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[ID in ALT] I've made posts before about Talia/Dick co-parenting Damian moments (will never happen but let me dream) and this came to me in a vision. Took me ages to finish for some reason š and then even longer to post
#dc comics#dc#damian wayne#dick grayson#talia al ghul#batfamily#dc robin#nightwing#anyway. yes im a self-indulgent ''dick as damians secret third parent'' truther#like i DO think it's way more complex and nuanced than the schmoopy affectionate fan portrayal of it#they're brothers they're father and son they're partners they're the dynamic duo except only in past tense etc etc#but consider! I'm not immune to schmoopy affection in fanworks. it compells me despite itself#anyway it's technically not that crazy when it comes to dick and damian. they hug! often! at least they did#it's not as big a leap to these types of scenarios#also talia ''somewhat absent for complex reasons on both her and damians part but very loving and loved by her son'' al ghul#you will always be famous to me#son of the demon origin...bwahhh#anyway. someone made a comic kind of like this/like a post i made abt this topic#but way funnier bc dick and talia starting trying to beat each other up#so go look at that as well#anyway. it's been a somewhat difficult few weeks so I'm. desperately trying to take it easy#i got some reading with me (first vol of kevin smiths GA run that i found second hand and jaimes BB run vol 2!)#so we'll see how far i get through those. considering there's demons in my head telling me to re-read things (LET ME OUT!!!)#when i finish GA and BB i do plan on rereading robin 2021. as a treat to myself#it's a run I've really warmed up to as time went on#I'm keeping up w/ the current b&r run even though it is. admittedly very slow w/ some weird dialogue#i read it for the damian content more than anything. also nikas back so that's neat :]#idk I have a feeling that after absolute power shakes out we might get some more creative team switch ups#so if anyone at dc is interested in taking over the reigns on b&r...that could be very neat#mine
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fighting back? against who? they're so happyāthey've been waiting for you.
you are wonderful. don't you know that?
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bonus: they play sims together :)
#running out of pre-made art for the queueā¦ ;; sorry folks. hope you enjoy this though! you voted for it o7#utdr#wd gaster#gaster fanart#utdr fanart#deltarune fanart#deltarune#kris deltarune#utdr player#utdr soul#neyās art#neyās comics#if gaster was ever an enemy in the actual story i feel like itād be like this. antagonistic but not behaving maliciously for fun#just dial up his genuine affection for the world to an extreme and make it tinged with Scientific Interest#bam. disconnected and maybe unintentional damage. baked with love from the void#ā¦ i do love a good edgy evil guy though. and the goofy takes are favorites too.#btw lowkey this is based on how much the fandom collectively (i think?) loves kris#like yes go blorbo we want to see you overcome all challenges :)#our buddy took all this trouble of taking us to build-a-vessel and someone just stomped on it when we finished :( rude
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Remember: The burning sensation is part of the process.
#Mouthwashing#blood#body horror#Emphasizing here that this is in reference to a media and character and not a cry for help on my end.#Mouthwashing is one of those games that tickles my brain and checks all the boxes for my niche interests -#-but it wasn't something that got the silly comic part in my cortex firing up. My analysis brain is eating well though!#What said...It is impossible for me to see this scene and not say out loud: āMe in the middle of my work day".#While there is a lot more going on with curly I personally resonated a lot with his struggles with burnout.#Burnout feels like mouthwash to me. That you keep rinsing out your mouth trying to get rid of the rotting smell#but it's just surface level solutions. The real cure requires something far more significant to actually make a difference.#The job 'is hard' and 'everyone struggles'. It's part of the process right? You're tired? Anxious? Depressed? Us too! Chin up!#Actually I resonated with a lot of things within Curly (this is a curly positive space - he's not perfect. He's just human).#One thing being his desire to see the good in people and believe in their potential.#Because here's the thing. Some people truly do just need someone in their corner who stands by them so they can grow and improve.#And some people will take advantage of your kindness. You focus so much on their humanity while you stop being a person to them.#The horrifically toxic relationship persists because Curly tries to see the bigger picture and believes in the good within.#Anyone who has lived through constantly trying to reframe the hurt as something else knows-#-just how many excuses your brain will make to avoid cognitive dissonance. It's human psychology.#Jimmy sucks so bad. But we the audience have the privilege of not having years of baggage associating him in our minds as 'friend'.
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do you have youtube channel?
technically yes, but I just use it to host unlisted videos for embedding, so there's nothing, like, public on it. :') sorry! I basically don't post anywhere except here and occasionally on pixiv (in case it's not obvious, I suck at social media).
#god help me if i ever have to rely on it as a career because i will immediately die#i like being in one place where people can follow or block as they choose and not have to keep blocking me everywhere#fediverse seems like it would be ideal for that but i haven't seen any that have the thing that i really like about tumblr#which is that tags can work both as a cloud (like if i tag something as 'art' it shows up in the tag feed for 'art)#and also isolated (if you come to my blog and click the 'art' tag you can see only my posts tagged 'art')#(if there's a term for that i do not know it)#i might just be missing if there are any like that though#the people who i tend to look to for this kinda thing are mostly interested in straight-up twitter clones#which is...let's say less than ideal for posting art or organizing anything#so at this point if tumblr goes down i'll probably just take it as a sign to quit social media entirely ( į )#(my apologies i did not mean for this to turn into a tag novella)
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not enough discussion about the gavins' complicated relationship with feminine-coded/beauty products, i don't think.
#for klavier because it's not as direct it's about how we never see him actually wearing lipstick? even though apollo literally attends#a concert of his which is where you'd most expect him to wear makeup. but apparently he just doesnt. or at least not in public#klavier gavin#kristoph gavin#i feel like there are several ways you can read into it. the misogyny/toxic masculinity one is really obvious clearly with kristoph's#singling out of men specifically and klavier's (probably accidental?) condescending manner of calling women 'fraulein' plus his general#mildly patronising attitude towards many of the women in the game (also probably unintentional)#(i think he's trying to be charming and it's coming off wrong to some of them. like ema. and me.)#but i feel like there's also maybe an element of... inherent perfecfionism to it? like both of these products are conventionally beautifyin#products and kristoph while he is open to showing people he uses nail polish specifically chooses one that's clear and missable unless you#see him apply it. he also feels the need to justify his use of it and specifically spell it out as something he chooses to do rather than#needs to do even though duh. that should be obvious.#idk there's just something about his seeming need to take control of that narrative that i find interesting. his need to spin it into a#'there's nothing wrong with my nails but I had the foresight to see that even the smallest parts of my appearance should be kept immaculate#and it's a choice i'm making to refine an already adequate part of my personage /not/ to cover some unsightly defect.' the need to emphasis#that specifically is so. hm. and with klavier i could see it being a case of him liking makeup liking the pops of colour yet being unwillin#to admit to it because he's afraid that other people might see it as him being dissatisfied with his own appearance regardless of if he is#or isn't. or even just perceiving colourful makeup as being unseemly because it's so overt and unnatural.#like i can see this as them both viewing 'real' beauty to be that which is inherent to a person and seemingly effortless#thus somehow negating the beauty which one achieves through cosmetics or other external means.#and if you want to use external means to achieve beauty or neatness or whatever then your only valid options are those which blend into you#natural state. like clear nail polish. or really awful spray tan.#i feel like klavier's less confined by these ideas (if they hold merit at all) considering he actually owns coloured lipstick and he wears#jewellery (admittedly quite 'masculine' jewellery no gems or pearls or anything like that but jewellery nonetheless) but i think it just#makes it more interesting that he doesnt seem quite able to cross the line anyway. like it's that ingrained into his system.#anyway that's all i've got. you guys should tell me what you think too#annotations
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Idk if uve discussed this before, im new haha but I really enjoy your readings of the show and Iām curious, would u call louis a femme? Idk i think itās a widely accepted canon in the fandom and i constantly see it spread all over twitter with no argument whatsoever and im over here like i.. i dont see it?? Idk!
