#Nazi Apologia

[odinsblog]

FLASHBACK: Nazi apologia - Benjamin Netanyahu said that “Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews.”

According to Netanyahu, Adolph Hitler did not want to kill Jewish people, it was Palestinians who convinced and coerced him. (source)

Fortunately, Germany did not allow his lie of Holocaust revisionism to go unchallenged. Germany accepted full responsibility for the Holocaust and would not absolve themselves from the responsibility for the atrocities committed by Hitler and the Nazis.

Holocaust experts also publicly condemned Netanyahu’s Holocaust revisionism and Nazi apologia. (source)

And just because this isn’t crazy enough, Benjamin Netanyahu’s son, Yair—who also espouses white supremacy and Nazi apologia—has long been the darling of Germany’s rightwing AfD Party and known white supremacist websites like the Daily Stormer. (source) (source)

Just putting this back up front because it is imperative that people understand how much Netanyahu and Likud hate Palestinians — enough to claim that “Palestinians are the real Nazis,” and enough to absolve Adolph Hitler of agency for his heinous crimes against humanity. Worse still, Netanyahu is using his Holocaust revisionism as a basis for leading Israel to commit collective punishment and genocide against all Palestinians.

[spot-the-antisemitism]

https://www.tumblr.com/againstpollution/757554845788045312/i-know-exactly-which-video-this-is-talking-about?source=share

Batshit insane

yeah she rebloggs tankies so of course she said this but yeah she's DEFENDING the nazis

[justinspoliticalcorner]

Matt Gertz at MMFA:

Tucker Carlson no longer shapes national media narratives the way that he did at Fox News, but he may be more powerful than ever within the Republican Party. Behind the scenes, Carlson reportedly lobbied former President Donald Trump to pick Ohio Sen. J.D. Vance as his running mate and midwifed Robert F. Kennedy’s endorsement of the GOP presidential nominee. He addressed the Republican National Convention in July and has a series of public events lined up featuring guests including Vance and Donald Trump Jr.

Carlson’s increased GOP prominence has coincided with his descent to new levels of unhinged crackpottery: The latest edition of his eponymous program dabbles in Holocaust denial and presents “Zionist” financiers as a motive force behind World War II. On Monday, Carlson published a two-hour interview with Darryl Cooper, the right-wing host of the history podcast Martyr Made. Previewing their discussion on X, Carlson wrote: “Darryl Cooper may be the best and most honest popular historian in the United States. His latest project is the most forbidden of all: trying to understand World War Two.”  Carlson praised his guest at the top of their discussion, comparing him favorably to popular historians like Jon Meacham and Anne Applebaum, whom he described as “the dumbest people in the country” who are also “dishonest political actors.”

“For those people who aren’t familiar with who you are, I want people to know who you are, and I want you to be widely recognized as the most important historian in the United States, because I think that you are,” he added. (On his Fox show in 2021, Carlson praised Cooper for a “really smart” thread validating Trump supporters who claim the 2020 presidential election was stolen.) Cooper explained to Carlson and his audience his view that legitimate German grievances are treated too unsympathetically by historians and that British Prime Minister Winston Churchill was “the chief villain” of World War II because he continued the conflict rather than admitting the Germans had triumphed in Western Europe in 1940. His argument effectively excises the Nazi ideology and the resulting genocidal slaughter of European Jews. Cooper has repeatedly demonstrated “a strange fondness for Adolf Hitler,” as Mediaite documented, including posting side-by-side a photo of Adolf Hitler and other Nazis marching in front of the Eiffel Tower and a photo of a drag performance during the 2024 Paris Olympics opening ceremony with the comment, “This may be putting it too crudely for some, but the picture on the left was infinitely preferable in virtually every way than the one on the right” (he later deleted the post).

“Throwing people in jail” for “taboo” views of WWII

Cooper presented World War II to Carlson’s audience as one of several topics that are part of our “founding mythology” in which “taboos” about how to discuss it ensure it is “profoundly misunderstood.”  Churchill, who served as prime minister of the United Kingdom from May 1940 through July 1945, emerges in Cooper’s view as “the chief villain” of the war. 

