#Imaginaerum Album
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breedsblood · 1 year ago
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Visions of Atlantis - Wild Elysium - Live Streaming With Tauri Reacts
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flowersbyphone · 12 days ago
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when an album or song has an overture,,,, one of the things ever
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fitzrove · 1 month ago
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nightwish songs tier list because everyone else online is Wrong
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spacetime-storytime · 3 months ago
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my Nightwish tier list. this was sooooo hard. im already questioning all of my decisions but my ranking was based on what songs i go back and listen to the most, which i think it does reflect. can you tell my favourite album is imaginaerum lol
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altarus · 7 months ago
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Nightwish - Yesterwynde
Four years after the moronically titled Human. :II: Nature., Nightwish is back with Yesterwynde, which rolls a bit easier off the tongue. After two ok-ish albums with Floor Jansen, can the third time finally be the charm? Let���s find out. Continue reading Nightwish – Yesterwynde
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verdiesque · 1 year ago
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ooooooh for the music ask thing: Nightwish as a band and Bleed Out by Within Tempation for album (taking a shot in the dark with this one 👀)
hope you are having a good day and I am sending you lots of love 💖💖💖💖
Can't answer the WT one bc I haven't listened to the full album sorryyyy
As for Nightwish:
1. Ghost Love Score
2. Ever Dream
3. The Poet and the Pendulum
4. Beauty of the Beast
5. Stargazers
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lightineventide · 7 months ago
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Listening to it right now for the first time and I really think a lot of those complaints are over exaggerated?! Like yes, the mixing of her voice is unusual, but I see what purpose it serves. And to be honest, the first two singles definitely aren't the most interesting songs on the album (for me at least) but An Ocean Of Strange Islands is so good?! Don't get me started on The Children Of 'Ata, too. 😄
All in all, I'm not making the same mistake again - I won't look at any fan discussions before listening to new albums myself. This was literally my first time doing so and I regret it. I mean, one of the things I read was, quote "this will probably be the last album of a once great band", like pardon me?! What in it prompted this thought?
Imaginaerum will forever be my favorite Nightwish album because it's such a good representation of music they did and the music they do.
That said Yesterwynde is absolutely beautiful to me, I can't even begin to explain it. I keep hearing complaints about Floor's voice being drowned out by choirs, and I do not agree. She is supposed to be a part of the choir, she is supposed to represent the present (in a lot of the songs) vs the past (the choir) and it was done so well!!!!!
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sirenofthegreenbanks · 3 months ago
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Better late than never: 1,2,3,5 please!
helloo ((:
1. song of the year?
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2. album of the year?
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imaginaerum the score by nightwish. the song up there is an example. i've run through the album multiple times and it kept shuffling out new, exciting artists too. idk, i love how unique each song is. some of them are downright haunting
3. favourite new musical group or artist of the year?
i answered this number before but like i told ros i discovered a lot of new artists this year and i‘m bursting at the seams to talk about it!
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eivør isn't a new artist per se; i've known her for a few years at least. but this year i really had the time of my life going through her stuff. i enjoy the recording of her live performance i've seen (which is the one above) and i love that she keeps doing new, interesting stuff, like with her new single jarðartrá, which is my song of the year!
5. tv show of the year?
this was a happy year for me in terms of new, exciting hows! show me love the series wins out purely because i'm down bad for both women, and the story struck me deeply
ask away about my year!
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marionetteangie · 2 months ago
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Thomas: None of this makes any sense.
Ann: It should.
This is my entire analysis summed up. I want to make as much sense as I can of a movie that insists on not making full sense of itself. It's interpretive, experimental, and beautiful.
Imaginaerum, the 2012 film by Nightwish, is a film I only recently watched, alongside my best friend. Since then, it has relentlessly picked at my brain, almost like my head’s been sawed open (get it?) and now I’m here trying to understand what this insane film means. So, these are my thoughts as an avid listener of the Imaginaerum album. Whilst I’m aware I can never truly get into the head of someone like Thomas, since I don’t have his condition, I want to at least try and understand some of what I saw, since I’ve had to watch the film twice and read countless articles just to grasp some of the beautiful but elusive imagery. I’ve tried to make it cohesive and chronological with the film, but honestly it’s really hard since the film forces you to cross-reference all the time. Anyway…
I won't shut up about Imaginaerum movie and you can't make me
Watch it here, spoilers for the entire movie ahead! Please remember these are just my thoughts and opinions, you don’t have to agree, and I’m not a scholar haha.
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To start. The movie opens with the instrumental of Taikatalvi. Translation is by fuckyeahnightwish.
Magic Winter
Of my children the dearest one is this stage
Where the moonlight on its alleys advances
Bent sprig, summer in the care of
The White Ocean so wide
Which with the wings of a ghost moon
Arrives to retrieve me home
Upon the wintry earth, a moment like eternity
Which with the paws of a kitten to me creeps
Here at the tale's roots I may live, where
A violin of vast longing
Its eternal melody paints
With its song awakens the earth
Thomas, sitting at his piano, the arabesque nearby. We see the soldiers, planes, the last page. The chord is even present, ‘e minor’. So…what does this mean? Well, we see that the arabesque won’t spin. And Thomas asks, “what’s wrong with you princess, why won’t you spin?”. We also see Mr White. To me, all of these are symbols.
The arabesque symbolises love. Parental love, specifically. We know from the end of the film that it was given to Tom by his father, in one of the only acts of kindness we’ve ever seen Theodore do for anyone, really. And then, he showed it to Gem, and enchanted her with it. It’s a symbol of how Thomas takes love, and then passes it on, in his own unique way.
The soldiers represent childhood. They represent the bond between Gem and Thomas, just as the arabesque does, but on a more personal level. “Bonjour, mon general”, a phrase Gem uses, sounds like play. It represents Thomas passing on his sentiments of childhood to his daughter, engaging her in his fantasy world he’s created, which at the time she loved, she found happiness and solace in their imaginations coming together.
The planes represent Theodore, and the fictionalised reality Tom has built about his father. He believes, despite knowing deep down that Theodore is poison to him, that he should idolise his father. He hangs his memory everywhere. The arabesque, the planes…and Mr White.
