#Jasper Tudor

[dailytudors]

TUDOR WEEK 2024

It is baaaaack by popular demand!. We are hosting Tudor Week 2024. This is going to be hosted from Monday the 14th of October to Sunday the 20th of October.

The week will go as follows:

Day 1 - Monday, 14th of October:  Your Favourite Tudor (members of the family that were born Tudors). Day 2 - Tuesday, 15th of October: Favourite Tudor contemporary quote about or said by the Tudor family. Day 3 - Wednesday, 16th of October: Best Tudor What If? Day 4 - Thursday, 17th of October: Fancast Your Favourite Tudor Family Member. Day 5 - Friday, 18th of October: Favourite Tudor Iconography (e.g. Tudor Rose, Anne Boleyn's falcon, Jane Seymour's Phoenix). Day 6 - Saturday, 19th of October: Favourite Tudor Couple (could include unmarried couples, e.g., Elizabeth I and Robert Dudley). Day 7 - Sunday, 20th of October: Favourite Tudor-related location.

This can cover all events and media that a Tudor family member is present, so from Owen Tudor to Elizabeth Tudor, and may include spouses and acknowledged children of direct members of the Tudor family (if unsure who we cover please check our Family page). We have attempted to make it as broad as possible and no pressure if you are late with some of the days, we will still reblog.

Previous Years: 2021, 2022, 2023

Be sure to tag your posts TudorWeek2024 and DailyTudors, looking forward to seeing your posts!

The Team at DailyTudors

[isabelleneville]

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Day Seven: Favourite Tudor-related Location >> 2/3 - SUDELEY CASTLE After the battle of Bosworth the property was gifted to Henry VII's uncle Jasper Tudor. Sudeley Castle was later granted to Thomas Seymour on his ascension as Baron Sudeley during the reign of Edward VI, Thomas married the late King's widow Catherine Parr and it was to be her last home where her daughter was born. Catherine died of childbirth complications while residing at the castle and was later buried in the castle's church and is the only English Queen to be buried at a private residence. Her stepdaughter Elizabeth I is said to have celebrated the defeat of the Spanish Armada at the castle.

[glorianas]

There has never been time for words of love between us, we have spent most of our time saying goodbye

MARGARET BEAUFORT and JASPER TUDOR in THE WHITE QUEEN (2013)

[athousandtales]

After the successful meeting with Henry VI, Margaret, Henry Stafford and Henry Tudor travelled to Woking. Margaret and her son spent a week together at her favourite residence, and it appears that this was treated as a holiday by them and a chance to get to know each other again. For Margaret, who had already spent a considerable time apart from her only child, such moments would have been precious, and after leaving Woking, the pair travelled slowly with Henry Stafford to Maidenhead and Henley-on-Thames before Margaret once again passed her son over to the control of his uncle. By 1471, Henry Tudor was rapidly approaching adulthood: he was already older than Margaret had been when she gave birth to him. Although it must have been a wrench for Margaret to part from her child once again, she recognised that it was time for the boy to make his way in the world and that his uncle, who had shown himself to have they boy’s best interests at heart, was, for the time being at least, the man best suited to be his guardian. (...) On 11 November, Henry bade his mother and stepfather farewell and joined his uncle Jasper. Though neither Margaret nor Henry could have known it, they would not see each other again for almost fifteen years. (x) (x)

[richmond-rex]

TUDOR WEEK 2023 | Day 7: Favourite Tudor Mentor and Mentee relationship

Jasper Tudor & Henry VII of England

The king whom Jasper helped to make was a strong ruler, who restored the fortunes of the war-torn country he had seized, and returned political stability to the kingdom — a stability which more or less remained for centuries, and at the very least throughout the Tudor period. While Warwick had created kings, Jasper created a true king, a monarch ruling independently of any intervention or control of the nobility, who founded a dynasty which truly set the standard for royal rule. Jasper has not at any time been called a ‘Kingmaker’, and his work was perhaps, by necessity, more discreet and quiet than that of Warwick’s, but he worked towards the same ultimate goal (x).

[blackboar]

Did Margaret beaufort say many times before Henry Tudor ascended the throne that my son would become king?

No, pardon my french but that’s complete bullshit.

Margaret Beaufort did not plan to make her son king until at best summer 1483. The white queen is very unrealistic in that aspect.

Margaret is an individual who have a familial loyalty and people whom she cares about beyond Henry, even though he certainly is her first concern. Margaret thinking that her son would be king is basically wishing the end of the House of Lancaster, and probably Beauforts and Holland, all whom do or could have a claim for the throne before Henry.

After 1471, we see no sign of Margaret attempting to push her son. In fact she clearly attempt to insert herself and her son in the triumphant Yorkist regime. She marry a influential lord close to power, she enter the queen’s household, she attempt to negotiate a settlement for her son.

