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atrueneutral · 8 months ago

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I think I read on one of your posts that jealousy and actual feelings are two separate issues for Raphael? Like it’d take a while for genuine feels to really kick in?

I do agree, but would you mind discussing it some more? 👉👈

I make for a very poor analyst, but I’d be happy to discuss! I think what you’re mentioning was in response to the prompt request of ‘Raphael asking himself why he was jealous and then having the realization that his jealousy stems from romantic feelings for Tav’.

With being a fiend, jealousy simply exists and thrives within our beloved cambion. He’s jealous of all those who have what he wants; attention, power, love…

In the case of Tav, and when it comes to the events of BG3, he wants her attention because she can bring him power (with the Crown), and seeing/knowing she’s romantically involved with a companion stirs his deep (human side) desire to experience love himself. The more he dwells on it, the more everything coalesces into infatuation, which twists into obsession and suddenly why are they touching what’s his?

To me, ‘Actual Feelings’ means Raphael is opening the door (on some level) to his humanity and is working on separating himself from the tangled web of Fiendish Obsession. He’s discovering what real love entails, i.e. wants to protect her from harm, feels guilt and remorse when he causes her harm, wants to give without the expectations of getting something in return, cares for her happiness, even if it means letting go… (THIS IS SOUNDING FAMILIAR TO ME. 😉)

The difference is:

How dare that vampire spawn speak to and touch (and kiss) my little mouse! She’s mine! Oh, I want to flay his skin! Slash open that twice-damned-spawn’s insides! Hang all that he is out in the sun he cherishes! My mouse will feel empty at the loss, but I will fill the void… I’d best interrupt this disgusting display and remind her of my existence…

Versus -

Hells! I cannot bear to watch Her with him! This wretched pain I feel - to see her speak and touch (and kiss) that spawn when it is not I with whom she looks at with such affection. It should be me! Yet She has chosen another… Whose pale skin I would very much like to flay before I slash open his insides and hang all that he is out to dry in the sun he cherishes… I’d best interrupt, if only to talk to her once more…

As for when I think Actual Feelings would kick in? He’d have to spend more time with Tav outside of the events of BG3, whatever that entails, but the spark of Feelings is quick to catch. Man’s secretly yearning to experience love (but wants Hers more than anything).

My addendum: There’s never any profound moment of realization that he’s in love with Tav - only the profound moment of acceptance that he’s in love with her.

#Thanks for the ask!#Whenever the teacher called on me to analyze/elaborate on something #You better believe I was shitting my pants #The shit was needed… so I could attempt to bullshit my way to an answer #That is completely unrelated to this ask… just a fun fact about me I guess lmao #Neutral stop talking #Raphael x tav #Neutral answers #raphael bg3 #raphael the cambion

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dykedvonte · 2 months ago

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You ever just see a Mouthwashing take that makes you want to bang your head into a wall? I literally just saw someone claim Curly couldn't have been emotionally abused by Jimmy before the crash because he was in a higher position of power than Jimmy.

-Shrimp Anon

The mouthwashing fandom has shown me that people genuinely do believe that certain types of abuse are not as detrimental as other types especially when they deem those immune/resistant, ergo, believing one is objectively worse no matter how it affects the person nor the intersections of power, history and dynamics at play.

Get ready cause this is a yap session:

Cause like it's heavily implied that Curly and Jimmy's friendship was toxic and abusive, pointedly in the direction of how Jimmy uses Curly's belief/comfort in him. Curly wasn't forced to enable Jimmy but he was emotional and mentally on edge around him in almost every scene in some way. Mental and emotional abuse are not contingent on what positions you have at work. Yeah, he's Jimmy's boss but he was Jimmy's friend first and it's like getting into Psych discussion to talk about how social power tends to overshadow any perceived organizational power in the human mind. People are concerned about their jobs ofc but they tend to hang onto and put more value/investment into their personal relationships, hence why there tends to be laws and restrictions around mixing the two.

I always see the sentiments that "Curly is a grown ass man", "Curly is bigger than Jimmy", "Curly is Jimmy's boss", "He just needed a backbone" as criticisms of Curly and while I do agree that on the surface level all of these to be true and viable ways Curly could've taken more control of the situation, I often look at the parallels of Anya and Curly as victims of Jimmy pre/post crash.