Mr White himself is a symbol. Obviously he’s literally Tom’s father, but it goes deeper. He represents Thomas hating himself for being the shadow of his father. He can never be Theodore Whitman. He can only be Tom. And to him, that’s not enough. His music will never be enough. He carries a deep, deep pain inside that represents his self worth, and that is illustrated so many times throughout the film.
The last page is a symbol of reconciliation. He just wants to reconcile with Gem, deep down. For her to understand him, she has to understand all of him, not just what he’s chosen to show her.
So, we have our bare bones. Symbols of fatherhood and childhood. How they interact and contrast. So why won’t the arabesque spin? It’s because he hasn’t reconnected with his child yet. He hasn’t found the change from G to E minor, only half of it. Someone else needs to find the other half.
Thomas's subsequent episode is fiction bleeding into reality, and reality bleeding into fiction. Nothing is real, but nothing is fake. It's an elegant dance of distortion. It’s confusingly beautiful, and tumultuous. We are thrust into a world of memories and dreams, and it’s confusing where they blend and end. But that’s the beauty of it all.
We then see an orphanage. We learn about Matthew’s story, the story of a snowman coming alive and the winter’s last snowflake, the idea of stories coming to life. Whether it’s just that Thomas has always had mental issues or a vivid imagination, or perhaps both considering how much trauma he must have, he truly believes in the story of Mr White coming alive. And yet, his version of Mr White is entwined with memories of Theodore, Mr Whitman. He’s got a pilot’s compass, goggles, and helmet. He’s got a sinister expression. The snowman represents all of Theodore, good and bad. The idealised pilot, and the sinister but sorrowful man reaching out his arms. But on a more heartbreaking note, it’s Thomas wishing he could bring his father back to life, and keep him alive forever. So…that’s what he does. Through story after story of his father he creates in his head, he builds him year after year. And soon, his idealised version of his father begins to smother the abusive alcoholic underneath. The concept of winter never ending is also interesting, as the film introduces us to the idea of cycles and things never changing, such as that change from G to Em that defines the movie. I also wondered about a potential connection between the puddle of water crackling and turning to ice and the track ‘a crackling sphere’, but I’m not sure.
Thomas and Ann meet for the first time, indicating our introduction to this instrumental character in Tom’s life. Ann represents his wisdom and his guidance.
I also noticed some parallels, those being the picture frame of Thomas and his parents, and the one that was later taken of him, his wife, and his daughter, Gem.
We learn that Thomas has likely deluded himself into a belief that his father’s still alive, as a way of coping. This could even be how Mr White first formed, due to dissociative amnesia preventing a young, traumatized little boy from remembering the night he was stained with his father’s blood. As he says in the movie, “My dad's a pilot. He's not dead. He's Theodore Whitman and he's a hero. He saved his passengers from a tornado and crashed. When he gets rescued, he'll come and get me.” But…the validity of this statement is to be debated. Thomas could be making up stories, as Ann later says, but we also know there’s some truth in some of them, like the spinning arabesque. Maybe it’s possible that Theodore once did survive a tornado. But now he’s gone, and all Tom has is smoke and mirrors, and memories. He can clutch that little toy plane all he wants, but it won’t bring his father back. We also learn that his mother was sick and died, a parallel between how himself and Gem both grew up motherless.
A few other random details:
Gem’s outfit. It’s layered, it has black overtop grey, overtop white. Black represents death, despair, sorrow. Grey represents a median, nuance, wisdom. White, it’s innocence and purity. The key to Gem’s character development is represented by what she wears. She begins the movie in essentially a funeral outfit, mourning a father she never really knew. But by the end, she’s in pink, just like her childhood self. She’s gone back to her roots, and found what her father was trying to tell her, in his own unique way.
Childhood Gem has a few key traits. She wears pink, red, and white. Linking her to the arabesque, the waitress with her bow (since Gem has a red ribbon), and her future self. She represents innocence, but her dress also reminds me of a stereotypical clown, with those three red buttons all in a row.
For the entire film, Thomas wears white. He’s a pure man, but stained like ink on a page. These stains are brought forth by the black aura of Mr White, which threaten to cover everything that makes him who he is. After all, in both music and writing, the space between is just as important as the ink, light brings darkness, and darkness brings light. Can’t have one without the other.
I wondered if the spinning top that Thomas has could represent his game of a tornado, maybe he did make it all up. Who knows?
Mr White quotes that prove Theodore’s greater abuse of Thomas, even though it’s buried:
"Maybe you're not a chip off the ol' block"
Gaslighting Thomas, essentially being like “man up if you want to be like me”
"It's okay, I'm not mad", whilst pounding on the door
"No you're hurting me"
"You know I would never do that, I only want what's best for you" - Tom and Mr White
And then some of Theodore’s quotes:
"What, are you scared? How can you be scared of it if you've never even seen it?"
Echoing Mr White
"Alright, buddy?" - associating the use of buddy with abuse
Mr White also notably uses the phrase "This is as real as it gets for you, buddy.", which to me indicates that for Thomas’s entire life, he’s been just chasing dreams and shadows. He’s trying to follow his father’s footsteps, but at the same time is terrified of becoming him, knowing deep down how poisonous and dangerous that would be. Not only for him, but also for his little girl. On top of this, I think this line leads into the greater theme that Thomas is his own person, he’s got a song of himself all laid out, and it ends with the phrase of his daughter, he’s built something new and beautiful with his life, breaking the cycle of abuse that he almost perpetuated.
I also find it interesting that the lyrics of Storytime are present during the flying scene (which is definitely a homage to the Snowman, aka peak Christmas movie <3)
I am the voice of Never-Never-Land
The innocence, the dreams of every man
I am the empty crib of Peter Pan
A silent kite against the blue, blue sky
Every chimney, every moonlit sight
I am the story that will read you real
Every memory that you hold dear
The lyrics almost guide Thomas as to what he needs to do. He’s the boy who never grew up, his white clothes are innocent. He’s the one traversing the night, trying to find the dawn and wake up, needing to see his daughter. His pages are the story of himself, his song that will read him back to reality. And he is formed of every memory he holds dear, this dream version of himself, all that the Snowman wants to destroy. It’s also notable that over the DNR order, the notes of storytime play, indicating the fantasy world in which Tom is living. Another musical cue associated with Gem, actually, is from Ghost River. To me, the melody of the line “what is it to dream o child of mine.” was adapted into her leitmotif, it’s a slow, sad version, indicating she’s lost her dreams and grown up, because she didn’t understand her father’s.
