#Lila anon

[charlietheepicwriter7]

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Contributors Wanted

Hello friends and fans of Miraculous Ladybug. This blog has been set up to share the works of fan authors for ML who have been harassed by an anon on Ao3 masquerading as Lila.

I started this blog in 2020, when I was being harassed myself. From there, I've shared hundreds of stories, either those submitted, or ones I spotted myself.

We are ALWAYS taking submissions. We want you to get the positive feedback you deserve to drown out the harassment from the Lila Anon.

However, I, the creator of this blog, P-Artsypants, have not been reading much ML fanfic recently. That's where you come in. I'd like to give mod abilities over to other fans and readers that would be out reading fics anyway, who might be willing to share fics to this blog when they see the Lila Anon attacking them.

Please share this post, if you would be so kind.

[vipertext]

Lila anon makes me want to cause a national tragedy

[howhow326]

Guy guys the Lila Anon messaged me!

Am I popular yet?

[journal-of-jax]

Y’all I won’t lie, I read a lot of Miraculous Ladybug fanfic. Which means that I am aware of the Lila anon role player, and honestly it’s so funny to me. Like this person’s goal is to just pretend to be one of the most disliked miraculous characters. Also they’re just so silly. “I would never be that stupid that Maribrat could never beat me” lol I’m tempted to write a miraculous fic to see if they’d show up. It be like a celebrity (derogatory) showed up

[plumsaffron]

Out of curiosity, are you familiar the Lila anon on Archive of Our Own? If so, what are your thoughts on them? (The two of you seem like you have a lot in common and would get along really well.)

I'm not.

I'm neutral for now.

Though I wish they came on tumblr to entertain me.

I'm kind of bored these days currently

Also I want to see more of these toxic Lila Rossi fans that others be talking about that they max vote for on polls.

Just to see if they are for realsies or not.

Hopefully no antiplumsaffronsupportgroup emerges lol

[mariharem-trash-heap]

Never thought I would say this, but I fucking hate the Lila anon.

This is twice, TWICE now that they’ve started commenting on unrelated fandoms as if it’s a Miraculous work.

I wish you could IP-block anons on AO3. This is so fucking stupid.

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Wait, I was reading your posts and came across something I've found confusing. How is Adrien asking Ladybug wth she is doing in Volpina a bad thing? From Adrien's perspective, Ladybug's a celebrity tracking down a middle schooler with zero clout and humiliating her for lying about meeting her before. That's, uh yeah? Imagine if that happened irl lmao. Millions of teenage girls would perish at 1D's hands. My middle school would be a horror story. And it's made clear multiple times in the episode that her motivation is jealousy. It's one of the few episodes where the lesson Marinette gets makes sense I think, because she was genuinely spiteful in shitting on this random girl in front of her crush. That's significantly different than Ladybug just asking for a retraction from the Ladyblog. It's also one of the few times when Adrien's celebrity background actually affects how he acts, and it makes sense that Marinette doesn't make the connection between superhero=celebrity=not allowed to scream at middleschoolers in public. If half the kids in her school didn't lie about meeting Ladybug before, my suspension of disbelief is gone.

I've seen this argument before and it makes no sense to me, especially in the context of the lie that Lila actually told and the way the Lila confrontation actually goes down. A lot of people who have this take seem to think that Lila's lie was, "Ladybug saved me," and that Ladybug made a big public confrontation which is not what canon actually gave us. The confrontation was done in a mostly private setting and, while we never see Lila's full Ladyblog interview, this is how Ladybug sums up the interview in Volpina:

Ladybug:(sarcastically) Well hey Lila! How's it going? Long time no see. I saw your interview on the Ladyblog, awesome job. Oh sure! I remember our instant connection when I saved your life and we've been really good friends ever since! Practically BFF's! Uh actually, when did I save your life again, Lila? I don't recall. Oh yes! Of course, now I remember. Never! And we're not friends either! Miss Show-Off here was trying to impress you and everyone around her.

