#Kaio-Ken

[bobauthorman]

"KAIO-KEN!"

"Kaio-what?"

POW!

[sweetescapeartist]

Hello there! Those are good in-depth character and ability examinations and explanations! I'm very happy to get to look into them!

I have a question regarding the Wolf Fang Fist. It's been a while since I've looked back to see it, but you said it functions similarly to the Kaio-ken technique, in that it increases Yamcha's strength, reaction time, and senses. Is there a particular source you're using for reference on this info, or is it an observation you made? I tried looking at the Dragon Ball Wiki, but I can't find anything about that bit of info.

Hey! And thank you!

To answer your question... There is no particular source that states what I claim. The similarity between the Wolf Fang Fist & Kaio-Ken is just an observation I made. However, what's said and shown in the manga is what lead me to the conclusion that the two techniques are similar.

A similar example is Instant Transmission. The Yardrats created the Instant Transmission technique that Goku knows, while the Supreme Kai have a similar teleportation technique that is far more advanced & doesn't rely on pinpointing the energy of someone you know.

Another instance is from the DBS manga continuity where Vegeta learns Forced Spirit Fission which is a technique similar to the Genki Dama/Spirit Bomb. There are other techniques that are similar to each other despite being developed separately & at different times. The Wolf Fang Fist & Kaio-Ken appear to be one of many instances of techniques being similar.

Both the Wolf Fang Fist & Kaio-Ken are techniques where the user enhances their battle power and physical abilities without becoming super buff like Roshi's Full Power form or SSJ Grade 3 & losing speed. The Kaio-Ken & Wolf Fang Fist share a similar principle to that, but they are techniques that not only increase strength but also speed.

WOLF FANG FIST:

The Wolf Fang Fist technique is shown in Dragon Ball chapter 8 & 37. The Neo Wolf Fang Fist is in 117. Yamcha channels a wolf spirit and his physical abilities are enhanced. We have never seen him use the technique combined with a ki blast. Yamcha becomes faster and stronger & reacts quicker. But as for how great of an increas this is? That is unknown.

KAI-O-KEN:

Similarly, the Kaio-Ken technique enhances the physical abilities, but also energy attacks. It is performed by controlling the ki in the body for a burst of energy.

The regular Kaio-Ken is like an advanced version of Wolf Fang Fist that can be multiplied. This is why I at times call the Wolf Fang Fist the "mortal Kaio-Ken." Same principles, but the technique King Kai taught is much more advanced.

I think it would've been cool to see Yamcha create a Wolf Fang Fist with multipliers after he trained under King Kai. Less stress on the body than the Kaio-Ken, but still gives an increase in power. But since enemies became so strong, not even techniques like the Kaio-Ken would have been much help for any character. Is it really worth it to damage yourself while fighting an enemy who is far stronger than Super Saiyans? The risk is way higher than the reward.

EXTRA:

Could Yamcha have possibly used a his Wolf Fang Fist technique or a twist on it after the Freeza Saga? Yes. Because most techniques don't have to be said in order to activate them. So, it is possible that Yamcha used an advanced version of the Wolf Fang Fist technique on the Cell Jr. he fought. But the Cell Jrs. can defeat Super Saiyans so... Using it against an opponent that strong doesnt add up to much.

The next time Yamcha used something like the Wolf Fang Fist was in "Yo! Son Goku & His Friends Return!" where a wolf spirit appeared behind him when he used the Spirit Ball technique to save Bulma, Puar, & Oolong. So lukely a mixture of the Wolf Fang Fist & Spirit Ball. Sadly, Yamcha doesn't fight in DBS even though he has regained his fighting spirit was shown in the OVA "Yo! Son Goku & His Friends Return!" & in the Tournament of Power Saga of the DBS anime (which was frustratingly played up for mediocre comedy). But we do get a scene in DBS EP 70 when Yamcha uses the "Wolf Fang Pitch."

I hope we see him use the Wolf Fang Fist again in the main series and that he has advanced it by learning how to multiply it or something.

[quantumleper]

The Most Epic Battle in All of Manga & Anime Begins | Dragon Ball Z | Frieza Saga

[nicksbloggingadventures]

Goku: Kaio Ken!!!!!!!!

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[kxkarot]

Pstttt fellow goku writers. There's a surprise in my tags.

[theshadychamp]

Goku Vs Lord Slug!

Day 21 of Dragon Ball Madness!