"Nothing's changed, has it? I'm not even a memory, am I? I'm just a blur, like always." Gem
I honestly empathise with Gem. She’s a lonely little girl trapped in an adult body who doesn’t understand why her father won’t love her as he used to.
What does Thomas falling indicate?
- He lets go of Mr White
- He stirs a bit from his sleep in real life
- He dodges the plane, dodging his father
- He lets go, and falls into the "pile of wood and rusted metal"
- He's ready to discover himself again.
When Thomas first wakes up from his fall, there are stars in his eyes. He’s in this wasteland, but maybe he doesn’t see it as much, perhaps he sees the potential in it, his idealism seeping through. We then meet Ann again, but far older.
"You’re crazy"
"I was, for a while"
This represents Ann’s suicide attempt, and how she hit Thomas incredibly personally with it, even if he didn’t want to admit it. She notes later that he didn’t even look at her.
Musically, Ann is cued by “slow, love, slow”. This song has the lyric “I wonder… Do I love you, or the thought of you?” To me, this lyric reminds me of Mr White and that tumultuous relationship with Tom’s father. Does he love the flawed, broken man, or the idealized pilot who survived a tornado?
Interestingly, Mr White was right when he warned that keeping the compass would only remind Thomas of his father. It points at the end of the movie between SW and SE, maybe indicating the sunrise and the sunset? Like one set of memories (Thomas’s) are setting, but now the others (Gem’s) are rising? It’s also cool that throughout the movie, the compass never points any particular direction. Thomas is directionless and confused, but he more just keeps the compass as a memento of his dad. The same can be said for the hand patch from Ann, but later he takes that off to write his last page, and then takes the compass off at the end, both of which allow him to remember Gem, his princess, one last time.
The Builder obviously represents the Doctor. But keeping that this is all playing out in Thomas’s mind, he represents Thomas’s reluctance to fix things, and his discontent. He insinuates that he won’t be fixed, so why should he even bother? The music, that slow, love, slow anthem, it’s all they hear, and it drives them mad. It could be that Thomas doesn’t want Ann’s wisdom, or that he doesn’t want to think about her because he’ll then remember what she did, and how that relates to the past with his father that he’s trying to forget. On top of this, we can see that Gem is the one given the autonomy of the situation, albeit a little girl version. Clearly, Thomas still sees Gem as a child, and honestly her and the Doctor come off quite catty and bratty, going off hand in hand. To Thomas, right now, they’re antagonistic, since they threaten to destroy his consciousness before he can piece it back together, especially the Doctor.
We then see Mr White again. Interestingly, the leitmotifs of “La La La” from Ghost River play when we see him again. We’re warned by the music itself that he is dangerous, interesting considering Thomas has a song for “every single thing in his life” Perhaps Ghost River is Mr White’s song, a song about drowning in the river of death?
The page with Song of myself and Taikatalvi is interesting to me. Matthew’s fairytale has been integrated into Thomas’s psyche, it’s a part of him, it’s now HIS story. But it’s also Gem’s story, too. We know Matthew struggled to believe in the magic, which to me is a clear parallel to Gem’s struggle to believe in her father’s stories. Song of myself, on the album, ends just as the movie does- “and there, forever remains, that change from G to Em”. In both versions of the song, the last page and the actual song, a father leaves his daughter behind, but suspends a story in time as he does, and reminding her to believe in the power of her imagination.
What is the significance of Mr White ummm...leaking onto the pages? Obviously its funny, but it's a metaphor within a puzzle. We see he’s in front of a building called “Career Achievement”. There’s a grand music hall called Whitman’s. Other signs include "Top of their game", "Whitman Tragedy", "Breaking up". This alley is full of essentially newspaper headings. Despite the fact that Thomas has done all these amazing things, to him it’s meaningless, foggy, dim. The alley is scary and unfamiliar, as his condition takes everything he’s done piece by piece, making the ink bleed and reduce to nothing. Because Thomas isn’t his father.
I also wondered if this scene could indicate that during one of Theodore’s alcoholic moments, perhaps Thomas saw him doing a similar thing to Mr White. Obviously this is incredibly creepy, but also suggests a further layer of Theodore’s emotional abuse, that being the two tickets to the circus. He tries to turn it around with fake promises and “fun”, but Thomas is understandably not having it, and instead runs into the music hall.
The music hall to me is incredibly interesting, I love the Jessica Rabbit vibes of Annette and how it communicates its story in a really unique and distinct way. The setting is definitely inspired by the 20s and 30s, it honestly gives me those old cartoon vibes, which is a fun play on the trope. We can likely assume the film takes place in the 2000s, so perhaps Thomas lived through a war, or has some recollection of this time, performing in dance clubs? I’m not sure honestly, but it’s got a really old and fun aesthetic.
“Slow, love, slow” is a song I have many feelings about. In the album, it feels a bit out of place. To me, the natural progression would be to (perhaps) put it next to Rest Calm, where it serves as the transition between the ending of that song and Last Ride of the Day, but in the movie I really like it alone, its uniqueness shines in this context. Thomas gets to confront his older self, asking why the arabesque is broken and what he’s done, recognizing clearly he made a mistake and yet can’t remember, he’s repressing it in order to avoid remembering his father. Ann is also dressed similar to the arabesque, luring him into that seductive sense of security, hiding the inner machinations that come later with her character, how they go from this warm, stoic jazz style to a nightmarish darkness.
