#Mouthwashing discourse

[lackablazeical]

I wish all my fellow SA victims a very kill the baby 🙏 kill it its a parasite 💯💯 kill it kill it its eating your insides 🎉🎉 it'll destroy you🪄🪄 its killing you 🕊☀️rip it out rip it out rip it o

[c1trvswurld]

Sometimes, I'll see an amazing mw analysis, and then they use the most ill timing, unfunny, weird joke or phrasing ever and ruin it.

This is a personalized message for any serious mw analysis that has unironically used the word "j-diddy" instead of just manning up and saying the dudes actual name. It is jimmy, he is the main protagonist in the game I assumed you've at least watched a playthrough of, correct? The guy we play as for 90% of the game and see though the nuanced and fucked eyes of. Everyone here is aware of how dark the source material is, correct again? So why are we unironically pulling a streisand effect on him? (Assuming the whole purpose is to obscure jimmy to the point he is unrecognizable/ignored) why give him that power? Why censor his name like a slur and white out his name as if we didn't all come to the table knowing that the media we were about to cut into was gonna be some terrible fucking cake.

[mouthwashingdiscourseopinions]

People who are like "don't ship MW characters" completely fail to understand that there's nuance. You can understand them well and know that it couldn't work out healthily in canon and still ship something. You can even ship something knowing it's bad! Imagine that. Anyways I love you MW shippers I ship nothing but your fanart is bomb

❤️ this is positive enough to spam the main tags

[certified-moth]

its kinda interesting seeing a lot of the female mouthwashing self insert ocs where they make themselves besties with anya who stood up for her and hate jimmy and curly

dont get me wrong I understand fully that they are not that serious, but I think there's just such a frustrating disconnect between these ocs and canon.

the truth is that if the LARGE majority of women were put on the tulpar in that situation they would not speak up of even acknowledge the situation. women dont get the privilege in workplaces like pony express to rock the boat. assuming the sexism and gender issues are the same in mouthwashing as they are irl (assuming based off plot), i have no doubt that it would be just that much harder for a woman to succeed in these workplaces, they would be struggling to be respected in their own job and temporary home, would most really push issues like this?

its too bad because I think the idea of adding another female character makes a lot of interesting routes to explore. would she avoid anya as a whole out of guilt? or an attempt to keep HERSELF safe from jimmy?

would she really just be a stand in for any fandom member who hates jimmy and loves anya & daisuke?

its easy to say "I like this character, therefore I'm putting myself into this scenario where I am besties with them!" but theres so much MORE... mouthwashing is genuinely one of the most interesting games to think about that ive seen in a long time, I wish fans were more willing to engage with the narratives it lays out, and more often use self indulgent fanworks to PUSH what the story is trying to say instead of subverting it in a way that removes all meaning

[cherry-pop-elf]

Small Mouthwashing Break

Hey guys. I know so many of you are hyped and excited for another mouthwashing fic/update to my series but the whole RussianBot situation just. I can’t

I’ve seen things that have left me painfully traumatized. Its made me scared to even open this app. I’ve seen things no one deserves to see. Enough where I won’t even mention what they are

Until the situation is solved I just can’t be part of the fandom atm. I’m already painfully traumatized as is. I have enough going on in life. I don’t need more shit like this

It’s genuinely given me nightmares and taken a toll on my health, since fibromyalgia reacts to stress. What a way to start my thanksgiving break. Just peachy huh?

I’m super sorry to everyone that’s so eager to see more of my content, who want updates, to have asks left unanswered, but I deserve to take care of myself

Hopefully a few days away will make the situation resolve itself on its own. Maybe tumblr will actually do something. Who knows

Just know I’m super sorry, but I gotta take care of myself. I love the mouthwashing fandom/game but Jesus Christ those Russian Bots man

Keep me updated on if that stupid thing gets solved. If things go get fixed. That it’ll be safe to return

I wanna keep posting and doing what I love after all. Don’t we all?

Love yall

[noperopesaredope]

Being a Curly fan (especially pre-crash) is so complicated because I want to give him a hug and pat him on the head and ogle his chest and tell him he deserves a better friend than Jambiree but I also want to grab him by the shoulders and shake him back and forth while screaming at him for being a USELESS FUCKING DUMBASS-

[marzipanxx]

are ppl actually shipping jimmy and anya....

[outlandish-dreamer]

I can say this for most of the crew, but especially Anya and Curly. They should've, at the very least, been given the opportunity to napalm Jimmy.

The people have spoken. My apologies if you somehow disagree/j

[crosstrike]

Gonna brain dump a little bit but

I feel like no one talks about the idea of curly being a victim even before the crash? Or maybe it's just me but,,

We know he's a big people pleaser,almost a doormat but I think that those characteristics could've developed with his time with Jimmy.

This isn't to excuse Curly's actions but to give more depth why he reacted that way?

I mean cmon! We see Jimmy pit Curly as the bad guy when they get the message of their unemployment.

Then not only that but he BLAMES Curly for what HE(Jimmy) did to Anya. Curly doesn't even argue and practically deflates under Jimmy's glare.

