#MRAs suck

[burningtheroots]

Honestly, MRAs and liberal feminists (a.k.a. MRAs 2.0) complaining about "men are oppressed, too!" are a joke.

If these men actually wanted something to change, they‘d actively fight and advocate for the liberation of women because — believe it or not — every single inconvenience men face under patriarchy is a side effect of systemic female oppression.

[sevikellsss]

if you think men are oppressed the same way women are, or if you think they are oppressed for their sex/gender periodt, unfollow me.

yes men have struggles due to their sex/gender, but it is NOT oppression under ANY circumstance.

[torahtot]

you can always tell when someone doesn't have maga men in their life and god it makes me angry.. "if you're nice and compassionate you can be the one woman that makes them realize women aren't mean!" my mom bent over backwards for my dad for 25 fucking years he has plenty of other women kissing his ass and it never changed anything. do you really think that before being radicalized they never knew a single kind woman? they were never friends with a nice girl? alt-right men's problem with women isn't just that they've experienced too many mean women and they need to be shown that women can be nice, it's that they think women are inferior and don't deserve rights and don't understand anything so you can do what you want with them. and it takes a lot more than being nice to show someone that you aren't inferior. this isn't a case of being nice even when it's hard for the sake of deradicalization, it's about spending every fucking interaction with someone trying to get them to see you as a human being with value and a functioning intellect while they just laugh and show you that's never going to happen.

i cannot stress this enough: random women are not just going out and Being Mean to men. ur average guy interacts with plenty of women throughout his life- close women amongst their friends and family, casual interactions etc. most people don't start out being shunned by women, they start out being treated as NORMAL. & when they show their disrespect in normal society, it isn't tolerated, but when they go to alt-right spaces (which they're pushed towards online) they're told they're allowed to be as horrible as they want with no consequences because they're entitled to everything. it isn't "women aren't welcoming and the alt-right is so friendly so i'll become alt-right," it's "women don't let me disrespect them and the alt-right tells me fuck them, do whatever you want, you're entitled to it all" and why would you choose the group where you have to be a normal accountable person when there's a group that will reward you for being a shithead who gives no fucks?

the alt-right can afford to be more friendly and welcoming because they can allow bigotry. this can't work the same way for progressive spaces because we can be as kind & welcoming as possible but at the end of the day we have lines where we have to say "this behavior/speech isn't allowed in this space," and for certain people, that just can't win against a space where you can be as nasty as you want. these posts always end with a disclaimer saying "of course being kind doesnt mean you need to tolerate their bigotries" but what they don't realize and what drives me crazy is that women not tolerating bigotry IS the "women are mean" that radicalized them in the first place. they perceive you pushing back on any bigotry or bullshit as you being a meanie and treating them like they're ontologically evil. the 'kindness' they need to be deradicalized is you letting them walk all over you.

idk what the answer is to deradicalizing them and im sure relationships are part of it but you can be as kind as you want and all it will do is destroy you ime. i cant stand to see people (who have never even successfully deradicalized any man by being nice btw they always speak in hypotheticals and not from experience) double down on telling women to do things that will see no results and only hurt them, especially when any woman who has tried can tell you exactly how it went

[velvetvexations]

I might be off base here, but I think that part of the reason why some transfems* sometimes react so defensively when transmascs* replying to their posts about trans experiences is that a lot of them are so intensely dysphoric that the thought of their experiences being ones that could be shared by men* feels in and of itself like an act of misgendering

*broad labels used w/ the understanding that there's nuance to their applicability

previous anon here w/ added context, although not especially well written so apologies if it doesn't make sense part of the reason I think that, apart from just outside observation, is that when I was a young teenager, very very early in my transition and not especially stable, I fell into a very similar pattern of thinking when it came to thinking about my own experiences of misogyny. I never fell down any shitty right wing rabbit holes with it, but there was a solid half decade there where I just couldn't bear the thought that I was being impacted by misogyny in the same way that the girls I knew were, because I felt like to acknowledge that would be to concede that I was actually just a girl after all.