Lila didn't just lie about meeting Ladybug, she lied about having an ongoing, close relationship with Ladybug, two very different things. And Ladybug isn't just a celebrity, she's a superhero who is fighting an active terrorist. If I had to rewrite this confrontation, I'd keep it pretty much the same and just change the "Miss Show-Off" line to something like:

Miss Show-Off here was trying to impress you and everyone around her, putting herself and all of you at major risk! You know that Hawkmoth would do anything to get these, right? (gestures at her earrings) Did you even stop to think about what he'd do if he learned the identity of my supposed best friend? Of course not. You were too busy trying to look cool to stop and think things through like an actual superhero! We keep our identities and relationships secret for a reason!

Is this the kindest, most gentle way to confront someone like Lila? No, but it's very in character for Marinette to be filled with righteous fury when she sees someone using her name for their own personal gain. I really can't blame her for getting incredibly angry at this total stranger presenting herself as a Ladybug authority and using that authority to manipulate Marinette's friends. As I've said before, take away the crush complication and Marinette's actions still make total sense to me.

I'm not a huge proponent of virtue ethics. That's the idea that you need proper motivation for an act to be morally justified. If you do the right thing for the wrong reason, then the act is bad no matter how good the results and vice versa. If you view the world that way, then sure, you could possibly argue that Marinette's actions were wrong just like you can also argue that Gabriel's actions were totally fine, but I don't view the world that way. Switch Marinette's motivation from jealousy and a little righteous fury to pure righteous fury and almost nothing changes. She'd still need to confront Lila, the words would just be a little different.

It's not like this confrontation stops Lila, either. Chameleon gives us this:

Lila: (in flashback) Not only did Ladybug save my life, we've become very close friends. Marinette: She lies with every breath. Nino: Wait. You eavesdropped on Lila and Adrien? That's not cool. Alya: A good reporter always verifies her sources. Can you prove she doesn't actually know Ladybug?

Quick mini rant before I give the next Chameleon quote: this isn't how verifying your sources works, Alya! You should be verifying that Lila does know Ladybug, not the other way around! Right now, Marinette and Lila have equal authority on the topic as far as you know and there is no evidence to support either claim, so you should be looking for proof that Lila isn't lying! Proof isn't a first come, first serve problem even though a lot of people fall into that trap. This is especially true since Lila goes on to make claims like this:

Lila: Of course Ladybug saved my life. She never misses an opportunity to rescue her best friends. Max: Didn't your tinnitus give you vertigo when you went up the Eiffel Tower? Lila: Oh no. Ladybug knows me so well that she brought me an earplug to stick in my right ear.

So Lila keeps right on lying about her relationship with Ladybug, presenting them as close friends, making it even harder for me to get on the "Marinette was in the wrong for privately confronting Lila" train. If anything, Marinette was too tame! She needed to go full scorched earth and have Alya post a public retraction that included a message about the dangers of claiming to be personal friends with someone you don't actually know.

If the show went that route and had Ladybug give an equally furious smack-down and Alya posted it without a second thought, THEN I'd probably be on team "Marinette needed to tone herself down because she went too far" because that isn't a heat-of-the-moment reaction. It's something Marinette would have time to think through. But Volpina didn't go there. Instead, we just get Marinette reacting live to someone using her name to flirt with her crush. Remember, this is the setup to Marinette transforming and jumping in to stop Lila:

Lila: Not only did Ladybug save my life, we've become very close friends because we have something very special in common- it's what I wanted to tell you about. I'm the descendant of a vixen superheroine myself, Volpina. Adrien: Volpina? Marinette: Volpina? Adrien: Wait a minute! I think I read about her in my book. Lila:(stopping him from grabbing the book) Of course she's in your book. She's one of the most important superheroes. More powerful and more celebrated than Ladybug. Between you and me Ladybug doesn't even make the top ten. My grandma gave me this necklace. [Marinette runs off to transform] Adrien: (holding Lila's necklace) Are you telling me this is a Miraculous?! (Ladybug lands in front of them)