Thomas also sees Ann again, and then is presented with a waitress trying to give Gem, his little girl, back what he broke after he painstakingly put it back together. Gem doesn’t want it, though, claiming what’s broken can’t be fixed, and that she doesn’t want it. This obviously indicates his actions have hurt her deeply, and that she doesn’t want to reconcile simply due to her own wounds. It’s also notable that the waitress is a stranger, she may resemble the arabesque but she’s also not a character we’ve yet seen, almost as if a middleman was used to try and communicate his apology to Gem, like Thomas couldn’t. Maybe it’s a symbol of how far he pushed her away, that he was so afraid of hurting her that couldn’t even give her back the arabesque himself, but still tried to present it on a silver platter. This obviously wouldn’t have the same effect as a sincere apology and a conversation between father and daughter, which is what Gem never had, and why she never understood him.
To me, the band also looks rigid, they look like the porcelain dolls or mannequins that they’re playing for. Even Gem only sways slightly, it reminds me a bit of the metronome used at the end of slow, love, slow. The apple also switches between a microphone and an apple at intervals. It suggests temptation and power, pleasure and luxury, but also death and sin. Ann drags her hand against the piano, drawing the gaze and tempting you to keep watching her. She’s powerful, all eyes on her, and everything looks rigid RIGHT until Mr White gets closer and starts banging on the door. Then, movement comes in, which will come into play in one of my favorite scenes later.
"You had a song for every little thing in your life. It's a shame it had to end."
I like this quote, it sums up a lot of Thomas’s existence.
We then see Theodore properly. Not the idealized version, but the sad, broken alcoholic who didn’t have time for his son and left him alone. Now I understand that depression and grief are absolute beasts, I’ve been there, but I feel awful for poor Thomas, he probably thought it was his fault, like Mr White says, that his dad got sick of him. Theo, notably, is dressed in his official uniform. It can represent two things- the last outfit Thomas saw him in, and how he idolizes his father’s memory.
Theodore also never gave Thomas any last words. After Thomas called him “sir”, Theo didn’t say anything, but he looked like he might.
My favourite fuckin line
Gem: How did you get in here?
Ann: It's a magic trick. I can't reveal the secret, but it involved a brick UvU
Interestingly, the song “I want my tears back” plays overtop the line “you were always the most important part of my life”. Symbolically, it could represent how Gem feels cheated, like she doesn’t think her father deserves her tears or attention, even though deep down she’s really hurting and just wants to know that she’s loved.
Okay, this next scene is one of my two favorite scenes. There’s so much to unpack, so let’s dive into Scaretale.
We start with the snowman dragging Thomas to the circus, practically, he’s trying to escape his hold as I put in the quote earlier. Furthermore, Thomas runs into the circus in hopes of escaping, but is greeted with a nightmare, his own childhood nightmare of clowns, terror, the one he told his father about. This nightmare in turn is bleeding into memories of his father, because both of them represent parts of childhood he longs to forget. We can infer that Thomas never even went to the circus, considering what his father did the night before, at least not until he took Gem, so he’d associate it with blood and death and broken promises instead of light and laughter.
There are quite a few beautifully done juxtapositions in this scene, like how the older Gem first calls out “daddy!” and then is presented at the same age, but now she’s joined the troupe. The actress did a great job with this scene, she really looks creepy and contorted, especially since we see Gem as often quite stiff-lipped and sullen. I also wonder what the significance is of Ann biting into the apple and it spilling ink. It could represent a few things: Thomas’s memories of her attempted suicide, Thomas’s written memories either as being “chewed on” (as in he’s thinking about them and they’re coming to mind), or how toxic Gem and Ann first see them as, since they’re a song of himself and not of Gem, as well as seeming like nonsense at first. The clown imagery on Gem’s dress really comes into play here too, as she takes a saw and takes her place picking her father’s mind apart. Memories of his wife are all but gone, more and more memories fading away as the magician makes them, literally, disappear, all whilst a terrifying troupe of clowns scream at little Thomas and stop him reaching his older self. But one memory stops Gem from proceeding, the very same memory that in reality helps her make sense of everything. That memory of the first thing Thomas did differently to his father- taking his child to the circus.
On a little side note, the first time we watched this movie I actually looked away at the saw scene because I wasn’t sure how much they’d show. It really hit hard and gave me the shivers!
We see how agitated Mr White is by the memory, he doesn’t like how Thomas is chasing the best memory, and keeps trying to distract and degrade him, but nothing works. At first, he tries to distract him from the arabesque by taking him on an adventure, then tries to distract him from the broken track (representing his mind). He tries to distract him from the music hall with a trip to the circus, and then further distracts him from memories of his father (and in turn, rediscovering his daughter) with memories of his nightmares. He insists that Gem, playing this role as the daughter taking revenge, shouldn’t change anything- "Don't change it, you're wrecking it"- but Mr White can’t stop how Gem is fighting back, and how Thomas is acutely aware of it. As I said, fiction bleeds into reality in this film, so perhaps somehow he can feel himself getting closer to her, reaching out to her as she reads his memories. Perhaps as he discovers more of her, she discovers more of him. Perhaps, even on an insanely meta level (and I personally don’t think this works but I like the idea), maybe the entirety of Thomas’s dreams are what Gem imagines his journey looking like. Perhaps in reality, she’s traversing the Imaginaerum through the lens of her dad, discovering his life before her, and how she changed it for the better. It’s probably not exact and the Imaginaerum definitely invites the audience to take it literally, but I like the idea.
The Scaretale sequence is one that invites the viewer to experience a nauseous curiosity. Peek inside the head of a terrified, broken man and watch him lose himself, only to marvel as he remembers a memory that differentiates him from the man he so sought to emulate but also so feared to become. And then…the rotating room sequence.
This sequence almost speaks for itself, the screams of the arabesque, the body language, the way little Thomas and Gem are positioned, it’s a wonderful use of a theater technique of a split scene, done in a very creative way by having them in essentially, a square tumble dryer. This is the scene where Theodore gives into his depression, and ends his life with his son in favour of dying. I understand the complexities of this decision, trust me, but I feel that since we see this film from Thomas’s perspective, Theodore was a little selfish to leave his boy to fend for himself like that. It’s also notable to see Thomas’s own action in this scene. No, he doesn’t die, but he instead destroys his relationship with his daughter all the same, and breaks the arabesque, the symbol of parental love. As it screams and twirls through the air, Theodore does the same as he falls back in his chair, symbolising how Thomas lost his father’s love, and takes the same love away from his daughter, by breaking something they adore. For Thomas, that was the father he idolised, and for Gem, that was her father’s precious arabesque. The breaking of both symbolises a loss of innocence. One retreats into stories and lies, and the other moves on and becomes cold and harsh. But both want to love, and be loved, they just don’t know how.
