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A Timeline of Tom Sandoval and Raquel Leviss' Cheating Scandal Ahead of 'Vanderpump Rules' Season Finale

6:30 AM PDT, May 17, 2023

Anthony Dominic‍

In early March, Vanderpump Rules stars Tom Sandoval and Ariana Madix announced the end of their relationship after being together since 2013 when she first joined the show. It wasn't long before news broke that Sandoval had cheated on Madix with their co-star, Raquel Leviss.

News of their split quickly sent shockwaves through the pop culture-obsessed world, and now fans are anxiously awaiting the season finale of Vanderpump Rules, where the cheating scandal -- now called Scandoval -- will be full-on addressed.

ET takes a closer look at how we got here.

Feb. 10, 2014 - Tom Scandoval and Ariana Madix Confirm Their Romance

Nearly 10 years ago, Sandoval and Madix confirmed their relationship during the season 2 reunion episode of Vanderpump Rules. The couple then went Instagram official on their accounts. (Madix has since deleted her Instagram.)

The couple got together after Sandoval learned his then-best friend, Jax Taylor, was secretly hooking up with his then-girlfriend, Kristen Doute.

It is believed Sandoval and Madix hooked up at least once while Sandoval was dating Kristen.

Jan. 28, 2019 -- Ariana Madix Hooks Up With Lala Kent

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The couple hit choppy waters when Sandoval outed Madix for hooking up with co-star Lala Kent. During a Vanderpump Rules episode, fans watched as Sandoval told a group of his male friends about the encounter and ran the story by Kent. Word got back to Madix who was very upset.

According to People, Madix shared in a confessional interview, "I'm not embarrassed or ashamed of what happened between Lala and I, but I do feel like Tom betrayed my trust by telling this story to his guy friends. My sexuality is not something that is meant to sound cool to a bunch of dudes."

May 16, 2021 -- Raquel Leviss Gets Engaged to James Kennedy

Wedding bells were ringing on the horizon. Vanderpump Rules stars James Kennedy and Raquel Leviss become engaged.

The pair took to Instagram to share the exciting news, alongside some stunning snapshots of the proposal, and Leviss' shiny new sparkler as well.

Leviss shared a group of photos from the big proposal event, which took place at the same location as where the Coachella Music Festival is held.

"James proposed at the iconic Empire Polo Fields of “RACHELLA” Friday night... and I said YES! I’m over the Coachella moon ✨🌵🌙 #RACHELLA," Leviss captioned the slideshow post.

Oct. 26, 2021 -- How Ariana Madix Feels About Marriage

Madix opened up more about her feelings on marriage. “I think the big thing for me is that I'm not really into the whole fanfare of it,” she said on Watch What Happens Live With Andy Cohen. “It's really more about the two people. So if it was just about us, you know, I honestly think I would be more open to it. I just don't want it to be like a big thing about having a giant wedding and a bachelorette party and all that bullsh*t.”

Nov. 16, 2021 -- Ariana Madix Freezes Her Eggs

During an episode of Vanderpump Rules, Madix revealed she froze her eggs. "This does not mean that I'm jumping on the baby train," she said. "It's about having agency over my own body and my own future. It's also kind of a nice fun 'f**k you' to anybody who questions my values or my choices."

Dec. 5, 2021 -- Raquel Leviss and James Kennedy Break Up

Kennedy and Leviss go their separate ways. The Vanderpump Rules stars took to Instagram to share that they were calling off their engagement. The surprising split came just six months after Kennedy popped the question.

"After these 5 wonderful years we had together, we decided we have two different goals and made the decision to call off the engagement," Kennedy wrote alongside of a photo of him and Leviss from what appears to be the Bravo reality TV show's set. "We love each other very much, but we aren’t in love anymore. We want nothing but the best for each other so please keep any thoughts positive. Sending Love."

Leviss shared the same photo and statement on her page, informing her followers of their split.

June 2022 -- Tom Sandoval and Raquel Leviss' Affair Begins

Multiple sources come forward to numerous outlets claiming that the affair between Sandoval and Leviss has been going on for at least several months, starting around June 2022.

"This has been going on for upwards of 6 months," a source claimed to People. "All the while, Tom was sleeping next to Ariana in bed."

The source told the outlet that Madix was "blindsided" by the cheating, and that "devastated doesn't even scratch the surface of how she feels."

A source for Page Six described as "an insider" told the outlet that Leviss "has slept over at Tom and Ariana’s house when Ariana’s been out of town," and that the affair began "last summer."

Jan. 9, 2023 -- Ariana Madix Denies Open Relationship With Tom Sandoval

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In a since-deleted tweet, Madix denied that she and Sandoval were in an open relationship after the season 10 trailer of Vanderpump Rules showed the couple confronted with the rumor, to which Madix tweeted, "We don't have an open relationship. I'm really not that cool. Thought that was obvious."

March 3, 2023 -- Tom Sandoval and Ariana Madix Break Up

Sandoval and Madix call it quits.

A source close to production also confirmed to ET that cameras were back up and rolling as the drama played out, with plans to include the fallout of the breakup in season 10, which is currently airing on Bravo.

A source told ET, "Some cast members had suspicions that something went down with Sandoval and Raquel while filming, and are considering the split [as] confirmation."

Another source told ET, "Tom and Raquel’s incident has created a major split in the group with almost everyone against Tom and Raquel. The group feels like Tom has been going through some sort of midlife crisis, with the creation of his band and acting out at times. The girls are rallying around Ariana, but know in time she’ll be OK."

March 5, 2023 -- Tom Sandoval Breaks Silence About Breakup

Sandoval finally publicly addressed the news of their split and the cheating allegations in a lengthy Instagram post.

"Hey, I fully understand and deserve ur anger and disappointment towards me, but please leave Schwartz my friends and family out of this situation," he wrote, seemingly confirming the cheating allegations. "Schwartz specifically only found out about this very recently, and most definitely did not condone my actions. This was a very personal thing."

The 39-year-old reality star also urged fans to leave his bar, Schwartz and Sandy's, out of it, and stressed that his business partners and employees have done "nothing wrong."

March 6, 2023 -- 'Vanderpump Rules' Season 10 Reunion Confirmed

The Vanderpump Rules reunion is set to film in two weeks and Andy Cohen can’t wait. The Bravo boss confirmed on his SiriusXM Andy Cohen Live radio show that the reunion taping was quickly approaching.

"This is a reunion that's going to be… I'm girding my loins," he said.

March 6, 2023 -- James Kennedy Teases Scandoval on 'Vanderpump Rules'

James Kennedy returned to the set of Vanderpump Rules and gave a sneak peek of what fans can expect following Sandoval and Leviss’ affair.

The 31-year-old DJ posted a video to his Instagram Story on Monday, March 6, of himself, dressed in a sports coat, on the set of the hit Bravo show, ready to film an interview with the episode’s clapboard showing the scene labeled "#Scandoval." Bravo also shared a photo from the set.

A source tells ET, “James is loving every second of this and relishing in it. He was always known as the bad guy in their relationship, and he feels vindicated now. He was confused as to why Raquel stayed on the show after they broke up since she was a character through him. James always thought it was suspicious and didn’t know what her motive was. He felt like he was being used as a jumping-off point for her to get famous.”

“James knows he made mistakes in their relationship and that he wasn’t always the best boyfriend or fiancé, and he’s not denying that, but he is glad the world can see that she is not an innocent victim,” the source adds. “All the girls were rooting for Raquel to have her single girl era after her breakup with James and rallying around her and they are so disgusted and disappointed by her and Tom.”

March 7, 2023 -- Ariana Madix and Tom Sandoval are Never Getting Back Together

A source tells ET, "Tom and Ariana are telling friends they are totally done and aren’t getting back together."

"Ariana has no plans to get back with Tom after what he did to her and Tom is ready to move on," the source adds. "Ariana is devastated and feels betrayed, something she won’t be able to get over for a long time."

March 7, 2023 -- Raquel Leviss Sends Letters to Co-Stars

Raquel Leviss sent out legal letters to the Vanderpump Rules cast. After People reported that Ariana Madix learned of Tom Sandoval's alleged affair with Leviss by discovering a NSFW video of her on his phone, a source tells ET that Leviss is sending out legal letters to her co-stars in regard to the video.

"Raquel did send legal letters to several members of her cast," the source says. "There were a couple of variations of the letter depending on their involvement."

"Raquel did send a letter off to Tom Sandoval as well, letting him know not to show the video or distribute it, as well as to delete it," the source adds. "Raquel is hoping this letter will stop anyone from sharing or posting the video."

March 7, 2023 -- Tom Sandoval Faces Off With 'Vanderpump Rules' Producers

Sandoval drew a line in the sand with the producers of Vanderpump Rules, ET has learned.

The aspiring musician filmed a scene with Leviss following the explosive allegations that the two co-stars were having an affair for months, behind Madix's back.

A source tells ET, "Tom wasn't happy with how the scene went with Raquel and felt like it was going to paint him in a negative light. He told producers he'd like to re-film the scene, but producers weren't having it."

The source adds, "Tom told production that he would no longer shoot Vanderpump Rules if they don't listen to him."

In a since-deleted Tweet, former Vanderpump Rules star Jax Taylor says Sandoval is refusing to film.

March 7, 2023 -- Lala Kent Slams Cheating Scandal

Lala Kent continues to go scorched-earth on Sandoval and Leviss after their cheating scandal was exposed, calling him "weak" and two individuals she "never liked."

