#I feel like Oshus is the king of the ocean and the wind fish is some guy

[waywardsalt]

gonna be a hater in tags real quick

[smilesrobotlover]

Ocean king VS Levias VS Windfish

Who would win do you think?

Oh this is a good question. I don’t feel like the wind fish would be as powerful as levias and Oshus cuz they seem to be just some guy, while the other two are mentioned as deities in a way (unless I’m misremembering that about levias). Oshus is pretty powerful with the stuff he’s able to do, but we can’t really see it since he’s powerless through most of the game.

Im gonna say Levias cuz he’s bigger and he can fly 👍

[butthatsjustmyfilthyopinion]

Could BotW’s Hyrule be an unflooded Wind Waker?

Oh boy, buckle up because I have a whole conspiracy theory.

So this whole thing started as I was browsing the Nintendo Gallery in Wind Waker and came across this on Ganondorf’s figurine:

I was like: huh. That looks awful similar to Zonai Constructs. These were the closest I found but looking at it once you’re used to Zonai technology, you see the resemblance pretty clearly.

I know I’m not the first to notice the resemblance to Gohdan either, boss in the Tower of the Gods (we’ll come back to that) because this convenient picture exists.

But so what, right? It can’t be Wind Waker’s Hyrule anyway because it’s not the end of the timeline, right? WRONG. It may be the first in the adult timeline but it’s also the last in that timeline to take place in Hyrule. Phantom Hourglass takes place in the World of the Ocean King, Oshus’s dream if I remember correctly but most importantly, not Hyrule, and Spirit Tracks takes place in New Hyrule, one that Tetra and Link founded later. It is not the same land.

Ganondorf ends up dying at the end of Wind Waker with the Master Sword stabbed through his head (cough cough, we’ll come back to this too). The Triforce is used by King Daphnes, the exact words as follows:

“Gods of the Triforce! Hear that which I desire! Hope! I desire hope for these children! Give them a future! Wash away this ancient land of Hyrule! Let a ray of hope shine on the future of the world!!! And let our destinies finally be fulfilled…”

Granted this is the English translation and I don’t know Japanese, so if anyone is able to translate this scene from the original Japanese that would fly in the face of what I’m talking about please make it known.

King Daphnes wished for Hyrule to be washed away, specifically his Hyrule that he’d been clinging so desperately to. If this is indeed the same land we see from the Zonai in TotK, then the old kingdom would’ve been gone long enough to not be recognizable. He also mentions a ray of hope for the world. This is obviously referring to Tetra, Link and eventually New Hyrule but I wouldn’t put it passed the Goddesses to revive the land now that the danger is passed. And that’s another thing!

The whole reason the world flooded in the first place was because of Ganon, now that he’s died, there’s no reason for it to stay flooded. I seem to recall there being a comment somewhere in the game that went something to the effect of “there’s no fish in these waters to catch because it’s magic god water” I don’t remember where it was but do correct me if I’m wrong.

Geography was another big thing. Zelda geography has never been exactly consistent, I always assumed it was because such large chunks of time were going by that tectonic plates had shifted everything now and then. However, Wind Waker and the BotW maps are surprisingly aligned.

Death Mountain and Dragon Roost are easy examples, the Forest Haven is in a similar location to Mount Lanayru and is in proximity to the ice island. The Forsaken Fortress is aligned with Hebra Peak, Outset Island is shaped roughly like Spectacle Rock in the Gerudo Highlands, the Gerudo Highlands in general, and interestingly enough, Satori Mountain is very close to the Great Fish Isles. Plus there’s a lot of other miscellaneous peaks in BotW.

Something else very interesting, the final boss arena lines up rather well with being either near the castle, or perhaps the Great Plateau. A friend I was playing with when I first discovered this pointed out how proportionately small the people are, and normally you don’t notice that, it’s a very stylized game. But maybe, perhaps the reason the world feels so big was because the Hyruleans evolved to simply take up less space on the islands?

Something else interesting is Luralin Village. We’ve never really seen a fishing village before besides in Wind Waker with Outset.

To finish off the miscellaneous details I’ve noticed, the sword pose. It’s suspiciously similar to the one Rauru has Ganon in in Tears of the Kingdom. Here’s the two side by side.

Now onto my heaviest hitters, the salt thing and the races.

As most people who’ve spent anytime debating BotW’s place in the timeline is aware, the rock salt description mentions it came from an ancient sea. This could be the Lanayru Sand Sea all the way back in Skyward Sword, in which case, why isn’t it localized to the desert area it was in? Or it’s from the Great Sea. Not much, but it’s very much suspicious.

The other big one is the Rito’s presence along with the Zora. Besides the games in question, the Rito only ever appear in the Wind Waker. We know based on the Zora iconography as well as Laruto, a Zora, being Medli’s ancestor as well as that special magic water comment from earlier I believe. So how can the Zora exist alongside them if they came from them? Answer: the Fish Map Men. They fill out your map as you travel through the islands, and on top of that, there’s a lot of Gyorgs swimming around. What is Sidon molded after again? A hammerhead shark. It’s likely a new species of Zora evolved from the sentient Fishmen, this time with more variety. The Zora monuments mentioning Ruto? Left over and well preserved under the waves, maybe like how Hyrule Castle was.

