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fusion360 · 2 years ago

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Blacks in Mormonism: Mormon Church Black People

A Journey of Inclusion and Progress

Welcome to a platform dedicated to exploring the rich tapestry of beliefs and teachings within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church). Today, we embark on a significant exploration of the relationship between the Mormon Church and Black people. With a commitment to inclusivity and understanding, we delve into the historical journey, the challenges faced, and the progress made toward greater equality within our faith community with Blacks in Mormonism.

The current status of Black people in the Mormon Church is a complex and evolving issue. On the one hand, there have been significant advances in recent years. In 1978, the church reversed its ban on Black people holding the priesthood and participating in temple ordinances. Since then, Black Mormons have served in a variety of leadership roles, including as bishops, stake presidents, and general authorities. The church has also made efforts to increase diversity in its membership and leadership, and it has donated millions of dollars to Black organizations.

On the other hand, Black Mormons still face challenges in the church. Some Black Mormons report feeling marginalized or discriminated against, and they may be less likely to participate in church activities. The church has been criticized for its history of racism, and it has not yet apologized for its past teachings on race.

Here are some specific examples of the challenges that Black people still face in the Mormon Church:

Racism and discrimination. Some Black Mormons report feeling marginalized or discriminated against by other members of the church. This can take many forms, such as being excluded from social activities, being treated with suspicion, or being told that they are not as worthy as white members.

Lack of representation. Black Mormons are still underrepresented in leadership roles in the church. As of 2022, there are only two Black general authorities, and there are no Black members of the church's First Presidency or Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.

Uncomfortable history. The church's history of racism is a source of pain for many Black Mormons. The church taught for many years that Black people were less valiant in the pre-mortal life, and that this was the reason for their skin color. This teaching has been disavowed by the church, but it can still be a source of hurt for Black Mormons.

Despite these challenges, many Blacks in Mormonism find great strength and community in the church. They believe that the church's teachings are true, and they find comfort in the church's emphasis on family and service. The church has also made significant progress in recent years, and it is committed to creating a more inclusive and welcoming environment for all of its members.

I. Early History: Black People in the Early Mormon Church

In the early days of the Mormon Church, Black individuals played a vital role in its foundation. One remarkable figure was Elijah Abel, a faithful member who became one of the first Black men to receive the priesthood. His ordination in 1836 stands as evidence of the Church's initial openness and acceptance of Black individuals.

Furthermore, we must acknowledge the significant contributions of Jane Manning James, a Black woman who joined the Church and devoted her life to the faith. Her unwavering faith and commitment exemplify the resilience and dedication of Black Mormons during the early years

II. Racial Restriction and the Priesthood Ban

The issue of race within the Mormon Church took a complex turn when a priesthood ban was instituted in the mid-1800s, restricting Black individuals from holding the priesthood. It is essential to recognize that this policy stemmed from cultural and social influences of the time rather than inherent doctrinal principles.

The reasons behind this ban varied, with some early Church leaders believing that Black people were not eligible for the priesthood due to interpretations of scripture and perceived notions of lineage. While these beliefs have since evolved, it is crucial to acknowledge the historical context and the impact this restriction had on Blacks in Mormonism, who yearned for full participation and acceptance within the Church.

III. The Lifted Ban and Changing Perspectives

The year 1978 marked a significant milestone in the Mormon Church's journey toward greater inclusivity. In that year, the revelation known as Official Declaration 2 was received, lifting the priesthood ban and affirming the equality and divine worth of all individuals. This revelation marked a pivotal moment, highlighting the Church's commitment to progress, inclusion, and unity among its diverse membership.

The decision to lift the ban was guided by a deep understanding that all individuals, regardless of race, are beloved children of God and deserving of equal opportunities within the Church. This transformative event opened doors for Black Mormons to serve in leadership positions, receive temple blessings, and engage fully in the spiritual life of the faith community.

IV. Progress and Inclusion in the Modern Era

In the modern era, the Mormon Church continues to make strides toward fostering a more inclusive and diverse community. Efforts have been made to address historical and cultural challenges while promoting racial equality and understanding among members.

The Church actively encourages members to embrace diversity and engage in open dialogue to build bridges of empathy and understanding. Programs such as FamilySearch and the Genesis Group provide platforms for fostering connections and supporting Blacks in Mormonism. These initiatives serve as catalysts for unity and education, allowing members to learn from one another's unique experiences.

V. The Legacy and Contributions of Black Mormons

The legacy of Black Mormons within the faith community is one of resilience, faith, and invaluable contributions. From early pioneers like Elijah Abel and Jane Manning James to modern leaders and members, Black individuals have left an indelible mark on the Mormon Church.

Their contributions span various fields, including education, civil rights advocacy, arts, and entrepreneurship. Their unwavering commitment to the gospel principles and their unique perspectives enrich the Church's tapestry, emphasizing the importance of diverse voices in shaping the collective spiritual experience.

VI. Challenges and Continuing the Journey

While progress has been made, it is essential to acknowledge that challenges still exist for Black Mormons. The Church recognizes the need to address historical racial disparities and build bridges of understanding. It is through education, compassion, and open dialogue that we can continue to create an environment of inclusion and love for all members.

As we move forward, let us renew our commitment to learning, understanding, and celebrating the contributions of Black individuals in the Mormon Church. By actively seeking opportunities to listen, learn, and support one another, we can ensure a future where all members feel valued, included, and cherished.

Conclusion:

The journey of Blacks in Mormonism is a testament to the transformative power of inclusion and progress. While acknowledging the complexities and challenges of the past, we look to the future with hope and commitment to fostering a community that embraces the diversity of its members.

Let us continue to learn, engage, and celebrate the contributions of Black individuals within the Mormon Church. Together, we can build a vibrant and inclusive spiritual community where all are welcomed and cherished as beloved children of God.

#blacks in mormonism

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cksmart-world · 21 days ago

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SMART BOMB

The Completely Unnecessary News Analysis

By Christopher Smart

January 21, 2025

LDS TITHING FRAUD CASE — LET THE LORD DECIDE

Well, this could be difficult. Attorneys for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints argued in federal court that allegations of fraud involving billions of dollars in tithing collected over two decades cannot be decided in a secular court. That's right Wilson, it means sending it up to a higher power: Let the Lord decide. Which, if you think about it, is a pretty good defense — if it works. Tithing is a sacred obligation, the Mormon attorneys argued, and as such is off limits under the protections of the First Amendment. It amounts to an intrusion of religious thought. No Wilson, church founder Joseph Smith's Urim and Thummim did not foresee this. Nine plaintiffs are suing the church claiming that Ensign Peak Advisors, the church's investment arm, amassed $100 billion from investing tithing, while not spending any of it on charity or religious efforts. Meanwhile, they say the church spent $1.4 billion on the City Creek Center mall in Salt Lake City. This could get a little tricky for God's real estate angels: is money made by investing tithing the same as tithing — or not. The $100 billion investment portfolio came to light in 2019 by an IRS whistleblower. By hiding the largesse, plaintiffs say church leaders defrauded the faithful so they would not stop donating. But as an apostle once said, ignorance is bliss.

TICK TOCK, TICK TOCK... IS TIME RUNNING OUT FOR TIKTOK?

