#Gotham hot takes

[puppetmaster13u]

Prompt 144

Danny regrets nothing. He regrets absolutely nothing at all. Okay so maybe he regrets things a little bit, but it’s hard to concentrate. It’s hard to think, he…

He’s never died a second time before. 

It’s… weird. His head hurts, his body too-small, not in a younger sense, but almost in a… feeling sense. His skin feels colder, and his hair has- it has bits of white in it now? And he’d already been able to use his ghost abilities even in his human form but it feels… easier now. 

He’s not overshadowing his own corpse- he doesn’t think he is? His head hurts… his everything ached actually, like he’d gotten electrocuted again even if he’s certain that wasn’t how he died.

Did- did someone throw his body into the sewers? 

Seriously, what the heck? Who would do that?! Urgh, that made him so mad- who just throws a corpse around, nevermind his corpse! That’s so rude! 

… 

Hello crocodile-man staring at him in slight horror, please ignore the blood covering the back of his head, the wound has healed, he will be out of your way once he can talk again- Wait, there’s no need to call for someone-

[raepritewrites]

yall sitting there claiming the discowing suit is the most ridiculous costume Nightwing has ever had, when THIS exists?? clowns, all of you - this thing has a poncho/capelet and so much gold you can see my boy from space

frankly I think discowing is tame in comparison, like yes its VERY 70s but at least he didn't have a mullet with it

[bamboozled-distress]

Alfred ready to fuck up nightwings kneecaps so that he can’t leave till hes healed properly is probably one of the only good things that came out from war games 😭 and this is probably the most in character thing that’s come from anyone in the entire event

[thatstheproblemwithnapkinman]

i was having a conversation with someone and brought up i like dc comics so they asked me who my favourite character was and when i said nightwing they responded with

"he's too good for me tbh, he's a great character but a boy scout, why i like batman because he certainly isn't"

and i didn't know how to respond...

[starrycomics]

Look, I know a lot of people find the premise of Gotham War stupid, but I do wonder what all the people complaining about the Jason-mind-control spoiler want from a Bat book at this point

Like, Batman/Zur-En-Arrh taking away Jason’s bodily autonomy in an attempt to rehabilitate him as a murderer is a genuinely interesting plot point! It’s messy and what he’s doing is ethically gross but you can see where his unhinged black-and-white Zur morality brain thinks he’s doing good! But no one on the outside can support it because it’s horrific!

This is obviously going to be the inciting incident for the Batfamily’s split from Batman rather than Selina’s Crime Club, and it’s a completely realistic split point for all of them. Because if you’re a Gotham vigilante who butts heads with Batman a lot (like Batwoman or Spoiler), then finding out his subconscious Failsafe has gone around mind controlling his own wayward son for working against him, there’s no way to ever really trust Batman again

This is prime morally complex Batman angst that’s retrospectively been well set up by the rift with Catwoman. It’s not that the rest of the Bats thought Selina’s plan was realistic and sustainable, it’s that they voiced any disagreement with Bruce at all that’s set this all in motion. Narratively speaking, her plan was never supposed to work indefinitely, it was just supposed to create the dividing lines

I get that superhero-fights-superhero stories aren’t to everyone’s taste, but this is actually coming together quite nicely and is shaping up to be really interesting and exciting

[oddballcobblebot]

hot take i think people who draw gotham nygmobblepot should just use #nygmobblepot instead of #riddlebird as well bc i cannot find comic fanart. get these twinks out of my face im looking for old men

[cloudyghosttea]

I'll will probably get death threats from this, but Vittorio is kinda mid *dodges tomatoes*

[janestvalentine]

Hot take: CW!Gotham Knights, but Turner Hayes and Carrie Kelley are replaced with Kyle and Maps Mizoguchi respectively

[stripesthesupervillain]

There’s got to be a point in Gotham where the villains have caused so much destruction and death that the citizens are BEGGING Batman to just kill the rogues. And Batman’s like “no, it’s not right.” And then Joker breaks out an hour later and bombs an orphanage.

I get he’s trying to be noble, but there’s a limit.

[lushloooser]

Every night I wake up in a cold sweat remembering that someone actually took the time to make this thumbnail.

