#David kammerer

[anyataylorjoys]

KILL YOUR DARLINGS (2013) dir. John Krokidas

[allen-inwonderland]

Kill Your Darlings is undeniably a dark academia movie, but it’s academic the way Taco Bell is Mexican food.

I’m talking plagiarism, skipping class, vandalizing classics, rejecting popular literature, and spending more time talking about writing something than actually writing it. It’s beautiful.

[flowersforfrancis]

[apexdetmer]

for The Love Club....

[michaelchallpics]

Woah....it´s been 10 years since this movie was released. "Kill Your Darlings" with Michael C. Hall as David Kammerer.

A movie about the beat poets Allen Ginsberg, Lucian Carr, William Burroughs and Jack Kerouac before they were famous.

[songsna]

Kill Your Darlings

Maybe I just have a different point of view compared to others, but I have seen a lot of comments about how horrible it is how the movie depicted David Kammerer as sympathetic and pitiful.

I seem to be one of the very few people who watched the movie and didn’t think him to be sympathetic and don’t quite understand why people came to the conclusion.

Let me explain my feelings towards the movie and characters (which are more or less based on true events) :

We know that David Kammerer stalked Lucien, in real life and in the movie. There’s really not a nice way to put it. Why doesn’t Lucien fight back and instead sometimes went with him? Because some people go back to their abusers, it’s not that hard to understand.

That doesn’t make it right. He fed David in his obsession and used him. We need to stop thinking about how we live NOW and think about how it was during that time. Think about how David treated Lucien during the movie. He always says how much he loves him and how he would do anything for him, breaks into his ROOM. If that isn’t manipulative as well, I don’t know what is. The stalking makes it even more horrible.We have an awareness nowadays about these kind of people.

The first thing we learn in today’s time is to NOT reply to stalkers or just persistent people, to just ignore them. ANY attention feeds their obsession. When a guy I rejected started to constantly write to me, he threatened to kill himself or to “come over to where I live”, I asked for an opinion of people. What did they tell me to do? Some told me to “reply to him and reject him again” while some said “Ignore!” 

To reply to such behaviour is the wrong thing to do. Lucien made a mistake but he didn’t know any better, in my opinion. As most people during that time, and even now.

David Kammerer tried to play with Lucien’s feeling and empathy and tried to chain him to himself. As most groomers do. That DOES make him pathetic and pitiful. But David made himself look like a victim when he is NOT. He’s pitiful but not a victim.

And the movie seems to play on the viewer’s feelings as well. Because even some of the viewers seemed to think the movie’s message is that David’s a poor guy.

Let me start on Allen Ginsberg now: He’s the narrator, especially at the end. People tend to “sympathize” to narrators and think that what they say is the correct opinion. Not sure how it was in real life, but Ginsberg seemed to have an obsession towards Lucien as well. The letter, the story he told was creepy and obsessive and wrong in my opinion. He may be the narrator but being the narrator of a story doesn’t make the character flawless. And many viewers need to be reminded of that. I read many books where the narrator is morally questionable. Which is why I don’t think of Ginsberg as a poor, lovesick guy who got manipulated by Lucien and couldn’t hurt a fly.

The murder is a whole other story. We don’t know if Lucien really murdered David for trying to rape him. Maybe he was just fed up and took the chance to kill him and knew he wouldn’t go to jail for defending his honor (as it was called during that time)

Maybe David DID try to rape him. We don’t know for sure. No one knows the truth.

My opinion stands that no one is completely innocent, but David Kammerer especially isn’t.

Thus said: I freaking LOVE the actors in this movie. Each and everyone of them was awesome.

[bkenber]

John Krokidas and Austin Bunn Discuss 'Kill Your Darlings'

WRITER’S NOTE: This interview took place back in 2013. John Krokidas makes his feature film directorial debut with “Kill Your Darlings” which stars Daniel Radcliffe, Dane DeHaan and Michael C. Hall. The movie is about a murder that occurred in 1944 which brought three poets of the beat generation (Allen Ginsberg, Jack Kerouac and William Burroughs) together for the first time. Radcliffe portrays…

[bendurbaby]

forever hating the way lucien carr's and david kammerer's relationship is portrayed by media....

[smuttydeadwriters]

Friend he didn’t get into bed with in 1944 = Lucien Carr, I assume. Or maybe a Columbia dorm mate? I don’t think Allen got a lot of invitations in those days…

OH WAIT. David Kammerer!!!! David would sometimes flirt with Allen (awkwardly) but Allen was too innocent/shy/new to the concept of out gay men to take David up on it. (Source: Various biographies.)