It's off. It's back on. Trump says he'll save it. We'll see. Four years ago, Trump wanted it banned. Now he loves it. Funny how money can change minds. Some 170 million Americans use the app owned by Chinese company ByteDance. Worldwide that number is in excess of 2 billion. TikTok, a video-hosting service, is a whole world unto itself. It connects creators and influences with new audiences and pushes trends in food, fashion and music and just about everything. It also spreads hate speech, far right extremism, antisemitism islamophobia, racism and xenophobia. It added $2 billion to the U.S. economy last year. Originally designed to sell Chinese goods to people all over the world, it has morphed into the globe's most popular website. In 2022, Mark Zuckerberg and his Meta platforms hired a high-powered lobby firm to create strategies and campaigns portraying TikTok as “a danger to American children and society.” It worked and in 2024 Congress passed a law banning the app unless it was sold from Chinese interests. The Supreme Court upheld the law ruling it did not violate TikTok's First Amendment rights. Yes, and money is speech and corporations are people. So now let's see if it's possible to close Pandora's Box.

THIS TIME AMERICA REALLY IS GOING TO BE GREAT AGAIN

This is going to be so much fun. The 47th President of the United States issued something like 100 executive orders on his first day back in the White House. It was planned to overwhelm regulators, Congress, the news media and everyone else. Gone are the days when Republicans, like Utah Sen. Mike Lee, complained that the executive branch had too much power. Here's part of the to-do list: deport everyone with brown skin; end birthright citizenship to keep them brown people from spawning Americans; close the border to avocado trucks, pardon all those Jan. 6 patriots; end the war in Ukraine, maybe now, maybe later; make Canada the 51st state; put tariffs on everything from China, including Hot Wheels; drill baby drill, lower the price of eggs, keep transgender women out of sports; make polluting great again; cut funding to “woke” schools; cut funding to everything else “woke”; make DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion) programs a felony; ban travel to Gaza, Yemen and California; outlaw teaching of critical race theory (CRT) in middle schools; extend tax cuts for billionaires; replace Obamacare with Trumpcare; weaponize the Justice Department to prosecute any and all Trump naysayers. Well, it's a start, anyway. Nobody said making America great again for certain groups was going to be easy.

Post script — That's a wrap for another historic week here at Smart Bomb where we keep track of the Village People so you don't have to. Hey Wilson, remember the Village People?They were a late-70s disco group who dressed up as various macho gay-fantasy characters — an Indian chief, a cop, a construction worker, a cowboy. Their name comes from Greenwich Village in Manhattan that had a reputation as a gayborhood. Donald Trump adopted one of the Village People's hits, Y.M.C.A. as a theme for is campaign, although it was known as a gay anthem. The band in 2020 asked him not to use the song after he threatened to shoot Black Lives Matter protestors. They later reversed their decision. The Village People are having another moment and performed at some of Trump's inauguration festivities. The only original member of the band, 73-year-old Victor Willis, said Trump really likes Y.M.C.A. "We know this [won't] make some of you happy to hear, however we believe that music is to be performed without regard to politics. Our song Y.M.C.A. is a global anthem that hopefully helps bring the country together after a tumultuous and divided campaign where our preferred candidate lost." Trump took the stage with the band at a rally on the eve of his inauguration and danced as they sang their 1978 hit. You can't unsee it.

Well Wilson, you and the band can guess what's coming next. Tell the guys to dress the part and take us out with a rousing rendition of Y.M.C.A.:

Young man, there's no need to feel down. I said, young man, pick yourself off the ground. I said, young man, 'cause you're in a new town There's no need to be unhappy. Young man, there's a place you can go. I said, young man, when you're short on your dough. You can stay there, and I'm sure you will find Many ways to have a good time. It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A. It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A. They have everything for young men to enjoy, You can hang out with all the boys... It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A. It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A. You can get yourself clean, you can have a good meal, You can do whatever you feel... Young man, are you listening to me? I said, young man, what do you wanna be? I said, young man, you can make real your dreams. But you got to know this one thing! No man does it all by himself. I said, young man, put your pride on the shelf, And just go there, to the Y.M.C.A. I'm sure they can help you today. It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A. It's fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.

(Y.M.C.A. — Village People)

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alliluyevas · 7 months ago

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Wanted to clarify regarding my statement that many people who are neither Jewish nor Mormon would be more likely to purchase Rebecca than a hypothetical Mormon doll--I don't want to discount the prevalence of antisemitism both on the right and on the left, but I do think there are is a pretty sizable population especially of progressive leaning people who are at least nominally Christian, who are both more familiar with and more comfortable with Jewish people than they are Mormons (both in terms of real people and, perhaps more relevant in this context, fictional characters.) I also think in terms of the motivations of AG fans who are also left-leaning, it matters that Jewish Americans are very strongly left leaning as a demographic and Mormons are very strongly right leaning (which is of course not to say that there aren't conservative/Republican Jewish people or liberal/progressive/Democrat Mormons, but demographically as a group). I have a much easier time picturing a progressive Christian parent purchasing Rebecca for her daughter and seeing it as a progressive and inclusive choice than the same parent choosing a doll that is explicitly Mormon.

Also, Jewish people are much less geographically concentrated in any one area of the country than Mormons are. There are definitely plenty of Americans who have never met a Jewish person, but I would guess there are fewer of them than people who have never (knowingly) met a Mormon. Just from my own personal experience, I grew up in an urban East Coast area and by the time I turned 18 I had met more Jewish people than I could feasibly count and attended bar or bat mitzvahs for several classmates. I knew five Mormons (a childhood friend of my brother's and his immediate family) and while I knew this family was LDS I knew very little about their actual religious beliefs or practice. I also learned about Judaism and Jewish people in history at my school and I can't remember ever talking about Mormonism in class at all. So I think a lot of people who are neither Jewish nor Mormon might gravitate more easily to the Jewish doll because they perceive Jewish people as less culturally isolated, more familiar, and more integrated into their communities.

Another issue that might make a Mormon doll harder to produce than a Jewish doll is that the American Jewish community is much more diverse religiously and much less centralized than Mormonism. Reform, Conservative, and Orthodox Judaism all have sizable chunks of the religious affiliation pie and a significant presence in shaping American Judaism. People who are ethnically Jewish but secular/not observant/unaffiliated are also a large demographic. On the other hand, the vast majority of Mormons are mainstream LDS. Community of Christ members and fundamentalist groups, while not exactly statistically negligible, are a much, much, smaller minority. And then within that, the LDS church is a lot more centralized than the vast majority of individual Jewish traditions. So for Jewish dolls, there are definitely arguments about, for instance, whether the dolls currently available represent Reform/secular Jewish people better than Conservative or Orthodox communities, BUT they don't necessarily have to represent everyone. I think because of the fact that the LDS church structure controls the narrative on Mormonism a lot more closely, AG would likely have to work directly with them in a way that might be creatively stifling OR face the consequences of backlash from people who might otherwise have been interested in the doll.

I also think, while a hypothetical 19th century Mormon AG character's storyline would not necessarily have to feature polygamy prominently (ie having the character herself be from a polygamist family), it would be historically remiss not to address it at all. And I think this would be somewhat difficult to discuss appropriately for the 7-12 age range that AG books generally are written for. Even if done well, it would be a non-starter for a lot of non-Mormon parents, and I actually think it might be a turn-off even for some LDS families because polygamy is an aspect of their history that many don't feel comfortable with.

Do you think they should make a Mormon pioneer American Girl?

Would I personally get a kick out of this? Yes. Do I actually think they should? Probably not.

First of all, pretty much all AG historical dolls have to navigate complex and difficult historical topics at least to some extent. Some have done it more successfully than others. For instance, Felicity was my favorite historical character as a child and I still like her as a character and enjoy her books, but they don't handle slavery well at all. I think creating a book series and a collection that talks about Mormon history in a way that is a) historically accurate and sensitive b) appeals to LDS families, who would likely be the primary audience and overwhelming majority of doll purchasers for this hypothetical character c) maybe even appeals to a broader market would be a really tall order.

