#Flowey and papyrus friendship

[sera8273]

You know how some people compare Martlet and Papyrus together - The greatest Puzzler Duo Ever btw - and how others compare, rarely, Undyne and Ceroba together -bc they’re amazing!!

My comparison with the UT and UTY characters is Starlo with getting the Papyrus and Sans Treatment (bc Starlo doesn’t get enough screen time and come on a genocide battle against Starlo would be awesome-)

What I mean by treatments is basically like this;

Now it’s Starlo gets the Sans treatment -Remembers the genocide, pacifist, and neutral routes, knows what Saves, Reloads and Files are, Knows that they’re in a game-

And the Papyrus Treatment -Friendly to everyone, not willing to kill anyone, always seeing the good in people, very well- and all that stuff

But then I realized that Starlo basically only had Papyrus personality and not characteristics or something that sans had

So after looking after some UT comic dubs containing the two brothers.

It hitted me like a fucking train (no pun intended)

Papyrus Relaionship with Flowey

It fits so well!!

Just imagine:Starlo is full on confused about what’s going on, he’s visiting Clover again, talking and rambling about whatever he could, and then a seemingly shy Flowey pops up and Starlo and Flowey chat. Starlo, seeing how Clover and Flowey were friends, starts to befriend Flowey right off the bat, they start to help eachother but little does Starlo know that Flowey is playing him like a fiddle, manipulating and bending him to his will!!

Comics like ‘A Thorn in My Side’ ‘PlaybackTale’ and ‘Like it Never Happened’ are my main study about how I think Starlo and Flowey relationship would really be about

Flowey would be Manipulative, Toxic and all in all A bad influence on Starlo but once he got to open up with him he would start to have doubts and regret and start to actually feel happiness but since he’s been doing this for so long he doesn’t realize when he’s being a manipulative asshat or a simply misguided soul

Starlo would be eager to agree, anything to get help with things like SAVES and RESETS and while he questions Flowey on certain methods he does oblige and give into the flowers demands, knowing that there’s something else at stake, Starlo gets Flowey to open up more and be his true actual self

This is just all so much which is why ima write a story bout it!! Which will probably take some months!!

[sunsestart]

What a familiar feeling...

I think he's starting to enjoy life on the surface

Perhaps he's not irreparable, he could even try to make new friends

[arrimorr]

OK SINCE WE ARE SUDDENLY EATING TODAY I decided to repost some of my old Papyrus and Flowey fanart

[toonetowne]

WAKE UP WAKW UP NEW NEWSLETTER JUST DROPPED

[floweycidal]

this thought is probably anything but original and has likely crossed the minds of many before me, but my brain insists on making light of it before i can move on with my evening. i've got to give that flower a little ribbing. it's non-negotiable.

insep(a)rable is misspelled here. rather than chalking it up to a simple human error by the devs, i'm choosing to see it as flowey slightly mispronouncing it.

he's read it all, hell, he burned through every book he could find. his vocabulary must be massive on paper, but that's just it. it's all On Paper. he can very well recognize how words look… just not how to say half of them.

sure, he's reset plenty after doing the unforgivable, the unspeakable, and the plain wrong, and yeah, he's also countlessly rewound time with death checking its watch nearby.

but the silliness within me persists, thence i remain convinced his number one trigger for resetting was just absolutely demolishing the pronunciation of words he'd only seen in print.

he'd be there, absolutely glowing with unearned confidence, right before mangling whatever pretentious five-syllable word he'd been dying to show off. that's the kind of embarrassment you need to erase an entire timeline for. i get you so bad flowey

flowey: blah blah blah blah... co-lo-nel

papyrus: MY GOOD FRIEND, DO YOU MEAN KERNEL?

flowey:

flowey:

flowey: Long ago, two races ruled over Earth: MO-

[calciumdreams]

inspired by the recent ask: 2 cool guys in a date

[promise-keeper-papyrus]

UT AU, where Asgore succeeded in getting all 7 human souls, broke the barrier and declared war on humanity...

However, a few moments after the soul-powered king began his rampage on the nearest human city, the souls escaped his body and attacked him until he was on the brink of death...

