#FloatingAboveClouds

[fearlessyou]

Would you ride in a hot air balloon? Buckle up for an unforgettable escapade in a hot air balloon. Tell us are you ready to embrace the skies?

[cementandaluminum]

Would you ride in a hot air balloon? Fancy soaring through the sky in a majestic hot air balloon? Share your thoughts with us.

[elizabethrobertajones]

It is I, plot twisty. I was wondering if you could link me to some stuff you have written about Castiel's trench coat (bc I'm 99% sure you have) I'm just so excited because I love the new one so much. Also, I happen to be the person asking about the Winchesters and plaid shirts in season 12. I loved the way you analyzed the clothes of the characters and your attention to detail, because that stuff mostly remains unseen by my humble eyes. (Also I think you have a tag for the clothes stuff?!?)

Aaah hi! Were you why I wrote a 1000 mile long post with a screen cap of every shirt Mary wore in season 12? You are most welcome back in my inbox, that was a ton of fun :D 

I think my trenchcoat tag (the serious one not the “sam shoe saga” where all the fashion nonsense goes) has largely got other people’s meta in it because so much awesome stuff has been written before I ever got there so I mostly just summarise what everyone else has said when asked :P It’s like the Car Is Dean’s Soul thing: I’m 100% behind it but other people are way more into it so… :P I mean I will write the trenchcoat stuff and sob about it but @floatingaboveclouds​ really picked it up a while back (and sadly she’s been not around much lately) and at the moment @gneisscastiel​ is sobbing about it all the time. 

Aah my “trenchcoat meta” tag isn’t even on my tag list… See, there’s always something :P

http://floatingaboveclouds.tumblr.com/post/100097338173/cas-trench-coat-meta

This is what I always think of as the Definitive Trenchcoat Meta just because I read it first, ages ago, and it really got me into it :P 

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/133234217428/excuse-me-while-i-need-a-moment

Some thoughts about VERY early Cas and coat stuff.

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/96865417548/interruptingpanda-savingsammyhuntingdestiel

Me being sad about it in 7x17

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/147044421392/dustydreamsanddirtyscars-8x07-a-little-slice

A season 8/9x01 look at it (I mean… written at LEAST after season 10 if I remember but from the POV of 8x07 about the early Carver era trenchcoat stuff we usually skip before going right to the new trenchcoat and all the nonsense they use it for :P)

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/105554354818/today-is-one-of-those-days-i-find-myself-having-a

Oh and more on the original coat and Cas’s identity (circa 9x23 at least)

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/117930210038/jimmys-clothing-meta-10x20-edition

Some overview on Cas up to 9x09 and Jimmy in general

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/149775846930/castiel-knight-of-hell-i-know-we-all-miss

This is a like 1 line meta on the new coat in 9x10

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/161446778708/littlehollyleaf-neven-ebrez-cas-jacket-is

Here’s a season 9 original - I think the first post really yelling about the discovery of the plaid under the collar!

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/164795829481/mittensmorgul-littlehollyleaf-drsilverfish 

This is a great one from 9x18 when it aired that I stumbled on recently but remember reading at the time so it was one of my Formative Meta Experiences (I just didn’t reblog a whole lot until the season 9-10 hiatus really started so all this great stuff is kind of lost to time to me unless I’m blog snooping and stumble on it >.> Thankfully I blog snoop a lot.)

I’m so frustrated because I can’t find my reblog (if I ever did) of the deleted scene gifs of Cas sewing the trenchcoat with commentary about him doing Human Things™… >.> My blog from before like… late season 10/the hiatus after… is really badly tagged so the good stuff is all a mystery :P

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/130068247568/littlehollyleaf-4persephone-i-actually-find

(I found another!)

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/97817693623/a-deep-shade-of-blue-is-always-there

Here’s a season 9-10 hiatus post from me where I talk about how the combination of coat and song got me to ship Destiel textually because it was all so intrinsically linked and the whole deeper symbolism of what the coat means to Cas and how the lyrics in that song used it.

https://justanotheridijiton.tumblr.com/post/98218136134

And the no need for words version… >.>

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/163908715733/gneisscastiel-replied-to-your-post

This one I wrote myself recently about Metatron in 9x22 trying on the coat and what I thought it meant in this context (as you can see I am still basically in a season 9 mindset about it :P)

https://justanotheridijiton.tumblr.com/post/142607939029/the-plaid-trenchie

Mel has all the gratuitous plaid shots…

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/101030511793/deathbyspookyopen-hallowedbecastiel-10x02

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/100110462763/can-we-talk-about-how-as-soon-as-cas-went-through

This from 10x02 but the first doesn’t take into account that in the shot of Hannah putting the coat over Cas WE can see the plaid, I guess just from her perspective she misses it or doesn’t understand the symbolism (especially not that everyone leaped on the meta idea of “being draped in the flag of heaven” and what her actions were doing :P) - Floatingaboveclouds’s original Trenchcoat Meta is circa this episode and explains it best and it’s sort of the words in the back of my head about that scene all the time now.

