#Lego joker said gay rights

[toobattojokes]

Today, I drew myself a bath and decided to revisit the cinematic masterpiece that is Lego Batman. Oh brother. This must be one of the best written comedy/action films I’ve ever seen. The humour, the sexual innuendos, a whole ass queer-coded plot premise and Will Arnett, yet again, playing a narcissistic, emotionally unavailable jerk?! It’s easily one of my favourite movies of all time. I also love Michael Cera Robin ❤️

[poisonousquinzel]

people in the replies of this keep mentioning Joker and him being queercoded n shit and it's just like 😭😭😭😭 y'all are so stupid I stg

Yeah the best example of a good villain whose not bigoted is *checks notes* the dude who violently abused his bisexual girlfriend, drugged her, pushed her into chemicals, ran her over with a car, infected her pet hyenas with rabies and had them attack her, hung her up by the neck with a chain, tried to forcefully impregnate her, pretended he was going to cut her face off to make her scared, made fun of her appearance to her face and to his goons, cut the side of her mouth open with a shaving blade, put a hit out on her, carved a J into her chest, pushed her out of a window 5 stories up, has kicked - punched - slapped - strangled more times than I could list individually,,,,, or has sexually assaulted Batman, and has sexually assaulted Barbara Gordon, is implied to have sexually assaulted someone in Joker (2008), oh and forced Harley to strip in a public crowded bar under threat of detonating the bombs in her and the squad's necks if she didn't. So ya know, also sa.

but hey !!! at least he's not said a slur! and he won't work with Nazis! as if that's not the literal bare minimum. Wow he won't work with Nazis, fucking NAZIS, do you want me to applaud him for doing the easiest thing that any person with even mildly decent or existent morals would decide? Ya know, not working with goddamn Nazis.

No one should be working with fucking nazis?? The bar is in hell.

Being an abusive borderline rapist with a sky high sexist streak is just casual Worst Villain behavior, he's not a bigot!

Everyone knows you're only a bigot of you 1. Say Slurs 2. Work with Nazis.

That's obviously the only qualifying criteria for being a bigot.

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The Joker is a whole entire sexist with a history of severe in character abuse and sexual assault. but none of that matters to ((unfortunately large)) sections of the fandom or to locals cause some of y'all would rather just pretend he's an uwu messy gay dude who's just oh so in love with Batman and is not a sexist, abusive bigot cause fuck women and the suffering he enjoys putting them through right? like y'all's only reference for him is the fucking Lego Movie and GOD it shows

[kerakeriza]

saw ur post about wanting to know about the "gay history" of Robin and Batman, and if ur genuinely curious, let me try to explain.

I remember learning abt this in depth a while ago, sorry i can't find a link to anything right now but here's what i remember; (WHILE I WAS WRITING THIS I DID FIND A LINK here u go https://youtu.be/FWzY5d9G5mI?si=3skV8YS4NaJoGPb this is abt the subversive queercoding in the lego batman movie, but it goes really well into the history of said queercoding)

Basically, Batman started out as a rather queer character. In the beginning, he gave 'gay vibes.' Grant Morrison says that "gayness is built into batman'. There were scenes in the comics of Bruce and Dick say; sharing beds, or saying things that could be very much taken out of context.

Around the 50s, parents were starting to catch on and this was when the Comics Code Authority was introduced. This is basically a massive censorship to 'protect the children.' like with; DnD, horror, being queer, etc.

I mean look at the Joker; he is framed as being obsessed with batman, right? and Batman continuously denies him. It's like joker is "in love" with him, right? So it was framed as the "bad" queer and "good" straight macho man is Batman. (Even tho batman remains... a very queer character.)

anyway, so,, yeah. It's just that they were in fact queercoded in the earliest batman comics. Theres references and stuff in the video if you're curious! sorry if im a bit unclear im just tryna fill u in real quick lol its like 4am i aint writing a good essay rn.

thank you for the link, i do appreciate that.

in the 50s, absolutely, i won't deny how gay it looked for bruce and dick to sleep so damn close to each other lol. i do still question that it was there in the *start* of batman & robin's dynamic though, since they kicked off in the 40s as legal guardian and ward, and i *have* seen some people seem to imply that it was in the very very beginning, or that the earliest comics neeever had bruce and dick's dynamic as something more akin to parent-and-child. if i could see more direct evidence in the early 40s of the same shit, like the beds-too-close thing, then i'd buy that it was literally baked into batman's character and not just appended to him 14 years after his inception.

i have yet to see evidence that goes *that* far back, to the actual beginning, and i'm a bit too busy to go looking for it myself when i've already promised to read some other comics first, hehe...

sooo, feel free to send me more of the brudick crumbs (as one may call it in shipping terms, i mean) from the 40s. i remain curious.

(here is the gayest panel i've been shown so far, and while i did initially think they were sharing a bed, as you've mentioned yourself, looking closely reveals they're actually in separate beds and just possibly sharing a blanket? lol. still gayer than may be acceptable. i found out it was from batman #84, as well. yay!)

[jabberwockey]

[a-joke-about-bats]

Thoughts on other Joker ships like:

riddlejokes lex jokes

I guess following the naming scheme joker x scarecrow would be Scarejokes lol

I love this ask! In my opinion Joker loves Batman the most and that's his #1, but he definitely fucks around with other people.

Riddlejokes: 90/10

I don't ship these 2 in a romantic way, but I KNOW THEY ARE BEST FRIENDS. DC TOLD ME SO THEMSELVES. The way they HATE eachother but also Joker has shown mutual respect towards Riddler like when he asked him for help in Dotf. Riddlejokes is prime best friend material among the rogues gallery!!!!! I'm a huge huge huge fan. I think Jokers best friend order goes: Harley, Catwoman, Riddler.

Lexjokes: 100/10

I KNOW THESE 2 FUCK. there is no way they don't. Lex falls right into Joker's type of the billionaire with an attitude. Also they both love someone else so the conditions of their relationship is very explicit between them. Fuck buddies and the best of the A-list villains. Lex finds Joker an absolute nuisance but that never stops Joker does it? They are coworkers and are heavy players in the legion of doom and I think they are around eachother often. Love Lexjokes 💖

Catjokes: 9/10

Again, not romantically but THESE 2. THESE 2 AND THEIR RELATIONSHIP!!!!! OH MY GOD it's so good. My favorite Joker relationship outside of Batjokes. The one thing I hate about it tho is how.... kinda homophobic it feels if u look at it logically. Like Joker is just a tool for a writer to be like "look at Joker be the homophobic nightmare trope! He's trying to breakup the main heteroship!" BUT WHEN U IGNORE THAT BECAUSE FRANKLY THATS DCs M.O. THEY ARE SO HOMOPHOBIC SOMETIMES 🙄🙄 Joker and Selina have such an interesting relationship. They understand eachother because they both love the same man,only opposite sides of him. and it's so interesting how Joker is jealous of Selina and Selina is jealous of Joker, but they get together to hang out often. It's like.... frenemies but in a way that's deeper than riddlejokes? It's hard for me to articulate why I love these 2 as a catty friendship but they hit different.

