#I'm not a proshipper

[spielen-verrueckt]

Hey have you seen this yet? I'm not too familiar with American laws (being non-American myself) but I'm wondering what would this actually mean for Kyle if pleaded not guilty?

I know his professional career is over given the mere affliction of the crime and how many of you he has hurt, but I'm worried he'll still continue his awfulness in a much more "quiet" capacity now ; ;

https://twitter.com/_bevellon/status/1816368076474179766?t=6sS6uqVUiCQ3LPHHcV67uQ&s=19

Due to a ransomware attack on the county legal department in LA, his court hearing is delayed and will be on August 30th, in a month, unfortunately. Apparently we don't actually know yet, sadly. This person on twitter is regularly updating the news on the kyle situation.

Please know IDK anything about the legal system, but iirc his court thing is a hearing and not a trial, there is no pleading guilty or innocent, he's straight up guilty. I could be wrong on this so don't take my word for it.

im lowkey kinda scared he might kill himself before facing justice cus he's gonna be free for a long ass time

[entity56]

i dont participate in shipping discourse but the one time i did i got an anti proshipper telling me that anything bad ever portrayed in fiction means the creator and those who enjoy it endorse it including stuff like violence and murder and ive never met someone so Urban White Mom,

[manybrokenquills]

Y'all, we shipped founding fathers. Founding. Fathers.

And you're pressed about a wlw ship?

Blinks like so hard.

[fallenangelflonne]

> “this youtuber is a PEDOPHILE! they SEXUALIZE MINORS!”

> look inside

> fictional characters

[fadedgarter]

If you're an anti who says "you deserve it" to proshippers who have been abused/raped you are supporting rapist's and abusers.

[duckthisone]

it's telling that people's first response to artistic freedom is often accusing the OP of having bad hygiene, being ugly, or smelling bad. it's like all of the leftist activism about not equating hygiene and looks with morality and understanding how health conditions affect hygiene habits was all performative bullshit. it shows just how immature they really are to resort to thought-terminating clichés with the depth of a playground insult instead of making an argument and standing by it.

[soda-pop-lol]

If you harass anyone over fiction, please block me, because you do realize you're harassing (real) people over (fictional) characters?

And please don't get mad at me, I'm just sick of people harassing others.

I don't condone the things if they we're done to real people or done in real life.

[unorthodoxdeviant]

Normalize proshippers having squick's

What's a trope you dislike or just get uncomfortable viewing? What's something that gives you the heebie jeebies and makes you want to look away?

Mine is toddlercon, love my freaks who enjoy it. But man my eyeballs can't handle it

[5typesoftrash]

if you are pro-censorship, you are not my ally. Not in feminism, not in queerness, not in anti-racism. Bad actors aren't going to just censor the things you don't like; they won't stop. Sure, they'll sweep over the explicit incest and pedophilia, but then, just like the fancop teenagers have, they will start stretching those definitions to include everything that they dislike. Calling queer people pedophiles is a textbook example of queer oppression; you don't think conservatives are gonna use that as an excuse to burn books about trans joy and wlw/mlm experiences? Because they will.

If you are pro-censorship, you are not my ally.

[huntinglove]

From the creators of "He would not fucking say that" comes the brand new "He would not be this fucking good at sex"

[fight-nights-at-freddys]

IT IS DONE

(not really bc i'll continue to update it as i find more studies to link but. for now, it's done)

the other versions are linked in the carrd ^^

[secretfandomthoughts]

"Ew proshipping stuff!!!"

First of all wtf does that define and second of all MA'AM YOU ARE 21 YOU CANNOT STILL BE SHOCKED BY FANDOM WEIRDNESS 💀💀💀

[shrimpmandan]

Legit I think the reason why so many indie fandoms end up so fucking rancid so quickly is because you people are TERRIFIED of consuming anything on your own terms. In trying your hardest to "respect creator boundaries" you VIOLATE them by badgering them about things like ships and NSFW content which they can't control the existence of, and by constantly asking them loaded questions about what you're "allowed" to do.