[ylove-bandaesthetics]

Harley is my biggest DC crush 😫 Back in 2016 everyone either made fun of her or tried to be just like her (both sides being unable to accept the character for what she was) so it’s so cool how she ended up having her own trilogy. In SS she was okay, she was a fun character but I didn’t like how her relationship with Joker was glamorized and all the girls tried to make themselves be like her aka learning how to put up with toxic shit (I do like Joker as a villain, I just don’t think his relationship with Harley should be glamorized), in Birds of Prey she was cool and a bit more independent, but to me, TSS Harley is PEAK Harley. She is the BEST Harley. TOP Harley. Everything about her is so iconic from the red and black colors like in the comics, to how she no longer puts up with toxic behavior, to how she ABSOLUTELY KICKS ASS, not to mention the complexities of her PTSD from being in a relationship with the Joker and how flawlessly Margot portrayed them!! She is QUEEN! And if I had to say my second biggest DC crush, Rick Flag. Definitely. Hes so fine 😂

[reallyunluckyrunaway]

My experience with Gotham Knights... (The Show). (disclaimer: You should probably watch the show first before reading my thoughts about it, since there will be spoilers for the entire show).

Ah, Gotham Knights. A show that was review bombed by almost everyone, before it had even been released...

(Which is counterproductive btw, I mean how am I to trust a "critic's" opinion on anything if they don't even check the damn thing out first?)

A polarizing show for sure, I found myself pleasantly surprised with the mysterious and cut-throat world it set up.

It's about the inexplicable murder of Bruce Wayne and the consequential framing of his adopted son, Turner Hayes.

The characters were entertaining.

Even though they were total hipsters I didn't really find any one of them unbearable to watch.... I'm sorry, but I found them likable. Harper came pretty close to unlikable a few times early on, but gratefully she never crossed the line into unlikabilty. Plus her motivations were mostly very sweet.

Turner was pleasant for an original character. He wasn't cocky or obnoxious, and he never overtook the entire show. Cullen was a nice younger brother character to play off of Harper, and he just happened to be trans. And while it wasn't swept under the rug by any means, it certainly wasn't his only trait either. He was a good example of representation that didn't feel pandering (or) overshadowed and ignored.

Duela (originally only appearing in the comics) was crazy but not just a Joker ripoff. And she was delightfully animated and unhinged to watch. I enjoyed her struggles with her parentage/upbringing (as one would), and the twists and turns within her family history.

While it had some of the classic CW staples in it, I thought they had a decent balance between campy superhero mumbojumbo, and serious 'edgy' plotlines.

The Court of Owls (a under-utilized big bad in the comics) was admittedly a bit underwhelming and ridiculous in some ways, but it was a fun concept... Having a high society-type cult of rich assholes who rule over Gotham, and secretly pull the strings to every happening that goes on there... was something new.

It was interesting to see a group of outcasts that were in WAY over their heads, trying to deal with a common enemy that had eyes and ears everywhere.

Misha Collins as Harvey Dent was a casting stroke of genius: he's understated and has a trustworthy, and yet, unpredictable quality that really lends himself to the: politician with aspirations to help the people of Gotham with a hidden dark side... character well.

Now for my issues with the series:

Something that annoyed me, was how Cullen would figure things out like a damn puzzle master and the other characters would congratulate themselves as geniuses... Despite most the reveals and revelations to said riddles being directly due to Cullen's connecting of the dots. It wasn't a big thing by any means, but it kind of irked me... I mean Harper and Stephanie are the "smart ones"— and even though they had moments to shine in that respect, I honestly thought that Cullen was ultimately "the smart one" in the group. Yet he never got nearly enough credit as such.

Another thing was that as the series waned on mostly episodes 9 through 11— it started to get a little unfocused... hallucinogenic poison and visions of the Batman, it was in these episodes that the CW really started to set in.

(Harvey Dent seizing up, during a mental battle with both the good and dark parts of himself was particularly funny.)

Admittedly, it kind of went into hyper speed in the second half... Relationships bloomed and blossomed seemingly overnight— revelations slapped viewers in the face, And Harvey Dent went mad and madder.

I was bothered by Lincoln's involvement. With all the clues and scenes as they were, it just didn't make any sense. Why would Lincoln send himself this so-called death calling card? Why would he have himself stabbed by his own assassin? A stabbing that almost killed him and put him in a temporary coma no less!? IT JUST DIDN'T ADD UP. The twist on his wife was a shock, but even with her pulling the strings behind said attempted assassination, it still made little sense.

That is till the other twists came....

The "other" Harvey didn't make too much sense either, he was mostly a nut job with a seedy list of crimes spotting his history. Two secret (and questionable) affairs, a couple murders, etc. but we never got to get into his motivations for these acts... Other than the murders of course. And it did ultimately take away from his overall intrigue—

There's a scene in the very last episode, both Duela and Harvey are being held captive. Both of them tied up and basically bound to blow up when the bomb in the same room, goes off.