This wasn't a planned confrontation. It was Marinette reacting live to some pretty massive lies. If Ladybug had been swinging by and just overhead this, then the scene once again wouldn't change much. That's why blaming Marinette for confronting Lila in the "wrong way" feels so victim blame-y to me. "How dare Ladybug not be perfectly poised at all times and react with grace when someone lies about being her close friend and teammate!" is not a take I'm ever going to agree with. And if you want to use the middle schooler defense? Then it applies to Marinette, too. She and Lila are the same age. Why the different standards just because Marinette has fame that she never asked for or sought out?

I've never been much of a fan of holding celebrities to an "always on" standard where their every interaction needs to be done with poise and grace even if the interaction happens out in the wild and not at a planned even where the celebrity can be mentally prepared for dealing with fans. That's extra true for accidental celebrities like Ladybug. Marinette didn't take up the earrings for fame and they certainly haven't brought her fortune, plus she has no PR training. Expecting her to be a PR master who knows how to handle her accidental fame is, once again, a little too victim blame-y for my tastes. Ladybug is here to save the world, not sign autographs. You can hold her to politician standards when you start paying her for risking her life on the daily.

There's a version of Lila where I would have a different take. A version where the lie really is minor and Marinette really did "overreact", but even there my lesson wouldn't be "Marinette was totally in the wrong" because I genuinely think that sends the wrong message to kids and kids are the show's target audience. Think about what you're actually saying here, "Because Marinette is famous, she needs to accept that people will lie about her and just ignore them even if people believe the lie."

While that isn't exactly a wrong take, it's still really messed up. It's not okay for people to use Marinette's name like that just because she's famous. The reason she needs to learn to let it go is because that's what's best for her mental health, not because her fame makes her lesser than others when it comes to things like personal privacy. The lies are not magically okay just because she's well known.

Remember, Marinette is a fictional character, but the kids watching this show are very real and they're way more likely to be Lilas than Marinettes. And the kids that do relate to Marinette in this episode? They'll be kids who have dealt with the rumor mill spreading lies about them or their friends without the celebrity complication. The show should not be telling either set of kids that Marinette is the one in the wrong here. That is the wrong moral and why I hate this episode so much. I might feel differently if the intended audience was teens and if this plot was allowed to be more complex, but none of that is true. The show is aimed at kids ages 5 to 12 and every episode is supposed to teach its own moral with Volpina's moral being "Marinette was explicitly and totally in the wrong here."

This is the age of internet personalities where there are more easily-accessible celebrities than ever and where many of them do not have the wealth needed to protect themselves from fans nor the PR training to know how to handle extreme fans if there even is PR training for that! That means that it's honestly really important for kids to learn to view these individuals as people who it's wrong to lie about and who deserve the same respect as non-famous people. Treating celebrities as public commodities is how we get things like the Kit Connor scandal where an 18-year-old actor felt forced to publicly come out because the internet wouldn't shut up about his sexuality. Oh, and since you brought up one direction, I'll also note that the band members have publicly stated that online shipping discourse has negatively impacted their relationships. So, yeah, I'm never going to agree that kids should be told that it's okay to lie about celebrities or treat them as fictional characters to play with and that the celebrities are the ones who are wrong if they get upset about that behavior. That shit is toxic.

If we go the "minor" lie route, then my version of this episode would be a very sad one where Marinette learns that people are going to ignore her boundaries and lie about her and there's nothing she can do about it. A lesson in mental health training that will hopefully help kids who are dealing with bullies, but that does not present Marinette as totally in the wrong. It just teaches her when to pick a fight and when to let it go, which is a very important skill to learn even outside of lies about your own person. There will be many times when you hear people say something that you vehemently disagree with and it's important to learn when to pick a fight and when to just let it go, knowing that no good will come from speaking up even if you're 100% in the right. It's a very sad, but also very necessary skill.