Also, assuming that by "Mormon pioneer doll" you mean a character who comes to Utah in one of the first waves of migration in the mid-to-late 1840s or early 1850s, that is very close in era to Kirsten, whose stories begin in 1854, and who is also a frontier settler. There would likely be a lot of overlap between Kirsten's collection and this hypothetical doll's, as well as in the period details in the books. So this begs the question of how much this doll's inclusion would add to the overall AG historical characters canon. Of course, a major focus in Kirsten's books is her immigration story and her Swedish heritage (though, actually, you could write Utah Pioneer Doll as Scandinavian too given how much LDS conversion there was in that region during this period. That would create even more overlap with Kirsten's story, though.) By contrast, a major focus in Hypothetical Utah Pioneer Doll's story would likely be her religion, and this would be something that would be unique to her.

I wouldn't say that AG has shied away entirely from addressing religious faith and practice with their historical dolls. After all, for most of the classic six-book historical character series, the third book is centered around Christmas celebrations (for Rebecca, the focus is on Hanukkah instead and for Kaya her book series is structured differently than those of the other girls and I am not sure there's a holiday book at all.) In terms of the girls whose books I've reread most recently, Addy's church attendance is mentioned frequently in almost all her books and it's probably more thematically central than for most of the other Christian historical characters. Addy's denomination is also explicitly mentioned in the text (her family attends an African Methodist Episcopal church), while for many other characters it is more implicit. (For instance, Felicity is likely Anglican and Kirsten is almost certainly Lutheran, but neither is directly said in text to my knowledge.) It's been more than 15 years since I read Josefina's books, but I remember church attendance being mentioned more prominently in them as well. (Josefina is Catholic, though again I don't remember if this is explicitly stated the text of the stories.) If AG was to create a Mormon historical doll, her religion would have to be explicit and centralized in the text in a way that is very unusual for them.

But not completely unheard of, which brings me to another doll/storyline that is very relevant in this discussion: Rebecca. Rebecca was the first and, for a very long time, the only Jewish doll. The recently added 1990s twins are also Jewish, though it sounds like religion is comparatively deemphasized in their books, and they're much more secular. (This is a pattern with the more recent historical dolls, by which I mean both the ones created more recently and the ones whose stories are set in the more recent historical past.) I think Rebecca is the character for whom religion is the most prominent in her story (though, of course, because Judaism is an ethno-religion her stories address both her ethnic heritage and religious traditions in tandem, which makes it feel even more central.) She was also (again, until the twins were created) the only historical character who is a member of a religious minority in both a modern and historical sense. That is, in Rebecca's era Jewish Americans were a religious minority and they still are today. I think you could argue that as a Native American Kaya is sort of also a religious minority but I don't think that makes sense in the context of her time. For Catholic historical characters (Josefina, Cecile, and Marie-Grace), I think Catholics were a religious minority in the 19th century but given that it's currently the largest Christian denomination in the country that is no longer applicable. (Also, all three of those characters live in regions and eras where Catholics are the majority. I suppose if we count Best Friend dolls, the presumably-Catholic Irish Nellie is the only doll who would have lived in a context where Catholics were in fact a religious minority.)

Obviously, Mormons are Christians--or not so obviously, I suppose, given that a lot of other Christian denominations do not think they are. But they believe they are a Christian denomination, and I think that matters. Whereas obviously Jewish people are a religious minority in the sense that they are very much not Christians. But I do think Mormons were in the past and continue to be a religious minority (and the fact that they have historically troubled the boundaries of Christianity and been excluded from that by a lot of more mainstream Christians definitely contributes to that.) In the modern day, the statistics in terms of percentage of the American population are similar to Judaism, actually. There are slightly fewer Mormon Americans, about 1.5-2 percent of the population, whereas Jewish Americans are about 2-2.5 percent (though this includes people who identify as Jewish but not religiously observant.)

I feel like I'm rambling here, sorry. The point I was trying to make is that with Rebecca we do have an example of a historical doll who is a member of a (both historical and contemporary) religious minority and that minority is of relatively comparable size to Mormonism. Though I think in some ways a Jewish historical doll might be a more likely purchase for non-Jewish families than a Mormon historical doll would be for non-Mormons? I don't know if I can necessarily articulate why, though. Just a feeling. In terms of other differences I can't necessarily articulate--when Rebecca was released, having a historical character who was an Eastern European Jewish immigrant to New York City in the early 1900s felt like almost an obvious choice, as well as a necessary one. And if Rebecca hadn't been introduced, not having a Jewish historical doll would feel like a major oversight. On the contrary, if AG announced a Mormon historical doll I would be genuinely shocked. Like, knock me over with a feather shocked. I also don't feel like the lack of inclusion is a huge oversight in the way that not having a Jewish doll would be. (And, frankly, in the way the fact that they still don't have an Asian American historical doll is).

That being said, I definitely don't want to portray Mormonism as entirely inconsequential or peripheral to American history, as I don't believe it is. Mormonism is by far the largest religious tradition that originated in America and I think it overlays in really interesting ways with broader American historical issues like Westward expansion as well as issues around race, gender, religious freedom, and the boundaries of citizenship. I do think that a Mormon AG doll could potentially be very interesting. I also think it would be controversial and difficult to do well (by whatever standard "doing well" would be.)

#i think an AG character from a polygamist family would be fascinating but it is a total no go they would never do that #and no one other than me would want them to

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exmo-freakshow · 3 years ago

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a rant (CW: mentions suicide, religious trauma, and queerphobia)

I love the church I grew up in but I also hate it. I grew up feeling accepted by a wonderful community. Now I can't tell how deep their kindness goes. I feel like I have to hide my identity in order to be accepted, because I am unsure if my church leaders would ostracize me - strip me of privileges, or tell me I lack faith or that I've been deceived - if I lived truthfully. Church leaders speak words that are 99% beautiful and uplifting and 1% scary or offensive. The church spends millions on humanitarian aid while spending billions on stocks, real estate, and lobbying. It shaped my life for the better. It's now arguably making my life worse.

I love the BYU/Provo community but I also hate it. People are incredibly friendly and invite you to parties and bring you food and also whisper the word “queer” like it's a dirty word. They'll talk so much about loving everyone - and they really try! - but see any act of acceptance as "condoning sin". They are quick to serve but they also speak of people who have left the church or identify as LGBTQ+ or struggle with addictions with a strong "hate-the-sin-love-the-sinner" tone. They are very wholesome and will defend their values to their dying days yet many will bristle at being told to wear a mask. Many of them have never met a Black person before, or a queer person, or a person who is not a member of the church. They are essentially the only friends I have. I love them. I hate it.

I love BYU itself but I also hate it. It’s given me an amazing education, and its tuition is very affordable for anyone - and through scholarships, it’s technically paid me to attend. But its standards are in many ways absurd. Modesty I can understand, to a point, but a ban on beards? no colored hair? and don't even get me started on the ban on "homosexual behavior" or the outright transphobia/enbyphobia. It offers free counseling and formed an official committee for diversity and inclusion yet condemns groups for shining rainbow lights on Y mountain, refuses to issue a statement after a church leader told students to resist LGBT inclusion with proverbial "musket fire", refuses to change a problematic honor code even after sustained protests, and boasts a student body of which a whopping 0.4% are Black. In a year and a half or so I will get my degree from BYU. My time here will shape my life forever. It already has - in good ways and bad.

I love Mormon doctrine but I also hate it. There are so, so many wonderful elements to it - eternal families, personal revelation - but also enough about its shaky history - polygamy, child marriage, racism, queerphobia - that it can be hard to balance. It talks about how God’s love is unconditional but then sets conditions on how to feel that love. Much as it repeats "you don't need to be perfect," it's easy to feel like you can never measure up. And its only answer to not feeling the way you're supposed to - having doubts, not feeling like your prayers are being answered - is to just keep going. Don’t trust outside sources, they could lead you astray. Throughout my life, through my mission, it gave me hope and comfort. But when questions came, it had few answers, and when the depression and mental health struggles came, there were fewer answers still. And then, when at the ripe old age of almost 23, I finally realized I was queer, it seemed like the nail in the coffin given the Church's history and vague doctrine surrounding queerness.