Hey! Welcome, anon! And thank you for your kind words! Youāre very sweet!
I think Iāve probably discussed it in fragments before, but not outright said it, but no, I wouldnāt call Louis a femme. Itās certainly a largely accepted fanon in a vocal part of the fandom, particularly on Twitter and ao3, and yeah - - I mean. Iām really glad people are having fun with it! I do also sometimes feel theyāre watching a different show to me though, because itās honestly not something I see at all. I donāt know if their arguments are necessarily organized in the one place (although I could be very wrong in terms of that!) but I might use this as an opportunity to collate my thoughts and the previous posts Iāve made addressing the arguments around this particular topic. SO! Okay! Letās break it down and dive in:
Louis is femme because heās a Gothic Heroine
I just donāt agree with this argument, Iām sorry. Iām not going to get into the weeds of this one, just because I feel like Iāve done so already, but I donāt personally read Louis as a gothic heroine at all. In fact, I see him as a very archetypical Byronic Hero, which I talked about in this post, and in others in my Byronic Hero tag.
Louis is femme because he is a Battered Housewife / relying on a Sugar Daddy
This point often gets tied up into the gothic heroine one, and itās one that always kind of surprises me a little bit. Even putting aside the fact that itās an ugly, misogynistic trope in general, Louisā relationship to being a quote-unquote āhousewifeā is one that ā to me ā is symbolic of his feelings of emasculation in the Rue Royale household not as a result of Lestat alone, but as a result of the white power structures in New Orleans that would disempower and disenfranchise him. He doesnāt like it, it doesnāt make him āfemmeā, in fact, my interpretation is the opposite ā it emasculates him as a Black Man, and he feels that in every part of his life to the point that both his daughter and sister weaponize it against him, and I personally think itās a factor in his periodic impotence in his marriage. Respectively, Claudia calls him the housewife, and Grace calls Lestat his white daddy ā these arenāt compliments, these are callous insults from both of them designed to bruise his pride and force him into action. The fact that neither of them work to move him the way they want doesnāt mean Louis identifies with them, rather it means heās ā at the time ā committed to Lestat for better and worse, but their words compound in a way that fuels his resentment of Lestat as both an adulterous husband and a symbol of everything wrong with his life.
Further to that ā and I say it in the Byronic Hero/Gothic Heroine post that I link to above Ā ā but a vital part of power dynamic tropes in gothic literature is that women lose power through marriage, they donāt gain it, and Louis does, in fact, gain it. Lestatās a ticket to social advancement for Louis because as much as Louis (rightfully! Itās extremely racist!) hates being forced into a servitude role publicly at the theatre or in lease agreements, itās Lestatās whiteness that allows Louis into more conversations politically, and eventually allows him to buy the Fair Play Saloon and turn it into The Azaelia. Itās a limited power, of course, as a result of his race and the era, but the show actually explicitly lays out certain things for us like the fact that Louis pays Lestat back in full, and pointedly, that Louis never felt that he had to pay Lestat back at all:
The last line of which is Louis greeting Lestat not as a sugar baby or a housewife walking out to his sugar daddy or husband, but as a business man to his husband.
In fact, the interesting exchange of power in that sequence actually leans to the reverse as Lestat ends up playing host to a new client while Louis lords over an empire.
(You can't see it exactly in these subtitles, but it's Louis who says 'you about five years late', and Lestat honeytrapping with taking the man away).
It's a dynamic that repeats with the musician who tries to leave that Lestat coerces into staying - Louis' king of the castle, and Lestat, the show implies, I feel, plays the placating partner smooting over the edges.
But isnāt Lestat a symbol of patriarchal power in the Rue Royale Household?
Iāve had a couple of asks about this and have a long reply in my drafts that Iāll try and post this weekend, but yes and no? I think in Rue Royale, Lestatās definitely a symbol of patriarchal power to Claudia, and I think Louis sometimes feels him that way too, but I donāt think itās actually true for Louis in the way that it is for Claudia. Gender isnāt what divides Louis and Lestat, itās race, and every time Louis has the chance to exert patriarchal power against anyone outside that house or inside it, he uses it ā from coercing Lestat into Claudia's rebirth to physically assaulting Claudia over Lestatās murder, to even trying to influence her diet and guilting her into staying, to throwing Lestat out of his own house and then fucking him in his loverās bed (which, obviously, are after Lestat's singular act of violence), to being literally a pimp, strongarming his sister and his mother, to giving less than 0 fucks about Lilyās murder and the attempted anal-rape of Bricktop - - just.
Yeah. There are two patriarchs in the Rue Royale household, and both their names begin with L.
Eldest daughter syndrome
Sometimes men are also eldest siblings who feel the burden of responsibility?
Even beyond that though, I think Louisā response to Grace is particularly paternalistic, a pattern heād repeat with Claudia, which I talk about here. I do think Louis has a lot of responsibility and weight on his shoulders as an eldest child, absolutely, and I actually think thereās a lot to talk about in terms of his complex position as brother-father to Paul and Grace in s1 (and I empathise with him intensely in this regard as someone whoās been a siblingās guardian), but like. Thatās not a feminine trait, nor is it one that makes him an eldest daughter. Iām not one, and heās not one either. Sibling dynamics arenāt cut and paste.
But Louis buys and reads Madame Bovary and obviously relates to Emma
I mean, he doesnāt buy it ā the show literally, explicitly makes the point of telling us that itās Lestatās copy of the book that heās reading, which honestly makes sense to me. I talked about it here (where I include the caps of it being Lestat's book too), but Emma as a character cheats because she finds monogamy boring, provincial life even more so and dislikes her daughter, while married to a successful man in a regional town. Louisā not the Emma in that equation, Lestat is, given he's fucking Antoinette ā allegedly because he wants variety ā escaped the Auvergne in Paris, and canāt cope with parenthood and/or Claudia.