TW: Jimbo jumpscare

Anyways ,take it away pooks

@monkiestitches

[gh0sdae]

I HATE to be the first one to shoot a gun in this prestigious high property value neighbour buuuuuuut

I find it funny how the fandom struggles with giving daisuke his melanin but doesn't struggle with making the murder-rapist brown.................

[thatonedemonnamedlucifer]

sorry to be once again discourse-y, but i think people need to realize that the problem with fandom isn't shipping, fanfiction, porn or even fandom existing. the actual reasons why most fandoms become so toxic and unwelcoming is the encouragement of harassment. it's "proship vs anti" discourse (both the people and the terms themselves). it's the puritan mindsets. it's the superiority complexes that people get. it's the gatekeeping. it's the ableism, queerphobia, racism and misogyny. it's the lack of media literacy. it's sheltering people that have done harm (predators, pedophiles, bigots, fascists, etc) all of those are why fandom become toxic.

while i do agree that there ship pairings that are *yikes* and that romanticizing dark elements is *also yikes*, those aren't the main issues. i'd argue that those are a symptom of many of the above, particuarly poor media literacy, sometimes queerphobia (especially when it comes to ace characters), misogyny and a bunch of other things. (well. it's also because some people are just... shitty. but that goes without saying).

[c1trvswurld]

Some of you self proclaimed anya likers are so weird bro just saw someone say shipping a rape victim period with any other character is weird and like...you realize people with sexual trauma are not broken dolls that will crack if touched. We can still be sexual just as much as we can be repulsed. We can still love and be loved or we can chose to not. You guys unironically act like life ends when someone is assaulted, which is so weird. I don't even like shipping anya with anyone but I can see the way you guys treat not only fictional but irl rape victims through your interactions with her and it's weird how u guys pick inbetween infantilizing or demonizing her no inbetween.

[mouthwashingdiscourseopinions]

Idk where y’all get this idea that Anya is psychologically capable of violence, even towards her own rapist. “Our worst moments don’t make us monsters,” concerns Curly and Jimmy (because she thinks Curly crashed the ship & that Jimmy assaulted her). She is a nonviolent person who wouldn’t wish violence on anyone (especially given her title of a nurse, and nurses are known for nurturing, providing, protecting the life of patients, and care giving). She kills herself instead of enacting violence on Jimmy (which violent people can commit suicide, but in Anya’s case it is fundamentally different).

Basically I think the fandom has a huge projection problem which is fine, but it’s so annoyingly out of character and some of y’all will argue to hell and back & call people like me who make posts like this “victim blamers” or whatever for just pointing out that Anya Would Not Do That.

If anything, she fawns when Jimmy treats her like shit. She flights when she has to violate Curly’s autonomy and force him to swallow pills, because it is in the subtext of her assault. She doesn’t want to put Curly through a similar situation such as her (and forcing anyone, especially a rape victim, to violate the autonomy of someone else is distressing for them? Let’s get real).

Anyway, the point is, Anya would rather be 7000 miles away from Jimmy. She is a character who killed herself because she knew how bleak the situation was, especially when soon after she died, the ship was in critical oxygen levels (hence the warning emergency screens), and they were all going to asphyxiate anyway if rescue did not come. If Anya were truly violent, she would have found a way to kill Jimmy when they were all sleeping. She could have tricked Swansea for the axe or gotten the axe some other way and attacked him. But that didn’t happen, because Anya isn’t violent. And you guys portraying her as that is kind of annoying, especially with how contrarian some of you sound when someone simply disagrees.

[certified-moth]

im gonna be really real. mouthwashing fans have a real problem associating ugliness with immorality. like yeah i see your jimmy art where you go out of your way to make him unappealing. i see the way he is the ONLY character you headcanon as having a weak jaw. or poor facial structure. or wrinkles. or bad posture. the way he is the only character to ever look any less than perfect.

can we do some deep thinking about what this says about the way we think about beauty?? the way doing these things impact real people with those features?? people that look like the drawings youre doing exist irl! and you are making a lot of disgusting connections between morality and those real features that real people have.

[micro-meltdown]

Daisuke!!! Yippee!!!

Nothing bad ever happened to that boy TRUST

I have. A lot of thoughts about him.

I really dig the father-son dynamic between Swansea and Dai. That's a given. I also like to think him and Anya act like "siblings," which is cute and endearing. The relationship with Curly seems positive to me too, a healthy authority... But that's not what I want to talk about.

My thoughts always circle back to Jimmy.

In the wiki, it says that they're relationship is very negative, and even tho I do agree in some way, I don't believe it's entirely true.

The obvious: Jimmy looks down and manipulates him. It's blatantly obvious in the way he talks Dai into going into the vent. The way Jimmy gaslights him about drugging Swansea. He makes it clear that he thinks Daisuke is a rich, spoiled kid who had no business being in the ship. Useless.

But I think there's something... else.

Daisuke tries to be friendly and upbeat with everyone, and that's just how his personality is. But I have the feeling, from the way the game presents, he trusted Jimmy.

He didn't sleep next to Swansea, nor Anya. He felt comfortable and safe enough to sleep right next to Jimmy.

