#I know I criticized the trans cult for being cult like

[undead-potatoes]

Not to be a bitch on main but I don't think we should give Larian all the brownie points for giving us one (1) confirmed trans character whose entire character is "she's trans"

[zeezeepearl]

ok im going to #seriouspost for a second here. I don't think Harry Potter is a manifesto. I think it was a flawed passion project that millennials latched onto because of the fantasy of sticking it to their mean teachers and arbitrarily categorizing themselves (hogwarts houses; it's the thinking millennial's astrology). I think the fact that the series got popular when and how it did was very much a product of its time.

I don't think Harry Potter is the biggest symbol of JKR's bigotry. I think the most flagrant sign of that was how she responded to critics. I watched her become radicalized in real time. I watched how she doubled down on her racism when she was called out for the ways she promoted her tragically mid fantastic beasts movies. I watched her chase marginalized teenagers with a double digit follower count off of twitter for daring to criticize her thought process, and no one with any kind of power standing against her because she was the one who was paying them. This isn't to say Harry Potter is without flaws. This is to say she really didn't give a shit about that. Getting rich and powerful is a hell of a drug, and she had enough sycophants that she had no reason to care about what her critics were saying.

She was convinced that she was a martyr; a voice for the unheard; a leader for the ages, so of course her detractors were the bad guys. And I think we should take this to heart. We should see this as an example of how easy it is to get radicalized; if you think of yourself as a paragon of virtue, you are going to think that whatever you see as good and right is an objective fact. Most people don't know this, but the majority of terfs start out as trans allies. You are not immune to propaganda! You are not immune to falling into dangerous ideologies!!!

This is why the most important thing you can do as an activist is to listen. Do NOT think you're above being wrong; do NOT develop a god complex; do NOT form an identity out of being right all the time. Involve yourselves in the groups you claim to speak for. Listen to trans women; share resources that help trans women; familiarize yourself with the diversity of experiences that trans people have and the struggles they face.

No, none of you are as bad as JKR because you don't have her money or her power. You will likely never have the capacity for harm she does. But check yourselves. Do not affirm yourselves into thinking you always have the moral high ground. Watch yourselves; humble yourselves; check yourselves for signs of cult behavior and internalized prejudice. You are always learning. You will always be learning. Do not allow yourselves to get a power trip from brushing off marginalized voices.

[genderkoolaid]

The trans campaigner, who did not wish to be named, told PinkNews that organisers of the ‘Let Women Speak’ event on Sunday (14 May) were “very keen” to have him speak after he posed as an anti-trans detransitioner. Instead, his intention was to get onto Parker’s ‘gender-critical’ livestream to share support for trans rights. He also wanted to send a message to genuine detransitioners to let them know they are “welcome” in the LGBTQ+ community. [...] During his speech, the speaker said he kept things specifically vague so that he could remain on mic for as long as possible to help spread the message of trans solidarity. But, after he said he attempted to “dismantle the mic”, Keen-Minshull, along with several of her supporters, forced him away from the stand. “The group crushed my hands, and arms, and left me with small cuts from the force they went in on me,” the speaker explained. “I have EDS and Nail Pattela Syndrome, hence the crutch, and have my joints pop out a lot when placed under force. My right hand is still in a lot of pain and I haven’t been able to use it that much after the incident. “But I had already gambled and knew that I would most likely get hurt trying to dismantle the mic.” Following the speech, he said he felt it important to note that, despite what anti-LGBTQ+ pundits may suggest, detransitioners are welcome in the community. “With detransitioners often being hit by fear-mongering, lies and hate … I needed to really hammer home that they are, in fact, welcome. “We want to support them, but falling into a cult such as the TERF movement is a sure fire way to really fall into a pit of self-hatred and loathing,” he said.

So much love for this guy. Also I find it so funny how the TERFs are like "we feel so much sympathy for this small narcissistic young woman :(" (actual words used) after they physically attacked a disabled trans man to get him to shut up as fast as possible. Really embodies what they mean when they insist they "care"

[sapphsorrows]

"people only pick on trans people because they're easy targets" yeah no shit they're easy targets just like flat earthers and antivaxxers. what they believe is absolutely fucking insane when you think about it for more than 2 seconds.

the idea of trans is no different from the idea of predestination.

predestination says only those who have been chosen by god will be saved and will go to heaven. how do you know you're predestined? there is literally no way to tell externally. there is no test you take to make sure you're predestined. you just have to put your faith in jesus and know, internally, in your heart, or whatever. funny how literally everyone who believes this also happens to be one of the ~chosen ones~.

the idea of being trans is that some people are born in the wrong body. how do you know you're born in the wrong body? there is literally no external way to tell, aside from maybe a few "am I trans?" quizlets (which as we all know are 100% accurate always and only made by professionals and not 12 year old furries). you just look inside, or whatever, and somehow "know" or you decide for yourself. then, based on your own self-reporting, which you have no way to externally verify, you expect people to bend to your will and you expect society to give you special privileges that no one else gets. no other man gets to pee in the ladies' or compete in women's sports but once you self-id as trans? well, right this way "ma'am", pay no mind to the women cowering in fear of you. their rights don't matter nearly as much as your feelings. funny how damn near everyone who believes in this also happens to be trans themselves, will a few outliers.

even "gender critical" transes like mr. blaire white and ms. buck angel will talk in hours upon hours of videos about the importance of gatekeeping and protecting women's spaces, yet /they/ demand the exact same privileges as every other "fake" (in their words) trans person on tiktok. do you seriously think "fake" trans people are going to listen to you and suddenly not go into the women's? No! are you fucking kidding me? it's so much easier to tell a buck or a blaire to fuck off than it is to a delusional fetishist who will 100% either hurt you or make a scene. there is no "true trans" because EVERYONE claims to be truly trans, everyone from bruce jenner to the "IT IS MA'AM" gamestop dude.

it fucking baffles me how youtube skeptics - people i used to admire, people who taught me how to think critically about shit - will spend all damn day dunking on flat earthers and creationists but will turn a blind eye to the trans cray and will even go as far as to support them. they think they're so above it all and they can't be fooled, but they have been, and I keep waiting for them to snap out of it - just like I waited for my own family to snap out of christianity - but they haven't.

if you seriously think a dress and some hormones and plastic surgery will make a man into a woman, you're insane, and you're no more crazy than a youtuber who thinks antarctica is an ice wall or a pastor who still prays to his "sky daddy". you have no right to make fun of these people for the insane shit they believe when you believe in this nonsense. you are quite literally the pot calling the kettle black.

and if you're one of those people who's like "oh well i know they're not actually women i just call them that to avoid hurting their feelings" im sorry but you're still in this cult, you're physically in but mentally out and the only way to really get out is to call a spade a spade, admit the emperor has no clothes, admit you were fooled just like me - just like all of us - and speak out against it.