Thomas and Theodore in this scene are obviously parallels. They are two sides of the same coin, two men grieving their wives, two men who abandon their children. In many ways, Tom sees his father AS the arabesque in this moment, someone who once enchanted his life and now has stopped spinning. He had to prevent his bandmate, Ann, from doing the same thing as his father, and the same night lost the love of his life. In his rage, he loses the chance of a happy relationship with Gem.
And yet, one detail I love about this scene is the body language. Yes, the arabesque and Theo are one example, but Gem and Little Thomas are another, and they tell so much with just a few different actions. Some argue that Thomas abused Gem, but I don’t see this illustrated. Instead, I see a man who was lost in his own delusions, he never goes to strike her, but instead strikes the arabesque, striking his father instead. It is clearly shown that Gem isn’t afraid to approach her father, and her memories with him when she was little are happy, there is no indication that (until he began losing his mind) he’d ever harm her. He puts distance between himself and her, yes, but we can see from her body language that she runs in front of him and holds out the arabesque, indicating she’d (most likely) like to play or practice piano with him, we see she took comfort in him after her mother died, and likely didn’t understand due to her age. She was happy to share in his stories and never seemed to feel fear around him, but reality has hit Thomas now, so he breaks the representation of his delusions of his father and his imagination, but also his parental love for Gem. Subsequently putting it back together is indicative that he wants to repair that relationship, but it has a deeper effect by continuing to build up the idealised Mr Whitman, and force Thomas to try and block out the bad stuff, becoming lost in fantasy. On that same note of body language, though, Little Thomas is positioned behind Theodore. He’s scared, he never stands in front of Theo but always to the side or behind, since we see how easy it is for Theo to grab him and go to hit or threaten him. (the dream Thomas is in front of Theo, yes, but that’s not what happened in reality, he’s between the scenes of Gem and Theo in that moment). Little Thomas is behind the door, too afraid to come out and stop his father, too terrified of him and his temper to speak up or seek comfort in him despite his nightmare. He’s an afterthought in this situation, and I wonder if Theo (in his drunk, sorrowful state) even spared a thought for his son after not giving him any last words. By being behind Theodore, Little Thomas is shown to be unimportant, and the only time Theo even faces him head on is when he shoots himself and tips backward, toward his son who he has now left behind.
We then cut back to Gem. She’s hurting in so many ways, because she doesn’t truly realise how much she’s loved by her father, since he’s been so cold and distant to her. Yes, her being cold in return about his treatment might feel harsh, but perhaps it could be viewed as reciprocal in a sense? Since after her mother died he seemed to stop caring for her, now that he’s on the edge of death she wonders why she should care for him, why he deserves her love. And yet, as Ann notes, she’s doing it out of love, their family has no friend who would pressure her to do so, and her excuses won’t work on the wise older lady. It’s also notable that Gem herself doesn’t seem to have a support system, we don’t see too many calls, no mention of a partner, she’s essentially alone.
On that note, I want to talk about a line that little Gem says in the Slow Love Slow sequence. Specifically- “I’ll have what she’s having.” The double meaning in this line is brilliant. On the one hand, in the subsequent Scaretale scene, she literally has what Ann’s having, picking apart Tom’s mind in a haunting sequence, both of them essentially complicit in their malice. However, on a meta level, Gem IS having what Ann’s having. They’re both opening that safe, they’re both getting to see how Tom loved them and cared for them through his scribbles and writings… they’re having the same experience. And in this scene, we see the beginning of that. Gem having what Ann’s having, the experience of knowing who Tom is for the very first time.
"Bonjour mon general." Gem pauses, sarcastically says this. But to me, it sounds like play. A phrase they’d use for playtime, perhaps? In the sequence of Rest Calm/Wonderfields, which is my other favourite sequence, we see a scene that looks straight out of something like Wizard of Oz or Alice in Wonderland. Yes, Gem may have said that sarcastically, but when Thomas wakes up in the field of grass, the soldier says it too. The soldier, to me, is a stand-in for the connection made between Gem and Thomas, he’s a representation of their shared childhood, fostered into this twisted tin soldier. Interestingly enough, he calls Thomas “general”, which is actually higher than a pilot in terms of ranking, if we assume Theodore was just a pilot (I can’t tell from his badges and uniform, I’m not that well versed in army stuff haha). This suggests that Tom has ascended above the rank of his father, and is now treading his own path, the path of a soldier who walks amongst his fellow men, as opposed to alone. It’s also interesting that they bear his bed like a coffin, but he has the strength to get up and clamber alone, hinting toward the idea that we need others to help us, but we are the only ones who can really make changes (something Tom was avoiding with the arabesque globe previously, for example) We see that Mr White and Theodore are always presented as loners, aside from when they’re with Tom. Interestingly enough, by saying “Bonjour mon general”, it suggests that Gem holds her father in high regard, and this would likely do a lot for his self esteem. The soldier, one of my favourite characters, then continues to explain his role and what he symbolises. He’s made to help Thomas chase the very best memories, those that mean everything to him. As he notes, he best remembers Gem through childhood- "You remember best through the things you both shared as children. Like myself, or the pretty mademoiselle in the glass bubble."
It could be suggested that Tom thus redefined these childhood objects by sharing them with his daughter. Just as he shared the chords to his memories with her, he shared the circus that he never saw himself, the toys he played with, the arabesque his father gave him…he shared his own childhood with her, in hopes of raising her to be the best version of himself he could be. He reshaped his own trauma by refusing to hit her, though he still struck out due to his own mental anguish. Thomas created a magnum opus in Gem, because she was made from the best parts of him, and the love he fostered.