Interestingly too, Louisā focus in that scene is on the 'denseness' of the prose and 'the absence of metaphor' not the content, as he ignores Lestat having a meltdown directly opposite him. My interpretation of that scene is that the writing is pointing out exactly how disconnected they are from each other, and that Louis can read a story that parallels a lot of Lestatās experience, and fail to relate it to, or empathise with Lestat at all, even as Lestat indulges Louisā depression and hoarding, which ! I love Louis, but Lestat does in that sequence (not that that justifies anything that Lestat does, of course). Ā
Isnāt Louis compared to Juliet and MĆ©lisande?
Mmm, yes and no? Armand does put him in the Juliet role, which Louis riffs with Dreamstat about, but I tend to interpret that more to be about the involvement of the balcony than I do about their roles as Romeo and Juliet ā because, yāknow. Not everythingās actually about gender, particularly with same sex couples of that era who had limited reference points generally, and certainly limited mainstream ones. Ā
And Melisande - - not at all, actually? I do have to say that Iām a little bit baffled by this particular argument given we have the lyrics to Come to Me and Lestat puts himself in the feminine role of MĆ©lisande (and I actually do think you can mount the argument that he's done that because heās intending for Antoinette to sing it, which I thought for a long time before hearing Long Face tbh, and now I actually do think itās deliberately playing into Louisā sense of masculinity), and he does cast Louis in the masculine role of PellĆ©as. The chorus literally goes:
Ruin each other Like star-crossed lovers Your PellƩas, my MƩlisande Oh, come to me Come to me
So, yeah. Again, that argument just doesn't quite land for me.
Wasnāt he jealous of Graceās pregnancy though?
Was he? That wasnāt my interpretation, but Iād actually genuinely be interested to hear a case for it, because I feel thatās kind of tasty on a narrative level, haha. My interpretation of that entire sequence though kind of feeds back into that eldest sibling thing again where he a) resented Grace building something of her own before he could, and b) was terrified of the idea that her having her own family would mean that sheād pull way from him which she, of course, did.
I tend to see Louisā desire to have Claudia as a fairly impulsive one, and I actually see (in the showāverse) his desire to have Lestat be the one to turn her as a part of him further interlocking him and Lestat together, particularly after he's effectively just broken up with Lestat. It's messy! But yeah, I mean, I think 2.07 laid out pretty cleanly that Louis' choice to turn Claudia was inherently a selfish one, and I personally don't see it as one borne out of jealousy so much as needing an anchor.Ā
Anne bases Louis on herself
She also bases Lestat on herself and/or everything she wants to be, and also washes her hands of Louis as a character for books at a time, and like - - Iām sorry, this is not the tone I usually take, but like - - lowkey, who cares? Everyone in this fandom loves death of the author until Anne says one thing they can use to justify their headcanons, and I just donāt really get it. Why are you trying to interpret a vampire novel as a memoir? Obviously itās not factual? Anneās not a man, sheās not drinking blood, sheās not romantically entangled with her dead daughter, like I do understand that it can feel noodly sometimes with authors and characters, but as someone who works with a lot of writers, I can promise you theyāre dipping in and out of characters like crazy, haha.
It doesnāt mean a characterās them, and it certainly doesnāt mean youāre interacting with Anne when you're interacting with Louis, which I suspect a lot of people donāt want anyway? I don't know, personally I view this one as a bit of a non-starter.
Louisā pretty though
Yeah, he is! Heās your Helen of Troy! Heās beautiful! Heād look amazing in tights and heels! That doesnāt mean heās canonically femme though.
#louis asks#iwtv asks#maybe there's more arguments?#i feel these are the ones i see the most though#but yeah anon i mean mmm#i think certain discourse took off during the last hiatus tbh#because i was around on the periphery last season and i feel like i came back at the start of s2 to a very different social media climate#so i guess take that as you will#it's interesting though#all in all#me like#will I use a main tag?#yāknow what?#yeah maybe#haha#amc interview with the vampire
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The Nobleman or ģė° (yangban): The smiling face represents the bluff and composure that an aristocrat is often known to have. The chin is a separate piece from the top of the mask, and the actors can lean forward and back to make the mask smile or frown as needed.
This monk who abandons his doctrines, or ģ·Øė°ģ“ (chwibari): Chwibari was originally a monk, but he had no intention of joining the monastic order, so he came down to the world and wanders. Represented with a forehead full of wrinkles and spots.
The widow or, ė¶ė¤ (Punae/bune): represented to be a widow, or a kisaeng ( a woman who sang, danced, or played an instrument to provide entertainment for company at a drinking party), or a mistress of the Yangban. She has a very small mouth, round cheeks and forehead- giving a general look of happiness good-humor.
#skz#stray kids#skzedit#bystay#obligatory i am no expert take it with a grain of salt blah blah#theres no changbin bc you cant see the mask clearly and no hyunjin because as best I can figure his mask is a General/high ranking official#but most of those are modern productions and dont have any real descriptions or anything.#these plays were made to mock the upper classes so the nobleman is p much always treated like a fool or bastard lol#also these all change depending on the location- so like the chwibari is usually a negative portrayal of a monk who drinks and parties#and isnt very... monk-ly lets say- but then theres a story where he saves his lover from a lecherous monk and they get married so š¤·āāļø#he wasnt a monk that iteration though or he abandoned his studies ?#and then the widow/concubine varies from sympathetic young widow to a kinda femme fatale who seduces the nobleman/scholars#Will any of this play into the concept? probably not. they dont really commit to concepts lbr#but still! it was interesting to look into and the masks are pretty to boot so this was fun :)#it'd be cool if they did a mask dance. i always loved thunderous for the traditional elements so i hope that happens#also YEAH a korean seungmin girl saying she was sad the foreign fans wouldnt get the significance bc she wants to see 'secondary art'#did inspire this (of course i'd wanna know why he was the only one given a womans mask dont act surprised)#bc im pretty sure i know what she means by secondary art and LMAO#i see right through you.... and into myself maybe#long post
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Imagine looking at a character whose entire premise is that in every stage of his life, he's made every version of himself into someone that inspires people to such a degree that EVERY SINGLE VERSION OF HIM has people wanting to literally follow in his footsteps in some way or another.....
And coming to the conclusion that like.....the most important things about him are the sum of all his trappings. His entirely homemade developed from scratch could not exist if not for what he already was and brought with him BEFORE crafting this newest version of himself trappings, with his greatest trait throughout all of it being his adaptability; his ability and willingness to roll with the punches and not try to simply weather any opposition or changes to his life but instead reshape himself as needed to better fit INTO whatever new shape his life and the world around him takes. All while managing to carry the most innate, fundamental and necessary aspects of himself from one version to the next. Thus every single version of himself is different but simultaneously every single version of himself is also undeniably the same person.