The way Jimmy talks to Anya post crash is how he talked to Curly in the pre-crash segments. It's hard to pin-point mainly because we know he hates and wants nothing to do with Anya compared to his contrary but similarly handled obsessions with Curly. It's a weird sort of "honey-moon" effect of abuse Jimmy does in terms of emotional and mental victimization. He is always horrid to Anya, always talking down or questioning her abilities and thoughts in a situation, this of course includes the harassment and assault. However, he has a moment of attempted gentleness/conditioning when he question her about the mouthwash when she's contemplating drinking it at the table. The key difference is he has no personal investment in Jimmy outside wanting nothing to do with him, meaning there is no sort of romanticized version of him that he can condition her off of. He knows this, hence, why he always reverts to trying to make her to scared to oppose him.

This sort of give and take of "kindness" doesn't work on her because she knows he is just doing it to take more from her than whatever he could possibly give but it reflects even the "softer" scenes between him and Curly where he always rewords or rephrases Curly's sentiments and concerns to sound more shallow. He is feigning a deeper understanding by reworking Curly's emotions into something bad and needing to be hidden. Everything is laced with envy and resentment, an outburst just around the corner, I mean he even slams the table in the birthday party scene, a tactic in emotional manipulation to set the victim on edge and cloud their ability to respond. Even if Curly knows Jimmy won't get physical in that moment, the physical actions is intended to make him back down in the confrontation in case it does. This is something that is just not person specific. It ingrains itself into how you interact with the world and life and it shows in major and minor ways with Curly.

Post-crash, the abusive nature is more in tandem to the physical victimization Anya went through and the stripping of voice and autonomy we see take place. Like the parasite in HFIM, Jimmy speaks for Curly most of the time and puts words in his mouth, similarly to how he takes Anya's plans as his own. He very commonly, with the both of them mind you, supplements the worst aspects of himself into them; pettiness, selfishness, lack of understanding... And tries to cover himself with their best qualities; kindness, planning, initiative, etc...

These parallel are just to say that positional power has little to do with if a person can be abused and how it can even be flipped to further the abuse. There is no doubt that Curly could've picked up on Jimmy's envy of his position hence another reason he never confronted him as a Captain but as a friend as doing so would immediately put Jimmy in a space to be confrontational/combative.

I think the disdain some people have when they talk about the heavily implied if not implicitly stated emotional/mental abuse Curly experienced being Jimmy's friend is when treating it as an excuse to why he didn't do more. I can understand that completely because it is not an excuse to why he didn't do more but is a very real reason people in his position in these scenarios can experience whether in the context of a work or social environment. However, I also think the way people talk about it really does demonstrate a bigger problem when talking about abuse when somehow who is/was abused is either part of the issue or enabled it.

Harkening back to the sentiments about Curly's inaction regarding Jimmy, I think the exact phrases I used/have seen show how there is an inherent belief that it is easier to overpower the effects of emotional/mental abuse that go in tandem with the perception of Curly as someone who should be able to. There is not an age you suddenly stop being susceptible to abuse nor a set point or low where you realize how it has affected you. You don't suddenly know to stand up or put a face on to face your abuser nor admit that you inadvertently enabled them to subjugate someone else to the same treatment. Maybe it's my psych brain but their is this growing belief that direct action is somehow easy or always the best method with the game shows you instances where it is not always the case. In real life that rings true too. He should have done more, but it's not impossible to see why he struggled to find a way or didn't even if it makes us mad.

It's not easy to suddenly gain a "back-bone". You don't immediately want to resort to aggression, especially if it mirrors the type you were a victim to. You don't want to believe you allowed yourself to be treated this bad, let it get that bad or allowed something bad to happen to someone else. It is easy to be in denial, to retreat to your thoughts or make excuses to avoid the painful truth. It's frustrating but in a way we know is relatable. It why we both hate and love Curly for it. We know we'd be better, we think we'd be better, we like to think we wouldn't falter in the same ways but it's always easier to say that from the outside looking in. It's easy to see what he was doing wrong because we are seeing it, not him, but the game really does make you picture what you would do if this was your raw reality and it's why this debate about Curly seems so never ending/contradictory. We can all say what we'd do but bottom line is that's much different when you're in the moment with all the emotions and human feelings attached.