[katherinakaina]

I also need to add a bit of context to your very short bit about Zizians, @strange-aeons .

TLDR: Ziz left the rationalist community 6 years ago and even at the time she wasn’t liked there, the fact she managed to exploit. Her actions directly contradict both hpmor and what CFAR was doing and teaching. Her other affiliations that are no less relevant include being an anarchist and a vegan. You are not immune to cults just because you are not into any particular weird internet subculture.

Cults form from niche subcultures, that’s true enough. But any subculture can form a cult because any culture, even the mainstream one, contains some ideas that can be twisted to an insane degree. And any ideology, even the most niche and scary one, can be approached casually and sceptically. What is actually needed to create a cult is not a special ideology but a cult leader and vulnerable people to follow them. That is the main uniting quality between all cults. Trying to figure out what’s wrong with a certain music band or a certain fantasy book forum is an exercise in motivated reasoning. You will always end up finding something that's wrong.

The rationalist community was trying to prevent the formation of a cult as best as they could. Partly that’s the reason why people like Ziz and others with bad and unpopular takes were often tolerated longer than necessary. To encourage criticism and prevent getting stuck in a positive feedback loop. Because it’s not a high control group! You cannot be simultaneously mad that people are allowed to talk about wacky ideas on forums and also that the group is supposedly very rigid and controlled. Apparently, they could use some control. Not like it would actually stop an aspiring cult leader from recruiting, they’d just go some other place.

Zizians were not mostly trans by accident (what are the chances?). Ziz was recruiting the most vulnerable people who related to her and were willing to trust her (also because there’s a lot of trans women in the community, like a lot). She used their very real and grounded experience of discrimination to convince them that her not being liked is not due to her takes being bad but because she’s trans.

And she had a lot of takes, some of them not being popular enough you actually complained about. You criticised LessWrong for being too pro-capitalist for your taste and then started talking about the Really Bad rationalists and THEY ARE LEFTISTS killing landlords and cops.

Now if we are talking about ideologies that devalue human life, how about some that require actual Class War (guess what people do in wars) or violent mass uprisings? Or some that require assassinations of certain select individuals? How come you hear that there are people on forums discussing the ethics of murdering those directly responsible for destroying our planet and you, as a leftist, do not immediately recognize yourself in it? Nothing discussed on LessWrong is more violent than a communist revolution or even the killing of Brian Thompson.

Why being into rationality at some point and reading hpmor is the only thing you told about Ziz? I think I know why. All the right wingers really leaned into the whole ‘trans vegan cult’ thing. That is not a good look for our side, is it? How amazing would it be to find a scapegoat. Who cares about those AI safety freaks anyway? They are all cishet men anyway! All cishet men who somehow have an offshoot of violent vegan queers, that certainly adds up.

Ziz being a radical vegan* (another niche subculture) corresponds to her actions way better than anything that's discussed on LessWrong or happened in hpmor. In fact, there’s an exact scene you probably skipped. Harry is on a very important and dangerous mission with Quirrell and at some point he is told to hide while Quirrell duels a cop guard at magical Guantanamo Bay – a total pig and an absolute scum who Ziz would kill without a second thought. Harry does share her sentiment, he fucking hates Azkaban. But when Quirrell tries to kill the evil torture cop Harry instinctively protects him jeopardizing the entire mission. And it’s not a random scene. It starts the entire disillusionment spiral where Harry realizes his beloved groomer professor might be a bad guy. Murder of a bystander whose only crime is being a product of his society is not something Harry can tolerate. He does end up decapitating a bunch of actual death eaters in the very end (the bit you probably did read) to save his own life and defeat Voldemort and even then he regrets it and apologizes for it (despite it being the right thing to do and not even comparable to a random cop). There’s an entire scene where Harry bonds with Draco over their mother’s deaths where he expresses that every death is a tragedy, even deaths of very bad people (like Voldemort).

Not to mention the entire immortalism theme (did you skip the entire third book?). One cannot read hpmor and walk away thinking human life is worthless or only super geniuses deserve to live. Timeless decision theory leading to murdering people is not in there**, nothing in the fic even suggests such a conclusion. More about how you got most things wrong about hpmor here.

Let’s face it, those were a bunch of sleep deprived vulnerable people high on all sorts of radical ideas, who were kicked out of every decent movement and that’s why they slipped into a cult.

Any subculture can become a cult. If you ever read a boring preachy fanfic or ever went to a physical meeting with internet weirdos. If you ever felt rejected by mainstream society and went looking for ‘like-minded people’, for a ‘found family’, for a ‘place where you belong’. You are not safe. Touching grass from time to time is not enough. You have to never leave the pastures to be highly immune to cults. And that ain’t you, my friend. That’s none of us.

Previous post about rationalist community.

* Ever heard ‘veganism is the moral baseline’ (sometimes minimum or imperative)? That’s not a slander, it’s a commonplace argument and an actual slogan.

** The only use of timeless decision theory in hpmor is about being able to reliably cooperate with other well meaning people, not about killing anyone.

[redbuddi]

Joon uses Lily's deadname in the first 5 minutes of his video and the thumbnail is unacceptable. Her critical community is weirdly hellbent on justifying this even though this could easily be corrected by editing out and changing the thumbnail.

Idk if it's known that Lily tries to paint all of her opposition as transmisogynists then isn't it logical to put extra effort into making sure nothing about the video is or could be interpreted as transmisogynistic? Like this just makes me think Joon had an ulterior motive.

Yeah that's the thing. Of the videos out there that do criticize Lily, many of them are from drama youtubers who just refuse to give a trans woman any basic amount of respect. (A personal favorite/good example is in Just A Robot's video where he feels the need to point out that Lily is transgender despite it not being relevant, and says the word "transgender" so awkwardly that it's like he's afraid someone's going to overhear him saying it. what a guy.)

Lily does hide behind the "everyone's just being mean because I'm trans" defense whenever criticized and it's very easy for her to do so because unfortunately most of the time she is actually correct in that assumption. She has had to deal with very legitimate transmisogyny because the type of person to make a video detailing all of her problems is usually also the type of person who loves to foster harassment of trans people in general.