During an Amazon Live appearance to hawk her merchandise, the 32-year-old Vanderpump Rules star chimed in on whether she saw Sandoval's scandal coming and how she thinks Madix is holding up in wake of the cheating scandal.

"You'll see, you'll see," said Kent when a fan asked if she saw this scandal coming before, adding that Sandoval's "mask fell."

Kent also was asked if anyone is Team Sandoval in the wake of the scandal.

"No," Kent answered. "Maybe [Sandoval's business partner and co-star Tom] Swartz. I tried to tell y’all. He’s weak. I said it first. Did I not? I said it first."

March 7, 2023 -- Raquel Leviss Files Restraining Order Against Scheana Shay

Leviss filed a restraining order against her Vanderpump Rules co-star, Scheana Shay. ET confirmed that Leviss filed to seek court-ordered protection from Shay following an alleged altercation between the two women.

TMZ was first to report the filing, which comes amid the fallout from Leviss' alleged affair with Sandoval.

Leviss and Shay previously made an appearance on Watch What Happens Live where she addressed her controversial supposed kiss with Schwartz, telling host Andy Cohen, "I'm just trying to live my life and I'm sorry if that offends people but it's not going to stop me from doing what I'm going to do."

A source told People that, after the taping, Leviss admitted to her ongoing affair with Sandoval while speaking with Shay, who "was furious" about the confession and reportedly got physical with Leviss over it.

March 8, 2023 -- Tom Sandoval Addresses Cheating Scandal

Sandoval finally addressed Madix amid the cheating scandal that has rocked the Vanderpump Rules cast.

Sandoval shared a personal message on his Instagram, which he started by apologizing to "everyone I've hurt."

He then apologized to Madix, writing, "Most of all, I want to apologize to Ariana. I made mistakes, I was selfish, and made reckless decisions that hurt somebody I love. No one deserves to feel that pain so traumatically and publicly."

The restaurant owner and musician added that he feels "really horrible" for the impact of his actions on Madix and "everyone around us."

March 8, 2023 -- Raquel Leviss Breaks Silence

Raquel Leviss is coming clean. Amid allegations that she had a months-long affair with Tom Sandoval during his relationship with Ariana Madix, Leviss spoke out about the scandal in an exclusive statement to ET.

Read her statement in full:

"I want to apologize for my actions and my choices foremost to Ariana, and to my friends and the fans so invested in our relationships. There is no excuse, I am not a victim and I must own my actions and I deeply regret hurting Ariana.

I am reflecting on my choices, speaking to a counselor and I am learning things about myself such as my patterns of codependency and addiction to being and feeling loved. I have sought emotional validation through intimate connections that are not healthy without regard for my own well-being, sometimes negatively affecting others and often prioritizing the intimate connection over my friendships. I am taking steps to understand my behavior and make healthier choices.

Although I chose to be on a reality show accepting the good and bad that comes with it, beyond my own actions I have been physically assaulted, lost friendships, received death threats and hate emails in addition to having had my privacy violated.

I have begun counseling to end my unhealthy behavioral cycle, learn to set stronger emotional boundaries and learn to protect my mental health. I don't expect sympathy, understanding or forgiveness. Right now I must focus on my own health and well-being and as I strive to be a better person moving forward, I will prioritize my mental health and learn from my mistakes." - Raquel Leviss

March 8, 2023 -- Raquel Leviss Seen With Black Eye

ET has obtained photos of Raquel Leviss with a black eye and a cut on her eyebrow, injuries she claims she suffered at the hands of her Vanderpump Rules co-star, Scheana Shay, in the wake of her involvement in the Tom Sandoval cheating scandal.

The photos were submitted as part of Leviss' request for a temporary restraining order against Shay. According to the court documents, obtained by ET, Leviss claims the alleged altercation occurred on March 2 at around 1:30 a.m. but that nobody else was there to witness it.

In her request for the restraining order, Leviss claims she was "pushed against a brick wall causing injury to the back of head and punched me in the face causing injury to my left eye." She added, "currently, mutual friends-coworkers are telling me she doesn’t regret the physical attack on me and would do it again if she found that further emotional distress was caused to our mutual friend."

March 8, 2023 -- Lisa Vanderpump Addresses Scandoval

Lisa Vanderpump is speaking out about the highly publicized affair between Vanderpump Rules co-stars Tom Sandoval and Raquel Leviss. The reality star was a guest on an episode of Watch What Happens Live With Andy Cohen, where she addressed the scandal.

When asked for her initial reaction, Vanderpump said, "Gobsmacked."

She continued, "Flabbergasted. I mean, literally, no words. I didn't see it coming. Nobody saw it coming."

March 8, 2023 -- Raquel Leviss Gives Relationship Update

Leviss addressed the current status of her controversial relationship with Sandoval.

Following her exclusive statement to ET apologizing to Madix and sharing that she is in counseling for her "unhealthy behavioral cycle," Leviss released a second statement, addressing the status of her relationship with Sandoval.

"Besides the indefensible circumstances surrounding our relationship, my feelings for Tom have always been sincere and born out of a loving friendship," she wrote on Instagram. "I care for Tom and I don't want to label anything or predict what lies ahead... Right now I need to heal."

March 9, 2023 -- Oliver Saunders' Involvement With Raquel Leviss

Garcelle Beauvais has a sixth degree of separation when it comes to Scandoval! The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills star's son, Oliver Saunders, found himself locking lips with Leviss during an episode of Vanderpump Rules.

Saunders, who is an employee at Vanderpump à Paris in Las Vegas, and Leviss' make-out was filmed last year and ended the recent episode of the Bravo series. According to Saunders' estranged wife, Samantha Saunders, they were still a couple when the kiss took place.

"We were together," she told ET. "I blame him. He was the married man. He chose to lie and cheat. Of course, I’m not happy with Raquel, but no, it’s his fault all this happened! It’s very traumatic for me. We had an amazing marriage and were best friends. He was a great stepdad and dad. Everything changed when he was so desperate for the camera and fame. He truly will do anything. It’s scary and sad."

ET has been told Oliver Saunders officially filed for divorce in January.

March 9, 2023 -- Scheana Shay Pushes Back on Restraining Order Claims

Scheana Shay is pushing back at claims made by Leviss in her recent filing for a restraining order.

Leviss' request for a temporary restraining order against Shay, filed on March 7, included photos of Leviss with a black eye and a cut on her eyebrow -- injuries she claims she suffered at Shay's hands.

Attorney Neama Rahmani, who is representing Shay, released a statement to ET, denying Leviss' accusations, both in regards to the photos she submitted and the claims she made in the documents regarding Shay and Leviss' alleged interaction.

"This case is a fabrication by a known liar and a cheat who has betrayed everyone close to her. Scheana never punched Rachel, period," Rahmani stated. "The supposed dark markings around her left eye have been there for months."

Rahmani's statement added, "Neither Scheana nor other cast members want anything to do with Rachel going forward. The judge has only heard a one-sided account of what happened, and we look forward to presenting the full and true story at the March 29 hearing."

March 15, 2023 -- Raquel Leviss Kiss Another Unavailable Man on 'Vanderpump Rules'

Vanderpump Rules is back, with the fallout from Leviss' kiss with Saunders taking center stage. On the episode, Leviss has a panic attack after Kent, Maloney and Kristina Kelly call her out for her behavior during their girls' trip to Las Vegas.

After confirming that she did in fact kiss Saunders, Leviss seems shocked that she's being judged for something she thought Kent gave her the OK to do.

March 16, 2023 -- Ariana Madix Speaks Out

Madix is speaking out following her split from Sandoval amid allegations that he had a months-long affair with Leviss.

Madix, who deactivated her Instagram after the allegations broke, returned to the platform to share her side of the story and thank the friends and Vanderpump Rules castmates who have been by her side and supportive in the aftermath.

Posting a photo of herself in a hot pink-and-green dress from a recent trip to Mexico for her friend's wedding, Madix started off the message writing, "Hi. Where to begin?"

Noting that she wanted to share her "most sincere gratitude" for the "outpouring of love and support" she's received since the news broke, Madix added, "When I have felt like I couldn’t even stand, you all have given me the strength to continue and seen me through my darkest hours."

The reality star continued, "To say I have been devastated and broken is an understatement. However, I know that I am not in this alone. So many of my closest friends are also grieving this loss right now and reeling from this betrayal on so many levels."

Madix concluded her message, writing, "What doesn't kill me better run."

March 16, 2023 -- Katie Maloney Addresses What Tom Schwartz Knew

Vanderpump Rules star Katie Maloney thinks the wool was pulled over her ex-husband, Tom Schwartz’s, eyes, by Sandoval and Leviss.

Maloney was on Bravo’s Watch What Happens Live when host Andy Cohen asks her, “Do you think Schwartz was a pawn in all of this?”

“I do. Yeah, part of me believes he was duped, by both of them,” responds Maloney.

March 16, 2023 -- Kristen Doute Shares Text Messages From Tom Sandoval

Doute is giving Vanderpump Rules fans an inside look at the post-Scandoval aftermath. While appearing as a guest on Nick Viall's Viall Files podcast, Doute shared some of Sandoval's text messages to Madix after news of his months-long affair with Leviss. was revealed.

"I believe it was filmed -- he was just gaslighting her. The was no genuine apology. He was saying how she never supports him, she doesn't validate him," Doute said of Sandoval's apology to Madix, which she believes was filmed after Madix found out about the affair.

She added, "He was blaming her."

March 17, 2023 -- Ariana Madix Gears Up for Reunion

Madix has remained relatively quiet since the Vanderpump Rules scandal broke, but that’s about to change, ET has learned.