I personally think Mouthwashing tackles the themes of rape culture, enabling, toxic masculinity, types of abuse and patriarchy in ways that are meant to deconstruct the typical straightforward views we mostly have of these concepts and how little subtilities of them are just as, if not more, detrimental than the overt/obvious parts. The game deals with the idea of little details and bigger picture in a way to show that sometimes the bigger picture is not the issue but the little details that make it up. It's why I have a personal dislike of depictions of Jimmy as the typical horrible person who would of course do something like this because the game is about noticing the little warning signs, the foreshadowing and foresight.

It's why I dislike the typical discussion of "bro code" and "boys will be boys" for the game because the game makes a point to avoid the standard depictions of such. It is about the type of men who still enable despite not condoning, agreeing or even perpetuating harmful beliefs because they can't see the little details or the ways it seeps into their everyday. The severity is not obvious to them as it was not obvious to Curly, Swansea or even Daisuke the way it was to a woman like Anya. There are little details about Jimmy that should ring alarms but if you are too naive like Daisuke, too distant like Swansea or too conditioned like Curly, they are just off markers.

There is 100% more constructive/concise ways to say "Curly was a victim of Jimmy's abuse on an emotional and mental aspect that clouded his judgements and perceptions in the scenario" while also critiquing on the side of "Curly still had a responsibility to protect Anya as a crew mate and Captain that he failed to do due to biases and stigma's he failed to surpass" without the weird condemnation people give him about should've knowing better than to let himself be manipulated by a person he considered a close, if not family/best-friend and had his own reasons to trust initially. Also stop being weird about victims of abuse in general with this fandom, like sorry not everyone has a like social epiphany the moment someone's nasty to them. People are treating it like you immediately know when you are in a toxic relationship immediately or comprehend when a person is actively dangerous and either it's your fault for not knowing how to leave/cut them off or you deserve it. Like the hypocrisy of people believing how certain fans treat the story reflect their irl views but not their own is crazy.

End statement is: I honestly don't even know man, I've been writing this too long and just like no man on that ship was perfect or really helped Anya when it mattered and I feel like pitting them against each other in discussion on who did the least or most or how it was justified sucks cause in the end Anya always did the most and best thing for herself.

#i also think it is because mouthwashing is first and foremost a game about rape culture and the patriarchy especially in work spaces #regarding women and centering conversation around Curly a man rubs people wrong because it does overshadow that commentary #but it still mixes other topics into its initial theming and message on how abuse conditions you to accept certain things that are harmful #and how getting used to a culture/enviornment does not mean you are happy healthy or most importantly safe in it. I personally like to #explore those aspects where it mixes all the themes so we can discuss the ways you have to watch out for things because there is a differen #in the idea Curly enabled Jimmy just because they were bros and because he was an example of another man afraid to step out from what #is a still oppressive system that does try to punish those who act against it even if they fall in the category of those who would benefit #from it as Jimmy and PE 100% represent that sort of misogynistic system where men that would be “good” are altered until they follow line #in a way both on the personal and professional level as PE is the corporate lock out and Jimmy represents the social and its just the issue #that the discussion of it sounds like “in defense of men” when I am more so trying to discuss how it is much deeper than men being scared t #upset other men but complacency is rewarded by not becoming another person subjugated hence as all the moments Curly does try to do #something we can tie it back to how Jimmy reacts and a possible penality from PE where we now need to address the ways to combat those #two concepts so we dont get cases like Curly or Daisuke or Swansea where male avoidance of the issue is considered neutral or even good.#i think most of this boils down the perfect victim mentality to where if someone who underwent or is being abused is not a perfect example #or accpetible type than their abuse can not be considered a valid or substantial reason for effects on their behavior compounded with the #fact that Anya's abuse at the hands of Jimmy is a systematic issue that Curly is a part of even if unwillingly and was more physically #violating and topical cause sometimes i have to remind myself that all media is still critiqued through the lens of the culture it came out #in cause i do think about what if this game came out inlike 2014 like the conversations would be sooooooo different could you imagine it?#but back the before statement Curly isn't perfect but I feel like boiling it down if hes a good person or man is not the point of the game #but more so good people can still be part of the problem and the idea of condemning a person for one act creates a false sense of #rightouesness and justice that does not aid the victim and in fact aids the abusers in escaping blame for their mulitple behaviors as we se #how the men on the ship tend to blame Jimmy for just one act against them including himself while there is a plethora of things Anya is #concerned about with Jimmy #and its not that Curly just made one mistake with Jimmy but more so we consider his actions more damning because he didn't stop Jimmy #instead of focusing on the fact Jimmy did what he did regardless of Curly and the consequence because we already know he's bad n maladjuste #which is problem in the conversation where the individuals are blamed but the system and perputrator are overlooked in a sense of acceptiab #complacency as we know how they are and the lack of tangibility to personally affect them on a larger scale like I should just make a post #on like cutting out the face when it comes it confronting systems of oppression rather than tag talking but just ask me to clarify if #you want that like im jus trying to say we avoid talking about Jimmy and PE so much cause it is obvious what they do wrong that we make #the initial and inherent problem out to be one aspect someone in this case Curly does and the the constraints they use to force actions