I love the rest calm sequence because of how it represents this connection between Gem’s childhood and his own. It also has personal ties to me because I somewhat could see myself in it, it led me to have a really good discussion with my best friend that I’d never been able to admit to before, and it helped me open up in a healthy way, unlocking a bravery in me that I didn’t even know I needed. I may be a weathered soldier, but I’m a soldier nonetheless.
After Gem and Ann and Thomas all simultaneously start piecing the memories together, the poor soldiers are ambushed, lil guys… but then we get the scene that cemented for me that Mr White wasn’t merely just an apparition of Thomas’s father as some people said, he was an apparition of how Thomas feels BECAUSE of his father.
"Your daddy had his fill of you, took his own life. The songbird tried the same trick. Then there's your little girl, she hates you. Nothing left if you ask me."
He represents the self-loathing that drives Thomas to forget, to believe he’s unfixable. He represents how depression can greet you as a friend, influence you to believe that harm is okay, convince you that you deserve misery and suffering. But deep down, Thomas knows it’s not true. Two questions- what does his hand wound represent? And what does the music mean?
Thomas’s hand wound represents how love can hurt, how fixing things can hurt, but it’s worth the pain. We see in a later sequence that he wrote his first pages with the blood that spilled from fixing the arabesque for Gem. Even if it wasn’t enough at the time to fix the globe, those same pages are now what’s healing their relationship, as both of them are healing from the past and moving forward, Gem having an opportunity to understand her dad and Thomas having a chance to find his daughter.
As for the music, I’m a little stumped but I have some ideas. The song chosen is the crow, the owl and the dove (I have a cover on my YouTube lol)
The crow: Theodore Whitman. A dark brooding influence full of pride and casting a shadow.
The owl: Ann. Old and wise, his voice of reason. At the start of the film, she literally pierces through his youth.
The dove: Gem. She seems calm and stoic, but he envies her love. Doves are associated with innocence.
The swan: Stumped me a bit, it could be Thomas himself, or Mr White, or even the arabesque. “I kissed her neck, adored her grace.”
I know the original song refers to potential previous band members, but in the context of the film, I wondered what it could mean.
In another reference to music, the spirals are songs and lyrics, such as the eulogy from Poet and the Pendulum. I would know that song anywhere since it’s a massive comfort song for me, and I also noticed the lyrics of Scaretale, Rest Calm and Slow, Love, Slow. Notably, all these songs include Annette as the singer, and I couldn’t make out any others amid the blur. It seems to suggest that this is an era with Thomas and Annette as the central focus.
From this point, the film is very literal. We see the doctor seeing Tom as a liability, whilst Tom fights for control over his memories, reconstructing the roller coaster track (aka his train of thought/memories) I don’t think I need to explain much else, other than the end of the movie brings all this beautiful symbolism together in a montage of moments of past and present, dreams and reality, bleeding as it does.
Thomas's memories
- Receiving the arabesque from his father
- watching his father die
- Composing music
- Taking the family picture
- Bonding over music and the arabesque with Gem, fostering her imagination
- The death of Tom's wife (sounds a little like song of myself mixed in with last ride of the day to me)
- breaking the arabesque
- cutting his hand whilst doing so
- Gem believing their relationship couldn't be mended so easily
"I'm all the future you'll ever have, buddy!"
"No, you won't take my life from me again!'
This last scene is where Tom finally chooses his own self over living in his father’s shadow. He chooses his self-esteem and self love over his hatred that he could never be his father, and in that final moment, he addresses Gem as himself, calling her his princess. He chooses love over abuse. Gem over Theodore. It’s also interesting that Mr White, once given back the compass, looks as if he wants to hug Tom. Almost as if he’s now reconciling the past with the future he hopes Gem will have.
The final ten-15 minutes of the film, to me.
They're as if music was given an image. Not to be analysed, but to be felt. They are crystallised in a realm of their own, and frozen like a single snowflake wafting through the trees. They are pure in their own interpretation, and they are moments of human emotion that cannot be explained by my words. They are simple. and that's what makes them so beautiful.
it doesn't matter why the arabesque spins, or what she means, or the deep symbolism. It just needs to be felt. That change from G...to E minor.
Thanks for reading 💛
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a-silent-symphony · 1 year ago
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The 4 songs Nightwish have only performed live once
They’ve been around for two-and-a-half decades and played nearly 1,000 shows, and through it all symphonic metal’s superstars have only performed these songs one time
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You can’t talk about symphonic metal without mentioning Nightwish. Not long after forming in the mid-1990s, Tuomas Holopainen’s majestic mavens became the measuring stick for the genre. They scored regular chart success in their native Finland while at the same time earning critical acclaim, thanks to their unencumbered, all-instruments-blaring vision.
Nightwish have written upwards of 100 songs since they started, and most of them have serenaded fans during their litany of live shows in that time. Hammer’s already listed the tracks that these maximalists have never once performed, but an even more exclusive club is that of the ones they brought out once then immediately scrapped. Below are the four songs Nightwish have only played live on a solitary occasion, according to setlist database setlist.fm.
Moondance (Oceanborn, 1998)
Nightwish’s debut, 1997’s Angels Fall First, was written and recorded with the intention of it being a demo, not a fully fledged studio album. As a result, it’s far more raw, rough and ready than anything else the Finns have ever unfurled. Followup Oceanborn swiftly chartered them down more grandiose avenues, and the instrumental Moondance is indicative of the more heroic sound the band craved: keyboardist Tuomas busts out a bombastic melody as his fellow musicians gallop along.
However, maybe because it would leave Nightwish’s vocalist with nothing to do for a bit, this segue’s only ever made the set once. It was at Club Feeniks in Turku, Finland, on February 13, 1999, performed as part of a broader instrumental suite towards the end of the night.
Sleepwalker (2000)
Oceanborn marked Nightwish’s commercial coming out party. Its lead single, Sacrament Of Wilderness, was the band’s first song to top the Finnish charts, then the album’s cover of Walking In The Air repeated that feat in 1999. Because of such success, the maestros decided to battle for a spot at the 2000 Eurovision Song Contest, hoping to represent their home nation with a newly written piece, Sleepwalker.
Sleepwalker won the public vote when Nightwish made their case on national TV to stand for Finland, but the scores of a judging panel brought them down to third place overall. The bid was disappointingly dashed, meaning that the sole performance of this song was to those stuffy judges in Helsinki on February 12, 2000.