Harvey and Duela talk and bond a little. And eventually Harvey finds that they're seemingly all out of options. With time ticking, and no sign of rescue showing up. He figures the only way out, is to bring out the "other Harvey". Since Harvey is a snake and most likely will find a way to weasel both himself, (and Duela) out of the situation.

Despite Duela's objections, he makes her promise to help bring him (original recipe Harv) back after they've both been freed.

This never comes to pass, since Harvey 2 is a total dick and ends up getting himself maimed and leaving Duela out to dry. This is probably the most mind boggling decision Harvey could've ever made.... Why would you allow a total psycho to take the metaphorical wheel, and expect them to do anything actually helpful? Why did you ever think he would give a shit about Duela? He left her to rot in prison for 17 years for crying out loud!?

Now you're looking stupid, cause you allowed yourself to be mutilated AND left your own daughter behind to die after promising to make up for all the lost time with her!

Douchebag Harvey did one thing right however— he did get away.

And what's the first thing he does with his newfound freedom? He pays Duela's mom a visit. (The woman who sold Duela out and let her be taken hostage by the Court of Owls). He tells her that she should be ashamed of her actions and that he's here to take care of her because she quote: "hurt their daughter."

...Which is true, she did betray Duela's trust.

BUT THIS IS THE DOUCHEBAG HARVEY TALKING! THE SAME GUY THAT JUST LEFT DUELA TO DIE AND LET HER LIVE IN ARKHAM ASYLUM FOR YEARS. WHY DOES HE GIVE A SHIT ABOUT HER "HURTING" DUELA?

This made no fucking sense. And it annoyed me to no end. Is Jane Doe a good mom? No. No she isn't. But let's please not make it out like other Harvey somehow "loved" his daughter either, okay?

I do believe that og Harvey loves her and would have loved her if he'd known about her.. but d-bag Harvey? Ain't no fucking way.

But let's get back to the positives:

I liked the pure absence of relationship drama. All the characters had chemistry with each other, but there were no love triangles or jealousy. Which is an accomplishment imo.... A teeny bop-drama without a massive focus on banal relationship drama? Now how can this be!?

Much like our friend Harvey, this show had two faces: One was a fun mystery/heist show about a bunch of wayward outcasts running against the clock to solve a murder and clear their names.

—And the other, was a soapy drama dealing in torrid relationships and CW type twists.

Overall, I had a good time watching this. It flew-by fast, and I personally wouldn't have minded watching more.

The characters were probably my favorite part of the series. They made a cute team that sometimes butted heads and didn't see eye to eye... I'm a sucker for that dynamic. (I mean, I grew up on the og Teen Titans, Justice League, and TMNT... What can I say? I love a good team up show.)

I think going into this with low expectations and all the critiques that people had put out there, actually saved it for me...

Because I'll be honest, I wasn't expecting a lot. But I definitely felt differently than the majority of people when I was done.

[just-your-average-gothamite]

Hot take to all superheroes: yelling 'fight it' and 'snap it of it' and 'i know you're in there somewhere' at mind controlled allies does not undo the mind control

On an unrelated note, I heard every word of Batman and Robin's fight with poison ivy at my school today

[awritingotaku]

So… gonna put myself out there and hope I don’t get shot where I stand, but CW’s Gotham Knights actually looks like it has a shot at being decent.

I still fondly remember Gotham, trust me it was my comfort show in high school, and I don’t think this will be able to top it. However, there is rays of hope for the show

First, let’s get this out of the way. A lot do the issues people have about the main character and the robins situation is because of DC and their stingy copyright rules. We saw it with Gotham and we are seeing it here again. However, this is giving a chance for less appreciated characters to get the spot light.

Now, I think one of the things that gives me hope is the refences to less mainstream parts of Gotham. I mean an Olive Sliverlock/Gotham Academy reference is like Christmas for me because of how uncommon acknowledgment of the comic is. But that also can me that there are fans behind the wheel. I have more trust in an adaptation if fans are behind the wheel than. We are never going to get a perfect adaption but if we get people who understands the fans and respects us, then I got hope.

Also just Misha Colins as Harvey Dent. Just he gets the character. He has a talent for humanizing characters and after Gotham’s Dent I’m happy to see his performance in the pilot. I can talk about why Harvey Dent is one of my favorite characters but that would take a while.

Also can we does talk about some of the shots and set design of the show. It looks gorgeous.

[riddlers-left-buttcheek]

straight outta arkham

i fear i have more of this riddle-y fag

[oddballcobblebot]

people who constantly call the comics version of oswald cobblepot ugly or gross and say they only like gothams version infuriate me. like come on can we stop calling fat people with "unattractive features" ugly/gross. we need to move on from the whole idea that robin's penguin is the only attractive form of him.