A source tells ET, "Ariana is getting ready for the Vanderpump Rules reunion. She's preparing herself and getting in the correct mindset for it. She is planning on coming in calm, cool, and collected, but also say her piece."

"She wants to send a huge message and make a big statement. Ariana has been staying quiet for the most part throughout all of this, but that's all going to change once the reunion starts filming. It’s going to be wild," the source adds.

Madix was spotted debuting a new look, after spending several hours at a hair salon. The reality star was all smiles after dying her hair blonde and cutting off several inches. The 37-year-old then went to Universal Studios with a friend to watch a movie.

Madix was photographed dancing and enjoying herself in Oaxaca, Mexico, attending a friend's wedding that was planned long before news broke earlier this month that Sandoval cheated on her with Leviss, ET has learned.

March 21, 2023 -- Ariana Madix Is Out and About

Madix is stepping out. Over the weekend, the Vanderpump Rules star made her first public appearance since Scandoval began.

An eyewitness tells ET that Madix appeared at the Upright Citizens Brigade Theatre in Los Angeles for Make That Sandwich, a show where host Lindsay Ames gets friends to take turns listing ingredients to make a delicious sandwich, which she then makes live for them on stage.

At the event, Madix greeted an energized and eager audience, playing the sandwich-making gameshow alongside Andrea Jin, Michael Glazer, TikTok's Salt Hank, Fibula, and Ames' co-host, Brianna Sedor. This isn't Madix's first time on the show. She has played numerous times, and has supported the show for years as a pivotal player, which makes sense as her sandwich shop, Something About Her, is set to open soon.

March 22, 2023 -- Raquel Leviss Is Confirmed for Reunion

Leviss will come face-to-face with her Vanderpump Rules co-stars, ET has learned.

A source tells ET, “Raquel will be at the Vanderpump Rules reunion, in person. Raquel wants to be there to show her face and apologize to Ariana [Madix] in person.”

Sandoval and Madix called it quits on March 10, after cheating allegations between Sandoval and Leviss came to light.

March 22, 2023 -- Ariana Madix Takes Subtle Swipe at Raquel Leviss

Madix is not in the mood to answer questions about one Leviss -- especially while on a coffee run.

The 37-year-old was out in Los Angeles when a videographer asked her if Leviss has apologized for her and Sandoval's tryst and the subsequent fallout that's impacted just about everyone within the Vanderpump Rules orbit.

"I don't know who you're talking about," Madix shot back in video obtained by Page Six.

March 22, 2023 -- Raquel Leviss Returns to L.A. to Shoot Reunion

After spending time in Tucson, Arizona, with her family, Raquel Leviss is back in Los Angeles to film the Vanderpump Rules reunion, ET has learned.

Levis arrived at LAX after news broke that the reality star would come face-to-face with her Vanderpump Rules co-stars.

A source tells ET, "Raquel will be at the Vanderpump Rules reunion, in person. Raquel wants to be there to show her face and apologize to Ariana [Madix] in person."

March 22, 2023 -- What's Next for Ariana Madix

Madix is channeling the drama into her latest venture -- a Lifetime movie. The network announced the Vanderpump Rules star will have a role in the upcoming film, Buying Back My Daughter.

According to the network, the ripped-from-the-headlines film is "inspired by actual events of mothers who fight back when their teenage daughters go missing and are sex trafficked online."

Madix, 37, will play Karen, a police officer who helps investigate the case and has a personal connection to the story.

In addition to Madix, the film stars Roger Cross and Faith Wright. Meagan Good will pull double duty as both executive producer and one of the stars.

March 22, 2023 -- Raquel Leviss Attempts Reconciliation

Leviss is sharing the details of her attempted reconciliation with Madix following her affair with Sandoval.

Paparazzi caught up with Leviss outside of a nail salon in West Hollywood, ahead of the Vanderpump Rules reunion. In the video, obtained by TMZ, Leviss, who was dressed down in a hoodie and leggings, told the cameras that she tried to apologize to Madix for her part in the "Scandoval" of it all, but says it wasn't received well.

"We talked on the phone, and I apologized to her over text, but she didn't receive it very well," Leviss, who showed off a scar on her eyebrow she said was from her alleged altercation with Scheana Shay, said. While she said she preferred "not to say" when asked what Madix's response was, she maintained that apology was not received well.

March 23, 2023 -- Jax Taylor Says Tom Sandoval Has Cheated Before

Jax Taylor isn’t holding back! The Vanderpump Rules alum and his wife, Brittany Cartwright, were guests on Watch What Happens Live With Andy Cohen where he made an explosive claim about Sandoval.

Cohen asked Taylor if Sandoval has cheated on Madix before Leviss.

"Yes, 100 percent," Taylor said. "I told you I was there. Not only in the Miami situation -- and that was week one of their relationship by the way -- but yeah, there's been other times."

March 24, 2023 -- 'Vanderpump Rules' Reunion Films

The Bravo Super Bowl came and went. The Vanderpump Rules reunion was filmed in Los Angeles on March 23, and a source told ET that it was "going to be done like never before."

"So many logistics have gone into preparing for the event," the source shared. "Raquel [Leviss] and Scheana [Shay] will both be at the reunion but they are not allowed to be within 100 yards of each other."

The source added, "Each will film with the cast at separate times, and while either isn't filming, they will be off-set in a different location. There was discussion that they could possibly video call in while not on set, but due to the restraining order that Raquel filed against Scheana, they can't address one another."

March 24, 2023 -- The Future of 'Vanderpump Rules'

There’s no doubt Vanderpump Rules is having a resurgence, but the future of the show is unknown, ET has learned.

After seeing how the reunion played out, a source tells ET that the creative team behind Vanderpump Rules is trying to figure out where the show goes next.

Meetings are on the books to discuss the series' future. It has not yet been renewed for season 11. In the next few weeks, they are "going to be floating different ideas to move forward," the source says. "Maybe an after-the-storm way, focusing on [Katie and Ariana’s sandwich shop] Something About Her, and going that route, not focusing on this drama."

What's more, production might have issues with filming. ET has learned that "Ariana said that, unless absolutely necessary, she won’t film with Tom Sandoval. She stated her feelings [at the reunion] and now it’s time to untangle herself from Tom."

March 24, 2023 -- Ariana Madix Addresses Scandoval (Sorta)

Madix could care less about Sandoval and Leviss.

In a video obtained by Page Six, the Vanderpump Rules star is asked about Sandoval and Leviss spending time together after filming the reunion and following news breaking that Sandoval cheated on Madix with Leviss.

"What are your thoughts about Raquel and Tom hanging out right after the show," the paparazzi ask.

"I don’t know what they do. I don’t follow that," says Madix.

"Do you care at all what they did? Them hanging out," he says.

"At this point, I don’t care about anything either of them does," the 37-year-old reality star fires back.

March 27, 2023 -- Does Tom Sandoval Have Regrets?

Sandoval was out in Southern California's San Fernando Valley when the paparazzi asked him, "If you could go back and change everything that happened, would you? Would you go back and change it?"

"Hindsight's always 20/20, man," Sandoval responded. "Like, you're looking to hindsight, like, looking back at, like, when you handle a situation, like, yes, I could have handled things way better."

The reality star was also asked why he felt he was getting so much heat since the cast has always had dramatic situations like this.

"I just think it was really unexpected," he said.

March 28, 2023 -- Tom Sandoval and Raquel Leviss Spotted 'Under Covers Together'

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Kent was on SiriusXM’s Jeff Lewis Live, and revealed that at one point someone recalled "opening the doors and seeing Sandoval and Raquel under covers together" when he was in a relationship with Madix. The cast member then thought, "'This is weird but they’re just best friends.'"

Kent doesn’t give away who caught the two in the compromising position but says it was off-camera at a party.

She goes on to tell Lewis that she did not tell Madix about anything because the two "haven’t been close for a while." However, she said she did tell Shay.

Kent says Shay confronted Madix, Leviss and Sandoval but they all said nothing was going on.

March 29, 2023 -- Raquel Leviss' Restraining Order Dismissed

Leviss' temporary restraining order against Shay has officially been dismissed, ET learned. Leviss and her attorney didn’t show up to court for their hearing and the judge dismissed the TRO.

Shay's attorney, Neama Rahmani, who refers to Leviss by her legal name, Rachel, told ET, "This isn’t reality TV. This is the real world and Rachel’s actions have real consequences. Rachel filed a false police report, a false medical report, and a frivolous petition for a restraining order. Scheana didn’t punch Rachel. Rachel didn’t get a black eye. Scheana pushed Rachel but only after Rachel grabbed her wrist, and Rachel did not suffer a concussion."

He added, "When Rachel realized that she would lose in court and that she couldn’t just drop it, she decided to not show up at all. We were prepared to expose Rachel’s lies, but instead she will have to live knowing that she betrayed two of her best friends: Scheana and Ariana. Instead of accepting responsibility for her actions, Rachel shamefully tried to misuse our justice system to shift blame to Scheana. We are happy that Scheana is now vindicated."

TMZ reports Shay and her lawyer were at the courthouse.

March 31, 2023 -- Scheana Shay Teases Reunion

The Vanderpump Rules cast filmed their highly anticipated reunion and Shay is giving fans a glimpse into what went down.

On an episode of Dear Media’s Scheananigans With Scheana Shay, the reality star sat down with her co-star, Kent, to discuss the VPR reunion, how Madix handled herself, and how Shay is doing after the restraining order Raquel Leviss filed against her was dismissed.

"I thought Ariana handled herself so well. Like, she sat back and looked insanely hot and amazing and just f**king sliced with her words. So good. It was beautiful to watch," Kent says about the reunion.