Honestly I don't think anyone should be making videos about her at all anymore. The best way to make her go away is just to stop giving her attention. Don't watch her videos or give them dislike bombs, those count as engagement. Don't get into arguments with her. Don't make call-out posts. Just don't engage and let her wallow in her own little corner of the internet until she either gets the help she needs and logs off or her whole little cult of fandom inevitably implodes. We don't need any sort of internet cop to publicly shame her for her crimes, its already pretty well known not to trust her and her channel's growth has completely stagnated.

Nobody needs to do anything but leave her alone, in every sense of the word. I know this solution isn't as fun or scandalous as a public ousting, but not every bad person on the internet needs to be ousted. Especially when information on why she's bad is already readily available. Joon's videos serve no purpose but to indulge in the cruelest form of voyeurism under the guise of reporting, and the Lily Orchard video is no different. From the bottom of my heart, fuck that guy.

[wolfertinger]

The way Wis & Co. use the word 'transmisogyny' doesn't really differ from the way some abusive individuals who just happen to be autistic, pin every attempt to hold them accountable for abuse and/or bigotry down to:

"You're just attacking me for being AUTISTIC so actually you are the abusive bigot monster here. :/ Why is everyone trying to SOCIALLY MURDER autistic people!?!"

If Wis wasn't transfem and wouldn't be able to abuse the transmisogyny term, she'd use something else. Like manipulators always need some story that makes criticizing them have the optics of "punching down on such a struggling person".

And all of this sucks because this behaivior creates people who have only ever heard of transmisogyny in a context like Wis-like behaivior. It will make it harder to talk about transmisogyny where it really happens. And society already doesn't take transmisogyny seriously enough, let alone know enough about it. ESPECIALLY its intersection with race and class is neglected by white trans people with big platforms.

This is a really bad political climate to be eroding the meaning of words that give marginalized people language to address systemic abuse and bigotry.

Wis herself perpetuates a world that is worse for trans women, by eroding the meaning of transmisogyny.

The Baeddel ideology (*baeddel being an intersex slur appropriated by perisex trans folks who wanted to make a "pro-transfem" version of radfem ideology) which is just repackaged reactionary radfem shit (inherently racist, intersexist, exorsexist, antitransmasculine and anti-intersectional, - ironically also transmisogynistic since it forces transfems+women to feel dirty about pre-transition life + have to fight to prove to be woman/fem enough to matter) infects many trans spaces so badly that I've actually seen and firsthand experienced several times how misuse of "transmisogyny" has become certain abusive individuals' shield.

I notice Wis started to go from a more broadly trans-friendly person to an increasingly baeddelist/transradfem leaning, the more she began publically foam-mouthing about an abuse victim she hates.

Being transmasc myself I was super disappointed to notice that shift, even before I knew the rest of this iceberg...

Radfem ideology, including the OG white cis lesbian separatist radfems who had a vitriolic hatred of trans people and bisexual women, - and black women who felt more kinship with black men than white women who weaponize their tears against black ppl regardless of gender to instigate antiblack violence, - is ALWAYS a haven for abusers and bigots.

TERFs are radfems. The cis woman TERFs screaming at transfems, erasing nonbinary people and demonizing transmasc bodily autonomy are frequently outed as serial sexual abusers, like Lily Cade.

The original social circle where transradfem/baeddel ideology was created, revolved around a trans woman who abused other, vulnerable trans women she manipulated and isolated to bind them to her cultish group. So yes, the "we are the only place safe for trans women and everyone else hates you <3" group hurt and abused the trans women who sought sanctuary in it.

What TERFs, cis lesbian separatists and transradfems have in common is that radfem ideology ALWAYS wants to invent a hierarchy of "DIVINE INNOCENT WOMEN" and those who are not. If you are "divine innocent woman", your ability to ever be a sexual aggressor is completely rhetorically erased.

Abusers love dogmas where they can sort people into "evil people species" and "divine innocent species". Omg, almost like white supremacy and colonialism itself works exactly like this!!!! BCS RADFEM SHIT IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST COUP AND NOT REALLY FEMINISM AT ALL, whether the people perpetuating it individually know this or not!!

Radfem ideology in all of its forms is cult shit and creates an environment where people with "the correct identity" can never be seen as abusers, while people with "the wrong identity" (like other trans people in baeddelism) will be treated as inherently abusive and dangerous. Baeddelism positions all non-transfems + "wrong kind of transfems" as oppressors and threats.

There is nothing pro-trans or even pro-transfem about it, it doesn't benefit anyone else than the few abusers that use those types of circles as their shields.

"WHY WOULDN'T YOU THINK OF THE POOR INNOCENT WOMEN??? WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO /GASP/ HURT WOMEN?!?!"

- Said the white woman helping another white woman get away with horrifically abusing a latino person she's encaging in a racist smear campaign against

Radfems hate intersectionality.... For a reason!

Because it helps point out white ppl regardless of marginalizations are capable of perpetuating white supremacy, exactly as Wis is doing here, even all that ICE talk...

Ex-nazi? The last 4 letters of that feel more accurate. Antiracist work on oneself takes a lot more than calling your OCs Jewish and black, Wis.

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[birdsareblooming]

im so tired of having to defend myself on both sides

like. ok. i'm queer right. bi, demigender, aro, etc. also you know a girl, demi or not. all the time i have to defend myself from american christians who via mistranslations and misinterpretations spread by horrible leaders for generations have been led into a cult-like hierarchy that tells them to hate me when hate for us isn't in their book or supposed to be in their ways.

i'm also "christian". i hesitate to use the full term because of how bad american christianity has gotten. but i believe in the same god nontheless. every day i feel i have to defend myself from queer people as well

like. i so get it. as i have just established american and european christianity has gotten so fucked up and literally off-script that i'm shocked we haven't gotten another 95 thesis and a completely new branch. it's awful horrible and people who believe in such ideas should not be in power. to the point where calling myself a christian feels wrong. at least in america.

i need ya'll to have some nuance.

firstly the understanding that those who hate queer people, non-white people in any form, women, whatever else. isn't even in the text they follow. people have misused it since it was written. preaching just the verse saying wives should care for their husbands and not the one right after saying husbands should love their wives. taking out verses referring to god's "womb." about adam might not even being a man, as in, more likely nonbinary, the verse about david getting an errection when hugging johnathan. changing verses about cleanliness into women and men not wearing the same cloths. changing verses about cultural codes and allowing a world where people have to resort to prositution into verses condemning homosexuality. [X]

like. you know the matrix. was written as a trans metaphor. then a bunch of alpha sigma grindset rich white boys took it and appropriated it, misinterpreted it, used it to boost themselves and hurt women. it's like that. those people don't make the matrix a bad movie, they just don't know it's a trans metaphor. and trans people who enjoy the matrix are like. normal and cool.

