#Napoleon and son

[napoleondidthat]

“Look at you! I am disappointed! Needed an heir to conquer the world and all that you do is lay there like you’re dead!”

[homkamiro]

I don't know if you're interested in engiespy but just hear me out

I saw again that post of yours where Spy said sth like "blessing? over my dead body!" or something like that

So, since Fred Conagher, Engineer's dad can be canonically still alive, can Spy get into the similar situation?

Like look, Fred would be much more against Spy and Engineer's relationship that Spy is against Sniper and Scout's relationship. He, as an engineer, would hate Spy as class; as a cowboy he would hate Spy for being pseudo-intellectual and how "fancy" he is; as a old christian person he would hate Spy for induce his son to sin. Spy basically literally has no chance to get his blessing. Which might lead to situation where he tells Engineer he hates his dad and Engineer will get kinda defensive about his family.

And that would be +1 reason for Sniper and Scout to make fun of Spy

That's actually a brilliant idea that I've been laughing about for a month🥹my comic came out more in a comedic manner, but that topic deserves a whole serious fanfiction me thinks...Thank you for your idea!!!

[bunniesandbeheadings]

Napoleon just ctrl+c ctrl+v’s his genes, huh?

[kririawhahha]

u might not know this but he is ACRUALLY my biolocical son (historians were too scared to admit it)

[shenpie]

napoléon Fandom please acceot Me. i am just a wee bébé et j'apprends sur napoléon maintenant .Je ne sais pas qui ces personnes sont

[empirearchives]

Alexandre Walewski wanting to skip Wellington’s funeral

This is an excerpt from the Greville memoirs. According to Greville, Louis Napoleon, then President of France, “ordered Walewski to attend the funeral” of the Duke of Wellington, who died in 1852.

“Count Walewski, then French Ambassador in London, expressed some reluctance to attend the funeral of the conqueror of Napoleon I [the Duke of Wellington], upon which Baron Brunnow said to him, ‘If this ceremony were intended to bring the Duke to life again, I can conceive your reluctance to appear at it; but as it is only to bury him, I don’t see you have anything to complain of.’”

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Source: The Greville Memoirs: A journal of the reign of Queen Victoria from 1852 to 1860. Date: November 21, 1852 (google books)

[friedrich-2]

What happens when you call the cat in Stardew Valley “Friedrich Wilhelm III” and give him the propeller hat? This.

[jabynounouille]

like father, like son...

[captainknell]

*BOOK REPORT*

Napoleon and His Son by Pierre Nezelof

First of all, this book is called a "fictionalized biography" so that leaves me to doubt most of it as "fact", at least in a word for word sense. That is my disclaimer.

This book, unlike most Napoleon books I have read, tells what the characters are thinking and feeling and saying. It seems that normally in books, direct and known quotes are the only dialogue that occurs. The way that this one is written makes it feel as if you are really there and it is easy to visualize. It's not just some dry spouting of facts. That being said, I'm not sure how historically accurate it really is.

Our story begins with Marie Louise finding out that Napoleon has divorced Josephine and is looking for a bride. She soon finds out that she is the intended target and is upset, calling Napoleon "the devil" and "the antichrist".

The story progresses through their marriage and the birth of Napoleon II. Here is the one part where I actually feel bad for Marie Louise. I can relate to her on a mom level. She had a difficult birth and then, by etiquette at the time, didn't have the moments of bonding needed for a mother and baby, especially your first baby. Napoleon II had servants for everything. He did not even need his parents. A wet nurse breastfeed him, which again, was common at the time, but breastfeeding and skin to skin contact with a baby is a HUGE thing in bonding. Marie Louise never had that chance. Now I'm not condoning her neglectful behavior later on, but I understand the reason. She did not feel close with Napoleon II, and I think that made it easier for her to just ignore him and leave him to be brought up by tutors. I know with my first son, not having EVER been around babies, that I didn't know how to connect with him at first. My husband went as far as to accuse me of not loving our son when really I just didn't know how to interact with a baby. Once I figured that out, things were much better. But what I'm saying here, is that she didn't get the chance to figure that out. She didn't have to. There were people for her son's every need except that of a real mother.

Once Napoleon went into exile, first at Elba, and then again to St. Helena, Marie Louise ran back to the only life she knew without Napoleon: Austria. Napoleon II was only a toddler. They took away his toys and French clothes and did their best to make him an Austrian prince under Metternich's careful watch. They began calling him Franz. Eventually all his French staff were removed and replaced with Austrian staff. He was kept in the dark about many things concerning his father, especially where he currently was and how he was being treated. Meanwhile, Marie Louise had quickly fallen in love with Count Neipperg, and was concealing her new life, and even new children! from her son. She was away from Franz for years at a time, often making excuses on why she couldn't travel to see him.