Jarley: 0/10

Hell no. I hate them together romantically it's AWFUL and so bad. I don't like how Harley thinks of Joker as a victim. And how Joker treats Harley is self explanatory as to why I loathe it. I do love Joker and Harley as gay besties tho in a similar vain to Lego Batman! Also, I think it's a super complicated ship because I think Joker used Harley, but later on I think his feelings became more serious and he kinda loved her because he talks all this talk about killing her but when push comes to shove he never does and he also KNOWS that she knows him better than anyone- even Batman. It's so wierd. I am not trying to romanticize it at all and I despise the ship, but Harley's influence on his life should not be ignored or chalked down.

Punchjokes: -100000000/10

Fuck. No.

Scarecrow + Joker: 5/10

I don't see it, but I gave it a 5 cus it's not crack and there's basis for the ship. BUT scarecrow's a little bitch who I don't think Joker respects. I can't get behind this ship because Scarecrow is a sniveling rat that pisses me off. I will say tho their teamup during knightfall was funny.

Twoface + Joker: ?/10

I want to like this ship but I read a fic where the Twoface and Joker banged and it was so alarming ive been scared of this ship ever since. This ship is the monster that lives under the bed. I'm scared.... very scared of this pairing. ALSO for concrete evidence Joker said he doesn't respect twoface in dotf so I don't think the vibes match.

Penguin + Joker: 3/10

Okay so this one is wierd cus I'm pretty sure they hate eachother now but their rivalry is also kinda funny? And before the current interpretation of their dynamic, in the '66 version and around that time I think Joker and penguin got along really well. ALSO THE WAY PENGUIN LENDS JOKER ROOMS IN HIS LOUNGE DESPITE THE WIERD FUCKING SHIT HES CAUGHT JOKER DOING SKSBSKJSKSJJSJSOSKE.

Anyway, that's the end! I was pretty thorough! Hope u enjoy my opinions 💖

[pretentious-clownery]

join me as i watch the lego batman movie for the first time (yes i’m late but fuck you)

JOKER I LOVE YOU

why did i recognize the calendar man bc of starkid-

“but all i’m getting is this hold music!i love it” YES

the joker is gay say it with me

wiat why do we give a ahit about the mayor

OH AHIT ITS BRUCE WAYNE-I MEAN BATMAN

“always bet on black”-batman whilst wearing a blonde wig,not surprised tbh

WHY IS BATMAN AND THE JOKER SO GAY

LIKE THE WHOLE “i’m fine with you fighting other people but-“ THEYRE BOYFRIENDS

“are you saying there nothing special about our relationship” JESUS CHRIST THEYRE NOT EVEN TRYING TO HIDE IT

petition to have superhero movies all be lego

j bird is my official name for the joker now

“batman doenst do ships” bitch tell that to your fandom

“there is no us” “batman and joker are not a thing “ THE WAY THE JOKER SHAKES HIS HEAD AND TEARS UP

GIVE THIS CRIMINAL A HUG

“i don’t need you” HE NEEDS YOU THO BATS ,WHY ARE YOU BREAKING UO WITH YOUR BOYFRIEND

“you mean nothing to me” JOKERS LIPS QUIVERING IM GONNA CRY HE LOVES HIM SO MUCH

i’m 12 minutes in i-

i like to think that while everyone is praising batman joker is crying to taylor swift

“i love you more than my kids “ i didn’t know my parents were in this movie

why did i think when he asked where the orphanage was that he was gonna either set it on fire or beat up the orphans-

IS THAT ROBIN

“take care of your abs” gonna write that on my wall

aw the kid with the glasses that i think is robin didn’t get anything but still loves the rich asshole

“what’s the password “ “iron man sucks” THEY WENT THERE AND I LOVE THEM FOR THAT

i mean i agree

did he pull that out is his pocket??

is he wearing a fucking THONG

why is the lighting so good it’s a fucking lego movie

ok but the silence after the loud atmosphere to show his loneliness is so good and smart??

is he laughing at what i think is a sad scene

batman honey you can take off your mask y’know

like you’re at your house you can be yourself

hes talking to his parents aw

DID HE KICK ALFRED INTO THE FUCKING PIANO BY ACCIDENT??

JESUS CHRIST THAT GIVES ME A BIGGER REASON TO BE AFRAID OF HIM

why is this so fuxking meta i love it

“don’t you think it’s time to face your greatest fear?” ”snakes?” “ no” “clowns?” “no”

batman how are you afraid of your boyfriend

SNAKE CLOWNS OML

“nope now it’s snake clowns bc you put that idea in my head” same

“you’re gonna have a great time!” “nonono” “you might meet some new people “ “nonono” “you could even make some new friends!” “nONONONONONONO-“ why is this me

did he beatbox no

OML TUXEDO DRESSING PARTY

the only party i wnat to go to honestly

why do all of his tuxedos really suck

“superman gets it,why can’t batman” *sinks into his chair* your honour give him a hug

“you deserve better than batman” HARLEY BE SPEAKING FACTS

joker is so upset

joker would like olivia rodrigo and blast good 4 u and favorite crime CHANGE MY MF MIND

WHY IS VOLDY THERE

oh god what’s his idea

“he’s the greatest orphan of all time!” why is he actually right

in every batman movie we see his parents die

he’s become an orphan so many times it’s ridiculous

“i’m just so jazzed to meet you”

JAZZED??

oml bruce just said it

robin with eyeliner oml

BRUCE YOU HAVE A BF WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU LOOKING AT

ok she’s badass

IS THE JOKER ACTUALLY SURRENDERING WAIT

“apapapapapapa” “you run and i catch you” theyre boyfriends carol

“you were right.there is no us” in any other movie this would be an emotional scene but in this movie it’s a VERY EMOTIONAL scene

but joker is right

his plans often have a back up taht is literally him getting captured so why not just surrender

is he actually saying blink

why do i love him and kinda relate to him

“i just wanna go to arkham and pay for all my crimes” bitch who are you trying to fool

still love him

“BLINK BLINK BLINK BLINK BLINK BLINK-“

joker is an anime girl confirmed

“i’m of the menu! you won’t get to fight *this* anymore” is he calling himself a snack

“riddle me this!WHAT JUST HAPPENED” i love the riddler

OK WIAT EVERYTHING WHEN DARK BC NOTHING MATTERS TO HIM BUT THE POLICE CAR WITH THE JOKER AND JOKER HIMSELF ARE STILL COLORFUL

DO I SENSE THAT BATMAN ACTUALLY DOES LOVE JOKER BUT SIMPLY JUST IS IN DEEP DENIAL HMM??