as you can see i am passionate about this. i have all this stuff memorized not only to defend my queerness but my christianity as im doing now.

there are queer christians. there are certainly poc christians as right now, south america and south africa have the highest christian populations, to the point where they're sending missionaries to america.

again i'm asking for some nuance. when i see posts basically saying "the christian god is dumb" or "satan was right actually" and blantent misinformation about what the bible says. like those kind of posts hurt my heart. my god made me queer and loves me for it, i believe in a kind god, most good christians do. i feel like other religions don't get this treatment and it's just to spiritually piss off your catholic parents.

speaking of, in doing so you seem to forget about other abrahamic religions.

i once saw a post criticizing something directly from the old testament, out of context of course. saying god was cruel and the belives were flawed and all this due to one verse. people tend to forget, or not know, that the "old testament" is the tenoch. slightly different book order, same writings.

christians, muslims, jewish people, worship the same god. different names for god, some god, same base. if you make jokes about christianty willy-nilly, you're going to accidentally hit someone else. and even if you don't, you may hurt someone still.

it doesn't hurt because i think it's "sacrilegious" or i think you're going to hell. it hurts because my community doesn't care. my community doesn't see the nuance in people and decided a specific religion is the enemy. a specific group of people is the enemy. ive been marked as the enemy

it's casual jokes to you, to me it's making fun of my god

listen, by all means make fun of the assholes. i make fun of them every day. millionaires who use privet jets than preach and love to overlook the many verses condemning the rich and saying rich people don't go to heaven. people saying that as a woman of god you shouldn't enjoy sex. weirdos online and irl that seem to think patorizing random people will get them to church. dumb white people. it's great. fuckn. mormons and jehovah's witness leaders who are straight up running a cult based on a thread of the original intention. and it's funny because they're the assholes.

but don't attack the base religion itself. understand that the religion isn't inherently harmful, certain branches, beliefs, misinterpretations, and leaders certainly are. but please be kind to the people who are normal

before you make a post saying you're gonna. i dont know 'kill the uncaring god' that you're hurting people like me, any abrahamic religion, anyone who believes in a god possibly. also that's basically my parent, it's like you're insulting my awesome mom to my face bc my older sibling sucks. like thats just mean to her for no reason.

i'm just. tired. im stuck in the middle and i hate that i have to make this post because like. this is my home and my people and im tired of seeing this shit from my peers and family. just. have nuance. care about people. don't just say shit about a religion if you don't know its true.

im tired.

[yuri-for-businesswomen]

this is stupid but do you have any advice for feeling perpetual guilt for being a radfem/“terf” (ik that’s not real but you know what i mean)? i just went down a wikipedia rabbit hole of articles about the “anti gender movement” and stuff like that. it upset me to see how biased the wording of the articles was, the article on the LGB Alliance acted like they’re on par with the KKK. it made me spiral all over again wondering if i have fallen prey to some kind of evil cult. i have worried about this on and off for 8 years, since i discovered radical feminism on tumblr. do you have any thoughts to share?

i think there are a lot of issues in the gender critical community - i feel like some people genuinely do just hate trans people. the fact that „terf“, transphobe and feminist, radfem and gender critical are used interchangeably - both by people appropriating the label who are only gender critical/hate trans people but by no means feminist, and „opponents“ who succesfully discredit anyone asking questions or referring to sex matters - has been very detrimental for political organisation and legitimacy. but you cant lose your empathy. i like to poke fun too but im trying to remind myself trans people are not a monolith and girls with internalised misogyny and people with internalised homophobia deserve empathy, always, even if we are on „different sides“ right now (i dont care about the heterosexual men identifying as trans though). and i personally think if you always keep that base empathy you cant be blinded by hate so easily… and like keep calling out unnuanced and harmful takes in your own community. also go outside tumblr… talk to people in real life… read books, studies, research… follow trans people so you keep seeing how they see things and why they feel the way they feel… but to be honest you cant go and ask people whether your belief system is right or wrong, you have to make up your own mind.

[hexagon-club]

I’ve been thinking about your reblog where you stated that “there's something about the way gendies argue where I can't help but get the feeling that they don't even comprehend opposing views” and especially the line “they understand so little of how other people think that they don't even understand that they don't understand how others think.” 

I remember arguing with a TRA and explaining to her that I wholly supported womens (ie., females) right to be as masculine and gender-non-conforming as they wanted. Somehow we started arguing about this TIM who has a full-on beard and basically makes no effort to convey that he wishes to be perceived as a woman. I said that I wouldn’t want someone like that in women’s spaces, and the TRA I was arguing with said, “It’s funny how you talk about her beard, and then parade around like you don’t care if women are masculine.” Like, she really thought my issue was that the TIM we were arguing about was masculine, not that he was male. She couldn’t even conceptualize the idea that I did not view him as a woman. 

I think TRAs are such a unique category of people with delusional beliefs, because every other group of people with delusional beliefs at least has the language and vocabulary to articulate what they think (religious people, conspiracy theorists, etc). They can at least demonstrate a degree of reasoning behind their thoughts, no matter how flawed that reasoning may be. TRAs don’t even have that—they don’t even pretend to. It’s just circular definitions and the assertion that their internal feelings change material reality. I’m so dismayed that this ideology which is not grounded in linguistics, science, reason, material reality, or anything else has gained the popularity that it has.

I wanted to ask you what you think will become of the trans movement in the next five to ten years? Do you think we will continue to descend more and more into unreason? Do you think radfems will become more appealing in the process? I would love to know your thoughts. 

I think you're on to something. Other belief systems, even ones that are considered to be absurd by the general public, have a consistent internal vocabulary based on words that have a very clear meaning among the group members. Often they will use words in a way that is different to the way people outside the group would use them, cults love jargon after all, but they can generally communicate quite clearly with each other. If not with outsiders.

One of the many things that makes arguing with TRAs difficult is that they are not even on the same page as each other, there's the trutrans/transtrender divide, but even among the "transtrenders" which have become the mainstream of the trans movement their beliefs seem weirdly inconsistent. One of them will try to make a point, I'll debunk it, and then another will accuse me of attacking a strawman and insist that no trans person believes the thing I just debunked. They can't even clearly communicate their beliefs to each other, so they're not on the same page. But in a weird sort of way this is a strength not a weakness, because it means we're constantly trying to hit a moving target, can't really debunk an ideology if the ideology is so inconsistent no one can agree on what it even is.