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/147389591616/cas-crowley-trench-coats-and-parallels

Something from 10x14 which makes perfect sense because the new trenchcoat was from 9x10 but I just skim read the post and I’m not 100% sure they really got into it like I would have…

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/116643283603/cas-trench-coat-meta-10x18-edition

For 10x18 and Cas taking off his coat there :D

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/131414819958/cas-trench-coat-meta-11x02-edition

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/131982763978/cas-clothing-meta-11x03-edition-part-1

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/131983260278/cas-clothing-meta-11x03-edition-part-2

Some early season 11 meta!

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/138413634723/heey-i-rewatched-11x06-and-i-think-cas-is

Some thoughts about Cas in the start of season 11 and parallels to Casifer and how he was wearing Cas’s clothes…

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/139716966318/why-is-casifer-shown-wearing-the-coat-in-the-next

11x15 and some more thoughts on Casifer

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/158190035758/do-you-think-cas-would-change-into-another-outfit

This is from earlier this hiatus giving an overview but I think I should add now with hindsight, talking about a full wardrobe upheaval, because there’s obviously different meaning in Cas going right back to something nearly identical to his original get up, and I’d rather muse on what that means when I know HOW he ends up with his new costume for season 13, so that’s a meta I’ll only write after 13x06. No leather jacket yet. >.> 

Here’s some interesting takes on it with a different perspective:

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/163901981347/a-study-in-trench-coat

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/163903036052/heya-hope-youre-having-a-good-day-onwards-with

https://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/post/163786906919/gneisscastiel-as-season-13-approaches-i-have

All of this is informing my thoughts right now on it and I know there’s a bunch of meta I missed… I mean just scrolling these posts I’m sure there’s gaps in trenchcoat-related events that I or others have talked about and uuugh even when I try and collect all the meta I’ve tagged badly in the past or was too shy when I was new to fandom and missed a whole bunch of the most important posts at the end of season 9 which drastically shaped how I read the show… I’m always happy to talk MORE about it :P

I guess adding this all up the one thing I can say about the new trenchcoat for season 13 is that is it a trenchcoat and that means it carries all this baggage, just as the 2nd one carried the baggage of the first, but it’s in a different form. If Cas picked it for himself, it will be like 9x10 and 8x07, where he chooses to go back to the original look. If it’s picked for him it will be a different story - more like 7x17 or 9x18 or 11x06 - times when he put the coat on hesitantly or was given a strong push to go for a choice that wasn’t particularly a choice, or because someone else was shaping his image for him. 

10x01-3 especially were LADEN with Cas identity stuff and included a lot of messing around with the trenchcoat, and it was also the first part of the show I enjoyed in fandom meta-ing with everyone else, so I have ideas about it very planted in my head :P I think I will always associate it with his angelic identity as the “flag of heaven” because of the 9x18/9x22/9x23 synergy about Cas, Metatron, and all the stuff going on between them. I think that whole chunk of the show with 9x14 as an outlier on one end and 10x18 on the other but mostly the end of season 9 and start of season 10 separated Cas out to tell a very specific story about who he was and what he wanted, and the trenchcoat played a huge part in that symbolism. And that starts with him picking a new one in 9x10 when re-asserting his angel identity (after joining in as a hunter in 9x09 in the same get up including the season 10-12 tie in an early appearance) and that act in itself was a sort of “be useful to the Winchesters or die human” scenario, and so I think like Dean on the phone in 9x09, I am very suspicious about Cas’s choice actually saying anything about what he WANTS when it comes to his identity, and the main block of episodes about this unpack it a lot more…

If Cas comes back in a new trenchcoat which is like the original flavour one, it might be like what it was used for in 8x07 - a “everything is okay” red flag that Cas put himself back together for appearances’ sake but of course he was being controlled by Naomi and it was the first scene Dean voices his immediate suspicions Cas did not come back naturally and there was something fishy about it - which of course he carries on worrying about until the Crypt Scene when it all becomes clear, and then Cas only stays in that outfit a handful more episodes until he becomes human and has to pick drinking water over maintaining the image and wearing his original battle armour.

