabulary mistakes, this is my sorry in advance.

Okay, I think that's it.

Byeeee.

[moodymelanist]

Prompt if you’re willing- gwynriel or elucien role play? Or nessian honestly but I feel like everyone asks you for nessian

this is literally 2 years late but I found this prompt buried in my inbox and it spoke to me so hope you see and enjoy this wherever you are, anon!

accepting kinktober prompts all month long 🥰

Nesta shifted in her seat at the hotel bar, fighting the urge to look around to see if her husband was in the room yet. Between blow drying her hair, spending over an hour on her makeup, and pulling on a tight red dress, she’d gone all out for the evening, and she couldn’t wait to see Cassian’s reaction.

There was never a dull moment being married to Cassian, but even they liked to spice things up from time to time. It had been her turn to suggest something, and after some thorough research — mostly via her Kindle Unlimited subscription — this was what she’d settled on.

They’d role played before, of course, but only in the confines of their home. Even though they wouldn’t be doing anything too scandalous in public, the thrill of doing something dirty still had Nesta pressing her thighs together as she tried to stay patient.

“This seat taken?”

Finally. Nesta turned at the sound of Cassian’s voice, biting back her smile so she could make a big show of eyeing him up and down. He looked absolutely delicious in an all-black ensemble, the first few buttons of his shirt open to reveal just a hint of his tattoos, and she almost called the whole thing off right there.

She didn’t, though. This was her idea, and she was going to see it through even if it had her cursing at her past self.

“I guess not,” Nesta eventually answered, aiming for nonchalant. It was hard to treat him like a stranger, but for the sake of the game, she’d have to do her best.

Cassian slid into the seat next to her gracefully, already motioning for the bartender’s attention. “Someone as gorgeous as you should never drink alone.”

“Is that so?” she replied, turning to look at him with a raised eyebrow.

“It is,” he told her. When the bartender came, he ordered two more of whatever the lady was drinking before turning back to her with a smirk. “So. You come here often?”

“I’m here for a work trip,” she lied, reaching for her drink so she could trace the rim of the glass.

“All by yourself?” he asked with a nod toward her wedding ring — the one that they’d picked out together. “If I were your husband, I wouldn’t let you out of my sight.”

Nesta just smiled and tilted her head toward his matching wedding band. “Does your wife feel the same way?”

“You’d have to ask her,” Cassian replied, unable to stop himself from matching her furtive little smile.

“Something tells me that wouldn’t be a good idea,” she said as she turned to face him more fully.

“And why’s that?” he said back, leaning into her space ever so slightly. He was even more beautiful up close, from the scar slashing through his right eyebrow to the way his eyes looked even greener than usual under the bar lighting, and she wanted to kiss him so bad it was making her a little crazy.

“I don’t even know your name,” she replied. It was hard to keep playing along, especially with him looking at her like that, but she had to try. “It would be hard to look you up without it.”

“Cassian,” he answered, pretending to introduce himself with a touch of laughter in his eyes. “What’s yours?”

“Nesta,” she told him.

���Nesta,” he repeated, the shape of her name falling from his lips doing things to her even though she’d heard it a thousand times before. “I like that.”

The bartender came back with their fresh drinks then, and Nesta and Cassian continued to make small talk and pretend like they didn’t know each other. At one point, he settled one of his large hands across the bare skin of her thigh, and she knew it wouldn’t be much longer before they’d be making their way to the room she’d rented for the night.

“I hate to cut this short, but…” Nesta trailed off with a dramatic sigh. “I have an early flight to catch.”

“What a shame,” Cassian replied, but he didn’t move his hand off her thigh.

“It is,” she agreed. She reached for the small purse she’d brought with her and pretended to reach for her wallet, looking up with faux-surprise when he made a displeased noise.

“Don’t worry about it,” he told her. “It’s on my tab.”

“Thank you,” she responded, letting go of the credit card she knew she wouldn’t have to use. She stood from her bar stool and leaned in close, brushing aside some of his curls so she could murmur in his ear. “If your wife won’t mind, I’m in room 526.”

Before Cassian could respond, Nesta pulled away and walked confidently toward the elevator. She didn’t look back at him until she’d gotten on and pressed the button for her floor, his eyes on her setting her body aflame until the doors closed and severed the connection.

As the elevator whisked her up to the fifth floor, Nesta blinked and forced herself to focus. She had a job to do, and she fully intended on finishing what she’d started.

Cassian wouldn’t know what hit him.

Once she made it up to the suite, Nesta figured she had at least ten minutes while he settled the tab and found the room, so she didn’t waste any time. She’d thought ahead and packed a small overnight bag, and she quickly rummaged through it before pulling out the red lingerie set she’d bought for the occasion and headed into the bathroom. From there, it took a second to get out of her dress and into all the lace, but she moved as fast as she could without tearing anything.

Nesta studied her reflection in the mirror for a few moments, more than pleased at the way everything looked on her. She had just enough time to fluff out her hair before there was a knock at the door, and she couldn’t stop her smile as she put on one of the hotel’s robes so she could go answer it.

Nesta had barely opened the door before Cassian was on her, crushing his mouth to hers and walking her backwards toward the king-sized bed without missing a beat. “Cassian—”

“You look so fucking beautiful,” Cassian said against her lips. Distantly, Nesta heard the sound of the door closing behind them, but she was far more preoccupied with not tripping over her own feet. “You don’t know what you do to me, sweetheart.”

“Yeah?” Nesta said back, letting herself fall backwards once she hit the edge of the bed. “Show me.”

Nesta hadn’t tied the robe very tightly, and it fell open once her back hit the mattress. Cassian gaped at the sight of her, his eyes roaming over her hungrily like he couldn’t quite decide where to look, before he eventually settled back on her face.

“Your husband’s a lucky man,” Cassian eventually told her, still gaping a little. “Jesus, Nesta.”

“You like it?” Nesta asked. He reached out and reverently traced the curve of her waist, and she couldn’t help but arch into his touch. “I bought it just for my trip.”