The souls leave and the city humans finish him off, then the humans begin to destroy or capture the rest of Asgore's kingdom in revenge...

The surviving monsters either fled to the forest to hide or stayed in the Ruins with a depressed Toriel...

Asgore is dead and Toriel stays in the Ruins comsumed by depression over his death and the destruction of their kingdom.

Most of the Ruins Monsters have no idea what's going on.

Undyne is the new leader of what's left of the kingdom... She hates humans more than ever, wishing to make them go extinct... She became a colder, more serious person (like how she is when she's wearing her helmet, only it's all the time now).

Alphys was overwhelmed with the grief and guilt of losing so many people as well as being hurt by the hatred the family members of the amalgamates are giving her... You see, Alphys left the amalgamates in the lab when the war began and the amalgamates got captured by humans, so the family members are less forgiving of Alphys when she tells the truth... In her pain, Alphys creates a special potion that takes her ability to feel emotions away so Alphys can focus on helping Undyne, making her even colder than Undyne.

Mettaton is a shell of his former self... He's constantly nervous and he's horrified by all the messed-up things that are happening, but he's too scared to actually do anything about it... After Napstablook got captured and he lost his TV Show Fame, Mettaton basically became the new Alphys and he isn't as vengeful against the humans as most monsters are.

Papyrus tries his best to stay hopeful, but he became kinda depressed after Sans' death by human hands... He wants to prove to Undyne that he can kill a human like her... But instead he befriends one named Frisk.

Monster Kid is staying hopeful like Papyrus, but he's not as depressed, since his whole family is still alive and also not captured.

Napstablook and Mad Dummy were both captured by humans.

Muffet and most of the spiders were captured by humans, but a only a few small ones managed to escape.

Grillby is one of the guardians of the Monsters' Hiding Place in the forest.

Jerry was captured by the humans and he's ironically the only monster that managed to escape on his own, much to everyone's disbelief.

Sans was killed shortly after Asgore's death.

Flowey is ironically probably having the least terrible time right now... After the barrier broke, he traveled across the surface, both the forest and the city (while pretending to be a normal flower when the humans are watching)... The barrier breaking somehow made him lose his ability to reset... After Papyrus and Frisk befriend each other, Flowey befriends Frisk, because the child reminds him of Chara... Flowey is less evil and less mean then in canon, but still calls other people idiots sometimes.

Papyrus traps Frisk in the forest and tries to kill Frisk, but he couldn't do it and lets Frisk go instead... Immediately Frisk knocks Papyrus to the ground and is about to stab him in the skull with a knife... But Frisk decides against and calmly tells Papyrus to leave the child alone, then Frisk quietly walks away... And that's how their beautiful friendship starts!

The 7th soul that Asgore used was Frisk's older sibling and Frisk vowed to destroy what's left of the monsters in revenge... But Frisk couldn't destroy a monster that spared the child's life... Eventually, both Frisk and Papyrus realize that they were both wrong about each other's species and that revenge/war is stupid.

Neither Frisk nor Papyrus killed anyone before and they form a forbidden friendship.

(This is AU is based on the fact that Flowey eventually lost control over the human souls... and on the fact that Asriel had trouble controlling Chara's soul... What if the same happened to Asgore if he gets all the souls?)

[justaweirdo06]

Not all of us are weirdos man...

Mhuyo. “x.com.” X (Formerly Twitter), 7 May 2024, x.com/Mhuyo/status/1787888207465468088?t=0Rd06yI7FO_y2A7VvBYhIQ&s=19. Accessed 11 May 2024.

On that note, how come Tumblr is the only place I can find Snapdragon content that isn't them being shipped together or people saying how toxic their friendship must be?

[junipers-insects]

Are they friends

The

Fell Papyrus and Fell Flowey

Are they

Are they not friends

What is going on here

This is a cry for help

[momentomori24]

Flowey and Papyrus have been one of my favourite Undertale relationships for years (even tho we never actually see them interact personally in the game don't ask me why) and I'm so fucking happy there's been a surge in art for these two sillies since the newsletter and Q&A. As well as just more official content of them interacting in general, FINALLY. To anyone who's made art for them-- thank you for your cooking services. You've kept a desperate, starving thing fed this month. To anyone who hasn't-- please consider cooking some food, please.

