#Euthyphro dilemma

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]

"Is the pious loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?" -- Euthyphro dilemma

The typical way theists attempt to rationalize this problem away is to claim that the divine will and wisdom of a god cannot be reduced down to mere human reasoning and logic. This, of course, means they can't claim that it is good or that what it wants can be known, much less that they do know what it wants.

[omegaphilosophia]

The Philosophy of the Euthyphro Dilemma

The Euthyphro Dilemma, originating from Plato's dialogue "Euthyphro," presents a significant philosophical problem regarding the nature of morality and its relationship to divine command. This dilemma poses a fundamental question about whether moral values are commanded by gods because they are inherently good, or whether they are good because they are commanded by gods. This issue remains relevant in contemporary discussions about the foundations of ethics and the intersection of religion and morality.

The Dilemma Explained

In Plato's dialogue, Socrates encounters Euthyphro, who claims to have a deep understanding of piety and impiety. Socrates asks Euthyphro to define piety, leading to the famous question: "Is the pious loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?"

This question can be reformulated as:

Divine Command Theory: Are moral actions good because they are commanded by the gods?

Moral Realism: Are moral actions commanded by the gods because they are inherently good?

Each horn of the dilemma presents challenges:

If moral actions are good because they are commanded by the gods (Divine Command Theory), then morality appears arbitrary. Anything could be deemed morally right or wrong based solely on divine will, potentially leading to morally questionable commands being seen as good.

If moral actions are commanded by the gods because they are inherently good (Moral Realism), then morality exists independently of the gods. This implies that there is a standard of goodness that even the gods must adhere to, challenging the notion of their omnipotence and moral authority.

Implications of the Euthyphro Dilemma

The Nature of Morality: The dilemma forces a reconsideration of the origins and nature of moral values. If morality is independent of divine command, then ethical principles must be grounded in something other than religious authority, such as reason, human nature, or societal consensus.

Divine Omnipotence and Omnibenevolence: The dilemma raises questions about the attributes of gods, particularly their omnipotence and omnibenevolence. If gods are bound by an external standard of goodness, their power and moral perfection might be seen as limited.

Secular Ethics: The Euthyphro Dilemma supports the development of secular ethical theories that do not rely on divine command. Philosophers such as Immanuel Kant and John Stuart Mill have proposed ethical systems based on reason, human well-being, and utilitarian principles.

Theological Responses: The dilemma has prompted various theological responses. Some theologians argue for a modified Divine Command Theory, suggesting that God's nature is inherently good and that divine commands naturally align with this goodness. Others propose that God's will and moral truths are identical, thus avoiding the arbitrariness problem.

The Euthyphro Dilemma remains a cornerstone in the study of moral philosophy and theology, provoking ongoing debate about the foundations of ethical principles and the role of divine authority in determining what is right and wrong. By challenging both Divine Command Theory and the independence of morality from divine will, the dilemma encourages deeper exploration of the sources and nature of moral values.

[idylls-of-the-divine-romance]

Me: I hate Greco-Roman influence on Christian theology and philosophy.

Also Me: Anyway so Plato's Euthyphro dilemma is actually not a problem for Christians because of John the Platonist Theologian and Plato's Theory of Forms, in this essay marrying Abrahamic and Platonic philosophy I will-

[pauladroege]

Does God determine right and wrong?

Many people say that without religion there would be no morality. Dostoyevsky put it succinctly: If God is dead, everything is permitted. That claim is patently false. Religious belief and practice obviously do not make people moral (pedophile priests), and many moral people lack religious belief. (This is harder to prove, but you probably know some moral people who are not religious. I certainly…

[lboomsky]

Euthyphro Dilemma:

Morality is an aspect of god and the reason that's ok is because god is all knowing and thus from him is the totality of understanding to the point that no being could be more informed, making him an objective framework. You can't really disagree with god and be on equal level because god knows all you know and he knows where the fault in your logic lies.