“Bringing lingerie on a business trip?” he asked, smirking down at her. “What will your husband think?”

“I don’t know,” she replied teasingly. As much as she liked the view, she wanted him closer, and she reached up to grab him by the shirt and pull him down with her. “If only he were here to see it.”

“If only,” he repeated, letting her pull him down so their lips could meet again. She moaned at the feel of his tongue in her mouth and wrapped her legs around his waist. “Maybe we should take some pictures. Show him what he’s missing.”

Nesta inhaled sharply at the idea. They’d talked about taking photos before, had even floated the idea of making a sex tape, but this was making it real. “How can I trust you won’t keep any for yourself?”

“A gentleman doesn’t kiss and tell,” Cassian replied, leaning in to kiss her again. He rocked his hips into hers at the same tempo that his tongue slid against hers as a promise of what was to come. “But if it makes you feel better… I’ll even take it on your phone. So you can send them to him, really make him miss you.”

Nesta was nodding before he was even finished speaking, her token resistance up in smoke at Cassian’s suggestion. He kissed her one last time before moving to grab her phone off the nightstand, momentarily shattering the illusion of them being strangers as he typed in her passcode without asking, and then he was back between her legs where he belonged.

“There’s a good girl,” he murmured, moving her any which way that he thought looked good. The robe came off quickly after the first few photos, leaving nothing for her to hide behind even if she’d wanted to. “So perfect for me.”

Eventually Cassian rolled Nesta onto her stomach, and she arched her back just the way he liked it out of habit. She heard the fake shutter noise one last time as he grabbed a handful of her ass, and then came the sound of her phone landing somewhere on the mattress.

“I think that’s enough photos for now,” Cassian announced. She heard the sound of something hitting the ground and half wondered what he was going to do next.

“If you say s—” Nesta cut herself off with a shocked moan, completely caught off guard at the feeling of Cassian pulling her panties to the side and licking a wide path across her center. “Cassian!”

“You taste even better than I imagined,” Cassian replied, groaning. The sound she’d heard earlier must have been him sinking to his knees, and the idea of what he must have looked like behind her only made her hotter with want. “Been thinking about this all fucking night.”

Nesta reached for the nearest pillow and held on for dear life, spreading her thighs as wide as she could to give Cassian more room. He kissed, licked, and sucked at her clit like his life depended on it, and it didn’t take long before the room was filled with the sound of her moans and whimpers.

“Fuck, fuck, don’t stop,” Nesta begged, rocking her hips backward into his mouth. “I’m so close.”

Cassian didn’t dare change a thing, and with a final rock of her hips, Nesta’s orgasm hit her hard. She cried out a mix of curses and Cassian’s name as pleasure washed over her in waves, and he didn’t stop until the last of her aftershocks rolled through her.

“That was the hottest thing I’ve ever seen in my life,” Cassian said from behind her.

Nesta flipped over onto her stomach and sat up so she could look at him properly. He looked so gorgeous in the low lighting of the room, but he was still far too put together for her liking. She wanted to rough him up, make him lose his composure the way only she could. “Take off your clothes already. You’re so overdressed.”

“Yes ma’am,” he replied, leaning on the bed to help him get to his feet. He started unbuttoning his shirt while she worked on his pants, and within moments he was gloriously naked in front of her. “Like what you see?”

“Yeah,” she answered, making a big show of checking him out from head to toe. She made an even bigger show once she got to his cock, biting her lip as she reached out to trail a finger down his shaft. “Are you sure it’ll fit?”

“Only one way to find out,” he told her with a wink. He stepped out of his shoes and kicked everything out of the way so he could climb onto the bed. “But I have a good feeling.”

Nesta moved to the center of the bed and let Cassian peel her out of her lingerie, thoroughly enjoying the feel of his hands on her without anything separating them. Now that they were both completely naked, she knew it wouldn’t be much longer until the main event, and she couldn’t hold back her shiver in anticipation.

Cassian of course noticed, being the observant man he was. He settled between her legs with a knowing grin, rubbing his cock against her still-sensitive clit just to be a tease.

“Don’t tease,” Nesta said, fixing him with a warning glare. “We don’t have all night.”

“Wouldn’t want you to miss your flight,” Cassian said back with a low chuckle. “Just relax, sweetheart. I’ve got you.”

Nesta didn’t have time to think of a retort before he was slowly thrusting inside her, both of them gasping at how good it felt. She’d had him so many times that she should’ve been used to it by now, but the way their bodies fit perfectly together never stopped surprising her.

She didn’t think it ever would.

“How do you want it?” Cassian asked, like he didn’t know all the ways to drive her wild.

“Hard,” Nesta answered. She wrapped a leg around his waist to pull him in closer, her breath hitching a little as it shifted the angle of his cock inside her. “And fast.”

“Whatever you want,” he replied, a little too sincerely for the roles they were supposed to be playing. She didn’t mind, though. It was just one of the many reasons she was head over heels for him. “Hold onto me, sweetheart.”

Cassian started out with a steady pace, warming things up before he really started fucking Nesta through the mattress the way she’d been craving. In response, she reached up to plunge a hand into his curls, finally getting the soft strands underneath her fingers. She knew how much he liked getting his hair pulled, and who was she to deny him the simple things in life?

“God, that feels good,” he groaned, tilting his head to create more pressure against his scalp. She tightened her hold on him and was rewarded with another groan and a faster tempo. “The things you fucking do to me.”

“Tell me,” she breathed. “Please.”

“The way you take my cock,” he answered, really starting to give it to her now, “like you were fucking made for it. Drives me insane.”

“Makes me insane,” she told him, moaning as she finally got what she wanted. She had to wrap her other leg around him so she didn’t go flying and the slight shift in angle made her cry out. “God, Cassian, harder—”

“Yeah?” he grunted. The sound of their bodies slapping together was so loud she half-wondered if their potential neighbors could hear them. “You like that?”