[soapy-python]

Day 9: Papyrus (and flowey)

Quick sketch bcuz I’m sick

[the-n3w3st-g1rl-g1rl]

Golden flower tea, dinosaur egg oatmeal, and an explanation about what the hell is going on with Flowey

[justanechoflower]

Hi Floweyyyyyyyy so I’ve been thinking.. considering how Papyrus started a Flowey fanclub in a couple of timelines, did you ever think of making a Papyrus fanclub as well? I know it sounds stupid, but you can think of it as just a funny thought :P

[rose-void-789]

Okay okay but undetale mood: I had this thought a bit ago but like something clicked on why Flowey doesn't feel emotions it's so obvious and I'm sure others have said it but you all know monsters souls are made up of love, hope, and compassion so of course when all that's taken away your gonna feel soulless.

Like it's so obvious but I don't know why until recently it clicked why he's like he is. Because he's so weird, he claims to not feel anything but he obviously still deeply cares for Chara, he's afraid of death, and he likes Papyrus enough, this isn't someone who truly can't feel anything. He always had feelings it's just he doesn't really have positive ones I mean the absence of love, hope, and compassion will lead to apathy and despair. Mix that with time travel powers and of course, he was going to try to get a kick out of anything. Apathy isn't a fun feeling to shake off but Papyrus must have done something right for him to be so entertaining. And the absence of those emotions doesn't mean he can't form strong connections or have desire. Like it's a weird thing to hear that he did take care of Toriel if he didn't feel anything towards her. Yeah it's hard to care about people when you can't love but you could still care, you could still form a strong emotional tie to someone, a strong social tie even, and he did love his mother before.

[iced-souls]

Also thought of this other idea—:

Taking place with papyrus after the gaster accident, papyrus very sad on the inside but seems like his normal self on the outside. Also I feel like you all should keep in mind that I have reasons to believe that when it comes to some gaster related stuff I am heavily inspired from ‘unexpected guests’ so bear with me here—

So with gaster being in his dreams or what not that makes him feel worse when he always gets insulted in there.

SO MY IDEA, was that “WeLl HoW iS hE StiLL aBLe To DeAL wItH iT???”, so i thought of what if just when he was starting to tip off the edge, someone new came into his life and counteracted whatever the “feeling bad about himself” stuff that happened in his dreams?

*cough cough* flowey *cough cough*

Which even though I feel it’s still kinda unhealthy seeing as flowey uses compliments for manipulation 90% of the time, but honestly I feel like papyrus wouldn’t care cause it’s still something.

And if papyrus remember the resets, including ones where flowey is insulting and killing him possibly, then I still feel like papyrus wouldn’t care cause I think that the first couple of resets did not include any of that, so papyrus was already feeling a little better about himself enough.

[under-lore]

What could Sans find out about Flowey ?

By finishing a neutral route over and over again multiple times, Flowey has some unique dialogues in which he mentions various trivia or shares his thoughts on some of the other characters.

One such character is Sans, who Flowey notably gives us a warning about.

However, the way he words that warning feels a little intriguing :

While Sans is generally a very perceptive character who is often capable of making pretty good guesses from limited information, Flowey makes it rather obvious that he is speaking from experience rather than simply making a general comment about Sans' observation skills.

But a question that isn't brought up very often is, what was it exactly that Sans would frequently "find out" about Flowey to warrant this warning ? And how ?

While the question may seem unanswerable at first due to Flowey not giving us any specifics whatsoever, there are a few details scattered throughout the game which may allow us to deduce our way towards what was most likely the intended answer.

First, we know what solution Flowey ended up settling with in order to deal with whatever that issue was : Simply avoiding Sans.

In any given timeline, Flowey took the habit of avoiding to be seen by or around Sans at any point, unless he specifically had something in mind that required him to do so. (such as in the pacifist ending) As a general rule of thumb, he would avoid Sans altogether as much as possible.

However, even with that effort on Flowey's side, a quick mention of a talking flower from Papyrus is already enough to seemingly get Sans at least a little suspicious that something may be up with that.

