#LP Lucas&Athy&Lucas

[lithi]

Never seen before WMMAP art!

[jeweled-blue-eyes]

Lucas's dislike for Jennette would be interesting to explore if the reason wasn't because she was the second female lead but because she was a child that was created non consensually with mana stolen from him when he was asleep by the man he rejected (as in metaphorical rape). His hatred for her would be rooted in self hatred. Jennette is something powerful and terrifying, something that should be feared and rejected by society (just like him), both were conceived unnaturally from magic (manhwa lucas is implied to have been sired by the world tree), Jennette was raised by a white haired man who refused to become her family and never made her feel like she belonged (just like him and Gisil), they formed an attachment to a father figure (Caelum, Claude), possibly felt jealousy towards the true child of the father figure (Aeternitas, Athy) and ruined their parent/child relationship.

The difference is that Jennette still clings stubbornly onto her dream of a family, never embraced her "true" nature or put herself above those that were less powerful than her. And this must be incomprehensible to Lucas. Lucas was rejected by the people he loved because of his magic. He looks down on those with less mana than him because he might've begun to tell himself the opinion of those weaker than him didn't matter. They were ants in comparision to him who was basically a demi-god. It would be a nice parallel if Jennette and Lucas both tried to find comfort in a narrative they have constructed for themselves. They are forced into the roles of the lovely princess and wizard hermit respectively through external factors. The difference is that Jennette broke out of her role first in this life.

[sharper-than-a-serpents-tooth]

the fandom always talks about how Athy is like Diana or Claude, but why are we never considering how Athy may have took after the people who actually raised Athy instead of her mother who died before her birth and her father who wanted to know nothing of her? Doesn't lp Athy's introversion and reserved personality remind more of Lily? LP Athy doesn't have a partner during her debutante, and while yes, she was an unfavoured princess she was still a princess, the only known heir to the Obelian throne so far. She should have been able to find a partner even if she wasn't exceptionally beautiful or smart, just because her father's bloodline would excuse ever other fault in her. I think lp Athy became deeply introverted and disliked big crowds. She may have found it difficult to interact with men since she was raised by women alone and her nanny seldomly felt comfortable around the other sex. I can imagine lp Athy hiding behind pillars and watching others from afar like Lily once had done when her father had forced her to accompany him to public gatherings and expected her to entertain men. Even in wmmap Athy was sticking to Felix and using him as a shield standing between herself and the guests. She was hesitating to approach the other boys and girls her age and didn't start a conversation with them until Felix shoved her forward and disappeared into the background.

Athy already finds a tea party with a few girls draining enough and has to excuse herself to recover from the exhaustion, which points towards an introverted personality more than the extraverted one that is often mistakenly assigned to her because of her resemblance to Diana. She prefers a small circle of friends (Lucas and Jennette). Another similarity she shares with Lilian is that Athy rejects marriage and decides to devote herself to her family. She values her platonic/familial bonds over romance. LP Athy never had a fiance or husband and the fact that wmmap Athy, who unlike lp Athy is very popular, doesn't have one either points more towards both Athys being solo by choice rather than force. I like the headcanon that Athy is biromantic demisexual/sapphic asexual like Lily. The scene where Athy notes the sculptures of the concubines look attractive and the way she keeps fawning over Jennette's beauty leaves room to interpret that Athy could be attracted to women as well. A popular hc is that Lilian had been in love with Diana. I think it'd be cool if Lily and Athy shared the same orientation and had someone to talk with about without fearing to be judged harshly.