"So good. I really enjoyed watching that. It was just, there was no response, like, there was nothing Raquel could have said back to her because she just assassinated her every time," Shay adds.

April 3, 2023 -- Andy Cohen Announces Extended 'Vanderpump Rules' Reunion

Cohen says the Vanderpump Rules reunion has so much action that Peacock is planning to release "extended" versions.

On SiriusXM's Andy Cohen Live, Cohen shared some insight into the highly anticipated season 10 reunion and described the day as a "real reckoning."

The Bravo boss said he filmed one-on-one interviews with Madix, Sandoval and Leviss. The television special will be one of the first times fans of the reality series will see Madix come face-to-face with her ex-boyfriend and her ex-friend after it was revealed that Sandoval and Leviss were allegedly having an affair for several months while he was with Madix.

"I did separate one-on-ones with Tom, Ariana and Raquel, so that I could get all of their stories just in conversation with me, because I had a sense that I wasn't-- now, by the way, I re-asked a lot of the stuff in front of the group, but wanted to get everyone-- and I also, I had things that I had ... my own concerns, I had my own things I wanted to confront them about, things that I had noticed," he said. "I got to do that, so that's how we started and then we brought them in as a group, OK?"

April 3, 2023 -- Ariana Madix's Revenge Dress

Talk about a revenge look! Ahead of the highly anticipated Vanderpump Rules season 10 reunion, Bravo released a photo of Madix's outfit for the special -- and it's fierce!

After her breakup from Sandoval amid his cheating scandal with Leviss, and following her "Boys Lie" style statement, Madix is showing her ex what he's missing in a red cut-out gown that puts her abs on full display.

"Prepare the group chat🚨 #PumpRules Reunion looks just dropped," read Bravo's caption for the post, which also included a pic of Lala Kent's ensemble for the VPR reunion.

April 5, 2023 -- Tom Sandoval Won't Leave the House

Kent is sharing the latest update on the drama between Madix and her ex, Sandoval, following his alleged affair with Leviss. In an episode of Kent's Give Them Lala podcast, the Vanderpump Rules star revealed that Sandoval still won't leave the house he and Madix share together.

"Sandoval won’t leave the house. I don’t know if he will now, but for a very long time he was like, 'I plan on being here all week and I plan on using every room in the house,'" Kent shared, before claiming that Madix no longer had a "safe" space to mentally "recharge" amid the drama.

Meanwhile, Doute shared more on the pair's living situation on her own podcast, Sex, Love and What Else Matters.

"He walked in, and he was like, 'Yeah, I know everyone hates me,'" Doute recalled of being at Sandoval and Madix's shared home post-scandal. "And I volunteered myself as tribute and I said, 'I’m going to go upstairs and I'm going to make sure he’s not staying.'"

She continued, "We did go upstairs, and I have to respect that they share that home, legally he's allowed to be at that house. So I reminded everybody that the best thing we can do right now is respect what the laws are."

April 5, 2023 -- Raquel Leviss Pursues Tom Schwartz on 'Vanderpump Rules'

In this episode of Vanderpump Rules, Leviss continues her pursuit of Schwartz, despite his ex-wife, Maloney's, insistence against it.

Ahead of Shay's wedding in Mexico, the group prepares for a white party, happening around one of the resort’s pools. And while it's Leviss who engages in the liplock with Schwartz, it's Shay who once again urges the action, with the soon-to-be bride telling Sandoval that she "wants Schwartz to make out with someone at the wedding."

Madix, Sandoval's then-girlfriend, calls Schwartz over to the group. Leviss is not far behind and appears to join the tail end of the convo, just after Shay asks Schwartz if he’s going to make out with anyone over the weekend.

"I can literally see Raquel’s ears perk up at the sound of Schwartz saying he’s going to make out with someone," Madix says in an interview, while jokingly imitating a dog with its ears up.

April 5, 2023 -- Tom Schwartz Breaks His Silence

In a new appearance on Watch What Happens Live With Andy Cohen, Schwartz said that the alleged months-long affair between his friend and business partner started as a one-night stand.

Schwartz admitted that he found out about Sandoval's hookup with Leviss in August, but he didn't find out about the alleged affair until January.

"It was like a crisis -- midlife crisis," Schwartz explained. "And what happened in the fall, there's a lot of gray area there. Apparently not though. I didn't think it was a linear thing. From my point of view, it became an emotional affair, which is still inappropriate."

What's more, Schwartz revealed that in Sandoval's confession, he admitted to the affair and that he was "in love" with Leviss.

"I didn't think it was a linear thing, but in January, Tom came to me -- he came to me in January -- and he told me that he's in love with Raquel," he added.

April 6, 2023 -- Tom Schwartz Is Slammed by His Co-Stars

Schwartz got through the Watch What Happens Live With Andy Cohen hot seat, but now he has to deal with Maloney and Kent.

The reality star was put on the spot Cohen grilled him about Sandoval and Leviss' affair.

When Cohen asked Schwartz if he wanted to say anything before the show ended, the 40-year-old reality star said, "If you see [Tom], maybe give him a hug even if he doesn't deserve it. Give him a hug. He's down bad."

Schwartz’s attempt at kindness didn’t sit well with his ex-wife, Maloney, who quickly responded Wednesday night on Twitter, saying, "You’re the only [one] that wants to hug him dude. READ THE ROOM!!!"

Kent also took to her Instagram Stories to give her thoughts on Schwartz discussing Sandoval and Leviss on WWHL.

"Did Schwartzy really just say, 'If you see Sandoval in the street, give him a hug?' We're atomic wedgie-ying his a**. We're punching him straight in the dick," she said, adding "Every time I sit here and say, 'I'm over Scandoval. I don't want to see it anymore.' One of those fu**ing people just meets another level of buffoonery. And here I am. Here I am having to school more motherf**kers on life. What Schwartz said has made me need to smack my vape 500 times and I can't f**king find it!"

April 11, 2023 -- Tom Sandoval Details First Kiss With Raquel Leviss

Sandoval is detailing his first kiss with Leviss. The Vanderpump Rules star was a guest on the Howie Mandel Does Stuff Podcast, and opened up in detail for the first time about the start of his affair with Leviss, which began amid his nearly decade-long romance with Madix.

Sandoval explained that, over the last year, he began to "feel trapped" in his relationship with Madix and realized that he needed to "make a change to feel alive again, to feel motivated, to feel optimistic again."

Enter Leviss, who came along "at the worst time ever" for Sandoval because he was "yearning for a connection."

April 12, 2023 -- Scheana Shay Shows Off Her Photoshop Skills

Shay and her photoshopping skills are erasing Leviss from an important moment.

Shay was on the Undressed With Pol’ and Patrik podcast and said after it was revealed that Leviss and Sandoval had an affair behind Madix’s back, she had to remove Leviss from her wedding photos.

"I decided to edit all my wedding photos and put Lala [Kent]’s face on Raquel’s," Shay said. "I had to. I don’t want that b***h in my photos."

Leviss and Madix both served as bridesmaids at Shay’s wedding to Brock Davies in Mexico in August 2022.

April 14, 2023 -- Raquel Leviss Checks Into Facility for Mental Health Treatment

Leviss has checked into a mental health treatment facility, ET has learned.

Leviss' rep tells ET, "Raquel and her family decided before the relationship was discovered that she would enter a voluntary facility for mental health counseling."

Her rep adds that Leviss had planned to admit herself before the VPR reunion was taped on March 23. "She was scheduled to go in pre-reunion but decided she wanted to finish her filming commitment," says the rep. "Bravo and production were aware and in support of her journey towards better mental health."

Leviss' rep notes that she is not in rehab for substance abuse issues.

April 20, 2023 -- Ariana Madix Has a New Man

Madix and Daniel Wai are an item. After their Coachella romance, a source tells ET that the Vanderpump Rules star and fitness trainer have been "casually dating" for a month and met at a wedding in Mexico.

Madix was photographed dancing and enjoying herself in Oaxaca, Mexico, in March, which is where she met Wai, and they "really hit it off." Madix planned to attend the wedding long before news broke last month that her ex, Sandoval, cheated on her with Leviss.

ET is told that since the wedding, Madix and Wai have been "having fun" and "right now the two are casually hanging out with no label."

April 30, 2023 -- Lisa Vanderpump and Ariana Madix Address Scandoval

Madix was joined by Lisa Vanderpump at the White House Correspondents Association Dinner at the Washington Hilton in Washington, D.C., and the reality stars spoke with ET about the rollercoaster year thus far.

"Normally, the magic of this show is the ups and the downs... the authenticity of the show," Vanderpump shared with ET. "When people talk about their real lives and their feelings, it's what keeps people engaged."

"There's a lot of people that have tried to mimic us and tried to create shows but without the authenticity of real friendship," she continued. "That's why it hurts, that's why people bleed for Ariana. Because they were invested in real relationships, and that's what people are talking about."

When asked about the show itself, and the stability of those real friendships, Vanderpump said, "Right now it's a mess. I don't know if we can sort it out."

That being said, the ongoing drama has taught Madix something about herself. "[I've learned] that I can do anything," she shared. "I can handle anything."

May 7, 2023 -- Tom Sandoval Announces He's Sober

While performing with his band, Tom Sandoval & The Most Extras, at The Space at Westbury in New York, the Vanderpump Rules star announced that it's been one month since he's had a sip of alcohol.

"It's been one month since I've had my last drink of alcohol," Sandoval told the crowd, according to a video obtained by TMZ. "I'm just taking a little break for a second."