I love God but I also hate Him. I still fundamentally think He exists, and that He had a hand in my life once upon a time. When I was a child, and occasionally as a missionary, I truly felt He loved me and guided my life. I loved Him back and did the things that Mormons do not because I felt I had to, but because I loved God. But it seemed like His love and closeness expired when I hit 16. Although I did not doubt God’s existence, everything was suddenly harder, and answers to prayers seemed few and far between. And then shortly after returning from missionary service, everything stopped. I was struggling with my identity and with burnout - if there was one time I needed God's love and help, it was then, but He was gone. I nearly ended my life because I felt so abandoned. It’s been a year. There’s been no indication that He cared, or was there at all. I love God for what I truly believe He's done for me in the past. I resent Him a little now.

It's General Conference time, when Mormons everywhere tune in to watch church leaders give sermons for 10 hours or so over the course of two days. It's a big deal, especially around here where you'd be hard-pressed to find a non-Mormon within a mile radius. Everyone's excited. It's wonderful. It's also conflicting, and terrifying, for some of us. I've listened to 1.5 hours or so of the 6 hours that broadcasted today. Some of it resonated with me. Some of it made me feel sick. The same thing that used to make me feel so loved is now the thing that often makes me feel unloved.

That's the end of my rant. I want to use this blog for fun rather than an outlet for religious trauma and identity crises, but with my roommates blasting Conference on the living room TV, my social media full of #ldsconf and stylized quotes, and virtually no non-Mormons in sight, it's what's inevitably on my mind. Hopefully in a few days my brain will be off its bullshit and back onto its desired path of shitposting and memes.

#byu #lgbtq #mormon #ldsconf #conference rant #genconf

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godsporncollection · 4 years ago

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Saturday GC Sessions Summary

Topics, quotes, and summaries of the talks given in the Saturday sessions of the fall 2020 General Conference (with occasional commentary in parenthesis)

*This is (mostly) written from a TBM pov, so I’ve glossed over many... unsavory things. That said, if you’re gonna quote this, definitely proofread it first because I occasionally switch to exmo pov.

Sunday Sessions (long version)

Sunday Sessions (shorter version)

Russel M Nelson

Hopeful, holy bullshit/look at all the spiritually awesome stuff we're doing/gonna do. (idk, there didn't really seem to be much of a talk there)

David A Bednar

Tests in school are as important as the tests of us living on earth.

"Prove, examine, and try."

"If ye are prepared, ye shall not fear."

Susan and I looked over our food storage and learned that we did well in most areas, but found some expired things we were afraid would unleash another global pandemic.

Remember, when loved ones die, and you don't know why, god does. It's a lesson in faith.

Scott D Whiting

How to be more like christ.

Wife and I were in Japan, hiking up a mountain; it was hard because altitude.

One step at a time is how we become more like christ.

Honesty is important, honesty with ourselves.

You can ask others how they view you, but god is a better person to ask, with his perfect view of us.

REPENT! to be the best version of ourselves. Change your heart and mind to be like christ.

Choose one attribute to focus on at a time. Constantly ask god for help, but don't be selfish.

"Be the tide that raises all boats in the harbor."

Recognize that desired attribute in others. Put in a lot of effort.

Caution- don't feel guilty, unworthy, or unloved; that is not what life is about.

You are good enough and loved, but that doesn't mean you're a perfect version of yourself.

Michelle D Craig

Story of Elijah for allegory of struggling to see how god is in your life.

Wait and trust in god. Pray for the lord to open your eyes. Understand how god sees you.

Ask yourself: what am I doing that I should stop and what should I be doing?

Stop looking at your phone. I think it's a good time to multitask, but the spirit told me to stop and the next day, while in line at the grocery store, I looked at the people around me instead. I saw old man and struck up a conversation with him based on what was in his cart (cat food). He said it was his birthday so I wished him a happy birthday. This guy needed me to see him.

A story of a friend who separated from her husband and hoped nobody would talk to her at church. A young woman kept looking back at her and came up to her after sacrament meeting. The young woman told her she loved her and they became friends and it helped her because she felt noticed and cared about.

Ask god to help you see others and act to affirm their lives. This is how we identify our own purpose.

Quentin L Cook

Righteousness. Female followers of brigham young found career opportunites in Utah and friends in the native americans. (Gave a whole bullshit Utah thanksgiving story, complete with rewriting history so white people can feel better about themselves for feeding the natives). There is unity in respect. Historically, we have not been perfect, but that is the goal. We don't need to have all the blessings of god to be righteous. Love god and fellow man to live in eternal peace and happiness with god. "Historical record" in 1 nephi shows there were no happier people because of righteousness. But then that society was destroyed so much that mormon asked how they would avoid punishment. We live in that latter time, not unity. Our challenge is to lift and bless society as a whole. Demonstrated by ethnic harmony and an all inclusive doctrine. Unity and diversity are not opposites. All races and colors are children of god. Laws written in god's chosen land (US) were written by imperfect men, but inspired by god for equal treatment of all men. Remember that we were onced very opressed because we wanted to share jesus' love. If you are not united, you are not god's children. Gosple culture is greater than regional cultures. We honor pioneers because of their struggles.

Ronald A Rasband

Supplying the world with temples is a holy duty.

Sacred ordinaces lead to exaltation.

"Temples rise above the ways of the world. Every temple... stand as testaments to our faith and eternal life and the joy of spending it with our families and heavenly father. They increase understanding of the godhead and the everlasting gospel and commitment to live and teach truth and our willingness to follow the example of jesus."

I learned an important lesson while visiting my father in law as he was dying; that temple recommends are important, even while dying.

The worthiness interview "is not about do's and dont's. It is about finding your worthiness and to testify of your devotion to the gospel teachings."

(I stopped paying attention for a while.)

Hunter said his biggest desire was to have every member hold a temple recommend.

Come get yo rec's! "Whether you have access to a temple or not, it is still important to remain and prove your worthiness."

(I'm really struggling to pay attention to this guy and holy shit he stressed "be patient" while I was typing that.)

Dallin H Oaks

"The lord's teachings are for eternity and for all of god's children."

My examples will be US-centric, but I'm sure that the issues the US face are universal, right?

Destrucitve behavior in political statements are not good.

Remember that JC said to love your enemies. Contention is of the devil, not JC. It isn't easy. Seek and ye shall find the strength to love.

Follow the laws of man.

Nobody can make us angry, it is our choice to be angry.

(Reference to The King and I-) learn about other people's culture.

Don't participate in rioting.

Wait, he's supporting the first ammendement- oh, the stress here is on the word "peaceful". We must do better to end racism. But remember to be peaceful! No violence. Anarchy is evil. Lincoln said "there is no greivance that is a fit object of redress by mob law". It undermines individual rights, not protects.

The US was started by diverse people! We're inherintly diverse! Here's a diverse (british) example!

AFTERNOON SESSION

D Todd Christofferson

There's a 2030 sustainable development agreement thingy. It's got 17 goals including- no poverty, no hunger, quality education, gender equality, clean water and sanitation, and decent work. It is interesting and important.

More important is a sustainable society.

Two biblical examples: 1. The city of enoch. They were of one heart and one mind. 2. The 1st generations of nephites an lamanites. No envies nor strifes. No murders or lying. No happier people than them. Love thy neighbor. Every man seeking the interests of his neighbor. Virtues uphold these societies.