“no more crime!” are they actually that stupid? do they really think that all crime is over? even though someone new could spawn ??

aw the soft music when it shows robin being adorable and bruce realizing he has to raise him is actually so wholesome

“and i must say,i’ve grown rather fond of the young lad” same alfred,same

he’s saying hello to the table protect this angel at all costs

“i’ve always wanted one of those” can i give him a hug

i love robin sm

“don’t call me dad” “okay papa”

HE CALLED HIM DAD AND BATMAN DIDNT OBJECT TO IT IM GONNA CRY

he’s proud of him i’m actually going to cry

DAMMIT YOU RUINED IT

harley is such a queen

JESUS THEY ACTUALLY BROUGHT ALL THE VILLAINS I

VOLDYS HERE

“with an eye for jewellery” y e s

NO SHIT THEYRE POWERFUL

“ask your nerd friends” what if you are the nerd friend

“actually this is pretty terrifying bat-dad” i love him so fucking much

“where’s homeboys bat cave” i wnat this on my wall

“are you trying to tell me bruce wayne is batman

‘s roommate?” I LOVE THIS SM

“i’m rubbing my butt all over your stuff” “we’re gonna have to rename this the butt-mobile” why is he like this

YES ALFRED JOIN THEM

unironically alfred is such a fucking badass

them dissing suicide squad i love it

bitvh there was an entire trilogy to destroy sauron you do not have time to destroy it NOW

his autopilot oml

HE CALLED ALFRED GRANDPA IM GONNA CRY

“endgame is the biggest crossover” what’s THIS THEN HMM

NO

NO ALFRED CANT DIE

oh thank gods

alfreda british insults are iconic

“have you realized you have never said the words i hate you joker?”

mf they’re not even trying to hide it are they

WHY IS THIS SO GAY

LIKE WHO GAVE THEM THE RIGHT

THEYRE CHEERING FOR THEM SAME

they’re all invited to the wedding

“i’m not gonna be part of a one sided relationship any longer!” OH STRAIGHT UP JUST SAYING-OK GOT IT

harley and joker being gay best friends is what we deserved all this time

ok that light bitch is speaking facts

batman ,while not being a bad guy,he really isn’t great either

HIM TAKING THE NIGHTWING SUIT YES

him and robin bonding in their own way aw <3

THE CLASSIC FIGHT SOUND AFFECTS YES

“winguediam leviosHUT UP!” love that

“GET OFF MY PADRE” YOU TELL EM DICK

“the most powerful weapon at all,shredded abs”

“if there’s no gotham,then i’ll never get to fight you again “ he really knows how to change his mind huh

HIM LISTING ALL THE TJONGS THE JOKER IS THE REASON FOR IS ODDLY TOUCHING??

“and if it wasn’t for you,i never would have learned how connected i am with all these people.

and you”

brb gonna go SOB

“you’ll help me save us” theyre in love

“you just said us”

y’all

why do i have a new ship

“you had me at shut up” YES

my new wallpaper

then having to take off their hairs to connect is actually a fun detail

eXCUSE ME THAT IS *VERY* CLOSE

HE SAID THAT HE HATES HIM AWW

“i hate you too” “i hate you more” “i hate you the most” “i hate you forever” GET A ROOM

NO BATMAN STAY WITH YOUR BF AND SON

“my two dads are the same dad! but they’re both leaving…” i’m gonna cry

ok bruce talking about how losing people is part of life and how you need to let people in no matter what is just so meaningful and i love this sm

THANK YOU FOR SAYING PLATONIC

NO HE HAS TO SAY WITH HIS SON PLS NO

THEYRE HUGGING

NO YOURE GONNA CRY SHUT UP

all of the villains watching him ascend oml

DID HE GET REJECTED YAY

THEYRE ALL BONDING YES

“holy family photo batman we did it!” YES

him calling him dad yes

the credits YES

alfred playing the guitar >>

“i really hope this thing wasn’t recording “ oh boy do i have some news

NOOO ITS OVER WHYYY

[lilacs-stash]

Tlm identity headcanons + some ships

Okay so before we get started I just wanna say that these aren't necessarily canon to my nextgen "LCV" nor will some make sense, this is just what I believe deep down.

Emmet's a biromantic (with a preference for girls), gray-asexual, polyamorous GNC cis man (he/they). They're in poly marriage with Rex and Wyldstyle!

He knew he was gray-ace for a pretty long time, but had no clue he was also bi and poly till Rex (quite literally) crashed into his and Lucy's life. Ems uses masc, fem, and neutral terms Interchangeable, so you'll often hear Rex and Lucy refer to them as their wife or spouse.

Rex's a polyamorous, demi-bisexual, GNC Trans man (he/they/xe). Xe's in poly marriage with Wyldstyle and Emmet!

I don't know why I HC Emmet as cis but Rex as trans but I do. Their just trans okay man??? Like his husband, Rex had no clue he was bi until he met them. Unlike his husband, it took him a while to realize and except that. Rex only uses masc terms. The Xe/xem pronouns are only to be use by xir family and very close friends.

Wyldstyle's a bisexual polyamorous demi-girl (she/fae/they). Fae's in a poly marriage with Emmet and Rex!

Okay I'll be honest, this HC is just me protecting (minus they poly part, I don't think I'm poly). Lucy had herself all figured out before the first movie even happened. Fae mostly uses she/fae, but loves when people use they/them too.

Unikitty's Asexual, panromanitc, and Gender Queer (she/they/sprinkle). Sprinkle's a single Pringle!

I go back and forth between this HC, her being aroace, and a lesbian. But this is my favorite right now.

Sweet Mayhem's bisexual (with a preference for girls), polyamorous, trans fem, and bigender (she/star/they). Star's dating Rose(OC) and Benny!

Feel like I'm the only one who headcanons her as bi and not a lesbian. They're both NB and a girl btw.