That kinna gender defensiveness plays a large part in the behavior of trans radical feminists*, but everything else is small potatoes to the fact that mostly they're just aggressive bullies who get off on flexing their victimization and holding up their category as the only pure people on Earth.

*"stop lying and saying that transphobes think of trans women as men, they know we're women, you just want to misgender us by proxy!"

[lesbianwyllravengard]

Why are joking about being a misogynist. Why are you joking about hating women. Why are you joking about being a "men's rights activist". Why are you using the phrase "girl [x]". Why are you perpetuating misogyny in a morbidly palatable manner on purpose. I'm. Am I in another world rn. What the fuck is going on.

[wild-at-mind]

Not to talk about MRA-lite spaces again but I'm going to need everyone to understand that in these spaces, the subtext of 'men don't get to talk about their problems' is ALWAYS 'and it is women's fault!'

[flutterbruttershy]

why are we entertaining the idea of misandry being a real issue for the love of dog i feel like im losing my mind

[cuntylittlesalmon]

people being stupid on my posts. smh.

[snekdood]

Yknow what makes me reaentful? How ive been sexually abused so much growing up, no one did shit besides shove me off to a therapist, ive been promised by feminist spaces that ill have a place to heal within them, and as soon as my abusive ex tries to smear me and project their behavior on to me by accusing me of doing that shit too, all the sudden everyone acts suspicious, and i still dont get any of that promised healing. Its hard not to feel like my ex did this intentionally to prevent me from having a space to heal. And its my issue with the "believe victims" narrative because it seems to me like people dont actually want to believe victims but to believe the victims they *like* and *agree more with politically*. If people can just say whatever about someone and you feel obligated to believe them because "believe victims", its very clearly going to be exploited by abusive people, and while i dont think we should stop per se, we need to have some sort of actual system to vet who is and isnt telling the truth, like a pseudo-courtroom. At the very least let everyone and their side of the story actually be heard. Bc idk how you guys plan to believe two victims at once who are accusing eachother other than throwing your hands up and picking one or deciding that we're both bad, which doesnt seem very fair to me since people seem to looove demonizing me for no discernable reason.

[burningtheroots]

Liberal feminists who accuse radical feminists of being or supporting NAZIs are not only wrong, but also hypocritical.

NAZIs are NOT part of radical feminism. And self-proclaimed "radfems" who support them (which I haven't come across but just in case) don't belong with us.

Why do libfems get to say "this person invades our space BUT they aren't actually part of our movement" yet we don't?

If a "radfem" supports NAZIs and is antisemitic, they are not part of our community.

These people invade our movement and spaces to use it for their own ideology. Libfems always say "if you are xy or do xy, you are NOT a feminist" , and the same applies here.

These people are abusing our cause, they are NOT part of our movement.

And let‘s not forget that liberal feminists have

misogynistic fascists

MRAs

porn addicts and rapists ("sex-buyers")

TRAs who use misogyny and literal rape threats to silence disagreeable women

TRAs who support autogynopilic men

people who sympathize with sexist men

within their rows.

The men who align with liberal feminism only do so because there was a space created for them which caters to them despite them being our oppressors.

Women are expected to listen to and coddle their oppressors like no other marginalized folk is expected to by libfems (e.g. black people, poor people, trans identified people).

And these men nowadays don‘t even have to invade their spaces … they‘re deliberately INVITED because "men have it bad under patriarchy, too!" (which is simply NOT TRUE, men‘s issues are NOT sex-based and men‘s issues affect women just as much or more DUE TO misogyny and patriarchy).

Example: The claim that there are more homeless men than women and hence poverty affects men worse. Truth is that there are more women in poverty, but they‘re not "homeless", they‘re forced into sex work/prostitution and get trafficked. Such a privilege! /s

Or: Women are "allowed" to cry but men aren‘t allowed to express their emotions! Also false. Yes, the "men don‘t cry" bullshit is a thing, but it‘s the crown men put on their own heads. Are women REALLY allowed to cry without consequences? No. us. Our softness and emotionality and tenderness have been proof of our inhumanity and our place two steps behind men! Women are "allowed" to cry because we‘re EXPECTED and DEMANDED to be "weak". And men show their emotions through anger and taking it out on others, especially women, all the time.