Sandoval celebrated the moment by taking a sip of his own beverage, which he clarified was a Heineken 0.0, a non-alcoholic beer.

May 11, 2023 -- 'Vanderpump Rules' Reunion Trailer Drops

Sandoval and Leviss go toe-to-toe with Madix and the rest of the Vanderpump Rules cast after the two co-stars were exposed having a months-long affair.

Bravo released the explosive trailer for the season 10 reunion of Vanderpump Rules and it's jam-packed with tears, yelling, and a heated argument between Sandoval and Kennedy that almost turns physical.

In the trailer, a crying Madix says "can't think of two worse people," and "she doesn't see anything good coming for those f**king rats," referring to Leviss and Sandoval amid their cheating scandal.

For more on #Scandoval, check out the links below.

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Tracklist: 22 Feb 2023

Featured Album: "Operation Phoenix" by Crowne.

7pm Blue Nation - Maybe Goodbye (2013) Lansdowne - Watch Me Burn (2023) Wig Wam - Forevermore (2023) Black Sabbath - Heaven And Hell (1980) Creye - One Step Away (2023) Crowne - Juliette (2023) Eamonn McCormack - Rock 'n' Roll Boogie Shoes (2023) Motley Crue - Shout At The Devil (2021- Remaster) (2023) Deep Purple - Above And Beyond (2013) Genesis - Abacab (1981) Def Leppard - Animal (1987) Saxon - And The Bands Played On (1981)

8pm Marillion - Incommunicado (1987) Hollentor - Behind The Wall (2023) Paul Gilbert - Holy Diver (2023) Pink Floyd - Learning To Fly (1987) Seventh Crystal - Wonderland (2023) Crowne - The Last Of Us (2023) Hollows - Chequered (2023) Electric Mob - Locked N Loaded (2023) Motorhead - Ace Of Spades (1980) Survivor - American Heartbeat (1982) Thin Lizzy - Are You Ready Whitesnake - Ain't No Love In The Heart Of The City Live

* Recent shows can be heard On Demand and via Google Podcasts

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feb new listens so far babey

xandria - the wonders still awaiting (2/3)

i feel that xandria comprises both the best (2013 neverworld's end) and the worst (this stinker) of generic symphonic metal. like i put on the album while walking back from campus and found myself putting serious effort into not openly laughing as i listened. this album features some of my least favorite things such as children's choirs, weird production (the actual band is buried under their symphonic shit half the time), and general overblown ugliness. reminiscent of epica's the holographic principle but without any of the charm inherent in epica's worst shit. i rate this a I Didn't Even Bother Adding It To My Library/10

in flames - foregone (2/10)

these bitches are so lucky that i forgot i had apple music on shuffle because the track order on shuffle front-loaded the better songs. what this also meant was that i got the shit i hated in a single block. so i got ~4 tracks that i enjoyed and then got hit with meet your maker, which features the purest version of that pop-punk style clean vocal shit on the most obnoxious lyricism you can get out of this particular style of music ("at the ENd of the MASquerAAaAAAADE" etc. side note i hate (exceptions for my beloved kamelot) the life is a masquerade i.e. hollow and meaningless and false thing that you see all over the place. like a masquerade IS a party. i bet a masquerade is a dope experience.) and i was just like oh god ew ugh ow the song BIT me. i'm gonna probably go back and pull out the tracks i actually like and figure out what the melody from their intro track sounds like (it's beautiful i just KNOW IT from somewhere) and then never think about this again. comments on bandcamp are praising the clean vocals on this album and some of them are fine but other times they hurt my feelings. someone on bandcamp called in flames their "comfort band" which i think sums up the kind of taste in metal u have to have to like this. but i don't like being whined at or with.

theophonos - nightmare visions (2/15)

AWESOME! i have to go back and relisten because here's what happened. usually i don't listen to stuff direct from bandcamp bc the streaming quality is in my experience pretty garbage? like to the point where i put on the album and maps of the future sounded really thin and unimpressive (wow, not very brutal with a v of you, i said to myself) but near the end there's this gorgeous repetitive guitar that feels like . sorry. getting your head repeatedly slammed into the wall, and this convinced me to stick with the album. and then i went and relistened on apple music and the entire track sounded awesome! so that immediate bump in quality might have really swayed my enjoyment. so really my listening thotz on this album thus far are less about the album itself and more about how actually lossless streaming is so good but also has allowed me to be a terrible horrible no good very bad snob in ways which cannot be good for me. and so on

#2023 listens

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she-who-reads-fanfiction · 2 years

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I posted 79 times in 2022

11 posts created (14%)

68 posts reblogged (86%)

Blogs I reblogged the most:

@hereforsterekcontent

@wheredidhiseyebrowsgo

@christinesficrecs

@sterek-brainrot

@isthatbloodonhisshirt

I tagged 13 of my posts in 2022

#teen wolf - 10 posts

#fanfic - 9 posts

#stiles stilinski - 9 posts

#sterek - 9 posts

#fanfiction - 8 posts

#lydia martin - 7 posts

#issac lahey - 7 posts

#erica reyes - 7 posts

#jackson whittemore - 7 posts

#chris argent - 7 posts

Longest Tag: 137 characters

#almost like she was shoehorned in to try make one of the boys straight and break up a popular fan pair by stealing the chemistry they had

My Top Posts in 2022:

Teen wolf fanfic challenge update.

Started Nov19th 2020

Current date Feb 28th 2022

Days passed 466

Fics read 9516

Fics read this month 398

Average per day 20.5

Currently reading Fics from February 2013

Still here, still reading.

I feel I should have read more fics this month but I've had 0 motivation to read fics in order. I've read loads from tumblr and twitter recs just not the ones in order. That and I was down in the very bottom of the UK working at cons.

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For real though. It feels like they spent the entire first 2 seasons hinting Stiles was Bi, him flirting with Danny being a big factor and him making jokes about making out with Scott etc. Then for some reason they just completly dropped the Bi angle and he was super straight for some reason. It felt like it was no longer the character feeling comfy and joking about his sexuality to more like the show was making fun of it. For a show that claims to take place in a world without any homophobia there was a serious lack of any other relationships that wasn't straight.

The only main gay character got completely written off because they didn't know what to do with him (like how do you not know what to do with Danny) his partner disappeared and then showed up again 3 seasons later.

But I dunno it felt like you were either straight or not important to the story.

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QUESTION?

Does anyones brain do the same thing???

In my head my otps and ships don't stay the same age they age like us. the ones I've had since I was a smol have grown up and are now fully fledged adults.

Examples

KevEdd- Kevin and DD from Ed, edd n eddy, when the show came out in 1999 they were 12ish, in my head they are now 30ish?

Sterek- in season 1 Stiles was 17 and Derek was 19, my brain now thinks of them as 28 and 30?

Is this just my weird brain?

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The pack we wanted in teen wolf, an easy guide.

ALPHA - Derek Hale(boy needs good things, also born werewolf and knows things)

2nd in command- Scott mccall (cause you can be the main character without being an entitled dick, also single boy needs to be single)

Emissaries- Stiles(also alpha mate and spark) & Lydia(banshee) the two of them as communication and planners would be terrifying. Lydia can be more brutal in her plans and often sometimes forgets thins, but pack mom Stiles and her husband Parrish always bring her back

BETAS- Erica, Boyd(3rd in charge I feel this goes without saying), Isaac, Jackson,Ethan, Cora, Kira(kitsune), Malia (coyote), Liam, Theo (redeemed), Mason, Corey, Parrish (hellhound), Hayden.

HUMAN ELEMENT- Allison (ex hunter) she is protective of her friends and pack. Makes sure any hunters they encounter follow the code.

Danny(hacker) finds information, gets paperwork for them, keeps them safe

Melissa(healer) looks after everyone

GUIDES - Peter hale (has no desire to be alpha again after the first time, wants the hale pack to grow and is happy to have a large family again.)

John Stilinski - will die fighting for the pack

Chris Argent - knows how to protect the pack and how to deal with enemies

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My #1 post of 2022

Hands up if you were the child that read thousands of books and as an adult you hit burn out and now only read stories about the same 2 idiots falling in love over and over as you don't have the brain power to get emotionally attached to new characters.

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Just For A Moment (Live In Japan / 1990) · Ronnie Lane & Ron Wood

The US Years (1987-92)

Lyrics: Just For A Moment

I've been a drinking, biding my time; I've loaded and wasted, by my design(all my desires) I've been using myself, like I only I can, but I understand that you understand.

Cos just for a moment, I found my peace/feet just for a moment, I came across me; everything is, and there's nothing a-missing, well just for a moment, I found my way.

Just for a moment I found my peace/feet well just for a moment, I came across me; everything is, and there's nothing a-missing; just for a moment, I was complete.

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Documentary about Ronnie Lane 3/3

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A perspective from a newbie, started watching outlander feb this year…..never heard of any of the actors, books, author…

Watched the first half season one, like everyone else googled “ Are Sam and Cait a couple?” Told “no” she’s married and he dates other women, last one being MM. I look at the few pics with his “partners” and her “husband” (didn’t take long, lucky if there’s a total of 6) and I sigh internally ☹️. I carry on watching… ( a voice inside my head is screaming “they have to be together” as I watch each episode). What is wrong with me?

In drought lander I watch every interview and con since it started and now I am even more convinced they are a couple. I eventually find tumblr and fill in blanks and timeline, thanks to all those out there that have receipts 🧾 It was so good to read it all. Now it all made sense!

So we know Cait can “ act in love”

With different actors

And she can pull it off!

So why was it so difficult with?