Benny's a pansexual, polyamorous, cis man (he/him). He's Dating Mayhem, Lenny, and queer platonic partners with Rose(OC)!

Pan Benny > gay Benny

Queen Watevra Wa'Nabi is omnisexual and gender fluid (all pronouns). She's married to Batman!

Queen's gender is as fluid as their body. He's known that since he was born. I might change them to pan idk.

Batman's a Heteroflexible cis man (he/him). He's married to Queen!

I don't see Batman as bi but he definitely isn't fully straight. He likes girls but still thinks Queen's hot even if they aren't a gal that day. Also I just don't ship him with joker lol.

Badcop is aromantic asexual and agender (he/it). It's single!

Triple A BC my beloved. I actually do have some ships for him, but those are for random side AUs and nothing actually important lol. Might end up making it in a QPR with Larry the barista idk. BC just doesn't have time for romance, he's to busy dealing with Rex's bs.

Vitruvius is an aromantic cis man (he/him). He's single!

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Vitruvius is our aro grandpa.

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So those are my gay legos! I'd add more but Tumblr won't let me :(

These HCs may change in the future.

[strangestcase]

Genuine question, which jokers do you think are the most well written. I’m just getting into Batman and it’d be nice to hear a perspective that recognizes particular nuance due to a certain amount of insight that comes with being queer

Okay!

Disclaimer: I don’t read comics. I’m a fake fan. /hj but seriously I haven’t read many Batman comics (yet) so I’ll try to just... sum it up v quickly, with my (somewhat limited) opinions on th matter:

-Lego Batman Movie: personally the best Joker. Well written, very VERY queer coded, and light hearted, but still evil. I love his design. This Joker is the Joker that has rescued the trope of the queer coded villain but this time in a more positive light. He’s a trickster, and we’re supposed to be annoyed at him, not scared of him. Annoyed in a cute endearing way. Otherwise I’d say this Joker is written to be a caricature of the OG character in a way that children can understand, so the movie didn’t try to be overly convoluted about his relationship with Batman, and they just straight up said, yup it’s gay

-Dark Night: While the queer coding (and the humor, mostly) is a bit lost in translation, all the “Batman completes me fuhuhuhu” moments are a very good summary of what makes the character such a great villain. Also he’s TERRIFYING. Great acting (RIP Heath Ledger) and great writing. If you want a more serious, less clownish take on the Joker, this one makes it right.

-Killing Joke: very very edgy and fucked up, but also a very good character study. The point of the Joker is that he doesn’t have a meaningful backstory- he’s just a murder clown. His backstory just happened to him. And the Killing Joke makes a very good job at exploiting it. Does h even remember it? did it even happen? unreliable narrator, flashbacks, monologues- it’s a very good Joker. Otherwise the story is a bit meh (and it fridged Barbara, boo!). Read the comic- the movie adaptation sucks ass.

-any animated jokers, really, will be VERY well written, mostly because animation is (wrongly) seen as child only media. Animated jokers don’t rely on murder so much to be scary, to the point they’re even WORSE, which is pretty good in my opinion. any joker voiced by Mark Hamill is going to be a treat. Check out the Batman animated series Joker, who is a piece of shit in every conceivable way and freezes his victims with neurotoxin, or the 2004 Matsuda show Joker, who is literally a feral clown.

-the Lego DC supervillains game Joker is also very fun, and a wonderful tribute to the character’s history too. And he’s semi-decent to Harley which is pretty sweet. Also voiced by Mark Hamill! meanwhile the TellTale Games Joker is... Well, a VERY canon divergent take on the character, but he’s super interesting, offers a neat spin on the concept of the Joker, and is very very very gay for Bruce.

-1966 Show Joker. Yes, this Joker is, while dangerous in-universe, a comedic character, but bear with me. When your shitty tv show makes the Riddler (who at the time was a bottom of the barrel D-lister) be cooler and scarier than the Joker, you know theyre doing something right- which doesn’t mean Romero’s mustached joker isn’t also scary. His laugh is very haunting and overall? I like the idea of the Joker as a trickster type villain that constantly tries new crimes just because he’s bored.

-Arkhamaniacs: this comic is adorable and super sweet, so give it a try. A young bruce Wayne lives with his parents opposite an apartment building called Arkham. Bruce admires its inhabitants colorful clothes and eccentric lifestyle, and the most colorful of them all, a mysterious smiling man in a purple suit, teaches little Bruce the wonders of friendship and imagination and being extremely gay. no, really, a popular reading of the book is that Arkham is a queer housing project and Bruce is a closeted little kid. this Joker is funny as hell, weird as hell, and very very wholesome at times. Hell, he’s friends with all the other villains for once. And Jonathan changes his name to Steve.

[roguish-gallery]

Did you ever make that joker tier list, I always like seeing what people think of all the different ones. Though if they put Romero last I can no longer respect them.

LMAO I DID! I think I’ve made it kind of obvious in this blog but I... don’t... particularly... care... for... the joker.... unless he’s, y’know, fun to watch. Cause he’s a clown, and clowns are supposed to be entertaining. But since you politely brought it up, and and because I have a deep respect for mutual Romero-lovers, I guess this would be a good time to explain my rankings and just discuss my general thoughts on each clown:

General Thoughts:

For the most part, I don’t really care for the Joker. This is hardly an uncommon opinion here on tumblr, but I definitely fall on the side of the fandom that feels that he gets too much attention from DC. I get WHY they use him so often for films and comics, and I don’t have anything against *most* folks who consider them their favorite Batman villain, but at this point he’s used more for shock value and as a crutch instead of anything interesting. Like, instead of giving attention to the other Rogues, writers (at least for the comics) will try and make up some bullshit story that they can shoehorn the Joker into, ‘cause it sells. It’s tiring, and I feel like the character has lost his meaning; I can only read so many stories about the Joker, I don’t fucking know, wearing a suit made from dead babies and Jason Todd’s flayed corpse before I get sick of it.

I’m at the point where I’ll like any Joker who’s just fun to watch. I genuinely respect those who prefer darker interpretations of the character, but that isn’t me; I vastly prefer the lighthearted takes on him, because... at this point... writers who use the “cleaner” version of him tend to be more creative, since they actually have to write a Joker story that doesn’t rely on gore/torture porn.

