#I don't like how the vulcans are treated in a lot of discussions around spock imo. there's a weird angle everyone seems to have that he's

[fluentisonus]

while we're talking about it though that's something really fundamental to spock's character I think in a way I don't always see discussed, that by joining starfleet he's making the explicit and intentional choice that he'd rather be seen as a perfect example of an alien amongst humans than as an imperfect vulcan amongst vulcans. I see this framed a lot as him being more accepted in starfleet than he was on vulcan, and I really don't think that's the case at all: he's still very attached to vulcan, and we see all the prejudice he has to face and how little he's understood in starfleet. but what it comes down to is that he'd rather exist in a place where no one understands him and so he has nothing to prove -- even if that means being very alone -- than in a place where he's surrounded by the familiar & meaningful but everyone can see the ways he can't quite fit. if that makes sense

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I feel like bringing Uhura into the conversation around 1115 undermines the argument as it derails it from the discussion about Sulu. It may seem like an equivalent as Uhura is black and Sulu is Asian but it's not.

Uhura's hate from some Spirk fans doesn't necessarily come from her being black but rather her being a her. We know this because SNW Spirk fans were treating Christine the same ways AOS Uhura was treated and both of them are treated the same way T'Pring has been treated since the 60s. Yes race may play a factor to the severity or types of attacks being made but that isn't the reason the attacks exist. Any female dating Spock will be treated with disdain by those who believe him to be gay. Uhura isn't special in this treatment which means the main motivation isn't race.

I don't think race is the leading motivation for the supposed anti Sulu campaign Spirk shippers apparently launched either but I also don't have a clue what OP is talking about as I, a Spirk shipper in the fandom at the time, never saw anything about Sulu being gay in a negative light outside of Takei's one interview and one thing is for sure in this fandom: Spirk shippers are never quiet about not liking things.

Without an example of what was said OPs experiences are OPs experiences and I can't prove if what they are talking about is actually racist attacks against Sulu or not because I never experienced it.

I will say that based on how the Spirk fandom behaves in general, the most likely case is racist statements were being made by a small group of Spirk shippers OP came across who never made it mainstream but were loud in their own echo chamber and therefore saying Spirk shippers in general as a whole did this is an exaggeration.

Also people not seeing Spock as white because he's Vulcan is stupid, but people not seeing Spock as white because Nimoy was Jewish which is a minority white or not, is an established discrimination Jews face in white centric countries. So keep in mind when talking about Spock's supposed whiteness that white people might not be operating under the idea that Spock, or Kirk for that matter as Shatner is also Jewish, are white at all and if your friends are saying they don't see Spock as white...they might have other reasons for saying so that they either don't register they have or don't want to admit to.

And just to round out my thoughts on this conversation, this happened 8 years ago, and I think the fact that people have to pull fandom receipts from nearly or even over a decade ago to be mad at Spirk shippers about says a lot.

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