Women‘s pain is literally romanticized and fetishized, turned into JOKES (and yes, there are more than enough libfems who also think "as long as it‘s a joke, it‘s fine").

Do I need to go on? Anyone who took the time and effort to actually learn about radical feminism (there are already countless reports, statistics and studies spread on Tumblr/Radblr) would understand that we‘re not evil. And above all, we aren’t hypocrites.

[abearinthewoods]

Oh. =(

[soup-mother]

an under recognised aspect of US Hollywood cultural export is just how fucking frequently "divorced dad (who sucks) will stop at nothing to get his kids back no matter how much he traumatises the kids in the process" shows up as a plot in movies. MRA divorced nation for real

[seams-unusualbc]

but they synched their periods

BREAKFAST

[elyradpill]

a TIM raped a lesbian tiktoker who was his best friend and who's done a lot for the TRA community because she dared say she didn't like dick

That's what all trans "women" are like, MRA's who want to correctively rape lesbians into sucking their porn sticks

Don't let anyone ever convince you otherwise

Don't let them get near you

Don't let them near our woman spaces

[keebiecoo]

When you see a man actually talking about the actual basic human rights of discriminated against men, & your responce is to shut them down by likening them to an MRA incel, you're not being cool & woke, you're saying the same shit as radfems & run of the mill sexists.

MRA does not literally mean 'activists for men's rights', MRA was/is a movement of creepy reddit incels who wanted state assigned girlfriends & said that was 'men's rights', or saying that men deserve more rights than women, that is why they suck, not because they're talking about men's human rights.

MOC & Transmascs & Immigrant men & male abuse victims & disabled men etc. talking about their rights or lack thereof & how being a man factors into it for them are not your enemy & are not MRAs, they're literal activists for men's literal actual human rights.

[spaghettioverdose]

Sure maybe you wanna say that the "suck my dick and stop being a baeddel" copypasta anons were originally sent by a couple of trolls or whatever but the amount of people I see defending them is very clear fucking proof that the sentiment exists. There is a lot of preaching about trans unity right now, but as is often the case, if someone demands unity while refusing to do even the bare minimum for you (in this case disavowing the horrifyingly misogynistic posts and calling out some of the people who maintain such positions instead of defending them) and only call for unity when you speak out against their abuse, then they're not looking for unity. They want you to shut the fuck up. You never see these same people calling for unity when there's a harassment campaign against trans women. You don't see them defending trans women when our words are misinterpreted in as bad of a way as possible.

And before someone accuses me of being a baeddel terf or whatever: I am not saying we need some kind of transfem separatist movement or that trans unity is impossible or undesirable. I am not saying that transmascs are doomed to be violent misogynists. I do have some very nice transmasc mutuals (all of which uncoincidentally are communists lol) who I do appreciate and feel actual solidarity with because they aren't transmisogynists and because I can expect them to have the backs of the transfem community whe the newest transmisogynistic harassment campaign starts on this dogshit website.

A growing problem on here is the continuous dilution and rejection of feminism and even some of the most basic feminist positions in favour of positions that would be perfectly at home in a 2016 antifeminist mra youtuber's videos if it wasn't for the pseudo-progressive tone of the message. It is what has lead to "you should shut up about transmisogyny and suck my dick", a position championed by "genderpunks" and transandrophobia truthers. The drift from understanding the basic premise that we live in a patriarchal and misogynist society to "well, men have it bad too, so who's to say what the real gender dynamics are like" and even "men have it bad too, specifically because they are men" has erased a lot of progress on this website and allowed this kind of thing to happen.

The way to close the gap and achieve trans unity is not to ask for silence from trans women speaking against the abuse done to us or to pretend that gender dynamics do not exist politically, but to take steps towards solidarity with us and speak out against transmisogynists and to push back against antifeminist rhetoric.

This post, obviously is aimed at people who are genuinely interested in trans unity, not people who scold others about trans unity whenever trans women have a problem with the way we are treated.