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henrioo · 1 year ago

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I'm the only guy who uses masculine pronouns who gets really pissed off when he reads a fanfic and it says GENDER NEUTRAL, so when you read it you simply find what

"Girlfriend" "My girl" "My woman" "Mama"

Like, bitch doesn't matter if you're using a neutral pronoun, the moment you use a feminine pronoun stop being a gender-neutral reader

But I think this only gets worse in smut fanfics

The person goes there and puts GENDER NEUTRAL AFAB READER

So if you're a person with afab who isn't cis, wow, a fanfic with my genitals but neutral pronouns so I don't have dysphoria or feel uncomfortable!

And guess what? Again you will find it there

"good girl" "my girl" "my woman" "my girlfriend" and blah blah

Look man, let's be honest, do you want to write solely for female and Afab readers? Okay, it's your right! You can do this completely at will and with a clear conscience

But for god's sake! DON'T PUT ON THAT YOU'RE A FUCKING GENDER NEUTRAL READER IF YOU'RE GOING TO EVENTUALLY USE FEMALE PRONOUNS

THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS, IF YOU WANT TO USE FEMALE PRONOUNS JUST SAY IT'S A FUCKING FEM READER, IT WILL SAVE US READERS WITH MALE OR NEUTRAL PRONOUNS FROM READING THIS

That's it, my outburst of personal hatred and at the same time an extra determination to write more male reader

Because besides having a lot of fem content, it seems that the creators who try to make it gender neutral are too stupid to understand how gender and neutral pronouns work

Just say it's a FEM reader, you're not gonna die if you do this asshole

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thecircularsystem · 3 months ago

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Hey syscoursers;

As the person who coined “endo neutral”

It never once meant anti endo in disguise; it never meant pro endo in disguise.

It did not ever mean “I’m neutral on someone’s existence.”

It simply meant, as I coined it, “I don’t know what to say in this syscourse and do not want to be part of either of those groups, for whatever reason.”

When I coined it, it was because I wasn’t allowed to be pro-endo, despite believing in endogenic systems, because I was ostracized by the community for daring to be:

Nice to anti-endos

A DID system

Traumatized

Using parts language

Angry about misinformation from endogenic systems and pro-endos alike

And a million other things.

#syscourse #endo neutral #since I’m talking about that #just stop spreading that lie ffs 😭#beauty and poison go hand in hand

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dustykneed · 7 months ago

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Hello! Random whipper snipper! Share a WIP of your work!

ooh, with pleasure. six the musical araleyn fanart? in the year 2k24? more likely than you think xDD

i realize this looks finished, but technically i'm still deciding whether to add a background or not lol. still, for the sake of sharing a proper WIP, here's a line or two from an araleyn brainworm WIP that i started reworking yesterday (mild tw for religious guilt and period-typical internalized homophobia from aragon's pov):

She remembers sharing her bed with Anne at Henry's behest, remembers the nights of tossing and turning and trying not to think about Anne asleep next to her-- remembers waking up to dark hair spilling across her pillow and the press of blood-warm bosoms against her own, softer than sin, as hot as the Devil, remembers lying still as death, mouthing prayers into the heat of Anne's neck like an act of penance.