I think Adrien has a place in that story. A place where he still tells Ladybug to let it go, but it should NOT have been played the way it was in canon where he acted like Ladybug was totally out of line. He needed to be way more compassionate and understanding of her very justified anger. I've written Adrien giving advice on this topic before and it's always presented as, "people are going to be assholes and you have to learn to ignore them for your own well being," not as, "you are wrong to be upset about strangers telling lies about you. You agreed to deal with this when you decided to be a hero" because what kind of asinine lesson is that?

You could also keep Adrien's canon reaction and have the lesson be him learning that it's okay to have boundaries. That his fame doesn't negate his bodily autonomy and right to be treated with dignity. That people chasing him down, invading his personal space, and otherwise preventing him from living a normal life is wrong. I love it when fanfics take this approach to Adrien's part in the Lila conflict. It's very cathartic to see his friends supporting him and protecting him from Lila.

I really have tried to see Volpina from the "Marinette was totally in the wrong" perspective because I've come across it several times, but I just can't wrap my head around it. If you've got a counter argument, then feel free to try to change my mind because I've given you my full thoughts here, but know that I'm probably not budging on this one. You'd have to make some pretty dramatic changes to canon for me to feel like this take has a point. I think the only way that I'd be on Lila's side is if it was very clear that no one believed Lila and Marinette still had the same reaction that we see in canon as that does feel like going too far. But everyone believed Lila so that's not a solid argument and I'm just never going to agree that people have to be cool with others lying about them just because they're famous. I honestly despise celebrity culture so much and hate that people are basically forced to deal with that bullshit if they want to be successful in certain artistic fields.

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post it now.

FINE BUT YOU ASKED FOR IT

(come home p… bring the strap with u)

[cboffshore]

what you say about Jay's condition in the skybound fics is actually very true. 90% of the fandom portrays him as falling at the slightest degree of pain, bursting into tears and begging when in canon Jay NEVER cries or begs in all his torture with Nadakhan. All he does at most is complain silently, and continue talking shit about everyone

we actually need more fics of Jay being a little shit that fights dirty, cheats, and deals damage using the meanest ways to defend himself and attack even when he's getting his ass kicked. I just feel like a lot of fics don't really embody the fact that Jay didn't sit back and let them torture him while he cried, but he actually fought back, he actually continued to be stubborn to the point that nothing Nadakhan did worked.

You're so right and you should absolutely say it. I am not the biggest Jay enjoyer (don't get me wrong, I like him, but I'm not winning the Jay Fan contest any day soon), but I particularly enjoy his arc in Skybound and how that persistence plays into it. Seeing it get put to the side in favor of whatever all these crying sessions are trying to do honestly makes me wonder - do people who write this flavor of sadboy Jay actually enjoy/appreciate Skybound to the same degree that inspires so many of us to write about it, or are they just there for the angst openings? Which does Jay such a huge disservice. I'm still in awe whenever Jay gets that Target ball sized ball and chain slammed into his chest and still gets back up. This is the guy everyone's relegating to weep in a corner? He's throwing stray insults at every opening and then some and the popular fanon consensus is, "yeah, he's completely broken, send him to the pit"??

Now, don't get me wrong, the occasional show of vulnerability is great. Key word there is occasional. To be fair, I would likely be just as unsettled as I am by the sobfest trend if Jay just did Bugs Bunny shenanigans the entire time without ever cracking. It's about balance! Show that development off! Have him get tougher over time! A strategically placed breakdown or slip-of-the-tongue beg can work so well, it's just got to be handled carefully. (Tried it with Nya once in my own Skybound fics, and can confirm: watch where and when it happens and you can say a lot about whoever does it. Granted, I have never tried it with Jay, but same principle!) Sure, let him do it - but not for the sake of doing it. What would Jay think after the fact? How would the crew's reactions affect him? (Fun idea: would he weaponize it, like the back pain scene where he's literally grinning the whole time? Would he deliberately turn on the waterworks often enough that if it ever happens for real, nobody tries to take advantage of it?)