Nesta couldn’t help but moan again. “Yes, yes, I love it, you feel so good…”

Cassian surged forward for a kiss, open-mouthed and filthy and probably smearing whatever was left of her makeup. Nesta moaned right into his mouth as he let most of his weight settle on her, just enough to make her feel how much larger than her he was without crushing her.

They were pressed so close together Cassian was hardly thrusting in and out anymore, just grinding in deep enough for them to both feel it. It was the perfect amount of pressure for Nesta, and she arched her hips into it so she could chase down a second orgasm.

“Love when you get this wet for me,” Cassian groaned into Nesta’s ear. “Feels so fucking good.”

“Fuck,” Nesta whined, high and desperate and exactly where she knew he wanted her. “Don’t stop, don’t you dare fucking stop.”

“Yeah?” he panted. He let her pull him into another long kiss, breaking apart only to keep using that filthy mouth of his in other ways. “Gonna come on my cock?”

“Yeah,” she repeated, just as out of breath as he was. “God, please, Cassian—”

“Love you so much,” Cassian groaned, and damn her romantic side, because that was enough to finally make her come again.

Nesta clenched hard around Cassian as she came with a shriek, pushing him over the edge right alongside her. He squeezed her tight as he came, the two of them shaking apart at the same time like something out of her smutty books, and she loved him so much that she wished she could live in this moment forever.

“That was such a good idea, sweetheart,” Cassian said once they’d both caught their breath. They’d rolled over to the clean side of the bed to enjoy the afterglow in each other’s arms, though knowing them, it wouldn’t stay that way for long.

“It was, wasn’t it?” Nesta said back, pleased that everything had gone so well. It always did when Cassian was involved, but she’d worried anyway. “I’m glad you liked it.”

“Like isn’t strong enough of a word,” he told her with a grin. “I fucking loved it.”

“Good to know,” she replied, matching his grin as she leaned in for a quick peck. “Maybe next time you can pick the scenario.”

Cassian’s eyes darkened with intent. “Don’t worry, Nes. I have plenty of ideas.”

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[sunshinebingo]

idk if your request is still open but i’ll try my luck 😭

could you please do a gwynriel angst where they have to attend a friend’s wedding party and their friends didn’t know they have broken up and they were forced into a seven minutes in heaven game but instead of what their friends have expected, the seven minutes turned out to be tears and heartbreak

i’m feeling kinda sad rn and this idea suddenly popped into my head. If you couldn’t do it, totally fine

Hi anon!! My request is always open so please feel free to send me any suggestion you might have.

Thank you so so much for having sent this one. It made me cry a bit ngl 😂 I hope you like it 🤭

Gwynriel - 1.8k - No warning - Angst only

Read on Ao3 or below the cut

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Love is a losing game

Some said better to love and lose than to have never known love. Right now, Gwyn wished she had never known love at all. As she watched the two newlyweds dressed in lace and silks whiter than the roses that filled the small garden, their eyes sparkling with happiness and love, their laughs rising above that of the small party who had gathered to celebrate this new step in their life, Gwyn saw what she would never have. And she wished, more than anything, that she had never known what being in love felt like.

Her own bridesmaid outfit was a mockery of it. The ivory dress that Emerie had wanted her chosen sisters to wear when walking her down the aisle had seemed to laugh at Gwyn with every step she had made, blue bouquet in hand, towards the alter. It was all a cruel, sick joke and she hated it. Hated herself for having so stupidly walked into it.

“Hey,” Nesta’s gentle voice broke through her thoughts.

Gwyn turned to look at sister, blinking away the tears of anger that had started to fill her eyes. Nesta narrowed her eyes inquisitively. “Are you okay?”

No.

“I am,” she offered Nesta one the fakest smile she had ever forced onto her face. Gwyn shrugged at her sister’s silent insistence. “I’m just so happy for them.”

Nesta laughed and picked up her crystal glass. “You’ve always been the most romantic of the three of us,” she said, referring to Gwyn, Emerie and herself. Emerie and Nesta. The only true loves of her life besides her twin and her mother.

“And the funniest,” Gwyn added with none of the joy that usually accompanied her sass.

“And the sweetest and the smartest,” Emerie chimed in across from them, fingers entwined in her new wife’s.

Nesta hummed her approval. Gwyn wondered how long it would take for them to notice the walls she had built around herself to hide her misery. She hoped that the cracks forming in this wall as she watched everyone’s happy faces would not make the whole thing crumble before she could get far away from them.

An eruption of voices caused another crack to form. It got worse when Cassian’s boisterous voice called her name on the other side of Nesta, along with another.

“Gwyn and Azriel. It’s time to find out the truth.”

Gwyn tensed and blurted a, “What?”

She felt a wave of panic rising. Gwyn internally added more bricks to her wall. She slammed her hands against the cracks even as more tears threatened to bring it all down. She couldn’t be weak. Not now. Not in front of him. Not ever.

Not now. Please. Please.

“We need to find out if you two can spend seven minutes in heaven and keep things clean,” Rhysand explained across from Cassian, no doubt mistaking her dread for confusion. His words settled in Gwyn before she could sigh at the fact that no one had yet learned the real truth.

Only then, hours after having stepped foot here, did she look at him for more than a second. His hazel eyes were already on her. Gwyn refused to read any emotion in them. She could not bear anymore lies from him.

“Come on Gwynnie,” Cassian went on. “We already placed the bets. And I know I will win because Az hasn’t stopped looking at you.”

Feyre giggled next to Rhys. “That’s nothing new Cass.”

“I know but it’s different today. His stare has been...,” Cassian placed a finger on his chin as though he was looking for the perfect word. “...harder,” he finally added with a wink that earned him a laugh from everyone around the table.

“It’s probably the white dress,” Mor wiggled her perfect eyebrows at Gwyn.

A flush crept up Gwyn’s cheeks. Not because of the insinuation from the beautiful blond, but because there had been a time where she would have believed everything that they were saying. What a fool she had been. What a stupid, romantic, naive fool.