[sylver-drawer]

I want to remind everyone that Jennette and Ijekiel’s relationship in the novel never improves. Ijekiel may have ‘moved on’, but it wasn’t really of his own accord—it’s because Athy literally encouraged him to go with Jennette (which I’ve already mentioned whose encouragement stems from her rose-tinted glasses of dehumanizing both Ijekiel and Jennette). Jennette, whose feelings and psyche we’ve delved into multiple times throughout the novel, hates Ijekiel’s falsity the most. She may be afraid of his anger and frustration, but that’s because it would be so foreign to her—but at the same time, it would be relief because at the very least it means it’s Ijekiel finally laying his feelings bare to her. But Ijekiel made it clear to her during his rejection that he has no intention to ever be genuine to her—that he will keep up his mask, monitor his emotions closely while still spitting out cruel words as if he were angry, though he dare not present so. That’s what scares her most, and what she despises terribly.

So the novel ends with Jennette exiled to outside of Obelia, waking up after attempting to off herself with her magic, alone with the man who just conveyed to her that he will never be genuine or truthful with her. In Ijekiel’s side, the woman he loved just told him to go with Jennette—who he has SO much unpacked baggage with already, being that he never saw or acknowledged Jennette as a woman (not romantically, I’m saying he constantly views her as a child despite her being an adult and having multiple enigmas, personal conflict, and growth through the years), still and will always view her as someone who will chase after him and ignore his feelings or opinions (which stems from an image he himself wanted to uphold, Jennette always wanted him to give his true opinions and gave him PLENTY of times to reject her and her requests), and overall just has so much pent up feelings and resentment for Jennette for little things throughout his childhood that’s too much to resolve without a proper heart-to-heart with Jennette—which he already resolved to never doing.

Which ends the novel with both of them at basically their most uncomfortable, stuck with the person they very much never want to be around. It’s hell. It’s gonna be hell. They’re practically strangers—people who’ve been around each other for nearly two decades, but don’t know the first thing about the other. And now it’s extremely awkward because of their fight, and the line Ijekiel drew that because of Jennette’s extremely fragile mental state, will force Ijekiel to have to be the first one to reach out. And he won’t. Because he’s not used to reaching out, especially to Jennette of all people (as Jennette’s always been the one to try and reach out, and he’s always been the one to put up a mask and comply even if he truly wishes not to).

And we know this is true, because Athy and Lucas literally talk about it at the end of the LP sidestories. After Athy comes back from her LP adventure, she decides to take a trip and visit Jennette and Ijekiel—and Lucas states something along the lines of how they don’t even meet eachother’s eyes (Athy takes it as both of them not dating, which I’m completely confused about, and chalk it up to Plutus forcing a pairing somewhat, as when we last saw them they couldn’t even be called friends). When Athy and Jennette exchange letters, there is no mention of Jennette and Ijekiel’s relationship. Athy even remarks that, before Jennette started exchanging letters, her letters with Ijekiel were mostly of Jennette’s condition because (she) was worried about her (not that Ijekiel talks about Jennette on his own, Athy has to inquire about Jennette—which was also what Ijekiel was jealous of right before his rejection of Jennette, that Athy only seemed to love and ask about Jennette in his presence). Nothing has improved since the official end of the novel, and it’s the last we see of them, and I honestly don’t really have much faith that it’ll improve anytime soon. At least, not without Athy’s intervention, but that would require more of Athy’s own growth.

[ultramarine-spirit]

OKAY HI I'VE BEEN SHAMELESSLY SEARCHING THROUGH YOUR ACCOUNT DIGGING FOR ANSWERS I COULDNT FIND ANYWHERE ELSE (Ik I'm late asf but I hope you still answer questions related to wmmap seriously I'm desperate lmao) So I've read the entire novel and there wasn't any mention of their marriage (Lucas and Athy) 😭 IK THERE IS A BRIEF MENTION ABOUT "SOME" MARRIAGE In BOTB but all the translations I've read haven't specified who she decided marry at the end when she turned 26 💀 how is everyone so sure it was Lucas and did they decide whose gonna rule the empire in the end? I think from Hari's pov, it was yet to get decided later on, and a prince consort was chosen again, I wanted to clarify if it was really Lucas and I don't think there was any mention of her having kids except for in that one parallel dimension.