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Why Churchill “wanted a war” and “wanted to fight Germany”

Having erased the historical mass murder of European Jews, Cooper went on to suggest they were to blame for the war’s expansion.  He argued that when Churchill became prime minister in May 1940 and then evacuated British forces from Dunkirk as western and northern Europe came under Nazi control, the war was effectively already over and the Germans had won. But Churchill refused to give up in the face of German peace proposals because he “wanted a war, he wanted to fight Germany,” and continued the fight in hopes of eventually convincing the Americans to join the Allies.

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People “we only talk about privately” caused “the destruction” of the West

Carlson and Cooper went on to discuss their simpatico views on a variety of topics, from mass immigration to the United States (Carlson: “Clearly, the point of it now is to tear the place down”) and Europe (Cooper: “Those people are in the process right now of forever losing the only spot of land that they have on this Earth”) to the civil rights movement (Cooper: It was used by people seeking “a wedge issue to spark revolution in one sense or another” and bring about the “disintegration of the country”) to Trump, Viktor Orban, and Vladimir Putin (Carlson: “They’re all kind — you know, in the 1984, -5, -6, context they would be sort of moderate, maybe conservative Democrats, liberal Republicans. Like, they’re not at all what people claim they are”). Toward the end of the discussion, they tied together their discussions of World War II and modern immigration to the United States and Europe. Carlson commented that he “can’t get over the fact that the West wins” the war “and is completely destroyed in less than a century” due to immigration. “Somehow, the United States and Western Europe won — that’s the conventional understanding — and both have now look like they lost a world war,” he added. “So, like, what the hell was that? Like, there’s something very, very heavy.”

Former Fox “News” host Tucker Carlson is platforming Nazi apologia and Holocaust denialism, and Monday’s episode of The Tucker Carlson Show on his Tucker Carlson Network (TCN) reveals that depravity, as he interviewed Martyr Made podcast host Darryl Cooper.

[straightlightyagami]

On 22 June 1941, Nazi Germany launched its genocidal invasion of the Soviet Union, with the goal of ethnically cleansing the land through outright slaughter, starvation, and forced labor for eventual settlement by Germans. Although they were defeated, it was through a very high human cost; both civilians in occupied territories and captured soldiers were subjected to some of the most horrific war crimes in history. Much of the infrastructure in the western USSR was destroyed. Exact figures are disputed, but most estimates put civilian and military deaths of Soviet citizens at around 27 million. Please remember them.

[things-stronger-than-fear]

"remember who the real enemy is" "remember who killed finnick" "remember what he did to johanna" etc etc

here's the thing: 18-yo snow did not, in fact, kill finnick or torture johanna. he did not do anything to hurt them, because finnick and johanna were not even born at the time. (they deserved better, in their time. but this is not about them, because they literally did not EXIST in the time period in question.)

so -- the snowbaird shippers and the tom blyth thirst...ers (????) and the writers/artists who make good!snow tbosas aus -- they are not, in fact, implicitly supporting or forgiving president snow's atrocities. no one needs to hold a fictional 18-yo responsible for the actions of said fictional character's older self in order not be a nazi ffs.

[hellyeahheroes]

J.K. Rowling & Holocaust Denial by Caelan Conrad

This situation showcases why intersectionality is so important. bigots will always target multiple marginalized groups at the same time, and they will find strength in trying to deny they're doing it, or have done it. In fact, it is crucial for them to try to separate and isolate the groups they target That's why we must always stand together against them

-Admin

[sunset-synthetica]

we need to line Czech liberals up against the wall and start shooting and this is only partly a joke

[windupaidoneus]

now some people may not like to hear it but even the worst people who exist are still people & there is no human being who has More right than others to decide whether others deserve to live or die (does not mean i personally condemn murder in self defense or anything of the sort or killing fascists or whatever i'm just saying as a baseline This Is How it Is) & this is why the death penalty is not a good thing no matter how good & trustworthy the people in any government might be. people on average also deserve the chance to learn to do better. & no, someone who's been forcefed propaganda their entire life will not let go of that deeply entrenched mindset so easily, it's not particularly unrealistic & it absolutely sucks to deal with but in the context of tangibly working toward world peace it's also not an issue to try & help such people both in material ways & in helping them learn better rather than cut them down or abandon them to a grim fate. all this to say that's why i don't think garlemald is written badly, as unpleasant as the experience might be. walks off the stage

[storkmuffin]

Yeah. And also a Nazi fucker. You forgot that one.