Tito weren’t the only unique race in Wind Waker, Koroks were as well. As I’m sure we’re all well aware, they are present in both BotW and TotK. They’re descended from the Kokiri, and there’s not a shred of evidence to suggest that the Kokiri ever came back. It’s likely they just stayed Koroks and since Kokiri don’t age and stay kids forever, and that trait likely carried over to the Koroks if they’re behavior is anything to go by, they just keep multiplying…

And finally, the Zonai themselves. All this started because I noticed Ganondorf was wearing what appeared to be Zonai accessories. Gohdan is said to be a trial placed by the Gods themselves. The Zonai descended from the heavens to settle Hyrule, it’s not illogical to assume that the Tower of the Gods was built at the behest of the Gods, by the Zonai. Perhaps one of Rauru’s ancestors. The Zonai also have extremely long ears, and it’s said in Ocarina of Time that Hylians have long ears so that they may hear the whispers of the gods. Wouldn’t those closer have longer ears then?

One last little thing I couldn’t seem to fit anywhere, isn’t it weird how Rauru’s name is one we recognize and yet Sonya isn’t? The Oocca canonically speak a different language than Hylians, perhaps the Zonai originally did as well and simply adopted Hyrulean names to better fit in. Rauru was arguably the most important sage. He could have chosen in to appear more humble while still showing his importance. Alternatively he didn’t want to disrespect the dead king by taking his name and/or it would seem arrogant.

[hyrule-in-a-pokeball]

Wind fish and Ocean King are both blatantly whales. You can look at them and see direct real world inspiration. Jabu-Jabu is not a whale. Its just a big marine animal. This is a lot more than Jabu-Jabu’s bottom left tooth. This is bone structure. A bone structure that he does not possess, and that the Ocean King does, for the purre fact that he is a whale, and the skeleton is that of a whale. Jabu-Jabu is not a whale. It is not a recogniseable animal outside of common marine animal features such as fins and a tail fluke. It is purely fantasy in design with its own unique body structure. Considering how unique and not-whale-looking Jabu-Jabu is, I feel like if they were going to make a reference to Jabu-Jabu, they’d go out of their way to make the skeleton actually match instead of throwing a generic whale skeleton in there and calling it a day. You know, like how they did with the levias one? and the Wind fish one?

The freezing of Zora’s Domain wasn’t natural in any way. In OoT, Shiek explains that the freezing was due to a curse placed by Ganondorf, and in Twilight Princess, it freezes again because of Zant. As someone who lives at the base of a mountain range, I can assure you that the weather at the top of said montain range does not affect the weather down here. The mountains are always snow capped, and yet at the foot of the mountain and in the valley beyond it, snow is rare. In fact, its quite humid and tends to rain a lot. And this is in Canada. Zora’s Domain’s proximity to a snowy mountain range doesn’t mean much of anything, especially considering that the only two times its ever frozen over were due to magic and curses.

The problem with your connecting the “very cold mountain range” that Zora’s domain is next to as evidence for the skeleton being Jabu-Jabu is that the skeleton is found in Hebra, not Lanayru. Hebra is clear on the other side of Hyrule, above Rito village, and Mt. Lanayru is to the south of Zora’s Domain, with the mountains surrounding the domain being not all that cold at all. Not even snowy. You can go up there early game without any items or warm clothes.

Who do I think its more likely to be? Based on the evidence: Oshus. The Ocean King.

I also would like to point out that I never said that these skeletons were literally these characters in my original post, by the way. I specifically said they were likely just a direct reference to them and not intended to be the literal corpses of these characters.

@trueblackjew Ocean King was the driving force in Phantom Hourglass. The temple you return to over and over again throughout the game was litterally called “Temple of the Ocean King”. He looked like this for the majority of the game

@sea-of-blood-red-roses Breath of the wild’s placement in the timeline has not been confirmed. Only the vague statement of “It takes place after all other games”. It was never confirmed to be in a specific timeline, and can fit into any of the 3.

People have pointed ut Zelda’s diolog in the kniht ceremony as proof that its in the child timeline,, where she mentions burning embers of twilight, however, this is unique to the english version of the game, with the Japanese version mentioning the Great Sea, which is in a different timeline than Twilight Princess.

Levias exists in the unified timeline, Wind fish in downfall, and cean King in Adult.

For every bit of evidence found in BotW pointing to one timeline, there is evidence pointing to another. I don’t expect Nintendo to ever give a proper statement on its placement.

Also, you can tell just from looking at the inside of Jabu-Jabi’s mouth that the skeletons don’t match him at all

Based on how the inside of Jabu’s mouth looks,, its likely his skull would be more fish-like than Whale-like. Jabu’s skull likely looks more similar to this