Then they became exceedingly wicked and millions died in wars amongst themselves.

"When people turn from a sense of accountability to god and begin to trust instead in the arm of flesh (?)", disaster lurks.

A good life is more important than a long life.

I'm so fucking blessed, so this really isn't a good topic for me, but here we are.

The light of christ is what uneducated people call a consience.

"When one has no higher god than himself, and seeks no greater good than satisfying his own appetites and preferences, the effects will be manifest in due course. A society, for example, in which individual consent is the only constraint on sexual activity is a society in decay. Adultery, promiscuity, elective abortion and out of wedlock births are but some of the bitter fruit that grow out of the immorality sanctioned by the sexual revolution." This leads to poverty and fatherless families, sometimes in multiple generations, and deficient education and mental destruction.

"Our joyous message is that there is a better way through god... (the core truths of this message are) god lives, he is the heavenly father of our spirits, that as a manifestation of his love, he's given us commandments that lead to a fullnes of joy with him, that JC is the son of god and our redeemer, that he suffered and died to atone for sins on condition of our repentance, that he rose from the dead, bringing to pass the resurrection of human kind, and that we will all stand before him to be judged."

Steven J Lund

My son had cancer. It was hard. He was in lots of pain, but still wanted to go to church even when his mom suggested he stay home. He knew he inspired others when they saw him there, representing the savior by willingly suffering to serve.

All youth programs are there to help them be more like JC.

They are surrounded by things that keep helping them do that, but they're still making mistakes, so parents and leaders need to step up (potterheads grab your wands).

Gerrit W Gong

Family of 10 is hated by neighbors, nobody likes them until their house burns down. Then they were showed kindness, hope, and understanding by their neighbors helping them.

"Our 2020 bicentenniel proclamation begins with the profoundly inclusive promise that god loves his children in every nation of the world. Each of us in every nation... god promises covenants, and invites us to come partake of his abundant joy and goodness. God's love for all people is affirmed throughout scripture that love encompasses the abrahamic covenent, gathering his scattered children, and his plan of happiness. In the house of faith, there are to be no strangers, no foreigners, no rich and poor, no outside others. As fellow citizens with the saints, we're invited to help the world for the better, from inside out; one person, one family, one neighborhood at a time. This happens when we share the gospel."

Church materials are available in many regions and languages. We're gonna focus on that for a while. (And I stopped paying attention again. This dude is boring af. And I have a high threshold for boring right now)

Talking about how members do charity work.

W Christopher Waddell

Some kid said it was the greatest day of his life to meet this guy who talks to the profit a couple of times a week. The story is given with the obvious topic of "we thank thee oh god for a prophet".

Prophets tell us to prepare for crisis.

We understand your struggles and want to express that there are better days ahead. Church leaders can help you.

The lord loves effort.

Have stores of food and money, but don't go to extremes in your efforts to establish those things.

We have a brochure on finances with quotes from people about how god will provide.

Remember Joseph in Egypt.

"All things are spiritual to the lord and not at any time has he given us a law which is temporal."

Manage your finances and have food storage.

Matthew S Holland

The feeling of Alma remembering his sins are as painful as passing a kidney stone (?!).

Repentance will bring us relief.

We have no idea how bad our suffering will be if we don't repent.

"Medical science, professional counseling or legal rectification can help alleviate such suffering but note, all good gifts including these, come from the savior. Regardless [of] the causes of our worst hurt or heartaches, the ultimate source of relief is the same: JC. He alone holds the full power and healing balm to correct every mistake, right every wrong, adjust every imperfection, mend every wound, and deliver every delayed blessing."

When you feel like nobody could understand your suffering, remember that jesus can.

"Suffering in righteousness helps qualify your for, rather than distinguishes you from, god's elect."

William K Jackson

An Indian dude didn't want to turn his back on his culture in order to convert with the rest of his family. But JC was able to open his eyes to a different viewpoint.

Our original culture is the culture of Adam and Enoch. It is the greatest of all cultures. There is no "us v them" mentality in the greatest of all cultures.

"We believe that we are responsible and accountable for ourselves, each other, the church, and our world. Faith in JC is the first principle of our culture, and obedience to his teachings and commandments is the outcome.”

“It is a culture of covenants and ordinances, high moral standards, sacrifice, forgiveness, repentance, and caring for the temple of our bodies. It is a culture of the preisthood, the authority to act in god's name, the power of god to bless his children. It edifies and enables individuals to be better people, leaders, mothers, fathers, and companions- and it sanctifies the home. In the culture of christ, women are elevated to their proper and eternal status. They are not subservient to men, as in many cultures in today's world, but full and equal partners here and in the world to come.”

“The family is the basic unit of eternity. The perfection of the family is worth any sacrifice" because, as has been taught, "no other success can compensate for failure in the home."

This culture is concerned with things of lasting worth.

It is inclusive, not exclusive.

"Because this culture results from the application of our savior's teachings, it helps provide a healing balm of which our world (cue crying) is in such desperate need. What a blessing it is to be a part of this grand and (voice wavering) *noble* way of life. The church is hardly a western society or an american cultural phenomenon. it is an international church, as it was always meant to be. New members from around the world bring richness, diversity, and excitement into our ever-growing family!" (hallelujah!)

Indian dude joined the church, of course.

"What a marvelous heritage (quiet sob) we all share!"

Dieter F Uchtdorf

Because of a threat from the US military, the SLC temple was buried during constrution. When the threat had passed, they excavated it and found that many stones in the foundation had cracked and were replaced. "Finally, the saints could sing How Firm a Foundation and know their holy temple was built on a foundation that would last for generations.”

“This story can teach us how god uses adversity to bring about his purposes." Which is an appropriate topic these days.

We mourn with those who have lost loved ones to covid.

"My message today is that even though this pandemic is not what we wanted or expected, god has prepared his children and his church for this time."

We will do more than survive, we will move forward and we will be better as a result.

We are like seeds that must be buried before they can sprout. "The love of god and blessing of the restored gospel of JC will bring something unimaginable to spring forth."

Hardships strengthen our character.

"What we learn from biblical examples? 1. The righteous are not given a free pass that allows them to avoid the valleys of shadow... 2. Our heavenly father knows that we suffer, and because we are his children, he will not abandon us..."

"Our best days are ahead of us, not behind us. This is why god gives us modern revelation."

(I stopped paying attention during an aviation allegory.)

Stories of new/potential converts going to appointments early because of excitement. "Our missionaries are busier than ever."

WOMEN'S SESSION

Sharon Eubank

Story of a kid rewarded with his favorite pie for doing chores. He was selfish when his sister asked if she and her friend could have some because they didn't earn it, but changed his mind later. This showed that he was willing to change and show kindness to those who didn't deserve it.

"By union of feeling, we obtain power with god."

I don't like this world. It sucks and I want to make it better and sometimes I feel powerless, but I have done lots of soul searching and have three suggestions.

1. Have mercy. Jacob 2:17, but replace the word "substance" with the word "mercy". We need more mercy in our ministering. "If you would have god have mercy on you, have mercy on each other."

2. Make your boat swing. Rowing definition: "swing" is when all are rowing in such perfect unison that not a single action is out of sync. Somehow, individuality is crucial to this; clones couldn't do it. "Differences can be turned to advantage instead of disadvantage." This makes you go fast and they won because of that.

3. Clear away the bad as fast as the good can grow. Jacob 5: good tree is planted in good ground but was corrupted. A servant asks that the tree be given another chance and then the tree grows good fruit. JC is like the owner of the vinyard, and gives us mercy, if we can give it to each other.

"I believe the change we seek in ourselves and in the groups we belong to will come less by activism and more by actively trying every day to understand one another" because we're building zion.