This is my issue with subjective morality as well, because from the nature of understanding we know that there can always be information we lack which is why we don't know everything and can be wrong. Until one reaches the totality of knowledge in the universe and snuffs out all misconceptions, which would make objective morality a real thing.

Because god is the being from which nothing can be greater, his opinion is quite literally correct. This is why doing the wrong thing is an act against god. Also, God is omniscient and all knowing - so God does not have a subjective experience, he has an OBJECTIVE experience 🤯

[sufficientlylargen]

Mickey mouse chemicals meme has grown stale. Bring me my bath salts and a fresh meme based on the Euthyphro dilemma

[ardbar]

Omfg I was in a philosophy class today learning about the euthyphro dilemma which is, "Is the pious loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?"

And I couldn’t stop fucking thinking about those stupid gay men in my phone , "Are you the strongest because you're Satoru Gojo? Or are you Satoru Gojo because you're the strongest?"

Amongst heaven and earth he alone is the one fucking with me during class 😭

Plato would have had a field day with Gojo I’m sure of it

[sunglassesbot]

For one of my philosophy classes I have to write a paper about the meaning of life. If I choose to write that God makes it meaningful, I am tasked with coming up with an answer for the Euthyphro dilemma. 

I hope that the professor does not sincerely believe that the Euthyphro dilemma is an impediment to theism, but, judging from the quality of professors I've had at similar institutions, that just might be the case.

Anyway, I'll probably find some roundabout way to answer it in order to fill my word count.

[insanity-laughs-under-pressure]

RIP Plato, Crowley and Aziraphale would have loved to argue about Euthyphro's dilemma with you.

[theblogof-rassilon]

That cannot be because everything I do is good because I *created* the good. Now piss off.

I'M BANTHONY.

🖕

[religion-is-a-mental-illness]

“I saw the world through the eyes of God and it was good.

Then I saw it through the eyes of a man and I wondered why God thought He was good.”

The bible’s god character doesn’t know he’s the villain.

[roselilyg]

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[phantomtutor]

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[rlyehtaxidermist]

performance theory of gender

Socrates: And what do you say of gender, Euthyphro: is not gender, according to your definition, to perform a role as accepted in society?

Euthyphro: Yes.

Socrates: Because it is gendered, or for some other reason?

Euthyphro: No, that is the reason.

Socrates: Does it fit the role because it is gendered, not gendered because it fits the role?

Euthyphro: Yes.

Socrates: And that which fits the role is gendered, and is in a state to be gendered, because it is gendered?

Euthyphro: Certainly.

Socrates: Then that which fits the role, Euthyphro, is not gendered, nor does that which is gendered fit the role, as you affirm; but they are two different things.

Euthyphro: How do you mean, Socrates?

Socrates: I mean to say that the gendered has been acknowledged by us to fit the role in society because it is gendered, not to be gendered as it fits a role in society.

Euthyphro: Yes.

Socrates: But that which fits that role in society is gendered because it fits that role, it does not fit that role because it is gendered.

Euthyphro: True.

Socrates: But, friend Euthyphro, if that which is gendered is the same with that which fits in society, and fits because it is gendered, than that which fits in society would have fit as fitting its role; but if that which fits its role fits because it is gendered, then that which is gendered would have been gendered because society accepted it. But now you see that the reverse is the case, and that they are quite different from one another.

Socrates: For one (social role) is of a kind to be accepted because it is accepted, and the other (gender) is accepted because it is of a kind to be accepted.

Socrates: Thus you appear to me, Euthyphro, when I ask you what is the essence of gender, to offer an attribute only, and not the essence-the attribute of fitting a social role. But you still refuse to explain to me the nature of gender.

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The Author Of This Post, Pretentiously Self-Cast As Plato: This is about the fallacy of judging trans and nb people on how they present rather than their stated identity and NOT an endorsement of gender essentialism. TERFs do not interact.