I mean, WMMAP and BOTB explicitly take place in the same world (they aren't parallel universes, there are no "what-ifs" or anything similar), Athy even meets Cabel and Hari (indirectly). Indeed, the marriage mention is in BOTB, not WMMAP, but it's pretty obvious the groom is Lucas, even if he isn't mentioned by name. Athy also isn't mentioned by name, Hari just says it's the wedding of "Obelia's princess". Considering the novel ends with Athy kissing Lucas, and that they keep dating during the side-stories, it would be very strange that she didn't marry him. As you say, LP! Lucas even sees their future daughter (granted, that could be a different world, but even so, he says that Athy is always with Lucas in all the worlds he visited except one).

I guess it's technically possible that the groom isn't Lucas, but considering that Athy was dating him and that she explicitly rejected Ijekiel, it's incredibly unlikely. What would be the other alternative, Athy marrying a random guy?

Regarding how they decided to rule the empire, there's no direct answer to that question, but Claude said that Athy would be the next empress and she knew that the day would come when she had to rule Obelia. BOTB's novel says that the prince consort (actually, there's no mention of the term "prince consort" as far as I remember, but I'll use it since that would be the title used for Athy's husband/husband-to-be) married into the royal family, not the other way around (naturally, since Athy is the powerful one of the two from a political standpoint), and that's about it. It isn't that the prince consort was going to be decided "later on" after the wedding, that's not how it works, Lucas (or whoever the mysterious guy is, but he is totally Lucas) most likely got that title after the wedding. I think it's safe to assume they rule together but Athy is the one with the most power and doing the most work (I can't see Lucas being very interested in ruling lol). This is the most logical explanation of post-canon's events, but the reference to Athy's wedding/future is pretty brief. Take a look at @lithi's translation.

[akira-ze]

Wmmap x Iatro crossover headcanons cause I have thoughts.

●Timeline wise it is 4 months post Wmmap and 1 year pre-Iatro

•Age wise it is:

Cossette (physically 18/ 13 January)

Kiera(18/ 16 Febuary)

Jennette(17/ 6 January)

Athy(17/ 3 December)

Ijekiel (20/ 5 March)

Joseph (20/ 5 August)

Erez (physically 21/ 21 October )

•Count Weinberg sent Cosette to the academy because he thought it would be good for her. (He wanted her out of the house)

•Jennette and Cosette share some classes despite Jennette being a year younger. She was put in advanced classes meaning a year a higher

●Anastacius and Jennette now live in and own a bakery the in parvis kingdom

●Athy and Jennette talk through letters sent via magic portal courtesy of Lucas

●Lucas and Erez know of eachother but neither cares much about the other

●The Obelia and Parvis kingdoms/duchies are allies and engage trade back-and-forth

●Cosette finds Jennette somewhat off-putting as she cannot see her face and Jennette has a staring problem.

●Joseph often comes to the bakery and talks to Jennette although he wouldn't call her a good friend.

••After Joseph and Keira become close he brings her along to taste the pastries.

●Athy hates Ludwig (He gives her LP!Claude vibes)

●Jennette will often seek Cosette out when in school. She wants to befriend her.

●Demons feast of black magic so Cosette is slowly and unknowningly consuming Jennete's magic.

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That's all I got. It's a mess and there is more that I do not know how to articulate at the moment!

[carlachen]

看到某個姿勢模板，覺得太適合小說外傳Lucas&Athy&Lucas了 

參考模板在下方

https://twitter.com/ya3_3ya/status/1561323417588346880?s=20&t=epo0p2ZU1hiaI-DSOO9SHA

[curiousaromantic]

how he grieves and mourns

Remember that panel (I CANT FIND ITTT) in the manhwa that implied (at least I understood it like that) Lucas destroyed Obelia after Athy was killed in her first life?

Let's clarify that I am only a manhwa reader, I haven't read the WMMAP novel.