As women, we have broad influence to remove prejudice and build unity. "I offer this invitation: be part of a collective force that changes the world for good." We're supposed to help others. "The women of this church have the potential to change society."

Rebecca M Craven

(I... I can't focus on this woman long enough to piece together what the fuck she's saying. Sorry.)

I think the overall topic is changing yourself to atone/repent.

Cristina B Franco

This year has given us many surprises that have left us broken.

Personal story about getting a piano. One of the delivery guys slipped and broke it. The delivery guys went back to arrange the delivery of a new piano, but her husband asked if it could just be repaired instead. The manager said "the wood is broken, and once the wood is broken, it can never sound the same."

We are like the broken piano, feeling broken and that we'll never be the same again. "However, as we come unto JC by exercising faith in him, repenting, and making and keeping covenants, our brokenness, whatever it's cause, can be healed [by the savior's healing power to make us better than we were.]." Faith in god heals us.

Story of Alma where god promised to ease their burdens.

(Really long quote from Alma that she doesn't source).

The savior is a refuge from the storm.

(Is there a rule that women can't have more than 20% original content in their talks? What is with all the quotes from other people, with barely anything to make them relate to each other?)

THAT'S MY HIGH SCHOOL CHOIR TEACHER DIRECTING THE SEPT 2014 CHOIR!!!

Bonnie H Cordon

JC is the light and the life of the world; the light that shines in the darkness.

Shit's been hard these last few months, but we see you praying and working hard to seek out JC.

Video

Gloomy shit and then "inspiring/soothing" pics of JC, then those same gloomy people are shown being happy while doing normal, everyday stuff. Lots of black people to show diversity and even a deaf woman signing in a video chat on her phone. (It's driving me crazy that i can't remember the song that's playing.) Then back to a pic of JC.

Henry B Eyring

"Every day we are approaching closer to the glorious moment when the savior JC will come to earth again."

"As the beloved daughters of heavenly father, and as the daughters of the lord JC in his kingdom, you will play a crucial part in the grand times ahead."

Prepare to live as the people in the city of enoch did.

Another unsourced quote of "what will happen in this last dispensation of the fulness of times": (was that wording really necessary?) dark skies, earthquakes, etc, but chosen people will be fine. They'll all be gathered into one place (that we could... maybee.... do something to? jk. unless...?).

Women will be at the heart of creating that society.

Quotes about the importance of women and the relief society.

Quotes about how pure and faithful the city of Enoch was.

"My experience has taught me that heavenly father's daughters have a gift to allay contention and to promote righteousness with their love of god and with the love of god they engender in those they serve." (fuck you)

Seeing a household without a preisthood member gave me glimpse of zion because the women were supportive and loving.

Why is it Oaks again?

"In the world, ye shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer, i have overcome the world."

Today, "we are also troubled on every side, and we also need that same message not to despair, but to be of good cheer."

JC knows your wants and fears.

"Be of good cheer."

Opposition is essential (anyone know of that musical 'my turn on earth' or am i just old? I've got 'opposition' stuck in my head).

Shit sucks right now. Covid and election shit, the election shit is bad "the most severe many of the oldest of us can ever remember." People are dealing with "the many adversities of mortality: poverty, racism, sickness, job loss, wayward children, bad/no marriages, and the effects of sin" but "be of good cheer." (broken record much?)

Poor JS had lots of adversities! But he still managed to "maintain his native cheery temperament and the love and loyalty of his people." The pioneers had it hard, too, but they still "were of hope and good cheer."

(If I heard this right) The orignal missionaries were sent out for up to 7 years.

The presidency loves you and cares about you and we pray for you (y'all should look up 'ill pray for you' by Jaron Lowenstein, btw. i promise it's hilarious).

"There is boundless power in the doctrine of the restored gospel of JC. Our unshakeable faith in that doctrine guides our steps and gives us joy. It enlightens our minds and gives strength and confidence to our actions. This guidance and enlightenment and power are promised gifts we have recieved from our heavenly father. By understanding and conforming our lives to that doctrine, including the divine gift of repentance, we can be of good cheer as we keep ourselves on the path of eternal destiny, reunion, and exaltation with our loving heavenly parents." (sidenote- I typed that quote really fast with very few mistakes and I'm very proud of myself. I'm sure I've never typed that fast and correctly in my life.)

Russel M Nelson

Shit's been hard and different than normal.

We greive with the women who have experienced loss.

Social media is evil for young women, but "many of you have found ways to encourage others and share our savior's light."

The future gonna be lit, yo.

"If ye are prepared, ye shall not fear."

"Moroni prepared his people in three essential ways:”

“1. He helped them create areas where they would be safe; places of security, he called them.” "Create a home that is a place of security."

“2. He prepared the minds of the people to be faithful unto the lord.” "Each time we have the faith to be obedient to god's laws, even when popular opinions belittle us, or each time we resist entertainment or ideaologies that celebrate covenant breaking, we are exercising our faith, which in turn increases our faith." "Life without god is a life filled with fear. Life with god is a life filled with peace."

“3. He never stopped preparing his people; physically or spiritually." "The adversary never stops attacking, so we can never stop preparing. The more self-reliant we are, temporally, emotionally, and spiritually, the more prepared we are to thwart satan's relentless assualts."

"We have so much to look forward to. The lord placed you here, now, because he knew you had the capacity to negotiate the complexities of the latter part of these latter days. He knew you would grasp the grandeur of his work and be eager to help bring it to pass. I am not saying that the days ahead will be easy, but I promise you that the future will be glorious for those who are prepared, and those who continue to prepare to be instruments in the lord's hands."

"Embrace the future with faith."

#exmo #ex-mormon #apostake #exmormon #mine #ex mormon #exchristian #ex christian #excult #cult stuff #exlds #ex lds #former mormon #ex religious #agnostic #gc october 2020 #gc summary

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bluejay-boy · 5 years ago

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religion and the lgbtqia+ community: christianity edition

Catholic + Orthodox

Axios

An organization for Eastern Orthodox, Byzantine Rite, and Eastern Catholic LGBTQIA+ Christians.

Call To Action

An organization that educates and activates Catholics to act for justice and build inclusive communities.

DignityUSA

An organization working for respect and justice for all people, especially LGBTQIA+ people, in the Catholic Church.

Equally Blessed

An organization of Catholics committed to full equality for LGBTQIA+ people in the church and civil society.

Fortunate Families

A website and networking ministry with Catholic parents of LGBTQIA+ children.

New Ways Ministry

A ministry of advocacy and justice for LGBTQIA+ Catholics, and reconciliation within the larger Christian and civil communities.

Protestant

Affirmation LGBTQIA+ Mormons, Families, & Friends

An organization that supports LGBTQIA+ Mormons and their families, friends, and church leaders.

Affirmation

An organization that challenges the United Methodist Church to be inclusive, and radically speaks out against injustice for LGBTQIA+ people.

Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists

An organization building the Welcoming and Affirming movement within the Baptist traditions.

Believe Out Loud

An online network that empowers Christians to work fo LGBTQIA+ equality.

Brethren Mennonite Council for LGBTQIA+ Interest

An organization cultivating an inclusive church and caring for the Mennonite and Brethren LGBTQIA+ and ally community.

Covenant Network of Presbyterians

A national group of Presbyterian clergy and lay leaders working towards a fully inclusive church.

Emergence International

A community of Christian Scientists, their families, and friends providing spiritual and educational support for LGBTQIA+ people.

The Evangelical Network

An association of LGBTQIA+ Evangelical ministries and individuals.

The Fellowship

A coalition of Christian Churches committed to radical inclusive ministry.