It didn’t work for a decade because Margaret couldn’t garantuee her son’s safety in the Yorkist regime. Henry Holland’s weird death was probably a prime warning for her that reconciled Lancastrian pretenders could have a reduced chance of life expectancy in Yorkist England. There was probably third parties eager to see the Tudor heir die in exile and not return to claim his familial lands (like the Herberts, Clarence then Gloucester himself).

So she bid her time and negotiated what probably was a first step in 1482: a share of her mother’s inheritance. Edward IV died before final negotiations be made. She pushed her son king afterwards because it was the least bad option. Richard III was attempting to extradite him anyway and he was becoming a potential pretender with the new king’s flawed legitimacy. Negotiations were no longer possible.

I don’t think Margaret wanted her son to be king even after 1471. Every king she knew except Edward IV died violently and Edward himself came close numerous times. And that’s not even opening the issue of pretenders, wether overt or merely seen as potential ones. Their death rate was very high.

Hence why Hall claimed she cried during her son’s coronation: he was putting a big target in his back, she knew it and she was right considering he almost got killed weeks afterward. Anxiety probably swallowed her as her son was never completely safe and constantly facing rivals, plots, uncertainties, treasons, discontents and outright weirdos attempting to destroy him.

I personally think it’s not coincidence that she died months after him. Uncertainty kept her alive, fearful that his life would end with defeat and death. So when he died peacefully, albeit not painlessly, and the transition to her grandson was made, she knew she could leave at peace.

As an aside, if a show want to have an half-deluded character who desperately cling to the idea of making Henry king as ultimate vindication for his suffering, just pick Jasper (after 1471 though). He’s the one with big grudges toward Edward IV who personally executed his dad. He’s the one who can’t and probably won’t make peace with the Yorkist regime.

[une-sanz-pluis]

Mystery also surrounds Owen Tudor's marriage, but there is no question as to its validity or the legitimacy of his offspring. Richard III's proclamations described Tudor as a bastard; his marriage, however, was not disputed.

Ralph Griffiths, "Tudor, Owen [Owain ap Maredudd ap Tudur] (c. 1400–1461)", Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (2004, updated 2008)

[dailytudors]

Tudor Week 2023

To celebrate our belated three-year anniversary we are hosting Tudor Week 2023. This is going to be hosted from Monday the 31st of July to Sunday the 6th of August.

The week will go as follows:

Day 1 - Monday, 31st of July : Favourite Tudor Rivalry Day 2 - Tuesday, 1st of August : Favourite Female Tudor Family Member Day 3 - Wednesday, 2nd of August : Best Tudor Myth Day 4 - Thursday, 3rd of August : Favourite Male Tudor Family Member Day 5 - Friday, 4th of August : Most Used Tudor Related Resource Day 6 - Saturday, 5th of August : Favourite portrayal of a Tudor Family Member Day 7 - Sunday, 6th of August : Favourite Tudor Mentor and Mentee relationship (can be a Tudor familial relationship, or a Tudor and a courtier relationship)

This can cover all events and media that a Tudor family member is present, so from Owen Tudor to Elizabeth Tudor, and may include spouses and acknowledged children of direct members of the Tudor family (if unsure who we cover please check our Family page). We have attempted to make it as broad as possible and no pressure if you are late with some of the days, we will still reblog.

Previous Years: 2021, 2022

Be sure to tag your posts TudorWeek2023 and DailyTudors, looking forward to seeing your posts!

- The Team at DailyTudors

[isabelleneville]

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Day Five: Most Used Tudor Related Resource >> My slowly expanding collection of Tudor nonfiction books.

[beardofkamenev]

The chronicler Gregory, referring to Owain [Tudor]’s end, tells a macabre story of how a mad woman combed Owain’s hair and washed the blood off his face. ‘And she got candles and set them about him burning more than a hundred.’ Owain himself, when he finally realised that his end was nigh and could not be avoided, murmured sadly, “That head shall lie on the stock was that was wont to lie on Queen Catherine’s lap”; and put his heart and mind wholly unto God and full meekly took his death.’ He was buried at the Friars Minor’s chapel at Hereford.

Glanmor Williams, Renewal and Reformation: Wales C. 1415-1642 (1993)

His son Jasper [Tudor] was deeply stung by this defeat and especially his father’s death. Some of the Welsh poets also took Owain’s death far less meekly than he himself was reported to have done. Robin Ddu sadly lamented the ‘severing of the sea-swallow’s head’ but rejoiced that ‘the great eagle, the earl [Jasper] had been left’ […], while Ieuan Gethin would have preferred to see him die, if he had to, on the field of battle, and could not forgive the English […] for shortening his hero’s life. He could console himself and his hearers only by remembering that in spite of Owain’s death, he could still look to his grandson, Henry, and his son, Jasper, to fulfil the old dreams of freedom and a better day for the Welsh.