Well, I just love the idea of Lucas going feral and protective because of Athy. And then, I was writing something before I could stop myself. It's just something short, but I haven't finished it and I have more ideas.

what if I write an AU where Athy isn't killed in her life but instead is kidnapped by god dragon Lucas who is tired of seeing Athy being neglected by his dad and decides HE will be the one to spoil her and love her and blablabla.

idk why I love the idea of Lucas being a dragon deity. anyways, I wrote it (a part of it?)

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The sky turned gray very quickly; nothing like the calmness of the obscure clouds that used to bring rain to Obelia during certain months of the year.

This time the sky burned.

So ardent and atrocious, cursing with all its immensity and magnitude. The sky became the host of the devil himself.

And the mortals implored. Yet Obelia burned for days, and since day one of this horrible tragedy the Empire was no more.

A pitiful end for such a once outstanding nation. A golden castle tore into pieces by claws, by god’s rage.

Much more time later, when Obelia was no longer a fresh catastrophe upon mortal minds and the earth was no longer quietly suffering the painful process of recovering from the devastation of death and fire, history scholars will wonder:

Why did the Obelian Empire fall apart in three days?

Fate is a silly thing. A mocking asshole.

It tempts you because it knows your deepest desires. It charms its way into the very core of your soul, it settles there all cozy and defenseless casting an absurd feeling of comfort.

Entities such as Lucas really should know better than to fall so low.

In the end, however, even creatures like Lucas, born with divine power and mana in their veins, became bound to earth and its disgrace. Earth's rules chained the children of the gods.

Romance was meant for mortals, for foolish humans. Lucas wasn’t meant for that; Lucas was meant to hoard treasures and knowledge, Lucas was meant to be people’s god.

Lucas became foolish. He liked pretty things and that was his first mistake.

Fate smiles cruelly when it discovers what you love.

Lucas profoundly believes that fate put that pretty thing in his path.

Foolish dragon, his mind whispers viciously when he finds himself thinking that it is difficult to decide if that pretty thing in his path is a curse or a blessing.

His second mistake was accepting fate’s mischievous gift.

She was bright, brighter than the sun; she warmed Lucas like nothing else. Her tiny mortal hands always caressing with such gentleness his own body, somehow lightening the weight Lucas didn’t know he had been carrying through an eternity of loneliness.

Athanasia. Her name meant for immortality, for divinity.

And Lucas —foolish, foolish dragon— thought back then that she was the first mortal he met befitting of such a name. He thought, so foolishly bewitched, that someday he would show her his full being, his whole and pure soul.

Back then he had wanted to tell her:

“You were meant for me.”

Because after all, was not Lucas the immortal she was meant for since her birth? Was her name not a sign of Lucas’ possession?

It was very easy to fall in love and that is what makes Lucas mad.

He doesn’t know if he is referring to the kind of mad that made him blush and unable to stop thinking about her for even a second, or to the kind of mad that ripped his insides and created Obelia’s fall.

He supposes both can fit into that sentence.

Falling in love was easy, too much if you ask him, but Lucas suspects that it was just because it was her; anybody else would not have been worth his attention.

[bvnga-aprikot]

i lowky wanted someone in the manhwa to die, i just think it’ll spice things up a notch.

[ceo-of-jennette-de-alger-obelia]

My wmmap au timeline

So we start with the Lp! Verse

-Jennette wakes up from her illness and finds out that Athanasia had been executed by Claude. Distraught she turns on him and begins to plan her overthrow

-She murders Claude using her black magic and takes the throne for herself. Then starts to study time magic and sends everything back in time to when she was 5.

We leave the Lp! Verse and come into the current timeline

-Jennette wastes no time in studying magic and alchemy. Her magic grows so much to the point that it attracts monsters. To avoid suspicion and potential disaster she builds a small hut out in the forest to work in.