TIER ONE:

Joker Baby: Self explanatory. Joker Baby is thematic, thoughtful, and intense. Everytime I watch this video, I shiver with fear and pleasure; something primal in me awakens whenever Joker Baby runs his fingers through his spray-on dyed hair, and ends up smearing green paint on his forehead- it represents the inner turmoil, the chaos, that resides within the disturbed body that is Joker Baby. Nothing can ever hope to top the artistic and cultural impact Joker Baby has had on society.

TIER TWO:

Batman Ninja: I genuinely believe that Batman Ninja is one of the most fun, organic, and creative things to come out from the Batman side of DC comics in like... hmmm... a decade, maybe (I could talk for hours about how much I love this movie but that’s something for a future post). This Joker is easily, and unironically my favorite interpretation of the character, period. I love his energy, his design, everything. This is the most fun I’ve ever had watching a Joker on-screen, and for that I’ve gotta give the film credit where it is due.

Batman ‘66: I looooove Caesar Romero. Batman ‘66 in general is one of my favorite pieces of Batman media, and I absolutely adore this Joker. The show is pure, genuine fun, and it’s nice to turn my brain off and watch a show where the entire cast was allowed to goof around. This Joker is just a cute, goofy little clown-man who likes to commit crimes, go surfing, turn Gotham’s water reserve into gelatin, and have wild orgies with Penguin, Catwoman, and the Riddler. I massively appreciate the hustle. I love his little mustache and his facial expressions. I’d give him a chaste little kiss on the cheek if I could.

The Batman: EXTREMELY CONTROVERSIAL TAKE BUT. I think TB!Joker is better than what people will give him credit for. I can only imagine how stressful it must have been to be the first Batman cartoon to follow BTAS and the writers for this show knew they were gonna be fucked no matter what they did with the Joker, so they just decided to try something completely different with him. Personally, I appreciate the new direction- he has a fun, unhinged energy. I’ve placed him higher than BTAS/BTNA!Joker simply because The Batman was the show that got me into the Rogues in the first place, and I’m just a bit closer to this Joker because of it. Also his vampire form was cool as FUCK in Batman Vs. Dracula and the scene where he gets drenched in blood at a blood bank is fucking awesome.

Batman the Animated Series/The New Adventures: Everyone loves BTAS’s Joker, and I’m no exception. Mark Hamill is fucking great, and the writers clearly knew the character well enough to create a version of him that can be fun and threatening. As an aside, I unironically like his redesign in BTNA- I remember Hamill mentioning somewhere that he thought it was neat that this Joker looked more like a shark (I’ll see if I can find a source on that... I think he said it in an interview with Kevin Smith?) and I kinda agree with him. the redesigns in the final season are hit or miss, but I didn’t get why so many people bitched about the Joker’s new look.

Batman Unlimited: Hear me out... Hear me out... Clown... funny... and cute... He wears a little crown and gives Solomon Grundy a little smooch on the cheek and it is as delightful as it sounds. Yes the Batman Unlimited films literally only exist to sell toys but that doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy them on some ironic level.

TIER THREE:

Lego Batman: He’s a gay icon. He has the range. Enough said.

White Knight: This is just a genuinely good, original take on the character, and the art in White Knight is absolutely gorgeous. 

Arkham: My friends and I joke that this Joker is basically a more unhinged version of BTAS! Joker and... yeah. I’m glad Hamill and Paul Dini got to fuck around with the character more, but I never really dwelled on the Joker parts of the games like I might have for other characters. I definitely liked him the most in Arkham Asylum, as he was more fun to watch. Arkham City was fiiiiine, but I think I replayed the game so much that I kinda got fatigued with everything about it. Genuinely hated his part in Origins, and I was pissed that he stole the attention from Black Mask and Bane (who’s the best fucking part of Origins IMO). I’ll admit that I... Haven’t... played... Knight yet (I have it on PC but my laptop is too wimpy to run it) but like... He’s dead at that point, so I’d assume he isn’t the main point of that game anyway. I love Mark Hamill and the fact I can personally beat the shit out of this Joker, so he’s ranked up pretty high for those reasons.

TIER FOUR:

Batman ‘89: TBH this Joker should be a rank higher, but I’m too lazy to hop onto PicsArt to change it. NIcholson was an excellent choice, and I apprecaite how this Joker makes use of the playful and unhinged aspects of the character. Also, his outfits are cute, and I love the museum scene.

Brave and the Bold: Technically this Joker SHOULD be ranked higher since he’s literally based on the more lighthearted comics in the 60′s but... ehhh... I haven’t really watched BATB so I don’t have any strong opinions on the show and how it handles the character. he’s ranked this high through beause I appreciate what they were going for.

Golden Age: The quality of comics are always subjective, based on the creative team behind them. Some I’ll like more, others less so, It’s kind of hard to rank the pre-52 comic version of the Joker because of this.

TIER FIVE:

Killing Joke: Read it, didn’t care for it. I acknowledge how massive the impact this comic had on... everything, but just because I recognize how important this graphic novel is, doesn’t mean I have to like it.

The Dark Knight: Ledger did an excellent job with the role, but uhh... I’m kind of sick of the alt-right chuds who are out there sucking this Joker’s dick. The fanbase definitely ruined the character for me.

TIER SIX:

99′: Eh

Endgame: No

Suicide Squad: NO

Death of the Family: Hate him. Despise him. Lame stupid dumb little edgy bitch.

Gotham (Jeremiah): I don’t particulary care for Gotham in general, but the only reason I ranked this Joker over Jerome is beause I thought it was kinda funny to see that they made him a little rat-man, and I liked watching all the fujoshi on here cry and complain that they can’t ship this version of the joker with the pre-pubescent Bruce Wayne in the show bc he’s too ugly.

Gotham (Jerome): stop shippping this freak (who is fucking eighteen years old) with a literal twelve year old child. what the FUCK is wrong with yall.

UNRANKED:

The Joker (2019): I don’t plan on watching this film, nor will I ever. I know this is ironic, coming from someone who runs a Rogue blog, but stuff that focuses primarily on a character’s deteriorating mental health makes me reaaaaallllllyyyyy anxious (it’s kind of a phobia) and considering that I don’t particularly the Joker, I have no reason to watch something I know will only give my dumb ADHD-ass intrusive throughts.