“Oh that pretty blush is promising,” Nesta teased next to her. “Come on.”

Before she could give any response, Nesta was out of her chair and pulling Gwyn up by the arm. Next to her, Cassian had already pulled a semi-reluctant Azriel out of his seat and was dragging him across the garden towards the small shed.

All words evaded Gwyn. All she could focus on was trying to keep herself together. She could do this. Seven minutes. She would be strong. For seven minutes.

“And no less,” Cassian exclaimed after pushing both her and Azriel in the shed. Gwyn stared at the closed door after the loud click of the lock sounded from outside.

The silence in the small dark place was louder than the faint voices on the other side. It stretched on for what felt like ten times more than seven minutes. Everything was so still around her that despite having her back to him, Gwyn felt Azriel lift his hand and reach towards her.

“Gwy-,”

“Don’t,” she took a step to the side before he could touch her shoulder.

“Gwyn plea-,”

“Don’t,” she said more firmly. Though her next words came out in a whisper. “Please, don’t.”

She turned around and faced him. She begged her heart to keep quiet and pleaded with reason to not abandon her. This situation seemed like a mirror of the last time that they had been in the same room. Suddenly, the last month faded into nothing. Gwyn felt like she was still in his living room, staring into his eyes and wondering why on earth she had ever trusted him. It was pity for herself that she had felt before she had stormed out of his apartment that night.

“Gwyn. Please,” he took a step forward and she took one back. “Let me explain.”

“What I saw was explanation enough,” she snapped.

“It’s not what you think.” His voice was laced with impatience. If she believed in his lies, she would have also discerned hurt in it. But it was probably a bit of wishful thinking from her part.

Gwyn let out a sardonic laugh. “And what would you have thought, Azriel,” she spat his name like it had become the hardest thing for her to say, “if you had seen me doing what you were doing with her.”

He ran a hand through his hair, pulling on the dark strands in frustration like he usually did.

“It was a mistake. A huge, fucking mistake. And I regret every fucking second of it.”

“A mistake...,” Gwyn tasted the word on her tongue. It was the same word he had used that day. That same word that she had turned around and around in her head for the past month while she had thought back on the years that they had spent together.

“This should have never happened, you have to believe me.”

“But it did.”

“It was a fucking mistake.” That godforsaken word again. As if saying it enough times would remove his involvement in the act he had committed. “I swear love, I never wanted to hurt you. She - ”

“She what?” her voice rose above his and made him freeze. “Did she force you to do anything?”

Azriel didn’t react. His silence was answer enough. And when he kept staring at her with those deep hazel eyes that she adored so much, with that same intensity that had made her lose her godsdamned mind so many times since she had first looked into them, her wall crumbled. Her strength to keep it up left her, running away to the darkest corner of the shed along with her resolve to keep her mouth shut.

“I thought that you would be the one to finally make me believe that I deserve this kind of love. But y-you...,” she wasn’t sure what to say except that she had to let out what had been plaguing her mind for a whole month.

“I trusted you. I...”

He took another step towards her but she stopped him with a hand on his chest. She ignored what touching him was doing to her. Ignored that she wasn’t the only one that had touched him and kept talking despite her voice coming out as sobs

“I never forced you to stay with me. You always had a choice. And you chose to hurt me.”

“I didn’t want –,”

“BUT YOU DID,” she shouted.

She didn’t notice the sudden quiet of the voices outside nor did she care. Azriel fell to his knees, tears streaming down his face. “Please, my love. This will never happen again.”

Looking at him like this made something twist inside Gwyn. Her whole body was trembling with anger and pain. An endless flow of tears started streaming down her face. How dare he make such empty promises after having ripped her heart out like he did.

“I know you still love me, Gwyn.”

She huffed. “Of course I love you.” There was no point in denying it. “I hate myself for loving you so much.”

Azriel grabbed one of her hands and brought it to his lips. “Please let me fix this. I love you more than anything.”

Another sentence that she had heard back then. As if trust could be fixed by simply snapping one’s fingers. As if those images that had haunted her for an entire month would disappear by simply piling new ones on top.

“If this is your idea of love, then it’s wrong,” she said, slowly removing her hand from his. She closed her eyes as she did so, knowing well that this would be last time she would ever let him touch her. Perhaps the last time she would ever let any man touch her. It seemed impossible in this moment that she would ever trust a man again with her heart. Not when it would always remain with the one kneeling at her feet. The sight was another mockery of the future she had dreamed for them. Another sick and cruel joke of life.

A knock sounded at the door followed by Cassian’s deep voice. “You still decent in there? Time’s over.”

Time wasn’t the only thing that was over. Gwyn was almost at the door when Azriel abruptly stood up and grabbed her wrist. Without even thinking, she turned around and slapped him so hard that the incessant knocking on the door stopped.

Azriel released her wrist and brought his hand to his cheek. His hazel eyes found hers again. His eyes were red and filled with tears, his expression full of something that she refused to acknowledge.

Since she had nothing left to say and so much more tears left to shed, Gwyn turned around and walked out, to somewhere she could mourn the loss of her heart.

[yennas-stuff]

Whats your ship? gwynriel/elucien 🥰

When was the moment you shipped them?

What are your top 3 reasons why you ship them?

What is one thing you'd love to see in their book?

Hi anon!

I absolutely love this ask. 🫶

1) What's your ship?

I would definitely say I ship both, but I am mostly an elucien shipper. I just love Lucien so much and think he would be an amazing romantic lead. I think Elain has a lot of potential to be a great pov.

When it comes to gwynriel, I love Gwyn's character. We've only had one book so far with her, so I need to know more. Azriel, tho... I have many conflicting thoughts about him, haha. I just don't know much about him, so in order not to project my own bs on him, I can't claim him as my favorite yet. The most we had of his character was in the bonus chapter and some people might hate him for it and criticize his kinda toxic way of thinking, but I have to be honest, I thought it was perfectly aligned with his character and what I thought about him before I read it. I love that he's not a perfect guy. He is disturbed and dark and needs a lot of healing. And that's what i like. The potential of it all.