-At 14 she attends Athy's debutante and greets her the same way. Chasing after her to hand back her ribbon, but paying Claude no attention. (I'll probably re-design her debutante dress to)

-Now a slight variation to this au is that Athy realizes early that she was the original Athanasia and had regained her memories too. So she's very apathetic towards Claude and only acts cutesy to please him. She and Jennette share plans to take over the throne through private tea parties.

-Anyways we of course have to bring the boys in here. Kiel is fine and dandy with helping put Athy on the throne and they all pressure Lucas into mentoring Jennie. So now Jennie calls him Mr.Lucas and has a matching cloak like him :D

-So after years of preparation. They set it into motion. Jennette kills Claude once more and places the crown on Athanasia's head. The 4 kids make an mini coronation and present the new empress to the masses. The end

Extra notes:

-I'm making a Siodonnian boyfriend for Athy

-Letizia my baby girl will finally see the light of day after being stuck in my basement. Knight lady Leti and her pretty witch wife Jennette❤️

-Lukiel I guess because I am the biggest, slutiest, whore for rivals/enemies to lovers

@jeweled-blue-eyes Bestie I know you said something about Siodonnian boyfriend once. Gimme your headcanons. The only group projects I like are fandoms ones sooooo

[lithi]

Character cards from the Athanasia Major Arcana card set:

0. The Fool : Aeternitas

1. The Magician : Lucas

2. The High Priestess : Lillian

3. The Empress : Athanasia

4. The Emperor : Claude

5. The Hierophant : Ijekiel

6. The Lovers : Claude and Diana

7. The Chariot : Felix

8. Strength : Jennette and Anastasius

9. The Hermit : Athanasia holding the World Tree’s branch ?

10. Wheel of Fortune : Lucas

11. Justice : Athanasia, LP!Athanasia and LP!Jennette (?)

12. The Hanged Man : Anastasius ?

13. Death : Claude and Anastasius

14. Temperance : ?

15. The Devil : Penelope ?

16. The Tower : Anastasius in Lucas’ Tower ?

17. The Star : Diana

18. The Moon : Claude ?

19. The Sun : Athanasia ?

20. Judgement : Lucas

21. The World : the World Tree and Athanasia

[jeweled-blue-eyes]

Having lots of thoughts on the naming system in wmmap. Has anyone else noticed how the first letters of the names of the royals in wmmap either start with C or A? We have Ambrose, Aevum, Anastacius, Athanasia, Claude, Caelum, Carax...Can we talk about how the C-named character always kills the A-named character and how Athanasia and Jennette are the one exception and manage to break the circle?

Imagine if the author had given lp Jennette a name that starts with C, which she would have changed in wmmap once she choses to exile herself. What an opportunity for the author to further the Cain and Abel parallels in the naming of their characters in the Lovely Princess. Like Claude and Anastacius? The brothers killed each other out of jealousy, Caelum and [redacted]? Caelum's name doesn't mean immortality, which means he was not meant to be the heir. Did he kill his brother too? Then we have Aeternitas faking his death and changing his name to Carax. And according to novel readers Carax devours the mana of his descendents, most of the firstborns which had been given the name of a ruler: immortal, resurrection, undying, everlasting time, names that were derived from the greek words αἰώνῐος (aionios) or ἀμβρόσιος (ambrosios), αθάνατος (athanatos) and ἀνάστασις (anastasis). Names that started with the first letter A. Carax targeted Anastacius when he was a child, he influenced his mind, ripped apart his family, he might have orchestrated his death too so he could take possession of his body.

Another interesting observation is how there tends to be a reversal. Caelum possibly killed his A-named sibling and his treatment of Aeternitas after Lucas questioned his parentage might have metaphorically killed him too, but Aeternitas returned with another name, he became Carax and murders his own father, Claude killed Anastacius and became the Emperor, but years later Anastacius was resurrected and took revenge. Athanasia was wrongfully executed by Claude, but here again the daughters refuse to become like their ancestors. Athy choses to save her fathers life instead of leaving him to die in his black magic induced coma.