Why did we get this after marrying “the love of her life!”

If privacy an issue even a hand shot of the rings would have been better than the goat? Even her child got a hand shot !

……then we have Sams (pre) wedding IG/ tweet, ref black beauty and cait 🤣

Sams (post wedding) IG/tweet there was not even a congrats or bride 👰‍♀️ and groom 🤵‍♂️ emoji? ( that I can remember, can’t find it now ) As I remember it was just stating a remarkable day and plugging the suit? C’mon! I am supposed to believe this? Really?

If the narrative was to be believed they would have made it so…..

My perception, no facts -“The meeting” prior to IFH was sprung on them, they went in unprepared and without representation to a room full of power,money, TPTB and lawyers. Whatever happened on that day and in that room has silenced them. Until outlander is finished the narrative soap opera will continue and they will continue to do what they can with breadcrumbs. Once it’s over I don’t think we will get much more than they did it to protect their characters, but at least then we’ll see them out together freely at awards, premieres etc, and if they want to post a picture with the kids they can and if they don’t that’s fine to.

If you look at it from all angles the constant smoke and mirrors actually keeps ALL sides of fans interested, that’s what outlander wants…$ everybody’s and viewing figures, everybody’s. Those who think he’s gay, bi, single, womaniser, married to Cait all get something but no one gets anything concrete.

If you look at just TWO of the people that have congratulated Tony as the father they have ALSO implied Sam and Cait a couple over the years.

Graham, we all know what he’s declared over the years and John Gary Steele who hinted Tony was her Gore Vidal. (Added bonus her hairdresser who posts congrats then deletes?) It’s all beyond weird.

A large portion see Graham’s action as 💵, another view could be that he was helping his very close friend. If you were Sam and Cait and still stuck in a narrative that you have no or little control of because you cannot for whatever reason tell the truth. Who would you want saying congrats to Cait and Tony ? Well I read Graham’s message and didn’t believe it, no way ! Not after everything Graham has said and implied. Based on Graham and John’s congrats messages alone, I thought what a load of bull***! So if you want the narrative not to be believed use people that already have “outed” you as a couple that way the narrative is unbelievable!

My view 🧐…they are a couple since 2013/14, married 2015, with a family since 2016.😍 Congrats to both of them !🥂

Post 6 Sept 2021

#a perspective from a newbie #samcait #tumblr #post sept 2021

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kaleidoscopeminds · 3 years

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Hello hello! I spent my whole morning looking at these pictures to find a reference and I have a bunch saved now so here you are

Anyhows how did you get into 5sos and then how'd you end up on this side of 5sos tumblr? What's a 5sos song you associate with a good memory and what's the memory? What's your favourite fic you've ever written, and what's the favourite out of the ones you've read?

Have a good night, stay safe!

- Team

Team!!! hello!!!! what a selection of sunglasses luke!!! the last one is one of my favs

some good questions i’m glad i’m in a better state to answer them this morning 🥰

i used to like 5sos a little in 2014 with slsp but they weren’t really on my radar for so long apart from hearing youngblood and easier on the radio and stuff over the years! but then in feb 2020 my friend asked me if i wanted to go see them do an acoustic show run by banquet records which we go to a lot and i was like sure let’s try and get tickets! and we did and in prep i started listening to a lot of their music and then made the fatal mistake of watching a load of interviews and stuff. here are some receipts

and then the world got cancelled and i started doing absolutely nothing and i fell in sooooo deep and i hadn’t had a blog since i was in the musical theatre/starkid/glee fandom in 2013 and i was like… guess we’re going this!!!! and i used to make gifs and was like u know what i’m going to do this again! and i started messaging my fav writers and then here we are!!! a lot of my friends are from messaging someone about a fic or screaming in the tags of someone’s edit or talking to someone in a reblog 🥰

i’ve spoken about this before but wildflower is mine and my best friend’s song, it came out when we lived together during lockdown and whenever it came on the radio we had a rule to stop working and have a dance break! it’s still our song and she’s the one i’m seeing 5sos with (hopefully) five times next year

my favourite fic!!! i have a love hate relationship with a lot of them but this week i’ve been thinking about meet you in the back under exit lights and how much fun that was to write so maybe that!

and there’s two molly fics that are tied for me, gbbo cake that was written for me and in the in between which may be the best fic ever written

#ask #thank you team!#4thbrighteststar #fic talk #i rambled a bit here

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Teen wolf fanfic challenge update.

Started Nov19th 2020

Current date Feb 28th 2022

Days passed 466

Fics read 9516

Fics read this month 398

Average per day 20.5

Currently reading Fics from February 2013

Still here, still reading.

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Behind the Scenes- Last Year’s Wishes

@zuluoscarecho - ““Oh man you have been busy! I’m glad the writing Has been going well for you. I would love to hear about your process when you get a chance if you’re keen. Like whether you plotted it out, whether the whole fic came to you (more or less) or how hard you had to work to fill in the gaps to get you where you wanted to go, whether you’re a “push through” kinda writer and just sit down and do it or whether you scribble stuff down all day and then type it up at the end or whatever. Many questions I have”

Oh boy, these are great questions- my approach to writing has changed from how I started “Last Years Wishes” and how I’m finishing it. First of all, I was out of practice. The last long story I tackled and finished on my own was in 2002-2003 on ff.net (for a moment I thought it was 2012-2013 but I just looked it up and still can’t believe it was that long ago, hahah) Then I wrote a follow up with a co-writer that ended …poorly due to stuff outside of writing with that person. I hit a very bad depressive cycle and didn’t write again until 2019 and RNM.

The idea came after I watched some true crime story in August- I think it was “Murder Comes to Town” - which is all small town population less than 10,000 gets hit with a salacious murder. I immediately thought about Michael, and first I thought he could be blamed for Max’s disappearance, but then I remembered how visible Noah was to the town, and I was off plotting. Carina said on twitter- oh lord what a loaded sentence that is - that we don’t know when Alex was at the Airstream or what he had to say- which fine, but that made me think about juggling the time a bit, letting the police show up first, then Alex go to the wild pony, THEN MAX, and yeah boom! Conflict! Alex knows Michael wants to be with someone else, but he just gave him an alibi. They are stuck! Fuck Alex’s whole life, amirite? That part of the idea came all at once.

I wrote the first draft of the scene for Tumblr - August 8th - started it before work when I like to write- kept writing once I got to work (bad employee!) posted it and as the comments and likes rolled in, I kept writing. First day was like 6,000 words.

Then I didn’t really touch it for 2 weeks. I kept adding stuff here and there, using WIP Wednesday to motivate me to share a bit. In one month though, the story was at 10,000 words by September 12. Mainly because I just wrote as it came to me, and let my brain just fuck off on Tumblr or reading other fics. I wasn’t really serious about it. Six weeks later it was 15,000 words by the end of October. This time I thought the reason I didn’t have more progress on it was because I didn’t have the practice of finishing a story- so I attempted at the very beginning of October to do Whumptober. I managed to write 2 stories - truth (to the people we love) and If You Regret (What You Know).

So two stories finished, I went back to Last Year’s Wishes and used everyone working on NaNo for November to buckled down. I wrote out a rough outline of future scenes. I made a point to write, if I could, every day something. I do try and write in a linear fashion, but if I couldn’t move forward in the story, I would go back to previous stuff to add in descriptions, put in some introspection- sometimes a whole scene needed to be inserted, then I could push forward again.

The story grew from 15,000 words on Nov 1 to 28,000 words by Dec 1. Nearly double in size. And the more I put my ass in the chair to write, the easier it became to focus. It will never be easy to focus for me- I really like scrolling on my phone, chatting with other people, etc. But I had to build a muscle in my brain from the ground up with no real belief that I would succeed because I thought depression and anti-depressants had broken my brain. But Malex kept me interested.

By the time December rolled around, I made a goal of finishing it by New Years, but then my outline kept growing. I kept thinking about the underlying plot, I kept thinking about how big the communication divide was- I couldn’t just say “they talked, they fucked HEA!”. As December came to a close, I realized I had written 32,000 words in the month of December but I was only half done with the story. So while I was disappointed I hadn’t hit my goal of being done, I was very pleased at the progress. The story was around 60,000 words by the end of the year.

January- I increased my goal of 1,000 words a day, to 2,000 words a day. I really believed I could finish it in one sustained push. I wrote nearly 40,000 words in the month of January- bringing it to just under 99,000 words but…it still wasn’t done. My assistant quit. I got sick. Progress stuttered. But I felt like the end was in site- so I contacted betas, two of which came through- tasyfa and Maura - and kept writing. I thought it was just 20,000 words to go, and since I just wrote 40,000 in one month, I could easily write 20,000 2-1/2 weeks, right????

February- beta comments were great, I started releasing it publically in chapters, and then the feedback started rolling in- and instead of motivating me forward, I started obsessing over the next thing people would read- I wanted it to be perfect. I started inserting new scenes, fleshing out other areas- driving my betas crazy I think- because I kept poking at it. I wrote those 20,000 words easily as the story was getting posted, but they were all in the existing frame of the plot. New stuff … that didn’t really start happening until March.

Another thing that I realized was my outline needed to be supportive but flexible. Originally (which remind me once it’s complete) but I had some different ideas for how the last few chapters were going to go, and I had to let those narratives go because it no longer felt natural to me with the narrative I had established.