I also think elucien is my preferred ship because... I like it when men lead the romance and woo their partners. Sue me, lol. I already know that Lucien is charming but full of self-esteem issues and doubt. And I'm sure I will thoroughly enjoy him being down bad (in a romantic angsty way) for Elain.

2) When was the moment you shipped them?

For Elucien, it was just before Elain was dropped into the Cauldron. The tension was already there for me when Lucien behaved the way he did and when Elain looked at him.

With Gwynriel, tbh when they first saw each other during the training. I just never felt anything from E/riel. I always thought they were so obviously boring and lacking chemistry. Sorry. And I love the "like calls to like" rule of Sjm's world. They never gave me that, so when I saw someone new in Azriel's periphery, I was hooked. And then we got the ribbon scene, and I was sure they were endgame. No bonus chapter needed.

3) What are your top 3 reasons you ship them?

For both of these ships my 1st answer would be

✨️it's all about the potential✨️

Elucien is the perfect romance for me. The reluctance on Elain's part and the fact that she's still such an enigma only makes it sweeter. When we get her POV, it will feel like such a reward.

I love the compatibility of these two pairings. I love that they can make each other into the best versions of themselves.

Elucien also has this amazing thing of being undervalued and looked over. Nobody realizes their potential for greatness. They can discover their powers t o g e t h e r, at the same time. They are truly equals in that sense. Lucien with his Day Court powers, and Elain with her whole seer thing. They are both extremely loyal. They look for the good in people others deem worthless or irredeemable.

They just fit each other like the enchanted glove fits Elain's hand.

Gwynriel is all about finding your worth and seeing the light in your own darkness. The religious vibes and singing are just a cherry on top of that.

Are these 3 reasons? I have no idea, I can't count these jumbled thoughts, sorry.

4) What is one thing you would love to see in their books?

Elucien = Elain realizing she loves everything about Lucien despite the bond, SLOW BURN, yearning. Very heated moments, meaningful looks, and a chance to see Lucien being a badass and standing up for her.

Gwynriel = Azriel healing, him fixing his approach to beautiful women lol, friends to lovers, BANTER, Gwyn being confident and smooth af, Azriel being flustered and out of his depth.

Thank you, Anon! Sorry for yapping this much. I would yap more, but I doubt anyone would read it.

[romanticatheartt]

Honestly people had some good takes when acosf was out. They acknowledged Nesta's wrong doings and also her progress but then some nasty Nesta fans joined the fandom and ruined everything. I also remember the person who started this hate toward Feyre and made it a competition between the sister

ps: I'm not sure if this was still them or someone else but I've also seen they made a competition between Gwyn and Feyre and the whole Feyre being a "breeding mare" started from them

I'm an elriel and these kind of behavior really made me mad and that's why I can't ship gwynriel because their fans really ruined them for me. I was open to the idea but everything got so messy real quick

Hi anon<3

I understand you because recently, I've seen some Gwynriel calling Feyre that specific name and it disgusted me. They also spread so many wrong information about her and it's obvious they have never read Feyre's trilogy only acosf and they heard what happened in those books from social media and specially from antis lmao trust me I've seen people doing that.

I ship Gwynriel solemnly because of them, not because I've seen awful things from e/riel side and defiantly not from antis. Just like now that I love Nesta but I can tell most of the "pro" takes around her are in bad faith and only want to spread negativity. But I understand where your feelings come from.

ACOSF made people part in many groups while it shouldn't have because the point of that book was so easy to understand, yet again some people as bitter as they are had to make everyone miserable like themselves.

And I think people talk about Nesta less and less because her fans are crazy and no one wants to interact with them lmao. As much as they want to prove to you that they understand her, they don't. And if you talk about her flaws then you're an*ti Nesta because she's a saint and did nothing wrong. They also have to bring other characters down in the process which the most immature thing I've ever seen and most of them can be debunked by the canon. But those who wants to believe the misinformation they're gonna believe it and no amount of canon text would change their mind.

[gwyns]

Genuine question. When did Azriel question his religion? I’ve seen E/riel’s say that he questioned his religion in the bonus chapter for Elain and I’m not sure when he did. Unless when he asked Rhys “what if the Cauldron was wrong”, but other than that I can’t think of when he did.

Recently an E/riel said “my favorite thing about azriel is that his response to elain having a mate that isn't him was basically, "well then this whole continents religion is wrong" which is the most melodramatic thing he could have possibly said. And then he like immediately finds out he was correct and there's no way he's ever going to shut up about it. when he inevitably starts describing her using religious imagery i will simply perish.”

I’ve always seen religious imagery being used for Gwynriel and not E/riel. I’ve thought this for a while now, but I’m scared to say anything (or if one day I want to make edits of them with religious imagery) because I don’t want E/riel’s to accuse me of “copying their aesthetic” (never mind that they copy Feysand’s). But it does make sense, at least to me, to have religious symbolism/imagery for Gwynriel. Gwyn is literally a priestess. Gwyn and Azriel. The saint and the sinner. If E/riel’s use religious as a headcanon then that’s obviously fine. We all have our own headcanons, but if I ever use religious themes for Gwynriel, then I really hope that I don’t get run off of Tumblr because of it.