[sharper-than-a-serpents-tooth]

wmmap kiss counter

Place 1: Diana of Siodonna

Athy received many kisses from Diana this includes a kiss on the mouth (?), nose, forehead and cheek.

Place 2: Lilian York

Lilian gave Athy three kisses on the cheek and forehead. Supposing the goodnight kiss belongs to a daily ritual, then Lilian had given Athy a kiss each day during the 15 years they lived together. She could challenge Diana for the first place, except she wont. Who knows, Diana's ghost might have visited Athy too and kissed her many times in her dreams without Athy knowing. Diana and Lilian should just share the first place as both of Athy's mothers.

Place 3: Claude de Alger Obelia

No kisses from papa Claude, but he received three kisses on the cheek from his daughter. You can do better!

Place 4: Lucas

He gave Athy two hand kisses and received one kiss on the cheek. I could've deducted points because the kiss on the cheek was forced and the handkiss was copied off Ijekiel but I'm feeling generous today.

Place 5: Ijekiel Alpheus

Three handkisses. A magical number delivered in true fairy tale fashion. How many kisses did lp Athy get?

Place 6: Hannah and Cess

One kiss for Cess and none for Hannah! Though Athy's toothaches later in the story could lead one to assume that Hannah might have gotten back at Cess and bribed Athy with chocolates to get much more kisses as compensation for the one that was stolen from her.

*gasp* Who's that? A secret contender arrives at the stage!

Blackie the Divine Beast

Blackie gave Athy five kisses in total! Looks like we've found the real winner. Lucas and Ijekiel can go home, the only man Athy's heart beats for is her beloved pet wolf.

[sylver-drawer]

Sometimes I think about this old post and other ‘novel spoilers’ that got popular that came out at a time where the manhwa hadn’t finished and the novel was completely inaccessible, talking about how horrible and evil and wicked Jennette in the novel and in LP was while everyone was basically a saint, and how these readers believed this post and went on to build their whole perception of Jennette because of it (even going on to hate and bash manhwa Jen as ‘justification’ for her novel’s counter part) only for at least a good 80% of the post to be straight up false or altered/ from what actually happens in the novel.

Not only the mentions of Jen, but the mentions of Ijekiel, Lucas, Athy, and Claude were just straight up,,, making them softer and nicer and more respectful than they were in the novel. I’m not saying they weren’t—I’m just saying that Ijekiel was not soft boy ‘you’re like a sister to me’ and crying during his rejection of Jennette, Athy and Jen being closer best friends than her and Helena (as in when Claude tells Athy to avoid Jen, Athy laughs at him and calls him jealous before hanging out with Jen one-on-one outside the palace), and Claude not hesitating to kill Jen the moment he’s given the chance (AND CRUELLY TOO! “If you’re so desperate for family, go dig through the graves” and “Go greet him yourself in the afterlife” he says with a cold mocking smirk only being interrupted by Jen’s burst of magic in defense—but sure Mr. ‘what kind of father would I be if I killed my daughter’s friend’). It’s like the post dramatized Jen, and only Jen, diluting the actions and reactions of the others which then in turn made Jen’s character appear so much more selfish and evil in a time no one could correct them.

Sometimes I like to imagine a world without false novel spoilers, and how much less Jen hate there would’ve been. There’s less Jen hate now, but being a rare Jen liker in 2020 and so you’d be in the trenches because everyone was up in arms about “Um! Novel Jennette was evil!”

[ultramarine-spirit]

Hi, I heard that the donghua Athy will have prophetic dreams instead of being a reincarnated person and that Lucas will probably remain in his adult form all the time( I hope this is not true I want to see baby Lucas but considering the first pv, i think it will probably be true, hopefully not). I fear that their dynamic will change and Lucas is gonna catch pe*o allegations now 😭 even though they were two adults pretending to be kids.