The strength of this character, to me, will always be that he can be so many versions of himself, he can become so many things, all without ever actually losing or discarding any of the aspects of himself he considers most essential, the things he's not willing to lose or give up just to keep going. Finding that road not taken by most, usually because most never even think to look for it as an option. But one that he's always able to find because the one trick he's mastered in his tumultuous life is threading that needle of not just digging in his heels in an unproductive way but rather being selective about when and where he makes a stand and decides "this is not a thing I'm willing to compromise about" but here are places and ways I can and will change and evolve and adapt in order to make it possible for me to hold onto these parts and keep them as they are.
And that's why its always so mind-boggling to me that so many writers can't seem to think of anything else to do with Dick Grayson other than invent some new reason for him to just....not be that person, or to like just take the character whose most basic fundamental trait he's NOT about to compromise on is willingly giving up his spot in the driver's seat of his own life.....and make him just a passenger in his own life and stories.
Dick Grayson at age nine....at age nineteen...at age twenty nine....the one core thread running through all versions of him is the only way he's standing back and letting you call the shots for him or putting him on the sidelines in some way is over his dead body.
HOW he goes about that, what that looks like, who he becomes and what aspects of himself he plays up at some times and what traits he lets fall by the wayside at other times when they offer less in service to his primary goal here....that changes constantly. He changes constantly.
But those changes are almost always (or at least they used to be/should be IN MY OPINION) made with the intention of keeping certain things about him or his life as consistent as possible.
That's the duality of Dick Grayson that I'm here for. The inherent contradiction of him that COULD allow for endless conflict and breaking new narrative ground in all sorts of ways if mined properly:
His eternal willingness to compromise....but only ever in pursuit of doubling down on the ways he's not willing to compromise.
Forever walking that tightrope in ways that only a kid born and raised in a circus could ever hope to.
#see also: my grinding teeth when people disparage his circus origins#like the only thing its good for is colorful backstory and explaining his acrobatics#THERES. SO. MUCH. THERE.#theres so much EVERYWHERE in every aspect of his backstory and his preexisting comics and yet over and over we get#....what if we just ignored all that and did what the fuck ever as though this character has nothing integral to him or fundamental to say#to be fair my gripes with Taylor are not exactly interchangeable with my gripes with the previous runs#but I lump him in as an extension of them because while evocative of different SIDES of my ennui with these takes on Dick.....#the thing about Taylor's stuff to me (or the parts I read at least) is that its generic as hell while only retaining superficial elements#of Dick's character and stories in order to point to them and say see these are definitely about Dick Grayson. like....only in very surface#level ways. underneath that theyre basically generic superhero adventures that could easily be retooled to be about a pretty sizable number#of other characters. tbh with the whole alfred inheritance thing it honestly felt from the get go#that Taylor was more interested in writing a kinder gentler Batman like a Bruce from one of the animated shows like#The Brave and the Bold who gets along better with everyone else. even the way the Brave and the Bold largely exists to use Batman's#popularity as a star vehicle to platform his co-superhero for the episode lends itself to Taylor's approach in his NW run#with the central figure - only nominally DG imo - basically existing as a platform allowing for the drafting of any other character he want#to write in any given arc or story in a similar way to how Bruce is utilized in Brave and the Bold#anyway. idk idk. my issues with Taylor are not the same as the others exactly but also they are and also I just plain dont like the guy#so I complain about him at any given opportunity even when its not technically as accurate or relevant as it possibly could be#I Am Flawed. its fine though dont worry about it. its called being nuanced
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just for fun this time during 'sea of blood' I counted out all the venatori corpses I think we can be pretty sure were lucanis' handiwork before we show up (not including the ones he kills in his initial cutscene, and with an assumption that he's been at work mainly up and down in the areas we move through until we find him, not behind the locked door -- I think that's mostly the work of rampaging undead and other venatori-hoisted-by-their-own-petard suchlikes). can thus happily inform you lucanis has killed at least 32 venatori before rook and company get there. at least one of them he's impaled on their own weird crystal spike things the venatori mages cast as an AOE attack and that they're trying to keep him contained with when we find him. so he's clearly been keeping busy lol. that's my boy dispensing poetic justice and claiming some enrichment in his enclosure while he's at it good for him!
#dragon age#dragon age: the veilguard#dragon age: the veilguard spoilers#dragon age spoilers#lucanis dellamorte#I think he's been scouting around found what's techincally the way out realized he can't leave without his blood#and been shepherded/cornered in the room where you find him. or just as likely he lured them in there to take them all out at once#and also he's not a mage. how the fuck is he going to actually get the door out open and then not just drown if he does#even though he found it. lucanis dellamorte's very bad no good extremely awful horrible day (300+ day streak)#CAN the non-mage venatori get in and out of here without a mage to take them. many questions#him coincidentally escaping right now seems to be down to everything falling the fuck apart down there after zara officially voided#whatever OSHA regulations they ever had and the fallout of solas' ritual made magic run wild across the continent#it's interesting to note that the ossuary we see in this is actually pretty much emptied -- she's already retrieved#what she considered her successes. there used to be way more experiments down here until like a week before this#it's just lucanis and the other rejects left lmao#I do like (well. like is probably the wrong word) to imagine that lucanis has spent a sisyphean year of nearly escaping in there#he's killed a guard gotten to look around for intel for five seconds and been thrown back into his cell multiple times before#this time he's just got chaos and rook (basically synonymous terms right lol) on his side#also to all the 'why is he in his full armor and already with a neat beard' complaints -- because this is a video game#and getting a whole new model for him done for all of 45 mins of content max would not be a wise or fruitful use of resources#hope that helps!#if we're going to go watsonian about it he must have been wearing something when he got there and he probably had luggage#so idk he found those in a store room or something b/c callivan... not the brighest bulb in the lamp store clearly
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One of the biggest things that makes me see Leo as trans is absolutely the size of his carapace in comparison to his brothersā.
And Iām not talking about height! Iām specifically looking at his shell here, because when you compare him to the others, particularly Donnie who is nearly the same height as Leo, itās very clear that Leoās carapace is much longer in proportion to the rest of his body.
Like - standing side by side, even though Donnie is shorter his carapace ends noticeably higher up than Leoās does. And I like this not only because it really helps push the idea that Leo could very likely be trans (or intersex!), but itās also just a fun design difference between them.
(It also lends way to future scenarios of Donnie eventually getting taller than Leo, but sitting down still has Leo being the taller one haha.)