[ikessorens]

ok im gonna post my hopes/what im excited + explanations for nintendo in 2020 bc i have no one to share them with!

what im excited for

Hatsune Miku Mega Mix - oh boy i love rhythm games and i love vocaloid this game is gonna be great but only if its reasonably priced

Animal Crossing - no explanation needed who isnt excited for this game

BOTW 2!!!!!!!!!!!! - again, no explanation needed. botw is one of my favorite games of all time and is the game that got me back into gaming. SUPER hyped for the sequel

Gods and Monsters - im a classics major so the idea of an open-world game in ancient greece makes me so happy. it could be great if done right but we havent seen any gameplay so we’ll see

LEGO Skywalker Saga - what can i say im a HUGE slut for star wars and its p much an open world star wars game that i can play on switch. also lego games are so fun and lego harry potter was my first game EVER so i have a lot of nostalgia for lego games

Fairy Tail JRPG - the weeb in me is jumping out. i love rpgs and fairy tail was the first anime i ever watched when i was in middle school. so im low key hyped for the game again bc of nostalgia

Ultimate ninja storm 4 - naruto is my favorite anime ever and we get vote2 in this game. naruto and sasuke sacrificed their arms for gay rights

Hollow Knight Silksong!! - GOD I LOVE HOLLOW KNIGHT. first indie that i really fell in love with and im obsessed with it. silksong is gonna be great

OCTOPATH TRAVELER… 2! - i LOVE the first octopath. and yeah nothing official has been announced yet for octo 2 BUT they have said that theyre working on a sequel and i couldnt be more excited

witchbrook - STARDEW BUT ITS WITCHES

Switch games i want

Ace attorney 4-6 PLUS a new AA game - i love AA,, please let me play the rest of the games on my switch and PLEASe give us a new game. also #phoenixwrightforsmash

Tellius remasters/remakes - fe9 and 10 are my favorite FE games ever i literally love them so much and want a remaster so bad!! altho i have mixed feelings bc i really really worry that if they remake/remaster it that theyll straight wash ike and take out all of the gay coding from his character esp everything with him and soren (who is my all-time favorite fe character). so Big Fear there but id love a faithful remake/remaster since its maybe my favorite game of all time. 

Judgral remakes - ive never played these games but the characters look incredibly charming and i want to play them so bad. i know that theyll probably do either one or the other but not both for the fe remakes and i am sooooo split on which i want more i want them both so bad

Super mario galaxy 3 - no explanation needed, smg is one of the best games ever and was one of the first games i played and im dying for another game in the series

Persona 5 - i want to play it so bad... we have joker in smash and p5 scramble... why not p5

Batman Arkham games - i love batman PLEASE put these games on switch so i dont have to dust off my wii u every time i want to play them

Kingdom hearts - never played them but GOD i want to this series is on crack fr

Okamiden - i love okami and the ds sequel is ADORABLE let me play it on switch

red dead - the inherit homoeroticism of cowboys.. let me have it

ok im sure im forgetting some but this is everything im excited for/want to happen please come talk to me about them

[damisnap]

YO THE JOKER IS REALLY FUCKING GAY??? OH MY GOD???? LEGO BATMAN REALLY SAID GAY RIGHTS HUH

[gaymerkittycat]

years ago I saw the lego batman movie in theaters when it first came out and I had a great time. I wasn't as smart as I am right now but there was something really obvious that even I could notice about batman and joker in that movie, they are obviously intended to be gay. at the end of the movie they lean into eachother's faces like they're about to kiss and both say I hate you. this one kid, probably five years old says "they meant I love you" then they giggled and their parents said nothing. it's great to know that there's kids that small who understand what being gay is and know that it's not a bad thing. thinking about it makes me kind of emotional knowing how far people have come

[queermalevilliany]

Conclusion

With all that being said, there is the question of what actual queer characters are there in film and television.

According to The Changing Face of Gay Representation in Hollywood Films from the 1990s Onwards: What's Really Changed in the Hollywood Representation of Gay Characters? by Sarah Baker, "While Hollywood stars and production companies have been active and outspoken in support of gay rights and gay marriage, GLAAD (2013) noted that of the 101 major studio releases in 2012, only 14 contained characters identified as lesbian, gay or bisexual and there were no films containing transgender characters."

While I am positive this number has gone up in recent years, the issue in the present media is not necessarily the number of queer characters in our media, but how they are being represented.

Typically, if they are not villains, queer characters will not be the main characters of films and television shows and will simply be side characters that are there to quip sassy remarks (for comedic effect) to push the main protagonist to continue the story in some way.

If queer romance is the main focus of the story, then usually the story will end in tragedy with unrequited love or even death. Additionally, queer characters will usually exhibit distress and self-hatred in regards to their queerness.

While there definitely has been progress for queer representation in media, it does not mean that all modern media is perfect. We need to continue to critically consume the films and television shows we view and be able to recognize when they may be falling into the same dangerous tropes about queer people.

So, what should we advocate for in media?

I want to bring up the movie that helped me come up with this project in the first place: The Lego Batman Movie (2017).

While it is a children's movie, the movie discusses many of the issues of hegemonic masculinity.

Batman, who is usually portrayed as a totem of masculinity, is instead shown to be an emotionally stunted man child due to his obsession with being "manly." He finds himself to be alone and lonely despite his superhero status because he always pushes others away.

This includes Joker, Batman's archnemesis. Although in this movie, Batman refuses to say that he and Joker have that special relationship of archnemeses.

From this clip alone, you can see that the movie attempts to portray Batman and Joker's enemy relationship as a symbolism for a romantic one. Joker thinks what he and Batman have is special, but Batman refuses to see that, saying that no one means anything to him. This scene, which is from the beginning of the movie, sets up Batman as an "antagonist" because of his refusal to acknowledge the special people in his life.

The Lego Batman Movie becomes a movie where instead of Joker simply being the queer-coded bad guy, it is actually Batman who is the ultimate bad guy because he gets caught up in the ideals of hegemonic masculinity. The entire movie revolves around Batman unlearning these scripts and learning how to let people in his life.

By the end of the movie, Batman and Joker have to work together to save Gotham City. This puts Joker in a positive light. Instead of being your typical queer-coded villain who brings chaos and corruption, he is a hero. Furthermore, both Batman and Joker are queer-coded in this movie due to their archnemesis relationship being a metaphor for an actual relationship as they tell each other, "I hate you," lovingly in replacement for the usual "I love you"s.

I think that this movie shows a possible positive future for queer-coding in media, especially in children's programs. Queer-coding is not something that has to be negative. It can be positive like in The Lego Batman Movie, where the queer-coded characters are heroes and queer-coded relationships are appreciated.

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[nanshe-of-nina]

People of the Edwardian phase of the Hundred Years War as dril tweets

Philippe VI de France: Time and time Again. People on here Fuck me over and ruin my life. simply for starting the Dialouge.

Edward III of England: thinking of wrapping my entire body in barbed wire and becoming Sovereign.