When Anya locked herself in, he didn't run to Swansea. He came running to Jimmy.

As horrible as that man is, you can't convince me he didn't feel some type of positive way for Dai. I think he felt the slightest hint of fondness the longer they survived. He didn't give a single shit about Anyas death because Curly was still alive. But he Freaked Out over Daisukes death.

We can't see his expression, but the way I read it he was Mortified. The burden of Dais death made him snap, pushing him further down the spiral. The first thing Jimmy did is grab the gun to kill Swansea for what he did. Some may say that Jimmy did it out of a selfish need for survival, but a part of me feels he was fueled with revenge.

I think there's Some significance that he sat Daisukes corpse closest to him. Swansea and Anya furthest.

"Daisuke would have hated him if he knew"

I see the point, but I dont agree. Daisuke would have been disgusted, horrified. He would have never condoned Jimmy's action. He would have clowned on him, defended Anya and Curly.

But Daisuke is a good kid who sees the good in everyone. He's not innocent nor pure, but he has naive faith. You can't tell me if Jimmy actually did work to change, and had something to show for it, Daisuke wouldn't have believed in him.

Maybe he would have hated him, but more likely, Daisuke would have had forgiveness in his heart.

And I think that makes everything so much more tragic. I think it would destroy Jimmy more than being hated. He can deal with hatred. It makes it easier to cope and accept.

Anyway I'm working on an afterlife au where I explore all those things yippee

Those are all my opinions and personal headcanons, yall can disagree but I won't accept criticism <3

[mrcow101]

I wish there were communities on here specifically for CSA survivors. It sucks not being able to find any friends or people I can connect to over my trauma. And every time I go into the fucking tag, there are always people arguing over anti-proship discourse. Regardless if you're proship or anti, if you discredit or disrespect or target someone's CSA, then you are a piece of shit. I can't believe this is even a debate. I especially see people arguing about whether someone deserved their abuse because of their stance on fictional media. Who CARES? Someone being a proshipper isn't an excuse; it's not a reason; it's not a justification for you to go out of your way to tell them they deserved their sexual abuse and suffering.

It's not an excuse for you to disrespect it and claim that "It didn't happen" or "You probably enjoyed it." Nobody deserved to ever suffer that kind of pain. As a CSA survivor, you should know the shameful feelings, doubts, and pain that that abuse causes, and you should understand the anger and depression that come with it. Why the hell would you wish that on anyone and over a fucking pixel? Frankly, if you ever tell someone that they deserved their CSA or wish it upon them, then you are a sexual predator in the making. Even if the person being targeted isn't a survivor and you're saying that shit, then you are a disgrace. I have a life outside of the internet; therefore, I could give less of a shit what people are into unless they're causing active harm to others and especially a child. And I mean real children, you morons. I don't have a stance on either proship or anti-discourse, and yet I constantly get targeted because I have sympathy and the common sense to say, "Hey, maybe let's not tell someone they deserved that." Or "Can we please not wish that on someone else?" This is another breed of chronically online if you believe someone deserved harassment and rape threats for telling you to cut out the harassment. I have seen rape/CSA survivors get told they “deserve it” or that they’re probably rapists or defend rapists for saying that they don’t care if someone happens to like this character that has committed these crimes because, hey, they’re not fucking real. Literally got told this myself because I told people that as a rape survivor, I didn’t care if people liked Jimmy from mouthwashing after they said, “Rape survivors would be disgusted by you” or “You’re hurting rape survivors.” It's so disgusting how so many people use rape survivors experiences and them as a whole to prove a point or start an argument.

It's proof enough that the portion of the internet that consumes these types of media and starts wars over them does not see us as human beings and is happily comfortable with dehumanizing us in favour of a drawing. It sucks to know people are more inclined to defend drawings than they are real people. The majority of you can't even begin to grasp the concept of child sexual abuse, so it's why you downplay it and dismiss it as not being entirely bad, because if you did, you wouldn't be so quick to wish it on someone or make fun of someone for it. This isn't too relevant, but it sort of is if I'm bringing up mouthwashing. People finding Anya attractive sexually or romantically doesn't make them a bad person, and labelling them a predator and accusing them of getting off at the fact that Anya is a rape victim is disgusting. Infact, it's more insulting and dehumanizing to think that just because someone is a rape survivor, they aren't allowed to be sexy or be of any sexual appeal. It's more dehumanizing to think that just because someone was raped, that is all they will ever be.

Victims are more than rape victims; they are their own person with their own lives and struggles, and making them feel bad for being sexy to others or believing that they shouldn't be able to be sexually or romantically appealing is gross. I can't speak too much from experience on this part because I am underage, not sexually active, and fear the male and female touch; however, I can give my input based on my few friends experiences and stories they've told me. I've had a friend tell me that they've been told,

"You haven't learned anything," because they dressed "revealingly" after a sexual abuse incident. Sorry to tell you this, and if it makes you mad, then get out. But rape victims are allowed to dress revealingly and "sexy" if they do please. Saying shit like this is very victim-blaming and quite literally a pipeline that rapists often give as an excuse and defence for why they rape. I don't have anything else to say, so I guess I'll log off now.