#six the musical #six the musical fanart #six the musical araleyn #araleyn #araleyn fanart #i... cannot remember if it's fandom custom to use the full name tags #ah so it appears it is in fact fandom custom #catherine of aragon #catalina de aragon #anne boleyn #today we hazard a fleeting glimpse into the abtruse psyche of the dusty...#what other fandoms do they contain? wouldnt you like to know weather boy #well i mean honestly i don't know either but we'll find out as they rotate thru my conciousness #not trek #yeaaah i'm a spones girl (gender neutral) through and through. The more you know #and before you ask no this is not the og old married couple that went so hard i gained a type in ships forever after #though they are pretty up there in my blorbo rotation cycle #... on some level i may be yelling into the void with this one but no harm in that yeah?#but maybe the six fandom isn't as dead as i've been assuming. who knows? this is my self indulgent blog dammit #ill be self indulgent <33 #also i keep forgetting it's pride month xDD my straight irls wish me happy pride and im always like OH Right nice yeah #but i haven't drawn these two in so long!! feels so good stretching the old married sapphics muscle again #dust writes #so happy about the vibe in this one ngl! theyre Soft ok. i like that very much. And also this aragon is so my type LMAO #really rambly tonight whoops. but i guess its the closest to a non-art post i can get to keep my page navigable? mm #...dammit now I'm thinking about araleyn in spones' roles. also i REALLY really should study #in hugely dire straits right now yall except i can't stop drawing/writing. whooooops.#sapphic #pride month #dust talks

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matenrou-fan · 2 years ago

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hello dear obey me! community what do we think about the devil brothers letting you live a normal life as a human being, let you enjoy your youth, adulthood and your calm old age with your weakness and powers, and then let you die peacefully. They visit your grave, talk with you and remember all those heartfelt memories.. They can't hang out with you anymore and make new funny moments, but that's what makes this time with you more valuable in their hearts.

they are too obsessed with you and with your persistence in their life, they just can't imagine their endless ages without you near them.. So of course they would try to find a way to turn you into a demon, an angel, or any other immortal creature (they would choose the fastest, painless and safest choice), so you will live a delightful infinity with them..?

#this is so random but I can't stop thinking about this #the first idea gives me chills and I love it #but honestly I would choose a second one #【little talks】#obey me #obey me imagines #obey me x gender neutral reader

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zaddyazula · 9 months ago

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the most tragic thing about aot was mikasa being that obsessed with eren COME ON GIRL

#genuinely had my head in my hands like mikasa you are better than this #i’m fairly neutral eremika i don’t really ship them (i cried over them) but christ. come on mikasa #i do love mikasa my poor girl she is stronger than i’ll ever be but please stop trying to have sex with a bird 😭 your kids are watching 😭#obviously i am joking the entire aot ending was tragic i was crying my eyes out for 40 minutes straight #but not even during season 4 throughout the whole show i was begging mikasa to do something for herself once #and saving eren’s life ten thousand times does not fall under that #zad talks #aot #aot spoilers #attack on titan #shingeki no kyojin #snk #mikasa ackerman #eren jaeger

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aitsuheart · 3 months ago

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As someone who likes Soriku, I also like Kairi. I hate how there are unfortunately some people that give everyone who likes Soriku a bad name by hating Kairi and just making her awful in non canon things.

It's quite sad.

The narrative also doesn't really do her justice either and it's such a shame. She could be really interesting. I have stated in the past, let her still have nice friendships with Sora and Riku along with various other characters. Let her have emotions about being left behind and change. Let her get frustrated that she feels that she cannot get strong enough. Let her find out what happened in her past to end up at the Destiny Islands.

I don't want her overpowered. There are some fans who show her a someone who is overpowered and can do anything and it feels like a weak characterization.

Let Kairi feel frustrated that she constantly becomes something to motivate others such as her kidnapping in kh2 and her heart getting destroyed in kh3. It would be so much more interesting if Kairi expressed that she hates how she became a liability. And I'm not saying she is, but she feels that way since she had to be saved.

Not enough people focus on that.

Let her show her feelings or emotions.

It's only reason I sometimes dislike aspects of the people who ship the opposing ship. It's not because it's opposing, but because they reduce Kairi to just that. People show her as having no character other than being a character's partner. It's the similar reason why I dislike the part in MOM where she has to turn to Sora to fight Xehanort.

Why couldn't she do it herself?

In all honesty, I'm fine with the pairing and Soriku is just really special to me.

Disclaimer: These are my thoughts of how Kairi is portrayed by fans and in canon. And what I would like to see from her in future games.