I didn't mean to go on for that long, but yeah! It's a frustrating topic, and I really wish I knew where it came from. Thanks for dropping in and letting me ramble!

[charlietheepicwriter7]

this is the fifth time one of these little tarts has commented on Pomegranate Seeds in the last twenty four hours.

I keep marking their comments as spam, and i think they're getting pissed off

[lilaanonsupportgroup]

First comment on my new chapter!!

Considering the plot of my fic (MDC is Dead) I kind of anticipated comments from them already. Already locked anon comments on the original fic so they're commenting on another one of mine that was recently finished (No, Mr. Wayne, You Can't Adopt Me!). Oh, and btw I write for the Maribat fandom.

Glad to know they're upping my comment count lol but alas I have to persistently delete these comments.

Ugh, and you got all excited because it was the first comment for the chapter, and then it ended up being her. She's a typical spoil-sport. She might be upping your comment numbers, but she certainly isn't saying anything important.

Maribat is an acquired taste for some, but as long as Lila makes an appearance, it doesn't matter what fandom it's for.

Looks like the Anon has been more active recently. We're always taking submissions!

[getting-spooky-on-a-friday-night]

Lila: We're crazed, angry, sweaty animals! We're not unicorns, we're women! Lila, punching a wall: and we take what we want! Carmen: Yeah! Jaune: YEAH! (Jaune smashes a rock with her face.) Jaune: ...too much?

[tinned-beef]

So many people are saying that maybe Diego will die and then Five and Lila will be together do you think that's true based on what you've seen?? 😭😭😭

lmaoooo good question anon. this one is particularly funny to me because i just really don’t think it’s going to happen (or at least i very strongly hope not)

i’m assuming diego is going to get the fake death this season (in the past 3 seasons at least one umbrella has a ‘fake death’ near the end of the season: allison in s1, ben in s2, luther in s3). but this is just my assumption based on how the tua instagram and promos seem to be teasing it. also steve blackman has said multiple times that this is a happy ending! (i think) so it’s pretttyyyy safe to say that most of, if not all of the umbrellas will make it out alive.

while in the first episode diego is led to believe that lila is maybe cheating on him with five, i personally didn’t see any romantic subtext hinted between the two at all. they work REALLY well as friends and as much as the writers are iffy on the characters sometimes i really don’t think they’d do this. it’s also just- straight up weird? five is physically 19/20 in s4 and is still very much a 60 (ish… this is debatable) year old man mentally. on the other hand lila is 35? 36? even ignoring their personalities and character traits, the age gap is just weird.

anyways anon the main bit of evidence i can give you is that during their dinner lila specifically complains about how hard it is being a mother and wife and five responds with something about being thankful he never got married (delores erasure but. okay.) this explanation is a bit biased because putting lila and five in a romantic relationship is something that just might ruin the show for me, but i am trusting that the writers wouldn’t do something like that. i am very strongly hoping that diego and lila are endgame, and if not, then let lila be a strong independent woman herself 🙏

[thesaltyoceanwaves]

Writer of the fic with Fleur in it here (glad to be included in the vid btw! :)) - I still can’t believe that a year later, they responded on the SAME chapter just to tell me what actually happened in canon.

The Lila anon has never personally bothered me , but I think that’s due to the nature of what I write - primarily salt. I always figured that those were the writers they were targeting. It hasn’t dawned on me until recently that that isn’t really the case.

I’m sorry they went after a work that meant so much to you. That’s absolutely crossing a line. They’re already pushing their luck commenting as they are on works of people who are far less tolerant of their actions, the least they could do is read the room.

Anyway, they just commented on a new chapter of mine after going so long without saying anything. And not even ten minutes after I posted it. I think such dedication to my work deserves a proper response.

I’m using this account just to post this video because it is super important to me please watch it I think it’s funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmFZ6rQmEvo&ab_channel=LemonadeSweets

[l1linya]

Could you draw Chloe and Lila Rossi as best friends?

I wonder who they're gossiping about? 👁️👄👁️