On that note I just realised something, so I don't know how aware you are of this, I only learned about this after the fact, but there was something of a war on tumblr in the early 2010s between the two wings of the trans movement. The trutrans/transmedicalists represent what was essentially the mainstream of the transgender movement in the 2000s, their philosophy is essentially that being trans is something akin to a chronic illness. One that can be treated through transition, but not cured. This is in contrast to the more modern wave of TRAs who think of "gender" something more like a form of self expression. The trutrans were actually some of the earliest critics of tumblr identities and mogai stuff, because they saw that as making light of (what they believed to be) their legitimate medical disorder.

Anyway, my point is that I don't think the current mainstream of the trans community even have a word for themselves. The trutrans people call them tucutes and transtrenders. But they don't seem to have a word that refers exclusively to themselves, but not to the trutrans. That's weird, they don't even have the language to acknowledge that they are a subfaction of a larger ideology.

As to your last paragraph, I really don't know where we go from here, it's amazing that the trans movement has gotten as far as it has given how ideologically incoherent it is. But it is incredibly profitable, gender affirming care is big business, and plastic surgeons and drug companies aren't going to want to leave money on the table by letting it become less accessible. Incidentally I think this is one of the reasons why other trans identities (transrace, transage, transabled, otherkin) are never going to catch on, they are much harder to monetise, so there's no point marketing them.

The left seems to have decided this is the hill they want to die on. They seem to view gender as a sort of individual freedom. And think that people not acknowledging it is the same thing as trying to force people into rigidly defined gender roles. Like, in their minds, if they hear me say something like "non-binary is nonsense" they equate that to me saying "all women need to become stay at home housewives who wear high heels and dresses." Because they equate the word "woman" to the feminine gender role, and don't even really understand the concept of it as a purely biological classification. Even though that's what they basically all believed 15 years ago.

If the current trans position becomes untenable I think there will probably be a retreat to the "trutrans" identity. People like Blair White, Marcus Dibbs, and Buck Angel are hated by a lot of the mainstream trans community, but they are actually helping them out by preparing a fallback position for when mainstream society gets sick of their shit. I think people will mostly tolerate that, not that I think "trutrans" makes any more sense than the current position, but it's less evangelical and overall less annoying than what they currently preach. Also, quite frankly I think there are a lot of men (left wing and right wing) who are sick of TRA nonsense, but are also deeply antifeminist, and who will want to keep transgender ideology alive because they can use it against feminists.

I'm thinking of this meme I got from Sargon of Akkad's twitter account:

So there's a group of men who know that transgender ideology is nonsense, but still get a certain sadistic pleasure at seeing it get used against women.

I'm not really sure if things are going to get more irrational from here. Both the left and the right seem to be getting more and more unhinged, the left has chosen transgender/queer ideology as its cult of choice, whereas the right has QAnon and it's weird offshoots. It does seem like we are entering an era of unreality where people are giving up on the concept of a shared objective truth and are retreating into fantasy.

That's a depressing note to end on, sorry if I rambled a bit.

[yansurnummu]

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I mostly post about Elder Scrolls with a focus on ESO but sometimes throw in other stuff for flavour. This usually includes Critical Role, Baldur's Gate, Destiny, cool art I like, and probably others once in a while. I occasionally post nsfw art & fic that will be tagged #yans after dark.

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To the Horrors I've Known and Loved (2023 - Ongoing)

Like Winter (2022 - Ongoing)

A Variation of the Truth (Completed; 2022)

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The Blood of the Coven (Completed; 2016)

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Destiny Oneshots Collection (2018 - 2021)

My ESO OCs:

Dralvayn "Drals" Arano (he/him)

Dunmer // Arcanist

My cranky old wizard. To the Horrors I've Known and Loved is his story, where he gets put through the horrors and learns the power of friendship.

He's gay/demisexual but he doesn't discover that until partway through the fic, and even then he has a ways to go before he allows himself nice things. He becomes hopelessly in love with Azandar, and later on has a bit of a thing with Zerith-var. He starts out kind of an asshole but he will get better. Probably. He's my little chew toy :)

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Asha-ammu Kaushad (they/them)

Dunmer (Ashlander) // Nightblade // Vampire

Asha is my precious little princess who I would die for. Like Winter is sort of a character study, following the progression of their relationship with Donobhan, and told from his point of view.

They're nonbinary & transfem, and very shy and a little awkward. They love fungi & dwemer architecture.

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Donobhan Ravenfriend (he/him)

Reachman // Warden

Don is my sweet boy. He was originally of the Spiritblood clan but left when he couldn't go through with the Vateshran's Rites. He loves nature and has a lot of wisdom about the ways of the world & life & death but is also kind of an orange cat and sometimes his head is empty. His best friend is his guardian wolf, Calahan.

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Sadryn Favel (he/him?)

Dunmer // Warden // Werewolf

Sadryn is a hot bisexual mess whose favourite pastime is being a public nuisance. He's like 22 and will never die. He has a twin sister, Serysi, who belongs to @tilliphont. She's a grumpy butch and the two of them would die for each other but will probably kill each other first before that happens. The two of them were born to a Telvanni family that expected a lot from them and they ran away from that bad situation at some point. They also have a pet bear named Sujamma.

If he stopped for longer than 2 seconds to look inwards he would probably have a weird gender but alas he is going 5000mph and has a substance abuse problem so we may never know. He's got a big ol crush on Ember but she thinks he's stinky.

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Auredil (he/him)

Altmer // Templar // Vestige

Auredil is my canon Vestige and gay disaster. A Variation of the Truth is sort of a tragedy that alternates between his point of view (past) and Lindir's point of view (present). Auredil was once a captain in Queen Ayrenn's navy (First Auridon Marines) where he fell in love with Prince Naemon and he and Kinlady Estre became good friends. After the events of Auridon, Naemon shuts Auredil out which drives him to make a pact with Meridia while in a bad mental state, thus being granted his Templar abilities and the rest of the main quest being set in motion.

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Lilanwe (she/her)

Altmer // Necromancer

Lily is trans & bisexual and could be a villain if she was just like 12% more evil. But instead she chose to be niceys and is just kind of a little morally dubious sometimes.

She was once a promising mage and scholar who, after her brother Auredil's disappearance, fell in with the wrong crowd and turned to necromancy and the Worm Cult. They meet again on opposite sides of the conflict, and Auredil convinces her to leave the cult behind and help him fix everything. She has a penchant for being headstrong and righteous, and after the Planemeld and Auredil's (supposed) death, she goes on a revenge quest to eradicate the remains of the Worm Cult. As a treat.