#aitsu heart #aitsu heart thoughts #kingdom hearts #soriku #soriku shipper here #kairi appreciation #kairi centric #Kairi #I feel like there are so many characters in things that are hates for stupid reasons #Kairi is one of those sadly #I remember knowing this person and they didn't finish the prologue but this person hated her for no reason #We don't talk anymore for other reasons and because they didn't like Kairi #I can understand if you are neutral because it feels that she is lacking in character but hating is excessive #stop kairi hate #also if you like thst shop it's fine #it's not about saying what ship is better #this is about aopreciating Kairi as a character #kh kairi #kairi kingdom hearts

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prettybbychim · 5 months ago

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i can count on one hand the amount of female characters in this game that have made me stop and stare but damn She. stunning i’m in love

#i think the hsr fashion style is just not my cup of tea lol #like i’m just not Wowed v often #i think i tend to like the ones that are more…conventional?#like kafka and blade and dan heng #jinglui and topaz and hanya #the ones i def don’t vibe with are seele and archeron and yukong #these are just off the top of my head lol #and then there’s others that i’m just neutral on. like bronya and gallagher and gepard #they don’t do anything for me but i don’t hate it or they don’t make me go ??? w hat #anyway after listing all these people i can’t remember the names of the two women in the image lmao #shorter one on the right is a seele to me i go ????#the one in the middle (feixiao?) invokes the same emotions i experienced when seeing hanya for the first time #gorgeous stunning i’m staring at her for 20 years #this is a new quest right? so i should tag spoilers..#man i have so many quests and shit i don’t know what’s what anymore #i think it’s brand new as of last night.. i think.. i’m pretty sure #i’ll stop talking now lol #hsr spoilers #feixiao #pretty positive that’s her name #yanqing #lemme google the other girl real quick #yunli

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seibaa-goes-baah · 3 months ago

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Making a meme so everyone knows that I haven't died yet (i'm cooking a piece rn dw-)

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labyrynth · 1 year ago

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#moi #jgy tag #jin guangyao #mdzs #mdzs talk #poll #what ‘like’ and ‘dislike’ mean is up to you #i’m imagining like…if you go out of your way to interact with them that counts as liking them #e.g. starting a conversation with ‘can i pet your dog?’ or going to a party but hanging out with the cat the whole time #if a neighbor is walking their dog and you stop to chat and the dog comes up to you #so you give it a little scritch or a pat #i might call that neutral #if you wouldn’t have interacted with the dog otherwise #basically i think it’s like this:#if you seek THEM out you like them #if they seek YOU out that’s more neutral #if you actively AVOID them that’s dislike #i have suspicions on the way this will go

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stuffyflowers · 8 months ago

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*massaging my temples with an irritated expression* I am soooooooo tired of people misunderstanding starlos character

#his lawman persona is literallyyyyyy a persona it’s spelled out in the game itself he’s not a “real sheriff” guys plea #a lot of people specifically seem to not understand how he can’t fight you in vengeance but WILL in pacifist + neutral and even talks abt #wishing he killed you when he had the chance if you killed ceroba #when like. it makes perfect sense when you actually think about it for more than three seconds. the wild east is all roleplay. even vengeful #virgil. his greatest adversary is just roleplay. it’s completely believable to me that when faced with the situation in vengeance he would #hesitate. we know in pacifist/neutral that he’s aware of the fact he’s a fraud #and this would weigh on him HEAVILY in that situation #especially when the human he’s supposed to gun down is not only a human child but the cutting image of the very people he idolised all his #life #I think it’s soooo interesting that the only times he fights/talks about fighting clover is in moments of selfishness and desperation.#his boss fight is a result of losing all his friends bc of his own ego and taking it out on a kid he dragged into everything to begin with #in flawed pacifist he wishes he shot clover before they even did anything wrong bc he lost his best friend. and while we know there are very #ain justifications that can be made (including that ceroba herself wanted to die) the law stops mattering to star the moment clover shot cer #oba #and I love that about him. I looooove that he can be selfish as fuck and not think things through and lash out in a way unlike what you’d #expect from a figure that supposedly embodies justice and the law

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claitea · 1 day ago

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read through the shadow triad's quotes page again and i'm wondering why they (or at least, one of them bc they only say this once) still say "Lord N" in bw2. if they're all loyal to ghetsis they shouldn't really care about n since he was just ghetsis's pawn right? they could have been calling n lord in bw1 to keep up appearances that n is the true king of team plasma but they don't have to do that into the sequel. wondering exactly how loyal they are to n

on a related note they do Not say "Lord Ghetsis" until the second game, even after the reveal that ghetsis was using n. then, after ghetsis's defeat, they stop using the word lord again but call themselves "royal servants" which is interesting to me. i think its some kind of honor thing where ghetsis lost the privilege of being called lord in their eyes but they're still part of the kingdom he attempted to build and so they're royal. but then why Not call him lord ghetsis in bw1? the first time they refer to him by name is while they're still serving n, so that could again be keeping up appearances, and the rest of the times are after ghetsis is defeated so it could be the honor thing again?