Franz's only friends were Sophie of Bavaria and Prokesch von Osten. Sophie was his comfort and Prokesch was his hope. They were always making grand plans to help Franz return to the French throne. He felt that these were the only people he could trust. Everyone else reported back to Metternich, who was basically holding him prisoner, keeping him away from France and even his own inheritance.

Unfortunately, Franz was a sickly young man. By the time he was 21, he was on his deathbed. Unfortunately, Prokesch was away - meeting with Franz's grandmother, Laetitia (as it is spelled in this book), mother of Napoleon Bonaparte. Sophie went into labor also at this time with her second child, and was unable to see Franz once more. She had barely left his bedside during his illness despite her pregnancy. Begrudgingly, Marie Louise showed up, ordered by her father to do so. She couldn't stomach the sight of her dying son and kept fainting/running out of the room/leaving him alone. Franz died of Tuberculosis and Metternich slept easily, knowing that the threat of Napoleon was gone.

It was a very good book with an engaging story. I would definitely recommend, but again, I caution that it might not be 100% fact.

[angelpetshop]

IM JUST A PSYCHO BABE COME AND GO OUT MY MIND I DIDNT LOSE IT BABE THERE WASNT MUCH TO FIND /lyr

[very-uncorrect]

Sock deals with his frustration over Jonathan by spending his first weekend off making him in The Sims 3, putting sim!Jon in a pool and removing the ladder

[archduchessofnowhere]

I think that that Die Kaiserin (and by extension any Sisi media) would be 100% better if it included a plot line of “Sophie had an affair with the Duke of Reichstadt and Maximilian is his son”. Yes it is a questionable theory, but somehow more accurate than some of the real plot lines the show uses.

But just imagine:

- angsty backstory for Sophie, making her more sympathetic

- Sophie liking Maximilian the most, causing FJ to be bitter

- really interesting dynamic between Napoleon III and Maximilian if they’re secretly related

- and of course in this version Maximilian would be liberal, and then perhaps there is conflict of Elisabeth not knowing whether to side with FJ or Maximilian when it comes to politics

Hi! Some years ago I think I talked about this as well, but I don't feel like searching the post jgjgk but yeah I agree!

Mandatory disclaimer: we are talking about a possible fictional plot line in a historically inaccurate tv series, this isn't a discussion as to whether the theory is true or not (which honestly, the answer is 99% likely no lol).

Die Kaiserin is such a weird series to me, because the screenwriters are not only set in being as inaccurate as they can, they for some reason also chose to be inaccurate in the most boring and uncreative way they could think of. The screenwriters decided to make Franz Josef the illegitimate son of Gustav of Vasa, which is just so... bland? To me at least. It adds nothing to FJ's character because he doesn't know this, it adds no tension because no one but Sophie and Vasa seem to know this. And to add insult to injury, Vasa is literally just Some Guy we see for two scenes and never again. What was even the point of this plot line? Like maybe someone will find out next season and this will create some sort of conflict? But even then, it will be a conflict solved before it even starts, because we know that other than malicious gossip, FJ's legitimacy as emperor of Austria was never questioned.

There's a reason for why Maximilian ended up becoming attached to the rumor instead of his elder brother (because in the early form of the rumor FJ was the love child): it just makes for a far better story. It's everything you mentioned, plus the fact that it gives Reichstadt's anticlimatic death an unexpected epilogue: his story ends now with Max's heroic death in Querétaro. Like, even their coffins were originally placed next to each other, the story just writes on its own.

Again, we are not discussing accuracy, we are discussing which one makes for a more fun to watch story. If you are so set on Sophie having an affair and one of her sons being the product of that affair in your show, then why don't you go for the infinitely more interesting plot of "Maximilian is Napoleon II's son, which automatically adds a fascinating layer to his relationship with Napoleon III, which will be important later"? I feel this is a no-brainer, the fact they went for VASA is just baffling to me (and they don't even adapted him properly, he isn't the exiled son of the King of Sweden, cousin of Sophie, he really is just Some Guy!).

Even with their bizarre characterization of Max him being the illegitimate son still makes more sense, like maybe he is Like That because he suspects the truth! Maybe that's why he and his brother don't get along! This is so easy, I legit don't get what's going on in that writing room.

[cedyat]

This happened in the movie, trust me.

[clove-pinks]

1814 portrait miniature of Lieutenant John Trumbull Ray, by artist Andrew Robertson. A Peninsular War veteran of the Napoleonic Wars in the British Army, he served under Lt. Gen. Sir Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington, and was wounded first during the Siege of Badajoz and, later, at the Battle of Salamanca.

[sarcasticbeanie]

Finished temeraire book 2 now. went in without any spoilers. Got fucking hit in the head by,, fucking. Emperor daoguang and jiaqing and also the fact that temeraire’s Chinese name is. Lung tien xiang. Dragon sky fly my beloved son.

[empirearchives]

French people, here is the Prince, object of all our wishes. By Benjamin Zix, 1811.

Français, voilà le Prince, objet de tous nos voeux

Napoleon presenting Napoleon II to a French crowd in 1811.