There’s also the fact the trenchcoat IS the original battle armour to him and like in 9x18 or 11x06 the new one at very least feels like armour and we can see him using it as that emotionally… It’s not a bad thing for him to have a new old trenchcoat style to mimic how he used to be if it’s for his own strength and comfort… I just think that overall he’s headed in a different way than staying in the trenchcoat forever and a 3rd variation is going to be fascinating. I hope there’ll be a lot to comment on, like with the 2nd one when it was new there was like 2 seasons of heavy exploration of it as a meta subject before they sort of chilled out again and it became a more incidental feature. Or the times Cas had the original restored to him or like how it looked in Purgatory (see! even more incidents I couldn’t quickly find a post on :P)

And of course there’s the mystery about what Cas might wear while he’s dead, why he’s in a $2600 suit in the first scene of 13x06, and so on and so on. Season 13 has SO many more ways to fuck with us before we get to the new coat :P 

[mittensmorgul]

A lot of the show fans have come to the conclusion that Adam's soul went to heaven when he was molotov'd, like how Jimmy died after Cas' first death. But-- then we get Death telling Dean to choose between removing Sam OR Adam's soul from the cage. Meaning he's still probably down there. What do you think? Is he in heaven, or is he still down in the cage with a mentally unstable powerful archangel.

I don’t mean to sound dismissive here, but I get asked this question every few months, and I’ve answered it so many times that I kinda have an insta-groan reaction to it. I can only link you to everything I’ve said on the subject before:

http://mittensmorgul.tumblr.com/post/130962811400/they-remembered

Oh, here’s a post from 2014 responding to that:

http://mittensmorgul.tumblr.com/post/104837064620/cinnamonsentry-roguishfeathers

I kinda allude to Death’s repeated “testing” of Dean here:

http://mittensmorgul.tumblr.com/post/144380034745/the-empty-and-amaras-offer but the post really isn’t about that.

I think we touch on it here:

http://mittensmorgul.tumblr.com/post/153534420375/floatingaboveclouds-spearywritesstuff 

I know I absolutely have answered this ask multiple times, but I either neglected to tag those replies properly, or tumblr’s search function is just... not very functional... (not to mention that it has now been like 2 hours since I started trying to reply, and my internet has gone down like 9 times, and I am at a point where I would rather fling the router out into the thunderstorm to meet its deserved fate with a direct damn lightning strike than continue to rage-search my own blog for stuff in between thunder booms... sorry :P)

But the primary arguments for this are based on Death’s ~limitations~. Yes he’s a massively powerful being who isn’t sure if he’s older than god or not because it all happened so long ago it’s gone blurry... but he can’t really interfere too much with Creation or else he could inadvertently set off a rolling series of cosmic consequences, you know. And that was one of Deaths very first lessons to Dean.

6.11 is still in my top 5 favorite episodes of this entire show, and it clearly lays out how those consequences play out if the balance isn’t restored. There is a natural order, and Death must remain an impartial witness, or the entire system breaks down. It would be chaos.

He began his “bargain” with Dean by essentially proving his point-- that Dean didn’t care about the cosmic consequences, he only cared about Sam. He did this by giving Dean that choice, KNOWING that Dean would always choose Sam. It wasn’t about altruism on Dean’s part. Because Dean had thrown Adam’s soul into the bargain FIRST. DEAN initiated that. Which meant that Death already KNEW that Dean believed Adam’s soul was there, whether or not it were literally true. It gave Death some leverage, already putting Dean on the spot, making him understand how wrong and selfish what he was asking for really was.

But Death held up his end of the bargain anyway, even after Dean failed the “test.” Because it was never really a test, it was a lesson. A lesson about the consequences of messing with the natural order. That Dean honestly did understand. Instead of just essentially quoting the entire first act of 6.11 here, please just go read the section marked Act 1 on the Superwiki transcript. I’ll sum it up here:

Dean goes in full of false bravado, trying to use Death’s ring as leverage to secure Death’s help in retrieving Sam’s soul. Death swats that idea down, points out Dean’s hubris, and tells him to get on with it.

It doesn’t really come through in the transcript but Dean’s basically bs’ing his way through this whole conversation, and he sort of throws Adam in as an afterthought, because if Death is gonna be down there saving Sam anyway, why not ask for Adam too.

Death appears to consider this request, and then asks Dean to pick. I don’t see it as Death “considering the request and then forcing Dean to choose one or the other.” Death KNEW who Dean would pick if given a choice. Even if it was a FALSE CHOICE, because it never really was a choice at all. But making it seem like Dean actually DID have a choice... well, it serves SO MANY narrative purposes.