#clai speaks #honestly the royal thing might be a typo i'm thinking......#bc a very similar sentence is used in bw1 in similar context (farewell to bw1 protag and final battle against bw2 protag)--#--except it says ''loyal servants'' in bw1. maybe ghetsis gave them a promotion idk #i'm still trying to work on my hc post bw2 shadow triad.....#but i am not a writer. never been good at character creation. i am very much struggling to characterize any of them BEJBDJF #trying to do it Has got me interested in them though. i was kinda neutral on them before i didnt have an opinion on them #now i Want to know more about them and see how they could potentially interact with bw1 n anthea and concordia #criminal that they werent made playable in pokemas after their event debut.......#why are they and the striaton trio locked in npc jail. free them #last thought. i think i've said it before also so i wont put it up in the main part of the post but the way theres one triad member--#--who talks in a more laidback snarky way but Only Once bc once he rejoins the other two he's indistinguishable again #the loss of individuality. the way its clearly Forced bc he's like that on his own but stops when the situation calls for it. free my boy :(#ACKKK on mobile i cant edit tags. when i said ''bw1 n anthea and concordia'' i meant bw2 #but bw1 is interesting too. how much did they actually follow n. if they were ghetsis's pawns anthea and concordia must not have liked them #etc etc. the harmonias are a messy bunch its very interesting #rambling again....... i love bw so much i love talking about it :)

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randomnameless · 8 months ago

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thinking about @fantasyinvader's recent Dimitri post -

I think one of the points I'm not really fond of with AM and Boarmitri's turn to Savior!Mitri is how Dee shifts his attention from the Means to the Ends.

And sure, we have to think about the bigger scope - criticise to prevent the "Ends" means putting an end to the "Means" - but what about the ones who were sacrificed, or the ones who are and written off as "means"?

Kleiman dude really believed he was doing the right thing by chopping Duscur people (or at least putting them under the bus for something he and his lord did).

Boarmitri reacts to the "slaughtering Duscur people" strongly, and would have killed him because hey, you were slaugthering people down (or are responsible for the persecution Duscur people suffered and are still going through).

Savior!Mitri? Will put his execution on hold, to consider what Kleiman dude meant by "doing the right thing".

But, regardless of why Kleiman Dude thought was "right" or for "justice", the thing is, he still organised the massacre of several people and wrongly framed innocents to hide their involvment, which led to their persecution/massacre.

"But Lambert was removing our rights and privileges" sure, what does this has anything to do with Dedue having lost his sister to senseless murder after being wrongfuly framed for regicide?

"Kleiman Dude really believed what he was doing was right" and ? Tell that to Felix's mom, what's going to happen? People do things for all kinds of reasons, so what?

Worst offender is, of course, Supreme Leader.

Boarmitri wants to cut her down to avenge the dead (and maybe stop the war?) but when Savior!Mitri finally hears her, uh, reasoning, he is resolved to kill her because that's her choice (uh) and it's their fate???

The fuck?

Sure he mentions putting an end to the war, but the entire "we have no other choice but to fight, because it's what she wants and that's the destiny we were born to", please no?

Hopefully the first sentence "end the war" exists, otherwise I'd really believe Dee makes this fight and final battle all about Supreme Leader (and blame fate because that's hresvelg grey for you) and completely ignores the people who are, uh, living in this Fodlan ravaged by war, the ones who died because of it or are still dying because that's what war does.

What about the ones who died? The ones who are dying (or are locked in a 5 stars resort doing zumba for 5 years) ? The ones who are turned in demonic beasts? The ones who are starving?

"We have no choice but to destroy each other... Such is the destiny we were born to."

who cares about casualties, let's agree to disagree about our Ends and blame fate instead.