Jehan II de France: a teen approached me at the food court and said “I see you wore your clown costume today” and i spent the next 9 hours processing the insult.

Jehanne de Bourgogne: CHILD: Papa.. tell me once more about WIFE’s DUTY. PAPA: it is WIFE’s DUTY to protect her husband from villains, always.

Jitka Lucemburská: Damn. the MomTown forums just started requiring 4 point Mom Verificaiton to be able to post there for some reason..anyone got a work around?

Philippa de Hainaut: my opinion on politics: my opinion on politics is that politidcs is extremely good, but sometimes it is bad.

Ludwig IV, Holy Roman Emperor: bigmouth fake priest telling me to “drink a shitload of holy water and kill yourself” as penance? this has happened at three churches now.

Pope Benedict XII: it is with a heavy heart that i must announce that the celebs are at it again.

Jehan III, duc de Bretagne: i just left an enormous pile of vomit behind golds gym for all of you abominable pig clowns to pick at #blackfridaydeals

Robert III d’Artois: (in really quiet, barely audible voice) hope your dick falls of bitch.

Hugues Quiéret: currently employed as Water Guru at the beach. it’s sort of like being a lifeguard except i have no inclination to touch the drowning people.

Geoffroy d’Harcourt: OH im so Fucking sorry “Your Majesty”, i didnt realize that dick rings were banished in this dystopian piss earth. Ur probably a 9gag poster.

Jacob van Artevelde: (in highly rational and cool voice) i have the higher follower count than them. i wiont let them undermine me.

Pope Clement VI: may the wind carry my tweets and soothte the sick, the wounded, the downtrodden of both man & beast, across the savage shit earth of trolls,

Jehanne de Valois, comtesse de Hainaut: startling how im the only person on this site with an actual human soul. you would think the other guys on here have one, but no.

Eudes IV, duc de Bourgogne: myth: making me mad is cool FACT: making me mad is a crap move& people who do it are all sociopathivc criminals with fucked up rotten brains.

Jehan de Montfort: turning my headlights off when driving at night,.. so that my Rivals cannot see me.

Jehanne de Flandre: i just want to find the optimal bra for sniper operations, but everoyne here is so rude, and pieces of shit.

Johann der Blinde of Bohemia: Q: If your post was proven by a counsil of wise men to be racist, or bullshit, would you bar it from the record? A: I do not delete my posts.

Charles II, comte d’Alençon: ((SPILLING BLOOD ALL OVER KEYBOARD) THIS IS WHAT U WANT. THIS IS WHAT U FUCKING BASTARDS WANT RIGHT (1 WEEK LATER) WHY ARE THE KEYS STICKING

Jehanne de Clisson: as far as im concerned the best revenge is ordering wolf piss online & pouring it into soneones car. “living well” is too hard.

Arnaud de Cervole: i will raze every forest and devour each city in blood tribute for the crime of 9/11!! please nbring back blue collar TV

Frank Hennequin: the jduge orders me to take off my anonymous v mask & im wearing the joker makeup underneath it. everyone in the courtroom groans at my shit.

William Montagu, 1st Earl of Salisbury: im at the point in my life where i cant relate to any popular fictional characters unless they use massive amounts of hair gel and steriods.

Antonio Doria: my name is Destyn. i build crossbows and sell weed to all your dads and im 15.

Gautier VI de Brienne: MYTH: my posts are for the Pauper REALITY: my posts are for the Prince.

Étienne Marcel: looked at a newspaper today. looks like we’re getting taxed out the wazoo, with this president. anyone else see this shit? tax out the wazoo.

Guillaume Cale: “FEAR IS USED 2 ENSLAVE THE MASSES,” I SAID AS I RIPPED THE FUCKIN DECORATIVE CARDBOARD SKELETON OFF OF THE COMMUNITY CENTERS BULLETIN BOARD

Edward Montagu, 1st Baron Montagu: girls always love to telling people not to“ Mansplain” but they do not care of, “Man's Pain”

Louis Iᵉʳ, comte de Flandre: 1) i do not owe you mother fuckers a damn thing 2) i will not hear any more questions or comments unless they pertain to MetroPCS, or Pepsi.

Philippe III de Navarre: the crusaders fire ballistas into my throbbing diaper- unlesashing a torrent of mustard yellow shit and poisoning the entire village.

Gaston II, comte de Foix: i am going to plunge a sword into our bed and officially end outr 40 yr marriage if you do not stop yelling while i am recording my stream’s.

Henry de Grosmont, 1st Duke of Lancaster: please help my cousin “Bruno_THought_Leader” who just had his account suspended for threatening to “Fuck” brexit.

Robert Le Coq, Bishop of Laon: i have absolutely zero interest in friendship, i have absolutely zero interest in jokes, i am simply here to collect data and earn respect.

Jehan Iᵉʳ, comte d’Armagnac: the joke is on you fuck face. i actually love getting screamed at and publicly shamed for my dumb-assed bull shit . I love apologizing.

Bardi and Peruzzi families: boy oh boy do i love purchasing large amounnts of Fool’s Gold. wait a minute... fools gold fucking sucks. this stuff is no good..!! Fuck !!!

Jehanne II de Navarre: i regret being tasked the emotional burden of maintaining the final bastion of morality and NIce manners in this endless ocean of human SHIT.

William de Bohun, 1st Earl of Northampton: if you have less than 1000 followers i can guarantee you that me and the boys share your posts in vip chat rooms and call you a "Muthafucka”.

William de la Pole: thinking about getting the dow jones back on track, simply by making a few phonecalls. but certain people have been a bitch to me, so i wont.

Thomas de Beauchamp, 11th Earl of Warwick: shutting computer down until the shitty moods & attitudes can fuck off., if you need me ill be on my other computer, sititng 60° to my right.

Thomas Holland, 1st Earl of Kent: ive heard from a reliable source that people arre putting their lips on to my girl friends avatars and going “muah muah muah.” cut it out.

Raoul II de Brienne, comte d’Eu: hate it when my boss knocks out the front leg of my desk with a baseball bat and funko pop lego shit flies every where.

Karel IV, Holy Roman Emperor: “RESULT You are the Serpant. YOu dislike loud places and people are constantly putting drama in your life. But you’re strong.” This is true.

Charles de Blois-Châtillon: torturing my damn dick with corn cob holders in Penance for the foul tone i took with the subway corporation today.

Jehanne de Penthièvre: i help every body, im not racist, i keep myself nice, and when i ask for a single re-tweet in return i am told to fuck off, fuck myself, etc.