It leaves the reality of Adam’s location vague and up for interpretation

It puts ALL of Deaths motivations and actions up for further consideration

it makes it obvious that Dean’s first choice will always be Sam. he didn’t even hesitate.

it showed us that regardless of the truth, Dean still believed that Adam might be in the cage, giving Death even MORE leverage over Dean

and letting Dean experience the full weight of the guilt that he HAD made that choice

But the original story of An Appointment in Samarra is all about fate. It’s about the fact that you can’t really outrun death once it’s your time to go. It boils down to the equivalent of, “No matter what choice you make, we’ll always end up here.” Death always wins.

Billie even mentions Death’s fascination with Sam and Dean, how he’d had this soft spot for them, and found them mildly entertaining, clearly favoring the two of them for having brought them back (or allowed them to be brought back) over and over again in seeming violation of the natural order.

The other main argument against Adam actually being in the cage is the fact that Sam has never ONCE mentioned the fact. His soul was trapped in the cage with Michael and Lucifer for nearly two centuries (a year and a half in hell time, based on Dean’s 4 months equaling 40 years, would be about 180 years, give or take, presuming Cage Time was the same as Hell Time). We’ve seen him have flashbacks to the cage in s6, in s7, and again in s11. And never once did they ever have anything to do with Adam. Or even with Michael. But you’d think after all this time it would weigh on Sam just a little to know that his brother was still trapped in the cage.

It was never brought up during s11 when Sam was negotiating with Lucifer. It was never brought up by Lucifer himself throughout s11 or s12 to torment Sam and Dean with. Because it would torment them.

Again, apologies if any of this is less-than-lucid, but I’ve had it up to HERE with the internet going kerplonk every four minutes. I’m just grateful I never lost the entirety of this post at any point during the storm. :P

Also, I’m seriously considering creating an Asked And Answered FAQ sort of page for commonly posed questions such as this one. That would be SUPER convenient for me! Okay, Imma tag it Stuff I Get Asked A Lot for the time being. :P

[obsessionisaperfume]

floatingaboveclouds reblogged your post and added:

I can’t remember… Was it after this that Crowley pushed Dean into the closet, smashing the doors to bits?  Because that is quite an interesting sequence of events…

Why, yes.

YES IT WAS.

[almaasi]

Thank you for having such wonderful content in your cockles tag, it was a pleasure to raid it the other day! I hope the sudden influx of notes from me wan't too off putting ;)

are you kidding? I LOVE random influxes of notes! especially from my Cockles tag. c:

[#Cockles]

[theniftythings]

Oh, I'm committed to finishing but finally watching the show all the way through, it's clear to me that I don't love it as much as I'd hoped I would I don't love that the show is plot driven rather than character driven, or that each season is completely different from the season before it And S4. They no idea what to do with Cordy, Connor as a whiny, horny teenager is no fun for anyone, the Wes/Fred/Gunn triangle is the worst, Fred deserves better than to be a prize and Gunn deserves better than to be "the muscle" I'm watching Connor and Angel fight over Cordy and I'm embarrassed for all three I am looking forward to S5, though!

[venusdebotticelli]

One of my favourite stale fanfic tropes: Fake Boyfriends/couple/married etc

Hmmmm this is a very interesting one, I’m actually having a hard time coming up with an original twist on this one :)

Usually when this trope is used it’s because pretending to be a couple provides safety for them, right? A cover when they are investigating a case, when they need to go incognito, when people thinking of them as a couple helps them blend in with their surroundings, or project the image people expect to see of them, right? because it’s safer or beneficious in their situation.

So how about pretending to be a couple when it’s actually a danger to them? They live in a very oppresive regime where queerness is totally forbidden, and they’re both queer but they’re not in love with each other, they simply are political activists protesting, being as offensive to the regime as they possibly can be, and through that dangerous reivindicative relationship they actually end up falling in love.

Or if you wanna go a more sci-fi/fantastical route, they live in a society where falling in love and forming relationships based on love, instead of govenrment assigned partners, is entirely forbidden, and also because of political reasons, they pretend to be in love, as an act of protest, and it evolves into actual love :)

Send me an ask with a stale fanfic trope and I’ll throw back an idea on how to make it fresh again.

[yaelstiel]

floatingaboveclouds replied to your post: bakasara replied to your post: So i ju...