Guess what? You can do literally anything you want. The bottom line is you don't involve the creator in it. Sure, yes, some creators like to be involved in their fandoms, but that's them bringing THEMSELVES into it, not the fandom thrusting itself onto them in a desperate plea for validation. Stop asking creators for validation. Stop showing them potentially triggering content to ask how they feel about it. Stop white knighting for them because you've taken it upon yourself to assert a boundary on their behalf. S T O P I T .

[colorfullyminded]

TLDR

Okay I cannot believe I'm about to go off like this, but this has been bothering me for awhile, and it's only making me more spiteful. I have been enjoying the influx of Billford art lately. Amazing, great wonderful. What I have Not been enjoying, is the absolute vitriol the Billdip fans have been getting since the influx of TBOB. I was a billdip shipper for awhile. Hell I was a billdip shipper when I was a Parapines shipper-- I liked shipping Dipper with boys. I was also like 14 or 15 at the time. Obviously, if you follow me now, you'll probably notice what my main ship for Dipper is. I grew out of Billdip, and moved on to Pinescone. I have been shipping Pinescone for 10 years. However, not once did I go around saying "Lol, glad I matured and became a better person and shipped something healthier", nor did I post in the billdip tag, condeming people for a fictional ship! And saying mine was better because it was less problematic.

"I'm really glad people stopped shipping Bill and Dipper together. Bill is a 1000 year old triangle demon, and Dipper is 13--" Stop. Repeat what you just said.

"Bill is 1000 year old triangle--"

Repeat that last word to me. "....triangle?" TRIANGLE! I'm sorry what?! This ship is already completely wild enough. You're getting mad at this fictional age gap-- AND BILL IS A FUCKING SHAPE! A FUCKING SHAPE! This ship was weird from the moment GO! And Billford isn't any better. IT'S STILL A SHIP WITH A FUCKING SHAPE! And you're going to sit on your high horse and look down on the Billdip community. On top of it-- they have an age gap too! Bill is still thousands of years old or whatever-- however long it's been, who knows? And Ford was in his 20s or so when he met Bill. That's still a huge, ridiculous age gap-- that Bill could easily use and manipulate; which he did....and then also caught feelings and became a sad ex, but that's beside the point~ Both of these ships are still insane. And again, the bigger thing I think people are just ignoring about these ships--is that Bill is a TRIANGLE! THREE LINES CONNECTED TOGETHER! And this is the hill you're going to die on? ...Cause apparently it's mine. First of all-- as many people pointed out-- Ford Pines did not exist until the second half of the final season. People couldn't ship Fordbill because there wasn't any Ford to introduce.