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There’s not really anything I can say that can explain these but I want the world to see them

[thewizardslime]

hii im the guy that plays the robot

Jay is probably my favorite character from the campaign, cool that you did this deep dive on him :D

As a follow up im going to be deep diving on my character cuz i am quite autistic about him

IO is an android developed by the company Doston Bynamics (funny name i know) as the newest machine of the Infinibot line (IO stands for Infinibot model O)

However, the apocalypse has had... an interesting consequence on it's AI, specially considering it had to be quickly remade after the company lost a lot of money as their hivemind AI project ended up becoming a digital monster

You know how robots are made to help people? Well IO... also wants to help, but not just out of good will or out of a coded in nessessity, but because of a sense of superiority. It thinks of all living species, sapient or not, as just little things that are dumb and stupid, however they created it, and they created it to help them with their troubles. At first this seems "fine" but this egocentric view of helping ends up making him more annoying than anything. Plus, he's not even that good at it. He keeps getting distracted or gets angry over the dumbest things and he lacks a lot of common sense.

However thinking of himself as "better" isn't that far off... he is probably the strongest person on the team and the one that becomes better the fastest. He's a machine, he can turn mechanical parts he finds into weapons or other upgrades, and in the wasteland the story takes place in there's lots of that, so he upgrades pretty quickly. Every time he upgrades his ego also grows and grows, sometimes it seems like he thinks of himself as some sort of angel born to save society from the hell of the apocalypse and destroy all the evil people that threaten peace, tho his usually distracted and "cute" attitude often hides his true thoughts

His main enemy is said runaway AI mentioned before, project Odstron. Odstron thinks people are dumb and stupid and inferior and should be exterminated. If you couldn't tell, IO and Odstron have the same motivation but literally opposite goals. This makes them rlly interesting since it forms a cool duality between them where they are both objectively wrong but neither can really think about it.

In terms of interacting with the team it's interesting. He's able to worry about other people like when they are hurt or he notices they feel bad, but other than hugging he can't really do much. He doesn't understand intricate feelings. He also thinks he's "protecting" them and that they don't need to do anything while he fights off monsters, even if he's needed their help multiple times.

Summary: robot thinks he's a god and thus has to protect what's left of civilization but doesn't understand people don't need him to do everything and that he's not perfect

Also i kinda want to just ignore his flaws sometimes and hug him cuz he's kinda cute y'know

look at him (in both normal and "OVERCLOCK" mode)

Sympathy for the Unknown

ok not something I ever told Tumblr about but I'm in an rp campaign and I wanted to share my character's concept with you all

So, us TMA fans (and all the other fandoms I post about I guess but MAINLY TMA) absolutely know about the uncanny evil... I mean that's literally what the Stranger is. But I have something else to offer: Jay. Yeah uh, that's the character's name.

Just imagine you're wandering in the wastelands and finally stumble upon a group. A robot, a cyborg, a vampire, a small alien... nothing too peticuliar considering this is a fantasy world. And then there's the surgeon. A limp figure with an ample trench coat, painfully fake hair, leathery skin and a single, staring glass eye, whereas the other eye socket is empty, closed by the sagging fake skin on the right side of its face. Its movements are stiff as it walks to come greet you and lends you its hand to be shaken. It attempts a smile, but all it manages to really make is a grimage, with bumps forming and disappearing from its face. You can't help but notice the low hum that comes out from it. And how perfect, how flawless its voice is when it does speak. A voice without any impurities. It doesn't move its lips to talk. Obviously, it has a voicebox somewhere. But what even decided what it was gonna say? It's simple. Thousands of bugs, crawling onto one another to move around and form what calls itself Jay. One big hivemind.

But Jay isn't some cold and calculating creature. Jay isn't even an it. He's a man. Or so he wishes to be. Back then, he was created with the end goal of making any kind of animal have the same thinking abilities as a man; they've chosen to use bugs for this. I'll spare you the whole process of his creation but after years of process, Jay was born. He was teached everything within the same lab he was born in, everyone's attention on him, always. He was better made back then. His movements were more natural, the faux-skin actually looked lively and his voice box was more nuanced. But that was years ago. And even then, people noticed and his cover quickly got busted, shortly after finally being allowed out with other people. Back then, he didn't mind that much, being hidden away again in the basement of the place. But during his entire existence he was being teached everything, and that was good, he was smart, and his first contact with the actual world was medical school once he was finally ready for it. And then the apocalypse happened. He couldn't renew his "shell" and with the years it just deteriorated, and he found himself in an ever worsening mental state. He was created to be a man, wasn't he? And it's all he ever wanted to be. No, not only. He was set to become a surgeon, to save people's lives. After a few years, he found the group, and they definitely did not help his case. Especially the robot, who doesn't seem to understand that its "main character" attitude is hurting everyone else in the group. But for him it's a little different... it sounds more human than him. It sounds more human than him. And he lives off of validation and praise and just being useful. He's useless in the group. Completely and utterly useless. He can't fight, nobody that he was trained to heal ever got injured seriously enough to need his help and, well, despite him being legitimately the smartest out of the group, nobody listened to him and his advices, even when he is the one that's right. And it dragged him down morally so much.