[odinsblog]

For someone who supposedly wants to “denazify”Ukraine, Putin sure does a lot of Hitler apologia.

This isn't the first time Vladimir Putin has been repeating this Nazi propaganda that Poland somehow forced Hitler to invade other countries. Putin has been regurgitating this same old Nazi rhetoric for years, but thanks to one of history's biggest useful idiots, Tucker Carlson, an untold number of tankies + other assorted ignoramuses will believe Putin’s revisionist Hitler apologia.

SN: Strangely enough, Benjamin Netanyahu also engages in the same Holocaust revisionism and Nazi apologia

Anyway, if you’re still dumb + gullible enough to believe that Putin invaded Ukraine to denazify it, or because of NATO, then please send me your full name, phone number, email address, home address, birthdate, ssn, credit card numbers and all of your bank details and social media passwords. I just want to help you out with something. Believe me. The same way you believe Putin :)

👉🏿 https://www.dispropaganda.com/single-post/2020/06/20/putin-blames-poland-for-the-invasion-of-poland

[soup-mother]

really insidious piece of nazi apologia is when people aren't able to go "the Nazis were totally justified, they were defending themselves against the soviets" but also act like groups collaborating with the nazis WAS completely justified. like Ukrainians and Fins joining the SS was actually completely reasonable and understandable because they were scared of the soviets (implying there's a difference between the german anti soviet stuff and other countries that actually makes it real).

like first of all the nazis were trying to starve eastern europe into depopulation and second of all uh yknow. anti-communism was like THE big recruiting tool of national socialism. "it's not their fault for joining the nazis because their anti-communist anti-Semitism was actually grounded in reality" type shit.

again it's like "The SS were bad" is largely uncontroversial but apparently "foreign volunteers to the SS were also bad" gets touchy because it has implications for the far right holocaust denial nationalism of a number of countries

[mspec-defender]

If you consider yourself “pro-Palestinian” and then engage in the following behaviors

- Deny or downplay the holocaust or engage in the “Jewish Question” (Frankly any Nazi adjacent rhetoric)

- Deny crimes committed by Assad against his own people in Syria. Or using Syrian war crimes and reframing them as Israeli war crimes against Palestine.

- Engage in Russia apologia or believing that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is justified in any way.

I do not want to be associated with you in any way and to be honest I don’t think you genuinely care about the Palestinian people at all. I believe that you view Palestinians as nothing more than political pawns that you will use in order to further your own ideological goals rather than viewing them as people that need attention and our care and support. You are against genocide when it’s one group but when it’s other groups you will deny that any genocide is taking place at all. Your standards aren’t consistent. I’m not tolerating you in this space. Tankies and antisemites aren’t welcome.

[straightlightyagami]

if you find yourself seriously arguing “the soviets were worse than the nazis because they killed their own” at that point you might as well be graffitiing swastikas. similar intellectual contribution

[spooky-spextre-arts]

(TW: Antisemitism & Hitler apologia)

So, why is it that the crowd who has tripped over itself insisting they are merely, "just antizionist, not antisemitic" (and claim they would punch Nazis), now throwing up Nazi salutes and chanting "Heil Hitler" at Israeli Olympic athletes?

How is chanting Hitler and Nazi apologia supposed to bring aid or attention to the civilians of Gaza? Perhaps even encourage middle-ground individuals to support an independent Palestinian state? How does committing the same acts the far-right has (and be properly called out on), make any of that possible? Does growing extremism in the anti-Israel/pro-Hamas crowd guarantee anything except an increased likelihood in producing more radicalized individuals (or possibly encourage middle-ground individuals to oppose an otherwise well-intentioned cause?)

Seems like some people were just waiting for the chance to be the same people that, just a year ago, were proudly proclaiming they would punch.

[blachernaepalace]

ok so rationalist tumblr is now diving into nazi apologia, really cool!

[zvaigzdelasas]

They say that it's ridiculous to worry about the "double genocide" theory of ww2 leading to Nazi apologia and then after a beat they not only applaud a volunteer Nazi in Canadian parliament but continue to defend the nuance of applauding a volunteer Nazi even after recognizing he's a volunteer Nazi