[athousandtales]

The arrival of her son signified a momentous change in Margaret’s outlook, for no longer was her own future her sole consideration – her decisions would affect the course of Henry’s life too, and that made them of even greater import. Though he had his uncle Jasper, she considered that another male figure who could offer protection in the uncertain political climate was essential. Margaret recognized that in order to safeguard Henry’s interests she needed an ally and protector, and the way to obtain one was through marriage. (...) The level of Margaret’s own involvement in her marital arrangements is extraordinary, considering her youth and all that she had been through in so short a space of time. Henry’s birth had had a profound impact on her, imbuing her with a new sense of purpose. The experience of childbirth in a land full of political unrest forced Margaret to grow up quickly, and she emerged as a stronger and more determined character who would put her son’s interests above all else. Henry’s future wellbeing then, was the motivation that drove her when considering her marital arrangements. (...) That she chose to undertake it is a testament to her own insistence on being involved in the negotiations concerning her future. [x]

[thecoffeeloverbutterfly90]

Besides, I not post it... Doesn't say that, I'm not consider this two as Mom & Dad. 😉😘👏❤️🫶

[richmond-rex]

After the restoration of Henry VI in 1470 Henry came under the protection of Jasper, his uncle, who, according to Polydore Vergil, found him living in the household of the Countess of Pembroke and introduced him to court. Shortly before Dafydd Llwyd had formally renounced all loyalty to the deposed Edward IV, 'Edward, I now become a supporter of the eagle from Anglesey', ending his poem with a prophecy that the said eagle would one day gain the Crown.

— Gruffydd Aled Williams, The Bardic Road to Bosworth: A Welsh View of Henry Tudor

[blackboar]

On this day: February 2th, 1461: the battle of Mortimer's Cross

The battle of Mortimer's Cross was fought at the end of winter and was rooted in Welsh politics. It was fought at the border between Wales and Herefordshire. On the one side, the new duke of York since the execution of his father a month ago: Edward Plantagenet. Edward was Earl of March before, a huge lordship in Wales and the Welsh Marches, commanding many retainers. Two of its most prominent retainers were there with him: William Herbert and Walter Deveureux.

William Herbert was an ambitious Welshman, and Walter Devereux was a prominent Hertfordshire knight, both dedicated to the House of York.

Facing them, the Lancastrian faction was led by Jasper and Owen Tudor. Jasper, as Earl of Pembroke and half-brother of the king, commanded great influence in southern Wales. His brother Edmund clashed with Devereux in 1456 as York tried to rise in influence in the region. James Butler was with them as Earl of Wiltshire and Ormond. The Butler family was powerful in Ireland and headed the Lancastrian faction in an unstable island where Yorkist influence was prominent. He fought with the Tudors. However, his marriages with the Beauchamp and Beaufort families gave him lands and interests in the Welsh Marches and the West Country, making him a powerful magnate outside of Ireland.

The stakes were high. Edward IV was the only adult Yorkist alive capable of championing the Lancastrians. More locally, Jasper and Owen had a grudge against Deveureux and Herbert, who waged war against their interest in 1456.

The Lancastrians were probably less numerous than the Yorkists, but their aggressive strategy gave them a shot at beating them.

Butler attempted an aggressive encirclement of the left flank, forcing Devereux to retreat. Meanwhile, Pembroke faced the duke of York. Owen's attempt at crushing Herbert and forcing an encirclement could have changed History, but it failed, and his 'battle' began to rout. Herbert's decisive hold allowed a Yorkist victory and the capture and execution of Owen Tudor.

This victory would mean much for the Yorkist. Everyone on the Yorkist side was eventually promoted. Deveureux and Herbert would become lord in 1461, just like Sir Humphrey Stafford, who fought with them. York would become king of England a few months later. The reverse was also true, as Jasper Tudor lost his earldom in favor of the Herberts (1469) and Butler lost his life a few months later and his family lost his earldom of Wiltshire with it. Jasper would regain his lands only after the battle of Bosworth twenty-four years later, in which Walter Deveureux, as lord Ferrers, would die fighting for Richard III.

Sun Dog in the Nuremberg Chronicle.

Edward IV would use the battle as a neat piece of propaganda. A parhelion was seen on the eve of the battle, and Edward IV would say those three suns represented the three surviving sons of York (Edward, George, and Richard). It would symbolize the dawn of a new dynasty for England, but the collision of the three stars would allow Tudor's sun to rise.