Friends of LGBTQ Concerns

A Quaker faith community within the Religious Society of Friends that deeply honors, affirms, and upholds that of God in all people.

Gay Christian Network

A Christian ministry building bridges and offering support for those caught in the crossfire between queerness and religion.

GLAAD Alliance, Inc.

An organization transforming the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) into a just and inclusive church.

Hope Remains

A website that thoroughly examines the scripture and outlines its mistranslations and validates queer identity.

Integrity USA

An organization working for LGBTQIA+ Episcopalians and their allies, families, and friends.

Many Voices

A Black church movement for gay and transgender justice that embraces the diversity of the human family.

Metropolitan Community Churches

A movement that faithfully proclaims God’s inclusive love for all people and proudly bears witness to the hold integration of spirituality and sexuality.

More Light Presbyterians

An organization working for LGBTQIA+ Presbyterians and their allies, families, and friends.

Pink Menno Campaign

An organization working towards the inclusion and welcome of LGBTQIA+ individuals and their supporters in the Mennonite Church.

Reconciling Pentecostals International

A network of Pentecostal ministers, churches, and ministries working towards an affirming and inclusive church

ReconcilingWorks: Lutherans for Full Participation

An organization advocating for the full inclusion of LGBTQIA+ Lutherans in all aspects of the life of their church and congregations.

Room for All

A community of Christ followers in the Reformed Church in America, committed to welcome and affirm LGBTQIA+ people and their allies.

Seventh-Day Adventist Kinship International

An organization providing a safe spiritual and social community for LGBTQIA+ current and former Seventh-Day Adventists.

Soulforce

An interfaith movement committed to ending spiritual violence perpetuated by religious policies and teachings against LGBTQIA+ people.

UCC LGBTQ Ministries

An organization that provides support and sanctuary to LGBTQIA+ people and their families and friends.

Unity Fellowship of Christ Church

An African-American LGBTQIA+ spiritual organization.

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nerdygaymormon · 1 year ago

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This Tumblr Ask is mostly an excuse to interact with another human. I hope you don’t mind.

Would you say Mormonism has a better history of changing entrenched stances than other religions?

Of the religions which don’t currently perform same sex marriages, which do you think will start in the next 100 years?

Who would you guess is going to be the central orbit in your afterlife: you or your husband?

Over the past 20 years, Salt Lake City Utah has had some of the best numbers regarding changes in racial diversity and home prices in the nation. A generation ago this relationship (then known as “White Flight”) was a major and very sad problem many municipalities faced. Is Mormonism in Florida making lives better for Black people?

These are interesting questions.

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Would you say Mormonism has a better history of changing entrenched stances than other religions?

Mormonism believes in on-going revelation, and its top leader is considered to be a prophet and we also have apostles. In other words, the structure is one which suggests change is an ongoing feature of this church. Compared to where the LDS Church was in 1830 or even 1960, much has changed.

Despite this, it seems to me to be slower than others when it comes to reconsidering "entrenched stances." It didn't allow full participation by Black members until 1978. Every few years it seems to take another small step or two towards equality for women, but the slow pace of change makes it feel like it's falling further behind much of Christendom.

I think the reason for this church being slow to progress forward is that it raises questions about the role of the prophet and apostles. If the past leaders were wrong about race or the inclusion of women, what might the current leaders be wrong about? Undermining the authority & teachings of past leaders calls into question the authority & teachings of the current leaders. Can I disregard what they're saying on LGBTQ+ topics because I believe there'll be further revelation and change, even if the current leaders say that the current teachings won't change, just like the past leaders said there wouldn't be change?

The current workaround is that doctrine doesn't change, but policies do. While I know many consider the LDS Church's teachings on gender and marriage to be doctrine, they have changed many times and therefore I think of them as policies.

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Of the religions which don’t currently perform same sex marriages, which do you think will start in the next 100 years?

One of the ways churches create an identity for themselves is by what they stand for. They also can define themselves by what they are against. Unfortunately, for hundreds of years Christianity has adopted being anti-gay/anti-queer as part of the definition of what it means to be Christian. Changing this identity is difficult.

There are Christian denominations wrestling with accepting same-sex marriages. Changing their stance has roiled their denominations. While many are thrilled, some traditionalists are alarmed & dismayed and whole congregations vote to leave that particular denomination.

I think this study showing the changing acceptance of gay marriage by religions in the United States is fascinating. I think it predicts most religions in the United States will ultimately accept queer people and same-sex marriages.

This chart shows that the Latter-day Saints moved the most in the past 8 years, from 27% to 50%. This is very much related to LGBTQ+ members coming out, especially teenagers and those in their 20's. Also, we have had a wave of adults who came out & left their mixed-orientation marriages. It's been a big, messy process, but now it seems most everyone knows or is related to a Mormon/ex-Mormon who is out as LGBTQ+. Which underlines that when people actually know queer folks and hear our stories, it changes hearts.

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Who would you guess is going to be the central orbit in your afterlife: you or your husband?

Gosh, I don't know how to answer this. I'm not sure what this means to be the "central orbit" of my afterlife.

Considering I'm single and don't have a husband, I will have to say that it won't be my husband. Although, if I'm lucky, maybe one day my marriage status will change

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It's interesting you speak of Salt Lake City as racially diverse. When I visit, I notice the lack of such diversity. I suppose compared to where it was, it is becoming more diverse, but so is the United States.

Utah is the 34th most racially and ethnically diverse state in the nation, putting it in the bottom half of states. Forty percent of the state’s growth since 2010 has come from racial and ethnic minority populations, who are expected to account for one in three Utahns by 2060. In contrast, it is projected by 2040 that the United States is expected to have no race or ethnic demographic which is more than 50% of the population, making us a majority minority nation.

So yes, Salt Lake City and Utah are becoming more diverse, but still lags far behind the United States as a whole.

As for your question whether Mormonism in Florida is making lives better for Black people, I don't think so. I also wouldn't say we're making life worse.

I know we have talked about being more welcoming of Black people and have had some committees in my local area to discuss what changes we can make in our congregations or what contribution we can make to the Black community in the area. I'm not aware of any sustained efforts to make changes or to partner with local organizations.

Our congregations in Florida may look more diverse than the average congregation in Utah, but typically they're not as diverse as the neighborhoods where we are located. We have much room for improvement in making a space where all feel welcome and that this is their spiritual home.

#tumblrstake #queerstake

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hannahmulticulturalusa · 3 years ago

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The Black Menaces TikTok

The social media selection I have chosen is the Black Menaces Tik Tok page. The majority of the videos on this page feature five members of Brigham Young University’s Black Student Union. These members, Sebastian Stewart-Johnson, Rachel Weaver, Nate Byrd, Kylee Shepherd, and Kennethia Dorsey, interview BYU students on popular topics that people tend to disagree on. BYU is a private institution sponsored by the Mormon Church, and is known to be extremely socially conservative. The point of the Tik Tok page is to highlight the experiences of Black and marginalized communities at BYU and predominantly white institutions overall. Stewart-Johnson told the news publisher Insider that the Menaces “have felt a lot of isolation and ostracization for being Black and not fitting in. Our goal behind the TikTok is to highlight those things that we feel on a daily basis, and to show the world the reality of being Black students at BYU." The questions in these brief interviews ask BYU students about race, political movements, identity, BYU policies, and other controversial subject matters.

The group takes a softer and often humorous approach in their efforts to fight prejudice. While questioning interviewees in a manner that might seem quite confrontational at first glance, the Menances never provide judgements or opinions on an answer, regardless of how bigoted it might be interpreted as. The Menances see many of the answers they receive as proof that many have never sincerely thought about the issues they are being asked about. That being said, their most light and conversational tone of their Tik Tok videos helps to bring to light the issues being faced by BIPOC at BYU and other PWIs.