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Coralantar (he/they)

Maormer // Sorcerer

Coral was a powerful storm witch who joined up with the Sea Vipers when he was young and wanted to get away from Pyandonea, but quickly recognised the atrocities the raiders were committing. After meeting Auredil in Khenarthi's Roost, he turns on the Vipers from the shadows and eventually works with the Eyes of the Queen as a spy. The Desert is a Memory of the Ocean is sort of an unfinished sequel/spinoff of Auredil's fic, in which Coralantar and @tilliphont's Galen find themselves lost in Elsweyr in the aftermath of defeating Molag Bal and have to work together to piece together what happened.

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[hxhhasmysoul]

Despite Megumi thinking he’s being very progressive or less shallow by breaking some rules within jujutsu society and with that one answer he gave to Toudou. I think Megumi is still somewhat traditionalist than he wants to admit.

Maybe traditionalists isn’t the right word… He seems very content on not changing the status quo and he would rather be a cog within the horrible system. Perhaps a centrist is a better word for him.

Does this mean I think Megumi will be transphobic or is going to say slurs? No, of course not. But he would be the type to say he supports any minority communities but does nothing when their rights are being taken away.

That’s what I gathered from him in my opinion.

It’s interesting that you specifically mention transphobia in the context of Megumi, considering how a lot of people head canon him to be transmasc due to his comment about his name. Or gay due to the context of his conversation with Toudou. But for the sake of this answer let's put those discussions aside and work with the assumption that Megumi is cishet. 

I find Megumi rather unpleasant as a person, possibly because I see a lot of my teen self in him. I mean this statement should hint at me being sympathetic towards him but considering how I view myself and how I’ve never forgiven myself for anything, I can’t. 

There are a few things converging when it comes to how Megumi seems to view the world: his age, his circumstances, the abuse he’d suffered since early childhood and good grades at school.

Age kinda brings it all together. The younger you are, the less you’ve experienced and your worldview relies on that. You encounter a lot of ideas for the first time, sometimes without even knowing that the person Talking to you is expressing an ideologically-charged opinion. And people purposefully obscure their meaning with language. When recruiting gender criticals don't lead with “all trans people must be exterminated” which would put off most people they haven't indoctrinated into their hate cult. They say that they “protect the rights of women who are survivors of rape” or “women rights in general”, or “the safety of children”. On the surface it sounds like they are doing something noble. You need to have experienced people being misleading like that to pause here, to try to investigate how gender critical ideology is really supposed to protect anyone, and it quickly becomes clear it harms the very people it pretends to want to protect. 

The detention centre situation shows clearly that Megumi has adopted his political views because they sounded good, likely felt emotionally satisfying. Why should a guy who was a repeated offender be saved, let alone prioritised? He killed a little girl after all. He clearly fits into the rigid binary of good and bad. The moral superiority is alluring and Megumi falls for it. 

But his views don't come from some deep convictions. It's clear he never spared them a deeper enquiry because the moment they are challenged by Yuuji, Megumi goes silent. He has nothing. 

Circumstances and abuse

Megumi was dragged into the world of sorcery at a very young age, likely 6-7, so for most of his life that was what he knew best. In that world he was treated as property. He was literally sold to Gojou who then instilled in Megumi that he has to work as a sorcerer to secure his basic needs. And the needs of his sister. 

He essentially works as a child soldier. He sees people around him die at a very young age. 

It’s all dehumanising and traumatising. 

The way you phrase his cog mentality is as if it was an active choice. I see it more as a result of how he has very little control over his life and no adult who’d care for him or at least take care of him. 

It’s very hard to look from the outside at a system you’ve been indoctrinated into since childhood. It’s hard to reject it. But ever since meeting Yuuji, Megumi has been slowly rethinking it all. 

Good grades

There is a bias in our society that associates smartness with good school results. Megumi’s are excellent. It also associates reading with smartness and Megumi likes to read.

It’s pretty clear that he considers himself an intellectual, he speaks with authority, uses long words and so on. But when you look closely at what he says, he’s repeating what he’d been indoctrinated into. He’d never been challenged on it because everyone in the jujutsu world is buying into the same bullshit he is. They all believe in the cult of strength. Even Gojou buys into the system. He says the system is corrupt and he wants to change it, but only change it in such a way as to put his followers at the top. He never challenges the foundational ideology. 

When it comes to political views, the closest to a centrist is Gojou. He used to be seriously rightwing in his youth, very might makes right, why shouldn’t the strong just kill whoever they want. Later he became a centrist. He turned the might is right into bullshit meritocracy, where the elders are idiots who shouldn’t be in power because they are idiots. But he and his handpicked disciples are smarter and will know how to run things. Throughout the manga we see the miracle that is Gojou’s leadership.

Megumi is very much a product of that. The system likely tells Megumi that he’s smart. And that’s all this boy has to build his self worth on. He has his powerful technique (Gojou explains to him that through suicide Megumi could even win with him - Gojou just loves to give this boy more and more trauma casually like that) and good grades which culture tells him make him smart. He can’t make any decisions about his own life because he’s Gojou’s .. I guess the closest word would be “serf” or “indentured servant” with the compounded factor of him being underaged. He’s also heavily traumatised so his ability to challenge his circumstances is impaired.

It's very hard to see outside your context, especially with trauma on breathing down your neck. Megumi adopts an ideology that makes it easier for him to exist in the context he's in. He escapes into the simple black and white world of right-wing morality.

Right-wing worldview

Politically Megumi is right-wing, not centrist, especially at the beginning of the manga. He sees the world in black and white terms. He believes in the legal system and sees jujutsu sorcerers as part of it. He has a disdain for evildoers be it bullies at his middle school or convicts at the detention centre. 

His right wing attitude is very clear in how he beats up all the bullies as a principle to establish order or how he believes the convicts are not worth saving. Like many rightwingers he treats badness as an identity. Someone is either good or bad, no nuance. Jujutsu sorcerers are good because they are legitimised by the legal system, they uphold the law, even if they are kinda dodgy people when it comes to their motivations like Maki, or try to murder people for political reasons like the students from Kyoto - a typical right wing view point. Bullies are bad so they deserve to be beat up. Convicts are bad so they don’t deserve to be saved. Curses are bad so they deserve to be killed. 

Both Megumi and Yuuji beat up bullies in their middle school days, both were delinquents getting into fights. But the political ideology that is at the basis of their characters really shines through in these situations. 