#rottmnt#rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles#rottmnt leo#trans leonardo#rottmnt headcanons#rise leo#trans leo#itās like 4 am and Iām having trans leo feelings again sorry guys#totally get if other people disagree with me on this! but itās always gonna be my no.1 headcanon fr#his complexion the vibrancy of his colors staying even in adulthood his general demeanor and this? this hc is LOCKED in my brain#plus the times Leoās depicted in pink white and blue throughout the series like I KNOW it wasnāt on purpose but damn if it doesnāt help#(his nails are also the exact same as his toe nails/claws but I donāt super count this one tbh)#(even though it is TECHNICALLY another point in favor of trans leo)#(mainly because all the boysā nails are very much more humanoid than turtle)#(just like how their tails arenāt really a factor either since we see them only in their baby forms and never again)#I really like the idea that he was a female red eared slider pre mutation#and Lou Jitsuās dna paved how his humanoid features came out (aka a more masculine build and voice)#but his turtle features are all very much more in like with a female res#love the thought of rise bros meeting og comic turtle boys and Leo being like wait you guys are res too?? butļæ½ļæ½ļæ½youāre not colorfulā¦ā¦#one headcanon I have is that - you know the cute chirping and stuff we have the boys do?#I like to think that Leoās chirping actually sounds more feminine to himself and his bros (so he tends to not do it)#idk I love thinking about this hc a lot and thereās no time like four am to talk about it huh?#future scenario has future Donnie going up to future Leo all smug like ah Nardo howās the weather down there#and Leoās all like good *sits down* why donāt you join me :)#Donnie: ā¦*sits and stretches his neck out to be taller still*#Leo calls him a cheater but Donnie calls it āmaking use of his speciesās advantagesā#but yeah basically for many turtles the case is - bigger carapace? female. smaller carapace? male.#so itās very interesting to take that knowledge and apply it here#did you know one of the turtles that this rule of thumb DOESNT apply to is alligator snapping turtles? male ones are the bigger ones there!#by a big difference too so Raphās size makes a LOT of sense
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"Marchil? I guess I can see it on Chilchuckās end, but what about Marcilleās? What makes you think she could develop feelings for him?" Iām glad you asked!
The first thing to note is that she does think highly of him
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In the page on the right, literally defending his virtues and literally comparing him to Dalclan. And ohā¦
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She does love a brooding mysterious guy who closes himself to love. But surely, Chilchuck isnāt her type at all, right? Heās not princely or knightly at all. In apperances certainly not, both looks wise and demeanor wise, but then thatās why she seeks to know him on a deeper level, to not only look shallowly.
And hmm. Chilchuck really is quite selfless isnāt he? Always looking out for others, and saving specifically her often, always making sure himself and, staying in or even running towards danger for her sometimes. Modesty is often considered heroicā¦
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And can we talk about that drowning oneā¦ You can definitely frame the special attention as him knowing she tends to hesitate or be clumsy, and then his insistance on pulling her out of danger that sheās the healer aka the most important to keep alive, but. From the one who says that he just keeps his ass out of fights and wonāt help this is a lot of risk to take, and he does die trying to pull her to safety in the dungeon rabbits chapter. And the drowning bit??? Thatās when the dungeon collapses. The only reason they DONāT die of drowning here is that the water then gives way to outside. There was NO hope of pulling her to safety here and resurrections would likely not work either, he truly preferred to die with her than try to survive himself.
Sit your ass back DOWN you are in no state, self-sacrifical hero much damn
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And Marcille definitely noticed this imo, after all she loves learning all she can about him, remembering things like how he hates waiting on people too. She pays attention to him and what he does and what he says. This to say that itās notable, whatever reason for it you may think (though we know by this point at least she was already aware he was an adult though it wasnāt internalized), out of everyone itās Chilchuckās bed that she wants to sleep in during the Golden Kingdom stay. Heās safe and comforting to her: dependable, the defining trait in her view of him as is shown by the relationship chart in the Adventurerās Bible.
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^ Lending handkerchiefs is a romance trope btw and handkerchiefs have irl history of being used for courting. Especially in old English literature and plays like Shakespeareās Othello, and personally I do see a lot of Shakespeare in Dalclan (nobility political drama with some romance). Thereās how his cowl is a dearly beloved souvenir from his family too, thereās a lot of aesthetic tropes you can apply to him.
All this to say you can 100% romanticize Chilchuck into a princely noble guy if you try and thatās exactly what Marcille does with the wife roleplay. She doesnāt need much in the first place, she latches onto crumbs and makes aesthetic narratives out of details, give her an inch sheāll take a mile.
But whatās interesting about the shift throughout the arc of her and his relationship is that she starts out idealizing him into a little angel of a kid (shapeshifter), and she ends it idealizing him as a virtuous husband and family man instead.
And whatās doubly interesting is that in the former, sheās actively warping who he is personality and demeanor wise to fit the aesthetic, he doesnāt have that bitter pride of not asking for help and the edges have been smoothened. But what she does during the wife roleplay is something else, she acknowledges the flaws and justā¦ Accepts them, rolls with them. Sheās aware of his flaws and implements them into the narrative, but the reason why his wife left doesnāt capitalize on them even, rather Chil is chilblivious and his wife loves him very much still, sheās just testing him after having had a night of feeling out of place at his side.
And this is what separates the idealization vs romanticization, sheās not twisting him into someone else sheās just uplifting what he is and focusing on the good sides.
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Marcille: "he has a shitty personality sometimes but if he was my husband Iād still cherish him" "If I were your wife Iād be overjoyed to go out with you and would get myself prettied up while you complain about me taking a long time, your friends would tell me that Iām nice and thatād make me happy, but Iād also be sad because you wouldnāt tell me that you love me enough"
Heās angry and his wife left him, heās *flawed*, but heās still worth hyping up, still worth having his own romance story, still has a shot of winning back his beloved. She sees him for what he is, human and real and not a carefully scripted character that fits an aesthetic, and she thinks itās still worthy of love and admiration and fighting for
And whatās funny too is that you might expect her to cool down on him once she learns more about him but actually she only gets increasingly into his business. You tell her your age and next thing you know you promise to introduce her to your family. Give her an inch she takes a mile. And too the thing is, Senshi is equally mysterious but she doesnāt pester him like at all, asks him ONCE about his succubus and he doesnāt even answer and thatās likeā¦ It. With Chilchuck it starts off innocently enough with her wanting to know his age, hometown, the stuff she mentions having asked pre-canon. But it just keeps and keeps going and escalating. Think sheāll be satisfied now knowing you have a wife and kids, maybe sheās disillusioned now? Wrong! She wants to know their names and ages and occupations and hey how did you propose to your wife? Do you think sheāll stop after meeting them? Whatās next? What will she want to know next????