Also, E/riel’s keep saying that the Cauldron is corrupted and the mating bond is fake (when they were so dead set on their ship being about rejecting the bond), but we already know that the Cauldron is corrupted. This was brought up in ACOMAF and ACOWAR. Shouldn’t E/riel’s also be bringing up Feysand’s and Nessian’s mating bond, too then? And I think the one who decides the mating bond is The Mother or some higher being (SJM herself).

that's because he didn't question his religion, he questioned his self worth. that chapter showed me at least, that az is more religious than i previously thought. he feels like the mother, the cauldron, whoever decides mates, finds him so unworthy that he doesn't deserve a predestined soulmate like his brothers. he feels left out and alone. no where was he questioning anything for elain, he was questioning why elain wasn't "given" to him. i'd even bet he's had similar thoughts about mor before because ultimately it's not about elain or mor or any other woman, it's about himself

he... never ever said anything close to that. like that description of his conversation with rhys is so misconstrued, i'm honestly impressed. they have imaginations, i'll give them that!

gwynriel has had the religious aesthetics since february of 2021 and we've never had to resort to "stealing" from that side but they sure do like to turn around and steal from every other ship in the series! what's that saying, rules for thee but not for me? something along those lines. e/riels stay being the biggest hypocrites i've ever seen

anon, i know this fandom can be scary (especially lately) but i promise you if you decide to share anything like that, the love will outweigh any hate you might receive. and if anyone is giving you a hard time just message me privately and i'll be mean right back to them for you, ok? i would love to see all the lovely things you create and i know every other gwynriel would too!!! 💖

yup! the cauldron being corrupted was like the main plot of feyre's trilogy lol this isn't anything new. but as you and others have pointed out, if the cauldron has made faulty bonds, it wouldn't just apply to elucien. you'd have to call into question every other known bond in the series. but of course e/riels don't think logically, nevermind the fact that mate bonds are decided at birth, at the earliest, and not just something that's made up in the moment like they seem to think

rhys had visions of feyre and believed she was his mate as a human. cassian suspected the same of nesta when she was human. elain and lucien didn't become mates the second she turned, their bond has been written into the tapestries of fate since before either of them were even alive. you'd think they'd learn a thing or two about how the series treats soulmates, or even just the soulmate trope in general, before they try to deconstruct it in their lame attempts at making a "compelling" romance

[acourtofthought]

Hate that you’re getting hate anons but loving the absolutely savage responses 😂

Gwynriels have been throwing shade at Eluciens for ages. I used to be in the “Elucien-Gwynriel facebook group,” and any time I had a different opinion I got shut down. I said Lucien hasn’t done anything wrong and I got shade from Gwynriels saying he betrayed Feyre and all this bs even tho Feyre literally took advantage of Lucien to piss off Tamlin and got him harassed by Ianthe again. I’ve seen Gwynriels shitting on Elain for being a bad mate while simultaneously stanning the Inner Circle who canonically have done worse to their mates. They call Elain underdeveloped because her character development is more subtle and her whole arc surrounds people underestimating her.

I love Gwyn, but she isn’t all that developed either! Yes, she has a backstory and a last name, but she has gone back to the library. I don’t blame her, recovery isn’t linear. But atp I don’t know what her storyline would be. AND…we only know her as this perfect girl who befriended Nesta. In order for Gwyn to be a well-rounded character, she has to have flaws, which we haven’t seen yet! Gwyn only just entered the story in ACOSF, and Az had like. 2 lines before ACOSF. They’ll call Elain boring but stan Azriel as this uwu hot shadow daddy when his whole personality rn is him hating himself for *checks notes* willingly being Rhysand’s torturer and not having a mate yet.

Not to mention Gwynriels passive-aggressively telling us their book is “obviously” next in our tags any time an Elucien tries to make an argument that our book is next. Like ok…we’re allowed to believe our book is next.

Not that I don’t know chill Gwynriels! But in my experience it has always been the Az stans who are propagating this “ship war.”

They just kept coming and I just kept getting more irritated, lol.

I had to leave that Facebook group too because the Elain slander was insane. I figured that when joining, it would be a safe place for both ships but survey says that was wrong.

And just to reclarify (and to your last comments), there are so many amazing Gwynriels in this fandom. The ones who love Elain and those who might not love Elain but are still respectful in how they tag. But I know from talking with other Eluciens, we have all been subject to the other ones. The ones who are on an Anti Elain agenda brought about by their hatred of E/riels. They might not be an Elain fan on their own but E/riels have made it twenty times worse for them so they constantly go out of their way to trash Elain in an effort to argue against the E/riels who trash Gwyn. But Eluciens are in the crossfire because of their constant tagging of Elain and Elucien. Some Gwynriels post that anyone who believes Elain is next is stupid, delusional, etc. without stopping to consider how that feels for their "allies" the Eluciens to read. That's why the "we're on the same side" argument feels performative because I am on the side of Pro Elain and Pro Lucien so Elain slander does not make me feel like we're on the same side. I can respect they don't care for Elain but don't sit there and try to tell me we're on the same team and I owe it to them to support their ship in the way they support their ship.

And Gwyn is great but honestly, this fandom makes you feel like you can NEVER say a single word that isn't hearts and rainbows and pure positive energy about Gwyn. I know she's set up for something more, I imagine she's set up to be Az's mate, but I am honestly scared half the time to point out that I do think she's a bit one dimensional right now (as you mentioned). It's ok for them to say Elain is boring, useless, has no personality, underdeveloped, not as nice as she seems, and so on but all hell breaks loose if anyone suggests that they'd personally like to see a little more for the Gwynriel buildup before getting their book. It's like a four letter word, even suggesting that in our opinion Elucien has been cooking for much longer and is therefore a good pairing to have the next book. I've never heard of such a thing in a fandom, getting such hate for believing in the possibility of your preferred ship being next. E/riels and some Gwynriels are gatekeeping the next book and if you dare say otherwise, you're the problem.

[elainsgirl]

I had the exact same experience as your previous anon. I joined the fandom after the reading the books and was pretty sure it was Elriel only to find Gwynriel everywhere. Confused as I didn't pick up anything of that sort going on, I looked into Gwynriel theories which led me to that person's insta. It reads of someone who loves the series but doesn't like the direction it's going and is desperately trying to make another plot out of random sentences. The presentation is pretty, which is probably why people gravitate to it, but if you think about it and realize how much they don't consider or how certain things are cherry picked, you see what's really going on. And I don't dislike her or whatever, I just feel sad because they are going to be disappointed. I hope their mass following doesn't turn against them but it seems like they have put all their eggs into one basket and hope the more powerpoints they put out will make it true.