Even now I have 5 scenes outlined for chapter 22, but as I started writing it this morning, I am leaning toward blending it into 4 or 3 scenes. Oh- my scene should have a standalone point to accomplish, and if that point isn’t clear or can be accomplished in another way, then it gets moved or blended. I don’t really jot things down on paper- but I have two documents- the writing doc, and the story doc. Writing doc has the outline, I always write with my outline heading just below my cursor so I can keep looking down at my goals and construct the scene from there. The story doc is where I cut and paste it into the whole thing. Sometimes as I scroll to find where I am in the doc, I will add something or edit something, before putting in the next bit at the end.

This is what chapter 18-19-20 looked like on Feb 9th in my outline : [1.. After their pathetic attempts to decorate Alex‘s leg was starting to bother him. Michael took one look at him and advised that he remove the prosthetic. Alex protested mildly about being seen that way. Michael reassured him that Isabell not only knew but didn’t care.

1a. - Isobel and Kyle arrive- she found him in the grocery store attempting to leave with the last baked ham - Mom working a double, Rosa was going to midnight mass with Arturo and Liz- 1b. Isabell and Michael have a quiet talk that Alex overhears while he changes and removes his leg for the night-. He discusses talking to Maria and reframing some of what Alex had said. 1c- walks past them to the kitchen with Kyle]

[2. Isobel and Kyle show up to the cabin for Christmas Eve- Isobel sleeps over. Michael offers the spare, Kyle takes the couch, Alex objects to Michael sleeping in the airstream. ]

[ 3. Alex wakes up to an alert on the day after Christmas Day that gets an alert about someone at the cave. Finds Michael staring at Jesse and not Max.. Why did you think you were like him- that night that Noah died. What did that mean. It means he was ruthless about his agenda and so am I. I’ll do anything to protect you. Michael is silent and closed off, but follows him back to the cabin - knowledge from the ship piece ]

ONE MONTH LATER on March 10 the notes looked like this based on how the story looked: [2. Isobel and Kyle stay in the face of the weather- Isobel sleeps over. Michael offers the spare, Kyle takes the Airstream ,Michael volunteers himself to sleep with Alex - Michael quietly explains he isn’t going to have a conversation with anyone afterward, Christmas gift exchange- Michael gives him the handprint- remnant from the console and his mother, sharing the intensity - they have sex ]

[ 3. Alex wakes up to intense sorrow by Michael via the handprint n the day after Christmas Day that gets an alert about someone at the cave. Finds Michael staring at Jesse and not Max.. Why did you think you were like him- that night that Noah died. What did that mean. They discuss Alex’s family and the future- do you think you would ever forgive them? I’ve been mad at Max, but if he came back today I would take him back, What about Flint and what he did ? Do you think he’s sorry? knowledge from the ship piece- soul mates, forever tied together ]

Err— I’m long winded, so did I answer your questions? Feel free to ask more!!

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This is gonna be a long rant

No need to say this but I am a CS, I strongly believe they were in love and actually believe they still are. If you don’t see it I’m sorry for you bc it means you’ve never been in love and seen someone staring at you like they do.  Plus our captain Dinah (and her aunt) made it pretty clear. If you’re in doubt it could also be bc of the narrative stupid managers tried to pull, but honestly anyone can see through it. I suggest you read Emisons Camren theory and post about synchronization (which I found out after I made my mind clear ab Camren) which makes perfectly sense and was confirmed to be true at 98% by ExposingLaucy.

Let me say that of course this is just my opinion and I ALWAYS take into consideration that it could be not real. I respect L and C personal life and never dare to intrude or comment their post on social networks. I want them to be happy and if they are now (I believe they are) I am happy. They can be whom whoever THEY want.

Said so, here’s my delusional Camren theory. It’s not about proving Camren is real but an analysis of their relationship (I tried to be accurate, considering songs, interviews, trustworthy sources, timing).

I believe they had feelings for each other since the beginning (2012-3), especially C, but they genuinely thought they were just friends or that it was nothing serious (ExposingLaucy said C was the one to fell in love - “Mine is Lauren” “Who are u kissing under the mistletoe?” Her obsession with “Normani”- and L slowly fell in love w her). That’s why L gave birth to Camren “it’s Camren yo” (16 oct 2012) and why they were so explicit in the interviews, on camera, tumbrl, twitter, bc they thought it was a joke and were really close. Then ppl started to see what basically they couldn’t see or admit to themselves yet (love in their eyes), ppl started shipping them and assuming they were together but again they brushed it away and even invited us to float that f boat (Nov 2013). I believe if they ever kissed before 2014 it was as a joke, at least for L (“What happened in the elevator?” Feb 2013 DinahJane on twitter. #camrenfeels 28th June 2013 and the photo of them cuddling, L saying “Thanks babe” Feb 2014 and being totally chill with it) and above all they never talked about it.

I know C said back then that her first kiss was at 17 (and everyone assumed it was with Austin but could have been with L - April 2014) and then in a recent interview ab her album she said she was 16 when she had her first kiss so it could be 1) they kissed before 2) they kissed before but as a joke and then, after realizing how they felt for each other, she reconsider that kiss 3) she messed up with her memory, she gets confused by all the bs they made her say during these years. In the same interview she said she had her first breakup at 17, which could be her telling bs and alluding at her breakup with Austin (even tho in other interviews she dismissed that relationship) or what I’ll explain later about her relationship with L.

I think C was the first to realize she had feelings for L and that’s when she wrote “Only told the moon” (where she’s scared ab her emotions and afraid the other person won’t feel the same way) even though she wrote a tweet “only told the moon” in Jun 2015. What we know through EL is that they were both each other’s first kiss and everything. [plus I’m still not over Sep 2013 when C cries singing Who are you and L glances at her every other second].

We assumed Camren real first kiss was in April 2014 (1975 concert) and it is rumored that L broke up w Brad in Dec 2014 after 8 moths. Now, I don’t believe they had an actual relationship but more a fling and not that long (L was supposed to be w Luis Felipe right? They broke up Aug 2014. And in July we have the suspicious Camren’s moans in the bunk). ANYWAY the import part is that Brad wrote I found a girl that goes "she said that she tried but she's not into guys". So now what I think is that that's basically L freaking out about the kiss she had with C because she realized she had feelings for her (so more than friendship), trying to convince herself she's not into girls, rushing into Luis and then B to prove herself wrong, then again going back to C still confused until she figures it out later. Especially when you are bisexual the process can be hard because you try to understand where you stand, if you like boys OR girls, so it’s confusing when you have feelings for both and u try to deny one or the other until you realize bisexual is A THING. The Vamps made it clear that the song is for L and then took a photo with a “Camren is real” sign in the back (well done Brad, you’re an asshole). In the song he also said that this girl started to talk to him about the other girl she was involved with, so he knew who L was in love with.

In 2014 C is in a PR relationship with Austin Moron and I think C wrote The Exchange song (unreleased as well) about that period. I came up with the timing according to a period when they were both dating others; after Chocolate by 1975 was out - we’re dressed in black, head to toe, it’s from that song while C wrote “we’ll be dressed in, all black from head to toe” and twitted it in apr 2015; also C’s tweets with the lyrics of the song - “there’s nothing like me and you and you know it” Apr 2014 - and L indirects. I think it’s ab Lauren also bc she wrote “there’s beats I’ve been skipping when my head is on your chest” and I‘ve never seen C doing that with a boy. Plus the part where she says the other person knows there’s nothing like the two of them and “you’ve been trying to say it ain’t true” so again L rushing into L/B.

Also you can tell that their relationship was never defined properly by the fact that C many times during interviews referred to a relationship she had and described it as “sort of friendship “ or “romantic relationship or whatever that was”( also look for unreleased song of C, she said she wrote it when she was 17, “Like friends do” = I’ll sit straight it the couch like friends so. And I’ll stop kissing your mouth like friends do. Cause I can’t look at you quite like friens do. You don’t say my name quite like friends do).

I think after Brad and A, they were together, during 2015 (that’s when C appeared with the ring - EL said L gave it to C in Feb 2015 - and when they try to hide and look distant in front of the camera, yet close behind cameras) but still in a confused way during all that year, with ups and downs. I’d say C was pretty cool with her sexuality while L had more difficulties; and that explains to me why C cries singing Who are you basically every time (remember the girls co-worked in writing this one, if you look up on google you can see how Camila and Lauren’s names are the first ones written). Also that’s when she could have come up with IHQ bc she said she started writing it two years before it was released (May 2017). “My name was safest in your mouth”, “your voice, it was the most familiar sound” “i was there when no one was” and in the end - this part could have been written back then or in 2017 but either way express a miscommunication- “How do I fix it? Can we talk? Can we communicate” and “Do I wanna fix it? Is it my fault? Do u miss me?”.

I think that Lauren was the one that struggled the most (from the beginning 2013), she also said in an interview (2017) that when she was little was very confused and that people calling her bisexual/gay made her angry because she couldn’t understand how they figured it out and what was about her that made them think that. It’s also tricky was she said just after that. The interviewer asked her “Did your parents know before you came out?” ab your sexuality and she said “yes, they knew before, I was dating a girl AT THE TIME so they had to know”. So ok, who was she dating tho? Lucy? Yeah right.

I think that they had a shit load of pressure from managers to not be together and at least behave in front of the camera. I remember L (think it was Sept 2015) in an interview she said “when life hits love sometimes you just die”, i mean that’s daaark, girl! Anyways, that must have led to a lot of fights between the two of them especially because you can see how in a lot of interviews C kept staring L or doing things that were pointing obviously to Camren while L was trying harder to hide it. I think C might have felt rejected and they didn’t talk about all of this (and you can tell again by their songs that they had relationship where they didn’t comunicate - expectation, something’s gotta give, in the dark, IHQ.. someone put also In your phone but L didn’t write that one).