:O Where do you go to find this?

https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/photography.html

[autisticbee]

Once you get this, list 5 things that make you happy and then put this in the ask of 10 people who reblogged from you last. :D

in no particular order 

1. my dog

2. my best friend

3. SPN (more specificity, destiel and cas)

4. cartoons

5. Misha collins

and a bonus 6. fall out boy

[lizardkingeliot]

floatingaboveclouds replied to your post: anonymous said:Claire is coming b...

It would open the door for a canon confirmation that Jimmy is no longer in that body, which I think is something that needs to be addressed on the show before Destiel can comfortably become more than subtext.

Yeah this is very true. I had sort of given up hope that we would get any text on the matter, but if Cas and Claire are going to be meeting again I can't see a scenario in which it's not explicitly brought up...

[elizabethrobertajones]

floatingaboveclouds replied to your post“SPN Hellatus Rewatch: 2x06 Or: this is the one with the scariest ghost...”

omg you are on what episode?? *still trying to finish S1* ;) I'm going to have to start bookmarking your write ups so that I can find them when I catch up!

Aaah, I’m still behind as well! :P Every time I get myself together and say “I’m going to keep watching and catch up!” I spend 3 days in a row horizontal and delirious and watching Orphan Black. :P  (It honestly takes me a day to watch an episode of anything even if I’m not taking notes because my attention span has got so bad. Eurgh.)

I’m tagging them all specifically so I can find them again with my old rewatching tag from the really delirious re-watches I did over the last few months :P (If you go back to the beginning the one for 8x08 is still my favourite ridiculous post :P) Seemed easier than coming up with another tag. So you can find them all there without cluttering up your bookmarks. :3

http://elizabethrobertajones.tumblr.com/tagged/weird-rewatching

[elizabethrobertajones]

floatingaboveclouds

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SPN Hellatus Rewatch: 1x12 Or: the moment Dean n...

*doesn’t look* Ha! I literally just opened my dash to peek at the fandom before I type up my 1x12 notes, and this is the top post on my dash! *throws it in tab and runs to get my rough notes to type*

I’m not going to lie, this one is a hell of a mess. :P I wrote it over 2 days of weird fever brain.

[venusdebotticelli]

floatingaboveclouds ha contestado tu pregunta “After eight thousand years with the same theme, I’ve finally changed...”

It looks great! Love the (oh gosh brain fog) mouse thing. The links that I tried seemed to work. The hover and reveal link descriptions appeared. The pictures and the fish are fantastic :D No obvious problems that I can see. I really like it!

panicatthedeviltrap ha contestado tu pregunta “After eight thousand years with the same theme, I’ve finally changed...”

it's flawless

eeeeeee thanks very much :D 

And the fish are ridiculously distracting. You have no idea how long I spent feeding them and the frog while I was playing with the code and trying things :P

[elizabethrobertajones]

I saw your CFS/ME ask in the tag and I've been sick for 2 yrs and all the many many doctors I've been to have to say is "you should exercise" & "your blood work is normal your fine" & " *to my mom* are you sure this isn't so she can get out of school?" I've basically diagnosed myself but point is the doctors don't know your body and more often then not you won't get a diagnosis I wish their were alternative doctors here bc I would have my ass in the waiting room maybe you should check that out

*hugs* that sounds awful for you. :/ I’m still reading all the stuff a friend linked me about it earlier today, poking around the diagnosis stuff for our country to see what next. My doctor is currently hoping that multivitamins will fix everything for me, or at least is determined to make me try it before I write it off.

*slumps lower in my chair and laughs*

[elizabethrobertajones]

About jealous!Dean, I think Dean's jealousy would easily morph into self-loathing? Like, it's not, "Shit, I don't like Hannah and Cas being together" but "SHE saved him? Fuck..I'm a trash for feeling crappy that it was her that saved him. What are you, five? It's not like you've been looking out for him recently. Grow the fuck up and be happy for him."

Dean has always pushed Cas to pursue lines of romantic interest (that he approved of - Meg not so much) but he doesn’t like Hannah but if he thinks this is the one that stuck… He’d try so hard to be supportive.

And she is with Heaven after all, and that is where Cas obviously belongs, thinks Dean. Remembering that “ET goes home” line which, as I have randomly decided, actually came in a full circle to show where Cas’s home really is but you know Dean isn’t going to notice that Cas is more at home with them than he’s ever been because he hasn’t read The Trenchcoat Meta.

But yeah I can imagine Dean feeling weird about Cas and Hannah and being so repressed he doesn’t even know why it upsets him so much except that it really upsets him and then he just feels bad for not being happy that Cas is, apparently, happy and has someone looking after him…