I didnt have instagram so I had no idea which people where pushing the idea of gwynriel. For me it stemmed from tiktok, and then from there as I learn more about Gwynriel, I learnt more about certain gwynriel creators

I began seeing a pattern. They all disliked Elain, all where fanatics of the same recycled tropes, and most didnt like the NC/IC.

I will always stick by this; Gwynriels and Eluciens have motives for not shipping elriel. They hate Elain, hate how the elriel book would go, sick of the NC, love Lucien etc.

whereas elriels, dont have motives for not shipping elucien/gwynriel. We all came to the same conclusion of elriel bcs we read the text -> picked up on the most obvious foreshadowing-> elriel. Its why elriels are consistent. Out theories, arguements, fanarts, points - they are all consistent.

antis arent consistent bcs they’re constantly nit picking what matters to them and what doesn’t

Whats going on is the erasure of Elain as the next female protagonist because THEY dont like Elain. Biased opinions lead too…gwynriel and eluciens otherwise known as the unconventional theories crowd.

I mean, they’re pumped up on what they chose to take as important, the disappointment isnt on anyone else but those people. It taked a lot of gaslighting to convince yourself Azriel will get a book and not the next Archeron Sister. Whose book was literally confirmed.

People can post powerpoints until they’re blue in the face. It will never change whats canon.

[colorlesschristmastree]

I thought you were a Gwynriel? What a disappointment to know you’re not just like every Feysand on this app. Fr now what makes Elain better than Gwyn for Feysands? It doesn’t make sense to me how you would want someone like Elain to be with Azriel when Gwyn is right there. Actually Gwyn is so similar to Feyre and she would‘ve never treated her the way Elain treats her sisters. Just know that you’re not obligated to ship Elriel just because you hate Nesta and Gwyn happens to be her friend. I‘m so disappointed right now.

Hi anon,

I am truly not sure how to respond to this. Is this because of my most recent reblog? I'm sorry you're disappointed, I really am, but I'd like to take this chance to make my stance on these two ships clear.

"It doesn't make sense to me how you would want someone like Elain to be with Azriel when Gwyn is right there" "Just know you're not obligated to ship Elriel just because you hate Nesta and Gwyn happens to be her friend"

A lot to unpack here. Do I want Elain to end up with Azriel? Ehh? I don't genuinely have any vested interest in Elriel, I have a lot of Elriel moots and it pops up in my for you a lot and often there's cute things there, I see something I like, I reblog it. Do I want Gwyn to end up with Azriel? Ehh? I see equally as much Gwynriel in my for you and guess what? I sometimes will see something I like, and I'll either like it or reblog it.

You make it seem like me drifting right in between Elriel and Gwynriel is my way of punishing Gwyn for daring to be Nesta's friend, like it's me saying she doesn't deserve him for associating with Nesta. I will tell you the truth of the matter.

I do not like Azriel.

What has he done to deserve either of these two women? Is he to be some type of reward for good behavior? If I like Elriel it's because Gwyn's bad for being friends with Nesta, if I like Gwynriel it's because Elain's bad for how she treated Feyre in the cabin? Seriously? Why can't Azriel be the problem? He is the least interesting to me, I wouldn't mind if he ends up alone.

Elain and Gwyn are not competing to end up with Azriel in my mind, I truly don't think they have to. He should be the one competing for them. Elain isn't better than Gwyn to me and Gwyn isn't better than Elain. That's literally why I reblogged that post from katsum50, because I agree with them, I care more about reading a story about Elain than one on Azriel or Lucien. I think her book will be interesting and I really am curious to know what goes on in her head and how she sees the world and the people around her. In the post I recently made defending her people had literally been shipping her with her sisters abuser! Does me defending Elain from those who ship her with scum like Tamlin automatically mean I've forgotten my dislike of her actions (or lack thereof) while living in the Cabin? No! I ain't forget, thats why I need an Elain book so I can see what's what.

Gwyn and Elain both have more character and personality than Azriel has had in all the books he's appeared in. I like the respective ships for them alone. I love seeing Azriel be Elain's manservant in fanart while she gardens, providing her shade as to not burn her lovely skin. I love seeing Azriel train Gwyn to be a better warrior, so that she can cut him with more ease. I love when I see Elain drawn as a pretty fairy and Gwyn as a mermaid.

I've chosen to explain myself because I value the people who follow my blog and like my posts, but I really think you need to reevaluate how you approach the Azriel centric ships, because he is not some prize or an indication of which woman is better.

[shitwillnotbegiven]

I feel like you elrielsnignore ToG entirely because ToG is the proof that Sarah can do anything like killing off a ship that's been there for many books for a completely new ship, yet you still scream "4 books of build up". Or when you all say that Lucien will not be able to love Elain but Vassa, because Jesminda and Vassa are both wild and carefree while Elain isn't- which is so absurd, may I remind everyone that Rowan is nothing like Sam, yet Aelin still fell in love with Rowan? That Aelin is nothing like Lyria, yet Rowan still fell in love with Aelin AND Yrene is nothing like Celaena, yet Chaol still fell in love with Yrene?

Then we have Aelin and Rowan who HATED each other to death and they ended up falling for each other, yet u all yell at eluciens that elucien will never work because elain is ignoring Lucien.

We have Rowan telling Aelin straight in her face that she's not his friend, yet elriels laugh at gwynriels because Azriel wouldn't go so far as to call Gwyn a friend. Plus u guys claim how Gwynriel would be a disgusting ship, since Azriel is training Gwyn and it would be considered as a "teacher- student" relationship (when it's not?!), though we had Rowan training Aelin ALONE the whole book and no one was against that.

After EOS we got to read a bonus chapter entirely from Chaol's POV and what a surprise- the next book was his.. yet you guys spit that Azriel's bonus chapter isn't relevant.