The group’s first video was posted on February 9th, 2022, featuring nine Black Student Union members listening to a BYU religion professor Bradley Wilcox's speech, in which he claimed Black people should be "grateful" for the LDS Church 1978 decision allowing them to be priests. Wilcox's speech from February 6, where he also attributed decades of oppression to "God's timeline," made national headlines and drew attention to racism at BYU. Many of the creators of the page state that they attended BYU after experiences promised of a diverse, inclusive environment after they attended diversity camps prior to enrolling. The environment of these camps, however, failed to translate to the BYU campus. Black students make up just a mere 1% of the 30,000 overall BYU undergraduate population. The name of the group stems from the origins that people in history calling for civil rights have been called “menaces.” The group aims to reclaim this word for something more positive.

Stewart-Johnson of the group told abc4 that “BYU is isolating for Black students, because there are hardly any of us. We are treated like exotic creatures and homogenized with stereotypes students have about Black people. I have to fight every day to prove my own value.” This is comparable to the Multiculturalism course in the way that we talked about the display of minority communities in primary white spaces as being exotic and on display to a white audience, such as the Couple in a Cage display.

Kennethia Dorsey points out something that to me seems particularly staggering; many BYU students have never gone to school with a Black person prior to BYU. While at BYU they are still in an incredibly white institution, with only 1% of students being Black. The ignorance and privilege curated from being white in white spaces and never being forced to sit down with oneself to reflect on issues such as those the Black Menaces feature on their page is especially visible in many BYU students on this page. We are so far away from being the utopian inclusive melting pot of a myth that we’ve narrated for ourselves.

The Black Menaces have received many comments saying that their content makes white people uncomfortable. Kylee Shepard responded by saying that “we have always felt uncomfortable walking on BYU Campus.” I think that it’s very important and necessary for white people to be uncomfortable. To get comfortable being uncomfortable. White people such as myself being comfortable in complacency is going to get us nowhere. The work of the Black Menaces has proven to get white people and the general public who tend to hold traditional conservative views that discriminate to start to reflect more on why they believe what they believe. The Menaces have stated that they think Black people being the ones in front of them with the microphone as they speak oppressive beliefs has forced many to reflect on a deeper level than they would have if it were a white-white interaction.

TikTok videos to view as examples of what the Black Menaces are doing:

https://www.tiktok.com/@blackmenaces/video/7071372897251511594?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1

https://www.tiktok.com/@blackmenaces/video/7075492145905356074?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1

Sources Cited

Dodgson, Lindsay, and Kieran Press-Reynolds. “The Black Menaces Tiktok Group Is Causing a Stir on the Conservative Campus of Brigham Young University.” Insider, Insider, 13 Apr. 2022, https://www.insider.com/tiktok-group-the-black-menaces-causing-a-stir-at-byu-2022-4.

Hampton, Rachelle, and Madison Malone Kircher. “The Black BYU Students Asking the Questions White People Don't Want to Answer.” Slate Magazine, Slate, 23 Apr. 2022, https://slate.com/culture/2022/04/black-menaces-black-byu-tiktok-interview.html.

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Do you think it’s possible to be a Christian and gay? I know from what you’ve said on your blog that you’ve had horrible experiences with the church and that’s fucking awful. Everyone should be able to choose which religion/no religion makes them comfortable. But I’m gay and I’m not terribly religious but mildly and it’s important to me personally so like idk I guess I was just wondering your views on lgbt Christians since you’ve had since bad experiences. Honestly just curious🤷🏻‍♀️I’m nosy

First of all, let me preface this by saying that this is my opinion and my opinion only! My opinion on this has been shaped by my own experience and this is just me talking. I don’t think anyone else has to agree. Also I would kindly ask people to not rb this!

Gay people can be anyone. There are gay conservatives even. Anyone with any possible belief system/set of values could be gay. LGBT people are fully diverse. There are plenty of gay Christians that have reconciled their sexuality with their faith, and that’s none of my business.

My problem is with gay people who continue to support churches and faith based ministries that teach racist/homophobic/sexist/harmful doctrines.

For an example: If you join the Mormon church, you cannot be out as a gay person and continue to be a Mormon. There are lots of gay Mormons who want gay people to be accepted in the Mormon church. However, the Mormon church has a rich history of racism/abuse/sexism/literally everything else nasty you can imagine.

They exploit their members. They’re a high control group. They qualify as a cult on the BITE model. There is a literal epidemic of gay Mormon suicides. People of color (specifically black people) face horrific discrimination within the church. Here’s a wikipedia article on the Mormon church’s long history of horrific racism. Women basically have no rights within the church. Read this sweet little article about what a monster Joseph Bishop is. Mormon parents abuse their children.

The problem isn’t just that gay people aren’t allowed in the church. The problem is just the church. If gay people were allowed in the church they would still be giving money to monsters to fuel more monsterous actions.

I think that if gay people continue to put faith in Christianity, they should be putting in the work to reform it. They shouldn’t support racist mission works or racist beliefs. They should stand up for women. They should stand against bad doctrine. They should call people out. They should confront abusers and remove a good 99% of clergy. They should care about mental health. They should be working to dismantle the entire system that is currently in place instead of just begging for people not to tell them that they’re going to hell and sitting and supporting terrible people doing terrible things. They should be supporting Jewish people and people from other faiths that actually face discrimination. They should respect people who want nothing to do with the church. They should be accountable and open to criticism.

But (again this is just my opinion) as someone who has been to more churches and church related activities than most people ever will in their lifetime, I don’t think core Christianity is worth salvaging. Not to say that spirituality isn’t important or something of worth, or that some people have not had their lives greatly improved by it.

Christianity is all about controlling yourself. It’s about seeing your “inner man’’ as worthless, evil, and helpless. Sin doctrine is so, so harmful. The culture around Christianity is so toxic. There are so many abusers born from it, hidden by it, and encouraged by it. There have been so many people broken by it without them even knowing it. I’ve seen enough things that I could never in good conscious endorse or support any form of Christianity or any Christian organization.

I personally think trying to reform Christianity to be inclusive is fruitless. Nothing will ever erase the evils that the Catholic church has committed/allowed to happen. The Pope will never care about gay/trans people. He lives in luxury while poor people starve. No amount of female pastors will ever change the long history of violence and hatred towards women. People getting to sit comfortably in their California megachurch doesn’t mean that somewhere there aren’t kids in conversion therapy. The church has always had blood on its hands and always will. No amount of ‘’we’re sorry about telling you to go to hell God is gucci with h*mos actually’’ signs at pride will change that. I personally think that there isn’t much good that can come from Christian doctrine unless you twist until it looks nothing like Christianity. You can’t be a healthy person if you follow the core doctrines of Christianity fully and without question.

This is not to say that everyone who calls themself a Christian is an evil person. A lot of them are good people who are trapped. I used to be one of those people.

What I’m trying to say, is that I just don’t understand why someone would continue to support most things having to do with Christianity while being LGBT.

I still respect that there are people who found comfort in God through discrimination. I know that people still find happiness in God while being gay. A lot of people actually care about changing things and stay within the church to do good, and I admire that even if I don’t agree with it. I just can’t understand the people who continue to associate with a lot of harmful doctrine, people, and beliefs despite knowing the pain of feeling rejected themselves.

Thank you for asking me this!!! I hope I haven’t said something out of turn. If so, I apologize! I’ve only lived one life and my views are very much colored by trauma. I think it’s lovely that your faith is important to you! Also I want to make it clear that people from legitimately oppressed religions deserve love and support and my problem is not with spirituality. I only have issue with spiritual abuse.

I wish you much love and joy in both your faith and sexuality

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