He wanted to be a man. He's meant to be a man, to be a person, to be a human being. To help others, heal them. But he's not that. He'll never, ever be that. No matter how he wants to be. And he has to bottle it all up. He wasn't made to feel like that. At some point, one of the members, which was the only one he was close to, hugged him for comfort, but as much as he wanted it to help, it didn't do anything. It might just have been a punch and he wouldn't have felt it any differently. And that thought made him want to cry. But he couldn't. He doesn't have eyes. His entire mind aches to scream out its emotions onto his body but his body is not fit for conveying those emotions. The body isn't even part of him. Like the human is just a mask. But what he feels is very much real. It's in his ever growing despair that he decides to leave the group and continue his journey alone. Away from everything, letting his own identity decay away with time until all that's left is a feral swarm of bugs that just roam around the wastelands without a goal. Physically, it's there, but he's gone.

Summary: Uncanny hivemind in a skin suit longs to be human and is put into an indescribable state of misery by his fading identity and his body feeling like something entirely different than what he is :-)

Oh also he's kind of a jerk.

[bobauthorman]

"Kaio-Ken!"

"Kaio-what?"

[notmaplemable]

Jaune: Wanna see this cool thing I learned in a different dimension?

Ruby: Sure.

Jaune: KAIO-KEN!

RWBY: ...

Ruby: That's a lot of red.

Weiss: Kaio-what?

Blake: I think he's more muscular than my dad now.

Yang: No fucking fair!

[angelofalls]

Powering up or a Kaio-Ken

(Okay okay, last one for now. I had too much fun and needed to get these drawings out of my system 😭💖)

[afrophunk]

He is canonically stronger than Roshi and is definitely stronger than the Ginyu Force at this point in time . So are Tien and Krillin

But because ToP was all over the place in terms of story, "strongest guys" ended up to be the main focus. Teamwork and trust should have been the main focus for a battle royale

Just how useful would Yamcha have been in the Tournament of Power compared to Frieza? He would have just lost easier than Tien and Krillin.

Given how wonky the powerscaling in Super is, he could be stronger than Roshi for all we know! 🤣

[tobiasdrake]

Hi there, love your DBZ analyses! It’s a lot of fun reading them, and you’ve made really good observations that I try to incorporate into my fics!

One thing I wanted to ask is if you think the humans might have been able to maintain a…stronger? Roll in the Android/Cell saga fights if they were allowed to seek out Goku to learn some of his techniques. Such as the Kaioken, which could theoretically give a bigger multiplier than Super Saiyan. Or the Spirit Bomb, a move we know Krillin is capable of using (at least, capable of using in a diminished form).

I just ask because I like to think of ways I could have the humans stay relevant in fights when writing fics. At least, whenever they haven’t made the decision to retire like Krillin and Yamcha have. (And no shade there, if they don’t want to be practitioners anymore that’s 100% valid.)

To the contrary, I think if the humans remained relevant, we'd see them devising new techniques and skills of their own distinct from the Kaio-ken and Genki-Dama. Possibly incorporating some of their ideas, but using their time on Kaio's world and beyond to develop their own unique styles.

That's always been how they operate. They're all innovators. They'll follow the trails Goku blazed in terms of training under the same masters, but they also spend a lot of time separately working on their unique arts. They create new techniques like the Sokidan/Spirit Ball or Shishin no Ken/Multiform or Kienzan/Destructo Disc, awaiting the day they'll show off what they've made to one another at the tournament. Even Piccolo falls into that rhythm after his defeat.

Ten even says as much when we briefly check in on him.

But because the human martial artists fell out of focus, we never get to find out what he means by this.

[mmproductions]

KAIO-KEN!! QUADRUPLE THREAT!!

Krillin, Chiaotzu, Yamcha, and Tien power up to defeat whoever they're up against! Maybe this time they'll do it without Goku's help!