Lowest depth of misery = codependency with a madman = going through a bad patch with Peter Orlovsky ☹️

The Proust Questionnaire

What is your idea of perfect happiness?

AG: Excellent health. no flu, no leprosy.

What is your most marked characteristic?

AG: Incriminating eloquence.

What is your greatest extravagance? AG: Poetry office with fax, Xerox and poetry archive

What is your favorite occupation?

AG: Writing poems in a bedside notebook.

What is the trait you most deplore in others?

AG: Insanity, drug-induced or natural.

What is your greatest regret?

AG: I didn’t accept a friend’s invitation to get in bed naked in 1944

What is the trait you most deplore in yourself?

AG: Continuous cowardice

If you could change one thing about yourself, what would it be?

AG: Renew my body, set at 17.

Which living person  do you most despise?

AG: New York City’s Cardinal O'Connor, for his gay hypocrisy, considering that his powerful predecessor Cardinal Spellman was notoriously gay.

On what occasion do you lie?

AG: To protect friends from my public life in poetry. Candor for oneself doesn’t require snitching on others

What do you consider the most overrated virtue?

AG: Virginity and/or cynicism and/or machismo

What do you regard as the lowest depths of misery?

AG: Co-dependency with madman or - woman

What is the quality you most like in a man?

AG: Intelligent beauty.

What is the quality you most like in a woman?

AG: Sympathetic self-reliability.

Who is your favorite hero of fiction?

AG: Prince Myshkin in Dostoyevsky’s The Idiot

Who are your heroes in real life?

AG: William Seward Burroughs, Tibetan lama Nawang Gelek Rinpoche, sensei Philip Whalen, Bob Dylan

What is your favorite journey?

AG: To Benares, the “oldest continually inhabited city in the world”.

Where would you like to live?

AG: Sometimes Paris, sometimes London, sometimes Benares, sometimes San Francisco, sometimes New York.

How would you like to die? AG: In Buddhist community peacefully, aged 100, in presence of a helpful lama

What is your motto?

AG: “First thought, best thought”

If you were to die and come back as a person or a thing, what do you think it would be?

AG: The Eiffel Tower

What is it that you most dislike?

AG: Theopolitical nationalist “family values” TV hypocrites and their corresponding heads of state

Which words or phrases do you most overuse? AG: “Situation”, “sitting practice of meditation” and “Beat Genereation”

[demifiendrsa]

First behind the scene look and still of Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein.

Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein will stream on Netflix in November 2025

[geekcavepodcast]

Guillermo del Toro's "Frankenstein" Adds to Cast

Jacob Elordi, Christoph Waltz, Felix Kammerer, Lars Mikkelsen, David Bradley, and Christian Convery have joined Oscar Isaac and Mia Goth in Guillermo del Toro's adaptation of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein.

Frankenstein tells of a scientist whose experiments bring a creature to life.

(Image of Boris Karloff as Frankenstein's monster in 1935's Bride of Frankenstein)

[svankmajerbaby]

ok, so a casting change and a bunch of new additions!

[allen-inwonderland]

[supercalifragipopculturevomit]

I hope you don’t mind me asking (I really love Daniel Brühl by the way), but are you familiar with any other German actors in German film at the moment?

Hi there!

All questions are welcome here — especially from a fellow Brühlie 😊

Only a handful, I have to say, and mostly ones that have crossed over to Hollywood or have been in massive foreign films: Michael Fassbender, Sandra Hüller, Christoph Waltz, Diane Kruger, David Kross, August Diehl, Sebastian Koch, Nina Hoss, Felix Kammerer, and Alexandra Maria Lara.

Why do you ask?

[boredmezzosoprano]

The more I read about Lucien Carr and what he went through the angrier I get! What we do know about him and his relationship with David Kammerer was that they met when Lucien was 14 and David was his P.E teacher! We also know that David later followed Lucien across country from Andover to the University of Chicago to Bowdoin College in Maine, before moving to New York City when Carr entered Columbia University. DAVID STALKED LUCIEN!! That’s not an opinion, that’s a fact! But because Lucien was "refined" and "frail looking" he must’ve been secretly gay and encouraged David's harassment of him?! Umm what??? Whatever Lucien's sexuality was is completely irrelevant. David had an unhealthy obsession with Lucien and nobody cared until it was too late! It’s not fair that history made Lucien the villain of the story and David was the misunderstood one 🤦🏼‍♀️💔