The first thing is pretty much confirmed, going by the donghua's summary, but the details are unclear. I don't know if the "LP timeline" was only a vision or something more, it's too early to tell. As for Lucas only staying in his adult form, I don't know what makes you/people think that?

Lucas was introduced in his adult form in the novel and manhwa, and he is wearing the same outfit in the PV, so it seems to me that that'll be his introduction scene. I guess we'll have to see if he keeps his younger form, but the donghua's summary confirms that they will fall in love, so I doubt the chinese team will suddenly make it weird? (Especially when chinese media is heavily censored, which is likely the reason the plot was adapted to be less violent). Let's also remember that Lucas used his adult form multiple times in the manhwa, so if people disliked that, um, it's nothing new?

I know you mean no harm, but part of me feels like I shouldn’t even address this possible "discourse" because it's way too dumb. Some people have called novel and manhwa lucathy problematic before, for multiple reasons, all of them idiotic, so I'm sure they'll find a reason to dislike the donghua version too. I don't care, and you shouldn’t either.

We should just cancel Claude for the 1000th time.

Almost all isekai/time travel manhwa have an odd aspect since more often than not the protagonist is (mentally) way older than her love interest. No matter what, that's an element the writer can't avoid, but I think lucathy is one of the few pairings where this doesn't happen, because of their circumstances (Lucas slept for centuries so his body's age and his mental age are very different, plus he is a magician. There's no reason to think this will be different in the donghua. And Athy has her whole reincarnation thing. We'll see how that plays out.). Despite all of this, you have no one calling athykiel or other manhwa ships (I could give plenty of examples but I'd rather not) problematic because Athy/the FL is (at least) a (mentally) 30+ yo woman thinking a teenager is attractive. That's because manhwas are not that serious. Unless we are talking about the Princess Mint one. That one was weird and I don't like it.

[myearts-uwu]

My WMMAP character tier list

It’s been months since WMMAP ended so I decided to do a wmmap tier list for funsies.

Tbh, not much has changed since I last did this tier list thingie but I definitely became more... specific with how much I like and dislike certain characters.

Ana’s, Jennette’s, Kiel’s and Roger’s tiers are pretty obvious tbh since I’ve consistently made a lot of posts about them generally. They’re the threads still connecting me to wmmap to this day.

Not much to say about Felix. I just think he’s neat. 

I like Lily and Claude. I don’t simp for Claude as much as I used to anymore tho lol. Nowadays, I just wanna imagine him as an actual dad after he got his ‘redemption arc’... I just like to clown him mostly tbh. As for Lily... I wish we’d have gotten more of her since she is literally the only person who’d always sided with Athy in LP and she’s devoted her entire life caring for Athy. 

Athy, I’m on the bridge of the ‘like’ tier and the ‘you’re okay. we have no beef tier’ because, yeah I like her. She’s the protagonist for god’s sake. But I don’t really... worship her like other Athy enjoyers lol. To me she’s alright. 

I still like Diana but I feel detached from her character tbh. Would have loved her more if she had more screentime... and some personality than just being Claude’s past lover and Athy’s mom who loves her even in the afterlife. But chapter 100 is absolutely beautiful. Loved that chapter so much.

Lucas is mostly meh for me. I mean, yeah he has his good points but overall I’m just not that huge of a fan of his character in the manhwa. Maybe I’d have liked him more if he has more character development. Also maybe if he has friends he wants to protect then I’d have bumped him up to the ‘we have no beef’ tier.

Penelope Judith... she doesn’t deserve being on a proper tier ahsdhcfhsh. She’s just a character I really dislike across fiction. Is she hot? Yeah but she’s not my type of hot. I often stay away from any fan content involving her but I kinda like seeing fanart of her being a mom to Jen. Penelope stans, you do you tho cause you guys are so chill! Love you guys <3

Here’s the link to the tier list if you wanna do it!

Here’s the tier list I made way back in February 2021 (man that felt like so long ago)