Because for Megumi “badness” is an identity he beats up bullies proactively. He seeks them out to enforce social norms onto them. In his eyes his preventative violence is justified. It's hard to tell whether Megumi’s violence scared the bullies off and saved people from being victimised. We don't even know whether everyone Megumi beat up was indeed a bully, how did compile a list of targets? A very typical issue with law enforcement. 

Yuuji's values are left-wing, he values human life and dignity above some abstract ideas like the law. His violence is reactive, he protects victims in the moment, doesn't try to enforce his rules on a more systemic level. 

Yuuji sees Junpei as a human. He uses violence to fight Junpei to prevent him from killing his schoolmates, but he also tries to reach out to Junpei. He isn't trying to assign the good or bad label to Junpei or the other students, he knows two wrongs don't make a right.

Megumi's rigid worldview is even present in how he views people close to him. Tsumiki is good because she thinks people should concentrate on positive interactions in life, and she always took care of Megumi. Megumi had no idea Tsumiki did dodgy shit like going to cursed bridges at night, because he replaced the real Tsumiki in his head with an image of Tsumiki. 

Right-wingers have a very rigid and binary view of the world. They will ignore things that contradict their beliefs. Megumi's belief in Tsumiki as a good person caused him to dehumanise her and turn her into an icon he could derive his morality from.

When Tsumiki was cursed, a crack appeared in Megumi's worldview. He was feeling cheated because “goodness” didn't protect Tsumiki. The jujutsu society and the law assign people a “good” or “bad” identity. The bad get jailed or exorcised, but the good? Their reward should be being left in peace, but it's not.

Yuuji really throws Megumi a curveball philosophically. Yuuji formally “becomes” not human to the jujutsu society, a curse that should be exorcised. But he’s a good person, he’s so similar to the morally good icon Megumi idolises. 

Megumi’s ideology fails him again, the cognitive dissonance is too much to handle for him - right wing people really struggle with this one. So he does the typical rightwing manoeuvre: people who are on the right side of the law are good, people who are on the wrong side of the law are bad, but there are also special people, that I like, who are awarded special rules. 

It's very clear how confused Megumi is during the Culling Games arc. How he assigns blame to himself and Yuuji for what happened in Shibuya but on the other hand he still considers Yuuji of killing humans during the games.

Yuuji is so “pure” in his mind that Megumi is taken aback by Yuuji's angry outburst, by him directing his bad mood at Angel and Hana.

But by the Culling Games Megumi's already moved away from the rigid right-wing binaries, he's moving left. He thinks that saving people is what will give him a place in the world. A view that he develops through absorbing Yuuji's worldview.

Centrists are usually people who benefit the most from the status quo, like Gojou in JJK. When it comes to rightwingers it’s more mixed. Some of them also greatly benefit from the status quo so they support it, but there are those who cling to the status quo even though it hurts them and direct their anger about their suffering at those who they consider “other” in some way. Minorities often become that other because they are unknown to some extent, because they are not part of the mainstream. In our reality most places around the world are patriarchal, are governed by patriarchal religions where women are not seen as fully human. Queerness through its complicated relationship with gender roles threatens the status quo of these patriarchal societal orders, thus it becomes a target of right-wing ire. And that’s why liberals/centrists only pay lip service to minority rights including queer rights, because it’s in their best interest that the right-wing poors have a target to direct their discontent and fears at.

But Megumi isn’t driven that much by fear and disgust as most rightwingers. He is a young traumatised boy who has never had any guidance and had to fend for himself, also had to make sense of the world on his own. So what drew him to right-wing attitudes was its simplicity, its binary nature. 

Megumi is not an active transphobe, when he sees Kirara, he stops using male pronouns in reference to her. He respects Kirara. Would he fight for trans rights? It’s not impossible. Yuuji is his new morality icon and Yuuji fights for human dignity. If Megumi saw trans people in the same way he sees Tsumiki and Yuuji (good people who are attacked by an unfair system/reality), he’d fight for them. Especially if Yuuji drew his attention to it, or called out his inaction. Is Megumi aware of the issues trans people face? I don’t know. He is interested in politics and society so it wouldn’t be impossible for him.

I don't know if this is what you were looking for. This fandom is going to make me tepidly like Megumi eventually, I'm very susceptible to character exposure (only Kurapika, Yuuta and Gojou's cases exposure just made me actively dislike the characters). Thank you for the ask.

[trans-bread-of-life]

Yesterday morning, I had a dream where I was on an elevator with a few people from a “discipleship school” (borderline cult) that I went to back in my Evangelical days. One of the ministry leaders got onto the elevator, said hi by name to every person but me, and only when I said hi to her again did she say hi, still refusing to use my name.

The dream was probably a realistic picture of what would happen if I ran into this particular woman someday, but I’m also wondering if it doesn’t have something to say more broadly about the experience of being a trans man.

As a cis-passing trans guy, I don’t really have a lot of places to belong in the queer community. I’m not a gay man, and gay male spaces are generally a minefield of dysphoria & avoiding chasers anyway. I relate to the sapphics, but as a man, I never really fit in their spaces (even when they try to be more inclusive). Trans-femmes have their own right-knot communities, but I really just have a few isolated trans-masc friends I go to for advice. I could probably fit in with cishet people, but I would have to hide the fact that I’m trans.

And when it comes to dating (mostly women & feminine people, as I’m kind of 90-10 bi favoring women), I keep shooting my shot and being turned down over and over again.

I don’t think I’m the only person experiencing this. In fact, I think it’s a systemic challenge that trans men face. As we are transitioning and reaching the times when we most need strong community support, we’re suddenly forced into the isolation of North American manhood. The message that we hear (usually implied, but occasionally out loud) is, “you wanted to be a man, so welcome to the worst part.”

But of course trans men are even more isolated than cis men, because all of these wild things are happening to our bodies with no one there to teach us to shave or show us how to navigate these new gender roles or help us figure out what the fuck to do with all of this ass hair.

I’m lucky to be involved in very queer church circles, where there is a critical mass to form a robust queer friend group, but not a big enough group to break off into specific identities. But that’s the only place where I’ve found myself belonging to a group and forming deep friendships.

I want there to be parties and queer community events/spaces where my presence is actively wanted & encouraged. I want to have memories that counter the many experiences I have (and the many more that I will have) of romantic rejection. I want to feel like I’m enough, and I want to feel like I belong.

I don’t know what the solution is (besides more spaces open to all LGBTQ+ people and maybe me figuring out to be hotter or something?) but I have to keep hoping it will get better.

In the meantime, hug a trans guy (with his consent) the next time you see one.