Jacques Iᵉʳ de Bourbon, comte de La Marche: “ah boo hoo hoo i want to post Foul comments to content leaders” Fat Chance, Dimwit. I will annihilate you under bulwark of the Law and God.

John Chandos: DOCTOR: you cant keep doing this to yourself. being The Last True Good Boy online will destroy you. you must stop posting with honor ME: No,

Jehan d’Artos, comte d’Eu: , who had gone missing for 17 years and was presumed dead after failing to return from his ultimate dumpster diving life quest

William Douglas, 1st Earl of Douglas: i get emails. i get emails saying the trolls have won, and that i should bow to them, since i have lost the battle. to this i say FAT-CHANCE.

David II of Scotland: “jail isnt real,” i assure myself as i close my eyes and ram the hallmark gift shop with my shitty bronco.

Charles de La Cerda: i think that turning myself Gay in the summer of 2013 would really impress my overseas investors.

William de Montagu, 2nd Earl of Salisbury: my watch beeps whwich means its time to stand in front of my ex-wife’s house and play “Hit THe Road Jack” while dacning and licking her mail.

Edward the Black Prince: IF THE ZOO BANS ME FOR HOLLERING AT THE ANIMALS I WILL FACE GOD AND WALK BACKWARDS INTO HELL

Jehan III de Grailly: its fucked up how there are like 1000 christmas songs but only 1 song aboutr the boys being back in town.

Louis II, comte de Flandre: U Have Forced Me To Take Extreme Measures To Protect My Business And My Lifestyle.

Blanche de Navarre: the wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke “theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. you imbecile. you fucking moron”

Charles II de Navarre: Sovereign Citizens Getting Owned Compilation

Philippe de Navarre: shooting off automatic rifles making horrible diarrhea shit noises as the recoil makes my tiny dick flop around. hell yeah. thats cool to me.

Charles, Dauphin de Viennois: surprise, dad. while you were witnessing the pennsylvania state lottery i tried on all your work gloves and they looked very handsome on me.

[hollow-kitsune]

okay, but it got my straight normie girl friends to watch this movie with me on our girls night instead of our usual comedy romance (yes I know we are basic) and all three of them lost it when Batman told Joker he “doesn’t have A bad guy”. In all my time watching romance movies with them and them getting really invested in in the romance™, I have never seen all three of them SCREAM at the screen in joy as much as they did when Bruce told Joker he “hates” him back. And two of them were the same people that told me that Joker and Harley are “relationship goals” after Suicide Squad. So yeah, Lego Batman said gay rights and makes straight white girls scream “HELL YEAH” right back.

TL;DR: Lego Batman made my normie friends ship BatJokes and that is why these articles are the funniest shit to me.

what a time to be alive

[zombiejette]

Lego Trash Rambles

listen, I really like the idea that lego joker and harley are platonic gay bffs. but I also headcanon that when they first met in this universe, joker had a mega huge super crush on her. he was all smitten and blown away by this cute smart af arkham psychiatrist, staying put longer than ever just so he could figure out how to get himself a session with her.

finally, he does.

they actually have a great meeting, full of their usual chemistry, and literally he just opens up to her without another thought. no tricks, no malice, no head games, just honesty. and she’s all like ‘whoa everyone always told me joker was like the bad guy, and maybe this is all a clever ruse, but.... something tells me.... it’s not??’ so they develop this deep patient-doctor relationship and keep bonding, but eventually he does break out again.  of course, he gets into deep trouble, not even batman-related, and she hears word of it. not that she’s been keeping special tabs on him or anything, how unprofessional would that be? ahahaa ironically, she has been getting more and more interested in this idea of moonlighting as a super criminal to better understand her patients, so why not tonight? hasty decision made, she rushes to the joker’s aid as harley quinn for the first time, kicks some butt, and then helps an injured mr j back to his hideout where he’s just shook like ‘fuckin calm down heart, you can’t afford an attack right now’. once he’s healing, they hang out all night and talk some more, maybe play some video games, and suspend all their usual titles for the first time in a long time, really just connecting. j asks finally why she even came out tonight, all dolled up in crime, and she tells him her reasons, sort of embarrassed with how it all sounds out loud.

“it’s pretty stupid of me, huh? I mean, I could’ve easily died...” “no no harl! not stupid.... risky, sure... but you said you did it.... //// for me?” “uh well not... I mean... yes, I heard you were in trouble... and so that was to save you... or help you... or... uh....”

“no one’s.... ever come to my rescue before...”

she meets his honest confession with a pure sunshine smile and that’s when he knows, hoo boy, mr j you did actually die tonight. alert gotham, alert batman, the clown is finally slain. he doesn’t return to arkham that time, but she continues to moonlight as harley quinn, usually with him, or to assist him, because he does know what he’s doing and can offer her the most guidance and protection as a novice. plus, friendship. after a while, it’s clear to her that her talents lie more in this world than a clinical one, and she finally converts full time to joker’s no. 2.   not too long after making the switch, mr j, ecstatic and overwhelmed with her moving in, ramps up his flirtations full force. harley is at first amused, not sure whether he’s serious or it’s just him being him. eventually though, he legit makes a move, and she finds herself reciprocating. they become friends with benefits for a long time, and don’t necessarily deny the boyfriend/girlfriend title, but aren’t really set in it either.   however, once harley’s interactions with ivy become much more intimate than just the occasional run in or gal pal hangout, it’s clear to her that she’s really better as bffs with joker than as lovers, and it tears her up for a long while trying to figure out how to tell him. she also knew he’s had it really bad for bats this whole time, and has never blamed him, but feels maybe that is worth pursuing more? eventually she sits him down and has a talk, the most terrified she’s ever been in her life. joker can see how freaked out she is about hurting him and that actually makes everything a lot easier to take, because they’re still so important to each other regardless of romance. he’s like “harl, no, don’t cry it’s ok monkey-face, we can just be platonic if you want? like I won’t lie, I’ll miss kissing that mug, but I don’t want you to feel bad about things for me. im still your boo-boo.” and she just crumbles in his hug. literally me too, we don’t deserve gay lego joker you guys

happily, the switch back was really easy for them to make, and sure, they lapse and will still share the occasional kiss or ass slap, because, come on. look at them. but really, it was such a good decision for them both that nothing was really ever awkward. to this day, they’re still the gayest of friends, and the best dynamic duo in crime. and that’s the story of how my weak heart just wants joker to be really good and respectful to harley, his one and only psycho circus princess.