"Well, even before Ford, I never shipped Billdip! I always disliked it." ...Okay, that's totally fine. Not everyone needs to like or agree on the same ship. Lord knows there's probably people who don't really care for Pinescone either. There's a lot of popular ships that I can't stand. But I'm don't go into a ship tag I don't like, screaming to a void for self validation. I don't go around mocking other people for ships that they had in 2014-- or even still today! It doesn't matter! I did that when I was a kid-- and then realized that was rude, and it was better to just ignore the ships I didn't like and enjoy the ones that made me happy. And grow a community of kind, like minded friends. And listen, I am all for safe spaces and being able to block things that make you uncomfortable. I am not saying people who find the BillDip ship uncomfortable to be idiots or babies or overly sensitive-- or anything like that. I think if something makes you uncomfortable, that is okay and I think it's perfectly fine to blacklist a tag that you don't want to see. I also think it's imperative that people tag things as accurately as they can so people looking at your work can know if one of your pieces has a thing that they don't like-- and therefore can avoid. What I don't appreciate is the fanhate for this ship that is sprouting up like weeds. You can not like something, you can be disgusted by it (I have my Gravity Falls ships I can not stand, nor do I feel comfortable with), but attacking real people for a FICTIONAL SHIP-- two characters who are drawings on a piece of paper and can not be affected mentally, physically or emotionally by fanwork; who still retain the same shape after everything we put them through-- to the point that you send death threats, or threaten to Doxx, or just harass relentlessly, I have always found that more childish and disgusting. You are causing real world pain to people. Me fucking up Dipper Pines is not going to do anything to him-- because he doesn't actually exist. He's a cartoon character. I could squash him and stretch him in Wonka's taffy machine--- I could throw him mock speed at a wall and watch him explode on impact-- but he still exists. He's not dead; I can pick him up and dust him off, and If I wanted-- I could decide that eh, 'Not a scratch on him'. And I'd be right. Because he is a cartoon character, and I am just a fangirl. I can not change anything about him-- I have no ability to make anything I headcanon canon. And even if I was the original artist-- it doesn't change the fact that Dipper would still be nothing more than a creation. A construct of shapes; he can not be hurt or traumatized in a way that leads to real life consequences-- because he is not real. I am not a cartoon character. My friends are not cartoon characters. Artist and Writers who stay in their lane...are not cartoon characters. If you hurt us...it will linger. It will leave a scar. If you can not tell the difference between Fiction and Reality, then I think maybe media might be too much to handle-- and I think you need to really reevaluate yourself.

And just to vent some other things that i keep seeing that are frustrating: You can't claim the twins are only 13-- and then on August 31st go "Happy 20-something Birthday Mabel and Dipper!" And then proceed to drop a picture of them as adults. Well which is it? Do they age or not? Because Gravity Falls showed them canonically aging. If you think the twins age-- then you can't suddenly turn around and go, 'no you can't ship them-- Dipper is a child!' but you drew him as an adult. So sorry, it looks like you can't draw the twins grown up anymore. You claimed they're 13, so better draw them 13 forever--. Aged up stories and works exist for a reason, especially for a fan who grew up on the series. The characters might have grown up alongside them. It's not unlikely for a person to ship Billdip when Dipper is much older.

And on that note, for people who are like 'well older billdip is fine-- it's just people shipping him during the show that deserve to die.' Okay... and like I said, this rant is coming from a recent influx of Billford shippers spitting on Billdip shippers. You know? The TOXIC Old Man Yaoi!

You're still shipping something that is problematic. You are still shipping something twisted and wrong. And I am not judging you. I am here for this divorced arc. I am thriving. But you can't just pick and choose what is and isn't okay. And let me first off explain; if there is something that personally triggers you about a toxic ship, and you want to avoid that-- again, perfectly understandable. Perfectly reasonable. You are the makers of your content space. And I am not judging anyone for that. I want people to be safe. I want people to have a good time in fandom spaces. I want people to not have to deal with the things that upset them or frighten them, or disgust them. But you can not say one is fine, and one is not. They're both bad! They're both toxic. In real life, these ships would both be charged with serious crimes! And yes, there are some crimes that are worse than others, and if you asked me what I thought was more problematic-- I'd say Billdip-- but both of these ships are extreme, and severe in their problematic content. You are still consuming problematic content. If it's a personal thing, that's fine; avoid it. But don't sit there throwing stones from your glass house.

[justproshiprants]

Antis will repeatedly scream about being jumpscared by "'proship"" content and I'm just like. Where??? Where are you finding the hordes of people in this relatively small, anti-filled fandom posting about a comship? Everytime I try to look for a comship in a lot of the fandoms I like, at least half of the posts aren't about the actual ship, but rather people complaining about the ship, while all of the ship content is months or even years old. WHERE IS THE CONTENT YOU ARE SPEAKING OF?

[ogachukwu-the-freak]

Can't fucking stand Black Butler antis, YES my favorite scene was the fucking asthma scene bitch AND???? I'M WEIRD? WHY DID YOU WATCH AN ANIME WITH CLEARLY SUGGESTIVE SCENES LIKE THAT HUH???

SPEAK UP.