[pixeljade]

One thing that still gets me about being trans is the double standard of it all. How republicans can stand up and say I am a pedophile who must be culled, how they can ban me from the public, how they can demonize and villainize and ruin my life at every turn, and yet I cannot do the same in response. If i stand up and say ANY of the above about republicans in any public space (outside of like. Here on tumblr), I'd be told that its unacceptable. And like I dont even believe that Republicans or transphobes or TERFs should be culled or banned from public or any of that, because I believe in rehabilitative justice, not punitive justice...but the fact that I *cant* say that shit, while they *can*, is what fucks me up. They call for my death and I call for them to be ignored as the loud minority they are, and I'm still painted as a villain the whole way. Just because I wanted a pair of tits.

I actually think a lot of the ones who DO call for death to all transphobes do so precisely because of this inequality. I still disagree with them, but I understand them, and find them infinitely more sympathetic than anyone who preaches transphobia. And if you are a TERF or a Republican or whatever reading this I hope you will hear what I am saying and reconsider, that you will go search for "gender critical debunked" until you realize its all lies that you've been fed. I know you wont. Because you're certain I'M the one in a cult. But I hope you do. And I hope further that if you drop this rhetoric we could coexist, maybe even be friends someday. Find peace.

[redditreceipts]

as a preface, i’m a trans guy (ftm) so i don’t know much about the things that go on in the mtf side of things.

i just wanted to say i really appreciate that you are a radfem that acknowledges that dysphoria is real. it’s honestly been devastating that so many non-dysphoric “trans people” have decided that science doesn’t matter and that you can decide that you’re trans.

dysphoria is so painful, yet so many people think dressing up and being a permanent victim is fun and that “euphoria” is all that matters.

the “gender isn’t real” idea has turned so many against us. there’s no home/community for trans people like me. it’s taken over by people who decide you’re a cis bootlicker or some other insult of the week that makes them feel powerful over minorities with a medical condition.

i guess this is just my way of saying, even though we don’t agree on everything, i really appreciate your critical thinking and that you recognize that there really are regular people who just have a brain condition :’)

thank you!!! and yeah, you're super welcome here, even if you only agree with one percent of what I say.

I also really like listening to trans medicalist voices (for example, I really like Buck Angel - I agree with about 99 percent with what he's saying), more than anything because they seem to care about actually bringing forth arguments and logical explanations and not just affirming each other endlessly. Most transmeds also argue less about validation and identity, but try to find practical solutions to practical problems and try bringing society forwards, instead of just making everything about how they're the victim.

and the exact thing you are saying is why I hate Philosophy Tube so much. he (and yes, I'm going to use male pronouns, because he doesn't even try to pretend to be trans) made this entire fucking rant about how dysphoria is not real and about how cis people get dysphoria too etc.

and for the "you're just a bootlicker to [outgroup]"-argument - that's literally so stupid. it's just cult rhetoric. it's the exact same that the Catholic church responds to a Catholic saying that maybe we should allow abortions in certain cases.

but well, just know that you're welcome! even though this blog is not really a safe space, but is rather designed for catharsis, and if you're having a bad day, i recommend you rather look into something else haha

anyways, I wish you all the best! 💕

[crafteafork]

Judgement protectionism (gender rant)

Safe spaces are deserved. Everyone should have a right to feel safe. I don't think that anyone should be forced to face risk of harm to use a public space. Maybe we should address that risk of harm before we start blaming genitals?

Toxic masculinity rhetoric only started to open our eyes to the culture around men that encourages behaviors that society rewards: anger, reactionary violence, dehumanization of the other, and so many kinds of manipulation.

We've barely addressed "boys will be boys" and the harm it's done. We've badly handled bullying: we punish those who act in self defense thus making bullying worse. We haven't made rape more punishable than murder. We still see companies fire people in most claims of sexual assault without pressing charges because they don't want the company to look bad. All of this is complicit harm and often tied to the patriarchy. It hurts boys and girls and everyone.

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When humans were in the wild, our evolution learned that different is dangerous. When humans were growing up in the 1900s, females learned that 'men' are dangerous and to be wary of that specifically. So I'm not surprised that when some men are different, especially to exist in a way that is often visibly loud, the majority of many differently aligned people would feel that this is bad and scary. Evolution, culture, it's not so different.

It is natural for a person to feel threatened, to make snap judgements in order to determine their safety. But that doesn't mean we're just monkeys who end their thoughts on instincts. We can think. Our cultural predisposition and bias is how we make those snap safety judgements. We USE stereotypes, not to hurt the person, but to assess our surroundings. Bias isn't all bad, stereotypes aren't all lies, and the systematic oppression or cult majority opinions leading to oppression are the problem. So we can hunch and hide ourselves as we walk, and its a little rude and hurtful maybe. Being defensive is okay. It's not okay to go on the offensive against oppressed groups.

Gender critical feminists [actual feminazis]:

You won't let a child choose a team out of preference

You won't let us talk about gender in school

You are making the choice to transition as a child impossible

You are dooming all of them to dysphoria, so thanks in advance

Complaining about pronouns is refusing to show respect

To you, genitals matter more than who is inside the body

Men can be feminists. Trans women can be feminists. Anyone can be a feminist. The goal of feminism WAS ORIGINALLY to highlight the harm the patriarchy (male dominated societal, legal, and cultural oppression that is millennia old) and to bring light to the need for equity, not just equality. Lifting up those who have been pressed down, giving them more than those who have had privilege without any mal intent to those who have privilege. Equity is support, not exclusion.

On a not so completely different note:

Trans sports is a stupid debate. Remove gendered sports, easy. it's called leagues, people, so many reasons why you should shut up.

Transmisogyny is misogyny. Misogyny is hating and discriminating women; in this case its trans women.

Takeaways

men can be discriminated against, this is called misandry. Speaking ill against men with the reason being a predisposition to hatred of men is literally misandry. Hate speech is a hate crime, if you didn't know. I've heard plenty "kill all men," haven't you?

you (radical feminists) are allowed to have bias against men, you're allowed to be wary, you're allowed to want to have a safe space with your friends. YET trans women are women. Get over it. Talk to us. What do you actually need and want? Because I really hope it's not oppression of other people.

LGB without the T but also without Men is like a very small group; Men are half of the gay crowd.

Honestly it's amazing that we're witnessing this huge division amoung the oppressed that are all just seeking recognition of their perceived mistreatment. It's wild to me how much they invalidate the mistreatment of others in their attempts to be validated. Can't we all take a single moment to appreciate their suffering?

I don't hate haters. I pity them.

Trans people are people, and if you think that hating trans people isn't fascism, I'm sorry you're lost.