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Sheāsā¦ Like itās not a reach that Marcille is all over him. Like it doesnāt mean itās romantic but she just is. She is not normal about him idk. Can you not ask him about what tongue technique he used when first kissing his wife, give the man breathing room
Marcille could literally go "if I was Chilchuckās wife" having deeply pondered and thought out the hypothetical and people would still ask where anyone sees any romantic potential between them. Oh wait
Thereās a platonic explanation for everything (almost?) in Dungeon Meshi donāt say Iām saying otherwise, but itās definitely not like thereās nothing here to read into lol
Going off a bit more under read bc itās my fave topic
Marcille has a whole theme with the charming prince trope with her idealization and storybook motif and Chil is kinda the "Well someone perfect like that isnāt very realistic and romance is usually more complex and thatās ok and good and flawed people can still be āØvirtuousāØ" catalyst
Do you see do you see she starts canon thinking the most romantic thing is a prince charming but her arc in the end has her romanticizing an average, flawed, real and realistic family man, whoās on the poorer side and is on the verge of divorce. And thatās what he needed, too, seeing the positive of himself and the situation instead of focusing on the negative is explicitly what inspires him to hope that he might be able to reconcile with his wife, gives him the courage and self-esteem to shoot his shot.
He IS a prince figure instead that now itās not about idealizing the grand and overt itās about romanticizing the small things in real life!! About finding joy and beauty in things that seem normal or mundane and uplifting them to make the world feel kinder!!!!
Heās the devoted virtuous man that she wantsss not the storybook prince thatās unrealistic and could crumble like a script at any time. Heās the perfect example of a flawed realistic but virtuous & devoted & loving man. Far from a prince charming, but not fully detached from it either. Something worth fighting for despite the flawed cracks. Like literally, flawed romance being worth fighting for is literally the finale of Chilchuck and Marcilleās arc on the matter, where their separate arcs and issues intersect at the most crucial moment.
Marcille is important to Chilās arc not only because of her optimism, but also because of her interest and knowledge in romance & matters of the heart, and thatās what he needs to both open his heart up to hope and to try to reconcile with his wife, like idk sounds gay
Their arc together is literally learning to 1) see each other for how they are and not undermining their qualities capacities etc etc while still not leaving flaws unchecked either and 2) opening up to people. Marcille LITERALLY makes Chil open his heart up to hope like idk man. What do you want from me. Heās literally the guy helping her through deconstructing novels and fantasy and rose tinted glasses and like. Deconstructing the prince charming figure into something more real but still romantically beautiful like KUI KUI STOOOOP STOP IāM ALREADY HOOKED IāM ALREADY-
Ā Ok fine thatās me reading into the tropes too much forgive me for being storybook brained but like. Speaking his heart out to a lone woman on a balcony, Romeo and Juliette shit, asking if she, too, doesnāt want to meet his family, madly blushing. And like sheās learned with Chilchuck itās all in the little things, all the implications he cannot speak aloud. She does reciprocate, does blush madly back, and the first thing she does is shower him in flowers and jewelry and what in her heart is coded as romantic gifts
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A lady, stashed away in a high tower by her lonesome, waiting for someone to call out to her from belowā¦ Romeo courting type shit with an offer, a heartfelt spiel, implicit confession from underneath her balcony. Offering him flowers because he succeeded in calling out to her heartā¦ā¦.. And they have to climb to her tooā¦. Crazy
Doesnāt it sound like a proposal. One thatās both so storybook-like and not, contrastedly real and grounded, all about the implications rather than in your face grand gestures, "Donāt you want to meet my family?". They literally have an arc about the topic of romance and this is the climax/pinnacle of it like god?? This is @ the woman who said "Chilchuck is a shy/bashful man so I know he wouldnāt tell me he loves me, butā¦" btw
To quote a friend, truly the shiny secret unlockable dating sim capture target : THE DUNGEON LORD BIT WAS SO FUNNY BECAUSE HE KNEW SHE'D TAKE IT HOOK LINE AND SINKER HES THE ONE WHO GOT HER TO TURN AROUND COMPLETELY SHES LIKE. WIDE EYED FLAG RAISED???? FLAG RAISED WITH CHILCHUCKĀ šššā¼ļøššā¼ļøš
And the way that this is the culmination of their arc togetherā¦ Like people are not ready for the āChil calling out to dunlord Marcille on the balcony has Romeo and Juliette romance novels imageryā take. Or the ātheir arc is about growing to see beauty even in the non-idealized, in the flawed and in the realā take which makes it so so perfect if she were to lower her ideal from a charming elven prince to a virtuous halfling man (which she does end up romanticizing)
So there, you got to witness in real time what happens when I think about marchil for longer than 2 minutes, there are so many layers itās a deranged rabbithole. I saw the necronomicon of subtext and itās driving me to madness with forbidden knowledge that no one else sees
ā¦ā¦. Like what if I told you she implicitly picked Chilchuck over a "unrealistic prince charming whoās actually disingenuous" much earlier in the story already. If she was given the choice to think through going with a guy that seems perfect and chivalrous like her succubus sheād pick Chilchuck over the other actually. If I sound insane rn tune in for my full analysis on them coming this month hopefully thank youu. Interwoven arcs of fantasy vs reality and idealization vs pessimism I love youuu
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So now you know the general thesis of my planned analysis about the importance of the prince charming figure in Marcille and Chilchuckās arc, where she romanticizes things to a sometimes worrying degree or idealize people into something easy and digestible and poetic (like Chil being a kid, and then him being a virtuous āØāØāØhusband), and how she needs to value aesthetics less and actual acts and facts more, be more grounded (like seeing people for what they are flaws and all, and accepting that people need money and not pulling through on principles of honor or unity shouldnāt get Namari shamed) and a part of that is accepting that Chilchuck is BOTH flawed and virtuous, a loving husband that still has shitty moods and fumbled his marriage so bad etc etc. So itās like, her image of perfect prince charming that will whisk you away on an ethereal romance -> realistic flawed middle aged dad with personality issues and a failing marriage but he still is worthy of love and having his cute grand romance story and his happy ending. Ik I keep repeating the same point through this but I need it to be burned into everyoneās brains it has its grip on me I canāt do this. They are so specialā¦ā¦
#Someone did ask (on discord) btw iām not just being a smartass though I do love being that too#This is stuff I cover in my upcoming marcille & chil arc analysis except here I can go full romo and donāt keep the strictly platonic angle#Itās at like 15k words rn I think. The 30 pics limit is killing me which is why I started asking my friend to do collages of panels for me#Sob#I keep alternating between it and the Falin analysis save me. Should be dropping soon idk i might test out having a beta reader for that on#Marchil foreplay is 2 years of being coworkers and slowly worming personal questions out of him until he blinks and she has#a key to his house#Dungeon meshi#marchil#marcille donato#chilchuck tims#like theyāre so so funny look at this shit. Nonconsensual romanticizing of you as a person. Obsessive interest in your personal life#Sheās latched so hard onto the āmysteryā of him theyāre deranged#MAYBE ITS ALL COMPROMISES MAYBE ITS ALL SWEET INBETWEENS <3#maybe we'll take our vision of what we thought we could be and make something new together. something for just us#Fumi rambles#Maaan Marcilleās āidealizing him into liking him even for all his flaws bc his personality is often kinda shittyā arcā#and Chilchuckās āprejudice against elves and mages and optimism into respect and trustā arc are everything to me#Meta#Spoilers#Dungeon meshi manga spoilers#Tagged this so late oops#Itās so funny. Sheās canonically wondered how Chil would be like as a lover#No no but like do u see. Fantasy is a key part of her chrcter and arc and heās the foil to that heās the thing that comes challenge it
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not to step where i dont belong but why do i see shippers and saiki aroace truthers beefing all the time ... guys :( .. guys PLEASE .. WE CAN HAVE BOTH. I WANTS BOTH CAKES.