Meadows Of Heaven (Dark Passion Play, 2007)
Nightwish brought the tour for 2007’s Dark Passion Play to an end in poetic fashion. Meadows Of Heaven is the final song on album six (the first to feature Anette Olzen behind the mic), and it ends 75 minutes of cinematic metal in appropriately operatic form. Its live debut was saved for the very last show the band played before retreating into the writing room to dream up Imaginaerum, aptly closing the main set.
Nightwish didn’t return to the stage until 2012, by which point they had 75 more minutes and 13 more songs in their arsenal. Unsurprisingly, then, Meadows Of Heaven became a one-and-done, but it served its role beautifully the one time it did rear its head.
Pan (Human :||: Nature, 2020)
Like many, many other metal bands, Nightwish saw the pandemic through by replacing the touring they should have done for 2020’s Human :||: Nature with a livestream. Actually, strike that: they hosted two. The band played a two-night set, dubbed An Evening With Nightwish In A Virtual World, which marked the debut of numerous songs from the preceding album, including Shoemaker, Tribal and Noise.
The only one that didn’t make it onto real-life stages was Pan. It’s a shame, as not only does the song continue Nightwish’s overblown ways unabated, but it flaunts some pretty gnarly riffs to boot. Sadly, though, the fact remains: this anthem was dispatched following its livestream debut. And, given that Nightwish are currently gearing up to release Human :||: Nature’s successor, it’s unlikely it’ll get its time in the sun.
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tj-dragonblade · 11 months ago
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Perfume of the Timeless
I did not realize how much I missed the full orchestra on the last album until I got it back, holy shit.
That bass, god bless. Jukka sweetie you're doing amazing thank you for being here
Seriously I adore the strings but every little nuance of brass or winds just has me 🥹
The transitions from intros to verses to choruses to bridge bits to outros, this is a wild juddering soundscape sweeping me along like a branch in the rapids over the falls finally eddying into slow-spinning shallows and I am here for this ride, 100%
The drums, man. Troy's e-bow shining through here and there. And the keys, all throughout, but especially the piano melody with the harp and the additional keys trickling over all the bottom-end instruments as the song winds down, the vocals fluttering underneath. God
The build and the pacing of the intro take me right back to Imaginaerum, I love these notes of familiarity in the new
I love the way the orchestral melodies wind in and out along the vocal melody, matching up and dancing off in counterpoint again it's so fkng good
Floor, Floor, in beautiful powerful form as always. Never stop
Emppu, I know you're in there, i hear you I'm just. Really bad at focusing on guitar bits in this sonic tapestry, sorry. I expect you'll shine more prominently on other tracks
I see a lot of comments on the mix. Yeah, sure, Floor is sunk back into the music more than when they perform live. That's been my experience with their albums always? I am perhaps not audiophile enough to find it unlistenable, or truly relate to what the complaints are getting at. I appreciate the studio albums for how well I can hear all the instrumental elements, how everything balances vs the live performances, where they let the vocals shine and hush the backing elements. I'll tell you a secret: there are a great many songs from all the singers where I still don't know what they're singing without looking up the lyrics. There are many factors involved and the mix is only one of them. So yes, I think I get what the dissatisfaction is about, but I can't say I share it. (Yes, I know, we're not getting live versions of this for years if ever. My opinion remains unchanged)
For real, though, listen to that bass. Beautiful
It's a short 8 minutes (but then again, 8 minutes isn't really 'long' in Nightwish terms, is it). I am so, so excited for the rest of the album. And hoping perhaps we'll get another single between now and September.
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black-arcana · 8 months ago
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NIGHTWISH's TUOMAS HOLOPAINEN Doesn't Rule Out Second Solo Album
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In a new interview with Finland's Tuonela magazine, Tuomas Holopainen — the keyboardist and main songwriter of NIGHTWISH — was asked if there is a chance of a follow-up to his solo album based on a graphic novel called "The Life And Times Of Scrooge McDuck", written and illustrated by Don Rosa. "Music Inspired By The Life And Times Of Scrooge - Written And Produced By Tuomas Holopainen" came out in April 2014 via Nuclear Blast.
Tuomas said (as transcribed by BLABBERMOUTH.NET): "It's not that long ago that I had this idea — it's kind of a musical idea — that I got really excited about. And I was thinking we can't do this with AURI and we can't really do this with NIGHTWISH either. So maybe another solo project kind of thing at some point in the future. I don't know. It's so early still, but maybe.
"After I finished doing 'Scrooge' 10 years ago, I thought this was a one-timer," he continued. "'Never again. Don't really need [to do another one]. But if there comes an idea that doesn't fit AURI or NIGHTWISH, maybe I have to go solo again. And both bands are musically so varied that you can do almost anything with those two labels. But if the theme would be something that the other bandmembers can't really relate to, then I might have to turn to the option of going solo. That's what happened with 'Scrooge'. I mean, the NIGHTWISH members don't have such an intimate relationship with a duck as I do. [Laughs] So that's why I had to go solo."
Regarding the possibility of him performing material from "The Life And Times Of Scrooge McDuck" live at some point, Tuomas said: "Um, I don't know. It would be an interesting experience. I know that album has a bit of a cult status already and that it would be a success. But at the moment, I'm not really feeling it. But I've learned never to say never. So let's see.
"I've been asked to do the whole album a few times, actually, even on main stage of a rock and roll festival on Saturday night," he added. "I don't think it would have worked, but we have to wait and see."
"Music Inspired By The Life And Times Of Scrooge - Written And Produced By Tuomas Holopainen" contained 10 songs, with total duration of approximately 60 minutes. The music was said to be in the soundtrack / classical / folk genre in the vein of Vaughan Williams, Michael Nyman, James Newton Howard and Enya.
Pip Williams did the orchestral arrangements for the "Life And Times Of Scrooge" disc, continuing his collaboration with Tuomas after the NIGHTWISH records "Once", "Dark Passion Play" and "Imaginaerum".