I think that’s when C wrote Must be love, this songs screams Camren like maybe no other and describes this period. In fact she says she fell hard, that she gets mad and puts on a show, there are highs and lows, everything gets real after two am (secret relationship), that she’s gonna look at her right back and “I promise you won’t like that” (L pissed every time C is explicit) and they fuss and fight but yet she wouldn’t have it any other way.

Also it’s a link to Consequences, which is in the album (in Must be love she goes “I guess everything has consequence”) and this song has no straight-relationship explanation. Through Consequences C describes her relationship w L and what had caused. I believe she is telling us all that she loved L so much she didn’t care about the consequences that came with it, which is f managers treating them like shit, make them hide it and led to them fight as well. It is not coincidence that she wrote this in Jan 2017 after she was out the group. It is not a coincidence that in concert before playing Consequences she always sings Falling in love (“Wise men say only fools rush in” is also the beginning of Must be love). And there are links to “She loves control” in my opinion which I think describes L and maybe the role she played in all this Camren shit. (Ok C has stated that she has OCD but she doesn’t go to club and when she’s in love she fell hard so u know, so much for the control). In Must be love says “you control me more than you’ve ever known” and in Sangria Wine “yo so que tu quieres controlar mi mente” that made me think the person she’s talking ab in She loves control might not be herself but another person. Many were shook about L singing “she doesn’t let me have control anymore” in Strangers which is a HELL of a coincidence but I think Halsey wrote it so I’m not sure whether we should consider it or not.

During 2015 to 2016 we saw a lot of things that suggested the ups and down. Remember that 2015 C had major anxiety problems and a lot of trash was thrown from the fandom (especially after IKWYDLS). C saying she rather date someone out of the industry but “you can’t decide who you fall in love with, UNFORTUNATELY”. Or when they fought in another interview when C was being too obvious bc she said she would marry her celebrity crush (or any crush) even if their parents did not approve, tho she didn’t say who her crush was but “it’s important” and “i’d be in love with my celebrity crush” (she always said it was Lauren). Or when they tried to make each other jealous.

Then 2016 is tricky. They started the 7/27 tour and again we see ups and downs but mostly L more at ease with her feelings for C. I think C was still struggling with her anxiety problems and all the narrative the managers were forcing the 5 of them to follow (they were prep C’s departure). I remember how L broke down 8 Sep 2016 singing No way, she always said that it was her fav song and described it as a dialogue happening in a couple; a toxic situation, two people who wants to be together but know shouldn’t be together and also ppl from the outside telling them they shouldn’t be together (she was so into this song that during a soundcheck she said she actually could imagine a visual and music video for it). She also cried during Scared to be happy and then tweeted after the concert the she got emotional because of the LYRICS. This was in Phoenix after the show in Texas where we saw Lucy. So that made me think she was struggling back then (remember that 4 days before, C left the stage in Missouri for anxiety), trying to figure out what to do between what she felt and also the pressure for the outside (maybe C, sure as hell managers and the PR ready to come).

I think that L in 2016 realized that she wanted to commit, as I said she seemed more at ease with her sexuality. She was happy during photos with CS, she danced with the pride flag, we have the blurry kiss in London (May 2016) in front of Lucy (!!), L even interacted with C during sound-checks and sang Dope to C (who was pretty surprised), she protected her from those balloons, C and L staying one more day in Barcelona, we had the VMAs (August 2016), she called her baby and so on. She seemed very protective. I believe that’s bc they were prepping the Laucy thing and her coming out. EL said they began the process leading to Laucy in June 2016 (remember the two of them in Colombia for L’s birthday, the videos of L dancing BBW to Lucy and so on - Emisonme explained perfectly).

I think that is why she came out in the end, after all this struggles, bc she felt ready, I don’t think she was forced to. Let’s be honest, if she didn’t want to she could have said it wasn’t her in the Laucy photo or she’s not so dumb, you’re at a family wedding and you get caught kissing a girl and the photo got leaked?! I say BS. And then she decided to make a photo book with Lucy as a coming out statement?! If she wasn’t ready to do it, none of this would have happened. I think she did it for two reasons: 1) Trump was pissing her off 2) to tell C that she was ready; they let her do it bc it was convenient for her image and 5h. At the beginning of Havana - the music video - there’s an awkward scene, completely out of context. A guy comes out of a closet and says “I was in the closet” and C “so now, you’re out of the closet?” And he goes, a bit confused, “yes, for YOU”. Like wtf? C, was it necessary?! And don’t let me start with that video. C is watching the tv and you can here a woman saying in spanish “I want to be with Carmen but I can’t “, you can see a figure very similar to L and in the end C said “I love you, but I love myself more” which again made me think she’s the one that walked away in the end. Camila is giving us so many signs if u don’t see this you’re really dumb.

L obviously couldn’t come out without saying there was another girl, otherwise Camren was automatically confirmed in our mind. And who better than your best friend to help you do so and make it believable? Honestly it was a smart move and all the hate, slut shaming and shit Lucy received, she didn’t deserved it. I believe it was PR and that C was aware of this and supported it but it could have also been difficult for her. Even though she knew it wasn’t real, she might have been scared L might get involved for real, especially if you consider the fact that Camren could never be proud and loud, idk. Emisonme on tumbrl explained the Laucy shit so perfectly that I suggest u read it, I agree with everything she said. Again Emisonme explain PERFECTLY why L could come out as bi while C can’t (and she’s so gay she’s shitting rainbows).

I think shit went down tho, and they fell apart. I don’t know if it was bc of management’s pressure or miscommunication or whatever but apparently C walked away (as she said in many interviews that the situation was toxic - not the relationship - in something’s gotta give and Havana music video and in concert before singing Scar Tissue). I think that their break-up happened during that period of L coming out and C leaving/kicked out fifth harmony but that is so messed up I’m not elaborating [Theory: C leaving 5h was always supposed to happen]. Just remember how Dinah’s aunt said that Lauren would be devastated by the fact C left (”I’m pretty sure Lauren is heartbroken and shook, she is probably crying her brain away. But she already knew. If anything Lauren is leaving too. You gotta have your girl’s back. Of course I’m sure they are going to do a duet like on their own, you know, in the bedroom.”)

That’s when L was reaaally pissed at Camren fans (the tweet in Feb 2017), went a bit sassy in interviews avoiding to talk about C, and after “leaving Lucy” she “started dating Ty” (I call PR huge af). The reasons why she was pissed ab CS could be many, for starters I believe they broke up (so that’s one), n2 she came out and faked a relationship with another girl to protect C’s straight image and yet everyone kept believing in Camren, n3 her managers made her pull her straight image as well starting dating Ty to shut us up BUT I believe the real reason is n4 managers wanted to kill Camren (to launch C’s straight image) and destroy her image (as they did with the marijuana shit they pulled) bc even though i think the first three reasons are true and that’s what was going on in L’s mind I don’t think she would attack her fans and C like that. Anyways L tweeted “eyes on the moon” the day the Grammys (Feb 2017) were held and we know who the moon is.

I think C’s the one who walked away also bc of “Make u mad”, which was written mostly by L and she’s pissed y’all. There are also links btw this song and C’s songs. L also sang Back to me, she collaborated in writing the text but I don’t know to what extent but still a HELL of a coincidence.

I think they first met after all this shit at the Grammy’s after party in Feb 2017 but didn’t interact. Camila was there and she said that “In the dark” is about a boy she met there; then we have L who tweeted just the day after the Grammy’s after party ab waking up with hang over and understanding what’s fake and real. Funfact: read the lyrics of In the dark. “Vampires at the same places” we know Lauren is Lamp. L is running and “making rounds with your fake friends” and again “i can see u’re scared of your emotions, i can see you’re hoping you’re not hopeless” “who are u when it’s 3am and u are all alone” “secrets, endless”. Basically she’s asking this person to show her her real self.

Ppl said they met in March/April 2017 (i think) in studio (Diplo’s?) and I think that’s when C came up with All these years (L had longer hair - she had it cut in 2016; she had gained a bit of weight - that’s for arms stronger; her eyes, I mean WE BEEN KNEW; C was not prepared so she didn’t know L was going to be there; it was a quick hello bc they were not fine back then; “sounds like you’re happy with her” could be L’s PR; “wish I loved u like I miss u” implies that she had a relationship with that person but maybe not loved her in the right way or enough to make it last - she confirmed in an interview that this song is about an ex; who does C knows from YEARS? If I hear another SM shipper I’ll throw up)

Anyways I think that towards the mid of 2017 they kinda reconnected and now they’re in good terms. Remember how C said multiple times how even though it was a toxic situation she’d do it all over again. So that makes me think that they loved each other and the problem was mostly all the environment they were into (if the relationship was trash why on earth would she do it again?!) and C is trying to say to L: baby come back to me.

Since this is not a post w the intent of explaining why Camren is real I won’t elaborate.

In conclusion I think they are still in love (C sang it in every possible way) and probably a couple or working on to be one and the problems in their relationship were due to miscommunication and pressure from the outside.

—> Again Emisonme made super clear why they couldn’t be together in the Music business.

Stay strong in this PR shit and let them be. Even if they don’t tell us, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

Just remember EL said 2018 would be the year of the commitment, 20gayteen everybody.

“I am a lover and a fighter. I will fight for what I love” Go get your girl Lauren

#camren #camila cabello #lauren jauregui #camren is real #camren is love #camren is life #camren is endgame #camrenisotp #camila #pr #20gayteen #lgbtq #rainbow #camren theory #theory #delusional

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