#as a saiki aroace truther myself its impossible to deny his relationship with Kokomi#like theres SOMETHING there#they are CLOSE#besties or dating guys its anyones guess#saiki to me is def aroace but that doesnt mean he isnt close with people. he loves his friends. sees them as family.#i just think his perception of romance is Different#this also goes for most other ships with him too#a lot of that stuff gets lost in our traditional views of romance tbh even though that complexity makes it so so interesting#idk i think his like. apathy. is so key to him#a core trait hes trained into himself thatll take time to break down. let himself be more emotional. in his own way.#i want that to be in my damn romance !!!#PLEASEE#anyways i lost the plot a little bit#guys we can have ships and aroace people !!#two cakes !! two cakes !!#will admit tho i havent finished the show yet cus ive been Scared. ik ill be devistated when i finish watching so im putting it off#for the record i am on season 2. in the middle of it#how he uses romance as a tool actually is kinda supporting this. he just doesnt view it as the same as others. THAT IS INTERESTING TO ME MA#I LOVE IT BRO#anyways snzzzz#saiki k#saiki no psi nan
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I finished posting the unabashedly educational Sword Fic.
It includes a detailed (but hopefully beginner-friendly) explanation of all the steps of making a Nichirin blade from a sunny mountain like Mt. Youkou, a touch of swordsmith and metalworker folk lore (including demons), meta about what must make Kimetsu no Yaiba's swordsmithing methods different from real life methods, some character exploration for Haganezuka and his polishing method, vocabulary and additional resources in the chapter notes, and hopefully, an endearing, silly POV character to learn this all through.
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#my fics#SWORDS SWORDS SWORDS#would you like a story about the years of background of this fic?#I was not very well-versed in metallurgy until recent years but my study of the Japanese language goes back to#well#longer than some of you may have been around#I always liked samurai and swords for the aesthetic but started to take more of an interest when I lived in Shimane#and on a day when I had a friend taking me around to rural sites associated with a legendary monster she was like#let's go see the sword museum while you're out here#but that museum was closed (it comes back into this story though)#so we went to a different one that no longer exists but that was my first encounter with how much work it takes to make the sword ore#fast forward years later#I am writing this blog and it becomes known as a fun place to read about Japanese culture as seen in KnY (thanks glad you enjoy)#I decide that I must tell people how hard it is to make the ore and finally visit that main museum on a trip back to Shimane#I collect material and struggle to do more research and wrap my head around it#and I write the first version of Teppi's story that focused mostly on the smelting and glazed over the forging and polishing and stuff#meanwhile I am in a job situation I have already long since wanted out of and soon I want out a lot more desperately#job searches were disheartening but then I found THE ONE I WANTED#and on that first interview when I was already like PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE#they asked if there's a Japanese cultural topic I could suddenly explain in great detail if asked#and without mentioning this blog I said I had recently written up something for fun about tatara smelting methods (and they forgot this)#fast forward again and I very happily got the job and was very nervous as I got the rundown on a very large annual nerd project#and when they announced the topics for that year I saw that tatara smelting methods in the region I knew them from was on the list#and I was like#asudyaiusdyuasdyuahduahduhsdhuPLEASE GIVE ME THAT#and i got it and when I went out there for research people were like#...why do you know all this...???????#and since I dared not mention my KnY blog I was like#...I lived in Shimane...#it seems I broke the tags because the rest of the story got cut off but hi yes you get the idea
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AND I MET THE CHANGE GOD TOO. OKAY. COOL OKAY
#I WASNT EVEN MEANING TO SO I ACCIDENTALLY SKIPPED THE DIALOGUE BEFORE I KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING FUCK#ill go and find it later if only to give myself peace of mind. BUT WOW. WHAT THE FUCK#my original plan was to 1) work my way to the king and talk to him 2) doom myself and take everyone down with me 3) loop back to floor 3#so i can visit the observatory and scrounge for any lore. although since i got killed that run siffrin asked the king to kill him first#which was intereresting. but i decided to have all doors unlocked that time around so i can just get the starcrest and go#but for some reason it wasnt working so i went to get the keyknife since i was already there and completely forgot i already had it#from the previous loop and THATS what triggered it. IT WAS FUNNY BUT ALSO SCARY BUT ALSO I THINK I GET WHAT THEY MEAN#about siffrin going back without actually changing. going along with a script even if his feelings on things change#the same way he has his own small rituals like the carving thing and does it for constancy. reassurance or safety even#and the times when he breaks script and ends horribly like the sadness attacking thing and bonnie yelling at him cause him to loop#to avoid it. although i cant really say anything bc id probably do the same thing. maybe not for the same reasons since im cruel#and make him do the worst to see what will happen since i put curiosity over rejection sensitivity as an observer and player but well.#i feel wrongfooted bringing it up since i dont have it myself but i have to wonder if this kind of leans into ocd tendencies.. i remember#reading something about how ocd is fuelled by fear. and things like counting and rituals are kind of used to cope with that?#if anyone knows anything more or talked abt it already id be really interested in hearing it bc im almost sure im not#the first to come to this conclusion. but i simply dont know enough nor have the confidence to broach the topic rn esp with how often#misconceptions around ocd get casually passed around so its hard for me to know what is and isnt a baseless assumption#puppy plays isat#in stars and time#isat#playthru#isat spoilers#in stars and time spoilers#isat act 3 spoilers#change god#WHAT WAS THAT WITH WEARING LOOPS FACE THOUGH WHAT THE FUCKKK
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the gorgug-porter conversation is interesting to me because like. yea for the overwhelming majority of the conversation porterās being shitty & trying to fit gorgug into a box that gorgug just does not fit into by trying to make gorgugās relationship with his rage more focused on the aggression aspect of it. but then thereās also this specific thing that brennan brought up again in the ap, which is that gorgugās relationship with his rage is wholly āthis is a tool i use to protect my friends.ā which isnāt a bad thing! but thatās his Whole relationship with it, & gorgug seems to place next to no value on his rage in relationship to himself. which is problematic, because itās first & foremost his rage.
being raised in a household with a sort of toxic positivity largely meant that, whether or not it was his parentsā intention, gorgug internalized the message that more traditionally ānegativeā emotions such as anger are the wrong response to something. part of the reason he prioritizes his artificing is probably because itās āfixingā things. in comparison to being a barbarian, which gorgug associates with ābreakingā things. good vs. bad behavior, in his eyes.
itās a totally unacceptable bar to measure a 16 y/o by, but i do think part of porterās reasoning for not letting gorgug multiclass is him recognizing that gorgug generally does not value anger as a valid emotional response to something, at the very least for himself. & that directly conflicts with what being a barbarian is, because whether you like it or not, that rage is what fuels you. but again, barring a kid from pursuing something they deeply care about in part (not entirely, porter has a lot of more bullshit reasons) because of their fundamental values & world outlook is crazy.
so yes, 98% of porterās reasoning is pretty shitty, immature, rife with a toxic view that thereās only one proper way to access rage, & generally not a good thing to do as a teacher, but also within that reasoning is the 2% of āthere is a fundamental part of yourself that you only value if you can use it to take care of other people & you need to accept that as something that can take care of you, too.ā but thatās something to discuss with a therapist or a guidance counselor, not something that should hugely impact gorgugās academic future.