This is our second clue : The fact that it took Sans so little information for him to get suspicious of what Papyrus told him about a flower.

Our last clue is the few words we hear from Sans after he sees and hears Flowey at the end of the pacifist route :

In order to find out what to make of those clues, we need to introduce a fourth element : Sans' scientific background.

Luckily, none of the more complicated or speculative nuances of that side of his character are required here, all that we need is to highlight his somewhat-hidden friendship with Alphys.

She knows him well enough to call his jokes in advance :

Or here, the game more obviously points out that these two seem surprisingly friendly.

Sans tries to play it off, but it is clear they know a lot more about each other than seems at first glance.

But how much exactly ?

Well...

To go back to our main point, if one were to call Papyrus' phone in front of Alphys' lab, the conversation between the skeletons brothers would eventually deviate towards the question of wether or not Alphys is hiding dogs inside of her lab.

To which Sans answers, winking :

If it had just been this one joke, it may have been a coincidence, but the game doubles down on this exact same implication if you call Papyrus from within the lab as well, showing that this connection between Sans and Endogeny was absolutely intentional :

While the determination experiments were sorely Alphys' entreprise, it appears that Sans was at least made aware of the way they ended up playing out.

We cannot affirm with certainty how much detail exactly Sans has regarding the experiments, but if he is aware for the dogs and possibly even involved in dealing with them (as he had the dog food bag in his room), then he most definitely would also know about the vessel too. It was the main goal, after all.

This vessel had a few particularities.

First, it was a golden flower, the flower from the outside world, chosen for symbolic reasons.

But second, that specific golden flower was chosen because it was different from the rest.

It was at the center of the garden, it had grown before all the others, those were the ones mentioned by Alphys in her entries. But there was one more specificity which she omitted to bring up :

Golden flowers in Undertale are a species of flowers which has 5 petals.

But our "vessel" had a mutation, resulting in an extra 6th petal.

A design choice in part, perhaps, but one that takes a very real in-world importance within this context.

Adding to this that, from the view of the current timeline iteration, the vessel seems to have suddenly vanished one day and...

Since it is likely for Sans to have been aware of all of this, now, it makes a lot of sense that the mere idea of a new mysterious talking flower that says strange things showing up out of nowhere would immediately put him on high alert. A potential connection with the missing vessel is easy to make.

Actually, now that we have this context, even Alphys seems to make the same connection as well after hearing Papyus mentioning a talking flower just before Flowey arrives.

But most of all, it now feels incredibly clear why Flowey needs to avoid being seen by Sans so much.

His entire appearance, and particularly his obvious extra 6th petal, are all dead giveaways of his origins.

Could Sans, who is skilled enough at analysing faces to tell the difference between the face of someone that has died 9 or 10 times in a row, really miss out on such blaring evidence ?

Of course not.

Flowey might as well have written "i am the vessel" on his face with a marker as far as Sans is concerned.

Chances are that merely seeing Flowey even once would be all it takes for Sans to be practically certain that Flowey must be the former vessel.

Not only that, but given that those experiments were all about determination, the so called "resolve to change fate", Flowey would also immediately be considered extremely likely to be the anomaly, too.

This is what we see in this scene :

Not only does Sans get to see Flowey here, but the speech that Flowey makes during this scene also provides him with definitive evidence that Flowey really was the "anomaly" he had been worried about, as his psychological profile matches extremely well with the one Sans shows us to have built for the anomaly in a genocide route. But, it also shows him that Flowey has, for now at least, lost his anomalous time powers to Frisk, and is thus struggling to keep them in his "game".

This suggests that for now, Frisk actually still has the advantage, and that despite all those crazy speeches, without his reset powers, that weirdo has got nothing on them.

But this is all later on in the story.

During Flowey's earlier RESETs, being seen by Sans, even once, quickly becomes a major pain for Flowey in every timeline iteration in which it happens.

At best, he might get "pranked accross time and space" a number of times. At worst, Flowey might have no choice but to reset and start all over again on whatever he was aiming to do.

Except this time around, without letting the smiley trashbag learn ANYTHING about him.