There were a number of guest musicians appearing on "Life And Times Of Scrooge", including the London Orchestra, The Metro Voices (a choir from London) and four lead vocalists: Alan Reid, Johanna Kurkela, Johanna Iivanainen and Tony Kakko. Other guest appearances included Troy Donockley (uilleann pipes, low whistles, bodhran),Mikko Iivanainen (guitars and banjo),Teho Majamäki (didgeridoo),Jon Burr (harmonica) and Dermot Crehan on the solo violin. The recordings took place during August - October 2013, first at Angel Studios in London, then in various locations around Scotland and Finland.
NIGHTWISH's new album, "Yesterwynde", is due on September 20, 2024 via Nuclear Blast. It marks the band's tenth studio LP, following on from the release of "Human. :II: Nature." in 2020.
Photo credit: Tim Tronckoe (courtesy of Nuclear Blast)
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lightineventide · 7 months ago
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Soooo, Nightwish's Yesterwynde, huh!?
I have only one way to sum up my thoughts:
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Maybe I didn't have high expectations? Nevertheless, listening to it brought me back to the time when I listened to Imaginaerum for the first time - the whole thing felt like a fairytale. The opening/closing sounds, the songs progressing as if they were one... Yes, Floor's voice is weirdly mixed, yes, some parts feel more boring/strange, but like... such oddities are the Nightwish signature in my mind. Either you love it or it doesn't quite sit right with you. That's been my experience at least with all their albums...
Favourite songs: An Ocean Of Strange Islands, The Children Of 'Ata, Lanterlight (I see why this one is being hyped 🥰), The Weave
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disasterwriter · 1 year ago
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THEY ABSOLUTELY SURE AS HELL DID!!
METAL BANDS WHO MAKE SYMPHONIC VERSIONS OF THEIR SONGS (powerwolf, sabaton, fleshgod apocalypse and now ice nine kills) MY BELOVED
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Tracklist:
Taikatalvi • Storytime • Ghost River • Slow, Love, Slow • I Want My Tears Back • Scaretale • Arabesque • Turn Loose The Mermaids • Rest Calm • The Crow, The Owl And The Dove • Last Ride Of The Day • Song Of Myself: From A Dusty Bookshelf, All That Great Heart Lying Still, Piano Black, Love • Imaginaerum
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the---hermit · 2 years ago
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hello cris! i would love to ask as someone who is currently learning a language (i'm currently trying to learn italian again for the nth time) what are your favorite techniques when it comes to learning a language? i've been trying to study italian for two years now but i always end up giving up immediately 😭🫶🏻
Hello anon!
Firstly I had a vague memory of talking about this before and I checked my masterlist so in case you want to read more here is another similar ask I answered to a while back and here an ask in which I meanioned a few italian fiction books for people who are learning. I'll be honest I did not reread those and I don't remember what I wrote lmao. But you have some more reading to do after this just in case!
At the moment the main language I am very slowly trying to learn is Irish. But I will be honest it's more a free time hobby than actual studying. In the sense that I don't have a schedule for it and I have ups and downs in which I am able to focus a bit more, and times like the past few months in which my energy is nowhere to be found so I do very little progress. The main way I am dping this is with duolingo, which I feel is a great way to start and to keep a tiny bit of practice in your everyday life which is fundamental. Of course if you want to have more progress I would suggest coming up with a more structured study plan and schedule, but I'll talk about it in a bit. The other thing I am implementing is a grammar book that of course is what requires more mental energy. My technique with that is, as everything I study, to read it, underline important things and write my own set of notes. That is because I know it is my main way of learning in general.
And with this we come to a important point, before getting into learning anything try to figure out what are the ways you learn things best. Everyone's brain works differently, I personally have awful memory and my brain works way better using logic (which is why the way duolingo is structured works wonders for me, because it forces me to learn grammar rules with logic and it repeats vocabulary so much that even I end up memorizing it). Writing notes down, even several times, is my go to way of learning in general so of course I focus a lot on that. Clearly with learning a language you also need to implement a lot of practice, which is way I recommend trying out a well made plan. This doesn't mean create insane goals that will make you feel overwhelmed. Instead create a low effort plan in which you regularly do a bit of everything:
Learn vocab and practice it
Learn new grammar rule and practice them
Work on booktext esercises
Active learning with a book
Active learning with a video
These are just some ideas. When I self studied english what really made me learn the language was active learning by immersing myself with the language. That forces you to learn. Watch youtube videos in italian (I am pretty sure there's some people who make specific videos for language learnera in which they speak slowly and focus on certain vocab, so I highly recommend those, but when you feel more comfortable with the language go for pure entertainment, that will have you learn actual spoken Italian which is of course different from textbooks). Approach the language with written texts with either children's books or those novels simplified for language learning (those are great because you often get exercises to practice how much you understood of the story).
I know I have probably mentioned it before, but the first way I got into self studying English when I was younger was by writing down lyrics to my favourite album. I think I have it lying around still, a notebook filled with the lyrics to all the songs from Imaginaerum by Nightwish next to the translations. Listening to music in your target language is such a good trick imo. Take my brother, the guy does not speak one word on English but he knows by heart all the lyrics to Iron Maiden songs all.of.them. he never really had to practice English but if he had to I would suggest he started there. The more you get your target language into your daily life the better it is, and I don't mean just learning from books. Force yourself to describe the room you are in in your target language, write about your days in a diary and do that in your target language. When you are waiting in line list all the words that come up to you in your target language. It's hard at first, of course it is, but with time it gets easier and easier. The final goal is to be able to think in your target language, even if the grammar isn't perfect and it takes a long time to remember the correct words.
Think of yourself as a young child. They are learning languages like you, starting from zero, so focus on things that are for them, books and movies. You cannot expect to learn a language like a native speaker of your age right away, they have years of experience speaking it. If you instead think of yourself as a kid you will approach things that are at your current level, and after you can move on from there.
I think the goal is to make a plan and to fit even the tiniest bit of language learning into your everyday life. The progress might be slow but you are training your brain anyway. When you see something isn't working change it up, give yourself reachable goals, and keep it fun.
I hope this was somewhat helpful! If you have any other questioms my inbox is always open. Buona fortuna!
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