#gorgug thistlespring#fantasy high#dimension 20#fhjy#fhjy spoilers#btw these r just my personal opinions u r 100% free to disagree#gorgug & his rage interest me so deeply because of how deeply that rage existing seems to be against gorgugās own will#like mechanically classes are choices & you can switch stuff around any time. but gorgug as a barbarian always felt like an unwilling choice#like that 14 y/o kid did not want to have rage. & that really interests me.#iāve seen people before be like āwhat if gorgug dropped barbarian & went full srtificerā but i feel like that simply canāt happen??#mechanically yea sure but it always felt like a core part of gorgug that the rage will always be there & itās a matter of how you channel it#idk. dnd classes narratively being treated as āyou can not lose this part of youā even though you technically can#gorgug could be lvl 19 artificer & heād still have 1 level of barbarian. because that is part of who he is.#btw i donāt think porter truly cares about gorgug valuing his rage only as a way to be a human shield#i think porter just sees that as āwrongā but like. not as in āyou need to take care of yourselfā & more āyou arenāt conformingā#he thinks itās wrong for the wrong reasons. the nastier āthis is how you should beā reasons#ppl being like āwe r being too hard on porter. itās an 150% courseload gorgug will be overwhelmedā i think r missing the point bc like.#that is 100% a valid reason to not approve gorgug for multiclassing! but thatās also 100% not the reason porter rejected him.#that whole interaction was basically porter shoving his percieved version of conformity down gorgugās throat. was v neurodivergent kid coded#no hate to anyone saying that last point btw these r all just opinions#thinking about last ep wilma & digby being like āyouāre a great barbarian. youāre so great at it. but look at what you made!!!ā like.#they would never mean it like that. but when you only understand half of your son he is going to prioritize the half you do.
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yes i'm rooting for m*leven breakup because byler is neat but mostly? i'm rooting for m*leven breakup for the sake of el and mike.
to me, their romance was always a puppy love born out of a combination of social pressures, naĆÆve curiosity, and a lack of true understanding regarding intimacy and romantic love and what it really is. it was real in that they do truly, deeply care about each other and they are close friends, maybe even shared an attraction, but a maturing romance is so much more than that. they've grown up and out of being boyfriend/girlfriend, and that's okay! i think television/film needs to show more often that most of us don't have definite "soulmates" or first childhood loves that we spend our whole lives with. it doesn't mean these relationships meant nothing and didn't impact us, it just means they've run their course and that something else is in the cards, and this is part of life!
i've always felt el was at her best and most confident self when broken up with mike, discovering who she was and what she liked alongside another girl her age instead of just relying on mike for mentorship on how to live in the real world. she deserves more of an opportunity to find herself, her autonomy, and her independence, and to love who she is, and she's made it clear she's felt insecure in the relationship with mike because she isn't being loved and understood the way she wants, needs, and deserves from someone who is her partner.
also, it's okay if mike doesn't love her in "the way he should". he is not obligated to love her romantically and stay in a relationship with her just because she's a girl, because she "needed someone", or because he cares about her a lot. he shouldn't be pressured into a romance if it's not truly coming from his heart. he deserves freedom to find out and honour who he is, too, instead of just staying in his non-functional first relationship ā one he got into as a child, essentially ā and defining himself that way because it's what's expected when a boy and a girl are close. he loves her in some way, yes, but it's okay if he doesn't feel comfortable or secure being her boyfriend anymore, for whatever reason that is. he's felt insecure too, and that's valid and it matters.
they are their own people and are steadily growing and changing every day. they need time to figure out who those people are, and it's become clear (at least in my opinion) that those people aren't meant to be a couple at this stage.
they deserve freedom. they deserve to grow up and be authentic to themselves and not feel like they need to lie for the sake of a relationship. they deserve to move on from this version of their relationship that isn't making them happy and rekindle the best part of their bond: their strong, beautiful friendship. they don't have to be a couple if it doesn't make them stronger and better and happier people.
i think it would be healthy and wonderful for a show, especially one consumed frequently by young adults, to show a relationship starting, progressing, and ending on good terms in this way. sometimes things don't work out, and that is okay.
#eve text#elmike#stranger things#byler#only tagging byler because i feel like yall will like this take lol#tagging tagging tagging WHAT ARE EVERYONE ELSE'S THOUGHTS#god i can't believe i'm making a post about stranger things. this feels like poking a bear#i'm not particularly anti m*leven but like... they'd have to do something pretty special at this point for me to feel like it's viable#i'm seeing the bts of s5 and it's got me Having Thoughts#elmike friendship is something i am so passionate about#even before i ever liked byler (didn't ship at all until s4 even though i knew it was a thing before) i've felt this way about elmike#i always believed they were close friends at heart and needed to break up#the romance part of them felt very distinctly young and very much āhe was a boy she was a girlā to me#and it hasn't deepened into anything more mature and i don't see how it could based on the current state of the writing...#the fact that lumax exists ā a young relationship that is actively maturing and is healthy ā makes that clear to me#and the ālove confessionā in s4 and how disingenuous and miserable it felt was just the nail in the coffin#also the fact that will (who is IN LOVE with mike) was instrumental in making it happen? ... uh... okay... interesting choiceā¦#fucked up and reductive if they make it another queer unrequited love sacrifice for the sake of pushing the heterosexual agenda YUCK#so i really hope the speculation about a m*leven breakup is real!! i think it just makes sense for their characters but who knows#i don't believe in the notion of love at first sight or one true love and i think the writers don't too???#love to me is an accumulation of experiences and we inevitably choose it at some point rather than fall into it... but idk#tv is so fixated on keeping couples together... sometimes it's just not reality guys especially with young people... LET IT GO...#like i said though i'm not 100% sold that they're going to give up their āgolden coupleā LMAO#stranger things hasn't historically subverted too many tropes if i'm being honest#anyway i seriously need this season to come out quickly... i'm so bored and getting my master's is crushing my soul#i need frivolity#ALSO btw i won't respond to hateful messages about this so please don't bother. it's not that serious. this is a netflix show
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