The only thing you do not ignore from ToG is the fake mating bond between Rowan and Lyria and they believe that it will be similar to Elucien, when these two situations are completely different and it would not make any sense nor would it serve an elriel book if Elucien's bond was fake (Feysand and Nessian's mating bonds would be in question, should Elucien's bond be fake)

Pick a struggle.

Anon why don't you go rating to someone who actually cares.

[silverlinedeyes]

I didn't threaten you, so calm down, I just said that some posts and theories, especially saying that gwyn is a lightsinger, can trigger and are harmful for real people. Where is the threat? I tried to explain to you why gwynriels and Gwyn stans in general don't support that theory and I tried to be as clear as possible. You put trigger warnings? Good for you because some of your fellow elriels don't and I said that because I know many follow you and are going to read that post because they do love the drama. I wasn't talking only about you. Anyways, I read your reply, we think differently but what I said it's true. You have your opinion and I have mine but I am speaking on behalf of many people and you elriels where wondering why we don't like that theory so I tried to explain it to you. Also, you have a veeeery long record of posts filled with hate towards every character that threatens your ship and for what I've read you don't like Gwyn one bit so what do you want people to think? That you are actually interested in Gwyn as a character? No. Many elriels want her to be evil so they can claim that elriel is endgame and shipping gwynriel is bad, the same way elriels are toxic towards elucien shippers and have bullied them for years now. This answer is getting long, so I am just going to say when you post something online, you are open for criticism and I decided to be respectful and explain myself the same you do. I didn't send you no hate, I did call people out for the reasons I explained before, so don't come at me saying "thanks for the threat" and playing the victim because that's so unnecesary. I don't care if you keep posting those things, it's your blog, but don't be surprise if more people call you out when the things you write are problematic and toxic (speaking in general).

I don’t need you to explain why gwynriels don’t like the lightsinger theory, thanks. I get it. I’ve had these conversations before. That’s why I put trigger warnings and disclaimers on my lightsinger posts.

I know that gwynriels don’t support the theory (at least when it comes from elriels). That was the whole point of my post that you sent your first anon about. I’ve been told time and again by gwynriels that the lightsinger theory is problematic or disgusting, yet now I see multiple gwynriels posting about it and using it. My point was, I guess it’s only ok for them to do it? And you just further confirmed that with your original anon and this one.

“You have a veeeery long record of posts filled with hate towards every character that threatens your ship and for what I’ve read you don’t like gwyn one but so what do you want people to think?”

Wowwwww. Show me all of the posts I’ve made that are filled with hate towards every character that threatens my ship. I’ll wait. Because there aren’t any. I don’t direct hate towards other characters in ACOTAR because, wait for it, I don’t hate any of them (except for the villains).

And I literally put a screenshot in my last reply to you where I say I like Gwyn. Do I like her with Azriel? No. But do I like her character? Yes. I’ve never posted hate about her. And no, theorizing that she might be morally gray or do something bad is not “hate” towards Gwyn.

Regardless, of course when I post things online I’m open to criticism. I have accepted criticism directed at me. I have apologized when I’ve made mistakes. I have also called out inappropriate or harmful posts when I’ve seen them from elriels.

But you know what’s not ok? The doxxing, bullying, and harassment I’ve faced from gwynriels and eluciens, much of which has stemmed from my posts about a theory that gwynriels now seem to think they can post about but I can’t.

Last point: I just find it hilarious that you’re calling out some elriels for wanting gwyn to be evil to keep her away from azriel (which again, I’ve only seen a handful of times), when there are scores of evil Elain theories from gwynriels out there that literally do the same thing. But ok, I guess people can only theorize that Elain is evil, but not gwyn. Got it.

[yennas-stuff]

Few days ago, I commented on sjm's Instagram post with "Congratulations for 2M <3", Excited for the next acotar book, #gwynriel for the win!

So a person commented on it like stay delusional bit*ch it's not going to happen", i have a public account and i saw the comment like a day later and i blocked and reported them

Then a day later i get similar text like yk when the next book comes we'll see etc etc and the slut and whore calling telling me to off myself,

I read the series for distraction because i had been diagnosed with melancholia and distracting helps,

well I blocked all the accounts I got messages from (4-5) and went on about my day, on July 1 it was my mother's death anniversary and i posted a post remembering her, another fake account commented on it, that "when the next book comes I'll join my mom because i wouldn't be able to cope it not being "my precious Gwyn" and how they hope someone r*pes my corpse afterwards",

They commented it, all my family and friends saw it, and as affected as i was by that message but now my family and friends keep calling and messaging me asking what's happening why I'm getting death and rape threats,

They are actually worried and upset and thinking about involving police and stuff and I'm tired man why the fuck are trolls doing it?,

What the fuck did i ever do? I deleted my insta, im tired can we pls stop the whole trolling thing now?

Like today i saw it on here, how do you guys deal with it? Because i genuinely feel upset about it.

Hi anon!

I'm so sorry to hear it happened to you. I still can't believe how crazy people act over fictional characters. All the name calling and these threats should never happen. It's uncalled for, and I think only deeply disturbed people act this way.

As for how to deal with it... Tbh, I'm not the best person to ask for advice. I've only joined this fandom here on tumblr a month ago. So far, I have not received any mean comments or hateful messages. I hope it stays this way.

If it does happen, tho I honestly think it doesn't say anything about me, only about those who send it. I know it's easier said than done, but it's best to ignore it, block it, and go about your day. Find something to distract you from it. You can always feel safe here when you block haters and certain tags. And if you turn off anon, unfortunately. And if you need it, there are many nice people here who make this fandom fun, surround yourself with them, follow them, send them messages and the whole experience will be fun again.

And for the future, I think the safest way to enjoy this fandom for now is to stay anonymous. I know it sucks that we can't write innocent comments about our ships. But maybe for our own safety and peace of mind, it's better to make a finsta and engage with fandom this way.

Don't let them ruin your fun! Sorry if I wasn't very helpful.