#Cecil Kramer

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Giù per il tubo

Benvenuti o bentornati sul nostro blog. Nello scorso articolo abbiamo ripreso a parlare sia di cinema sia di animazione e abbiamo preso in esame la DreamWorks con il loro 13° lungometraggio animato, La gang del bosco. RJ è un procione che cercando di rubare il cibo a un orso finisce per distruggerlo. L’orso gli da un’ultima possibilità: in una settimana dovrà recuperare tutto quel cibo o lo…

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* I’m excluding Trevor since I’m pretty sure he had no way of saving himself. I’m blaming Saw IV’s poor writing here since it was never clear if Trevor could’ve survived or if Art Blank was the only one intended to survive.

* Hoffman is excluded because (Hello Zepp intensifies)

* Even though Detective Matthews was more a guinea pig for Rigg’s test, he was still given a chance to save himself by shooting anyone who tried to go through the door before the timer ran out. So, he counts.

* Jeff is excluded since his test was already over. He was only really here to get shot by Strahm.

* Brenda counts since, after Rigg saved her, she attacked him as part of her own game.

* Rex is excluded since he was a guinea pig for Morgan’s trap.

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Cecil's "WHOA! WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?" will always be top tier comedy lmfao 🤣

And John's casual response "It's a tool" is fucking brilliant 😭🤣🤣.

As if they're discussing how to make tea lol

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I keep drawing these guys as weird little buggers

These are pretty old doodles tho and I have more im just too tired ATM to post them

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john needs to stay the fuck away from cecils. first cecil adams now cecilia pederson. what do they have against him

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jill tuck

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[thebutcher-5]

Wallace & Gromit - La maledizione del coniglio mannaro

Benvenuti o bentornati sul nostro blog. Nello scorso articolo siamo tornati a parlare di film in live-action e abbiamo preso in considerazione un’opera thriller di spionaggio molto particolare che a mio avviso è stata criticata troppo ossia The Rhythm Section. Sthepanie è una donna che sta distruggendo la propria vita. Alcuni anni fa la sua famiglia è morta in un incidente aereo e non si è mai…

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the main "criticism" (term used loosely) of saw x by and large seems to be not the cruelty of the traps themselves, but the utterly inadequate time given to complete them. cruelty does sort of come with the territory & debating the "right" dose for a saw movie is an exercise in futility, yet the almost laughably and woefully meager three minutes on the clock seem to be something of a hang-up to most people. "how were they meant to beat these traps?" "shouldn't john have given them a chance?" "valentina came so close, she did everything, it's not fair" which, while seemingly reasonable questions, all find their answer in one small fact: john kramer has an insatiable hunger for revenge. this is a character flaw that he himself cannot abide by, that he finds… distasteful. the jigsaw dogma is a metaphorical wool that he pulls over his own eyes, it's a distraction from the truth, it's his copium. the man invented a pseudo-religion to justify his crimes, which is… well, haven't men been inventing religions for this express purpose since the dawn of time? it's only in line with the trend.

point being, his gracious gift of a whole three minutes to saw one's leg off and extract bone marrow, to saw one's skull open and pick out brain matter, to break one's bones while being cooked alive by a radiation machine—it's… for his benefit more than anyone else's. deep down, he's never expected them to beat their tests. he never expects anyone to do so (but if they do, it's whatever at that point—because at the very least they've suffered.) though that's a tough pill to swallow, and he chooses not to. time and time again, he chooses not to. when he sat on that bench in that park, enjoying a lovely day out while fantasizing about a petty thief getting his fingers broken one by one & getting his eyes sucked out, he revealed everything. he revealed how much of a farce rehabilitation is, he revealed how much he'd rather see a person killed horribly than anything else. he revealed that he too likes how brutality feels.

he'd have us think the victims are picked somewhat at random, that he's simply being a good samaritan giving any old lowlife nobody a "new chance at life." he's not! cecil caused the death of gideon. amanda was one of the reasons cecil did what he did (and btw do not for a second think that hoffman was going to tell john something he didn't already know. amanda died for nothing in iii, because why else would have john targeted her in the first place?), easton and his buddies fucked john over insurance-wise, bobby offended john's sensibilities, kerry was too deep in the case, lawrence was a bit of a dick to him at the hospital... so on and forth. every last one of them a target of john's revenge fantasies, even if they did arrive wrapped up in layers of delusion and grandeur.

he still loved amanda though. and make no mistake abt that

[motheroftheantichrist]

Theories that I don't actually believe, but have fun thinking about: Saw edition

Adam was the original Jigsaw apprentice.

While I know this isn't true, and don't actually believe Adam would even be a good apprentice, it's just funny to me how well it could actually fit into the bat shit crazy narrative of this franchise.

Consider...

John Kramer has just begun his work as Jigsaw. He's killed Cecil, and maybe a few others. Jill Tuck, concerned by his increasingly erratic behavior, hires a private investigator to tail her ex-husband and report back. Enter: Adam.

He trails John to his warehouse and either springs one of the traps and escapes, earning John's regard, or is caught by John and deemed useful for his particular skill set. Seth Baxter has just been killed and John needs someone to tail Hoffman, so Adam is recruited.

He finds most of the people in Logan's game, other than Logan, Anna, and Mitch, who John new personally. The others seem more like people that Adam would have found, or found out about given his line of work. He probably saw Carly steal the purse and inhaler and was able to track her down. I always thought that it was a stretch that John had happened to know about that, and managed to find her as well.

Adam is planted in the bathroom game because it requires two people, and to test Amanda. If you look carefully at John's reasons for testing Adam in Saw 1, they are pretty flimsy compared to Gordon's. He dislikes that Adam stalks people, even though that's what John does to grab victims as well as get a feel for Hoffman as a person, and claims he is passive in his own life, which may be true, but is a considerably weaker excuse than he usually uses when choosing test subjects. Not to mention the fact that Adam is never given any actual instructions. He was simply there to act as Amanda and Hoffman did in Saws II and IV.

The bullet that Lawrence had was a blank. It was enough to injure Adam, and would have been believable if Lawrence had decided to actually try to kill him, but he would have survived.

John can tell that Amanda is teetering on the edge over Adam's fate and has a feeling she is going to go back, so he puts Adam back in the bathroom, which is why he is still seemingly trapped there when she returns to "kill" him. This is then followed by the usual theories about the plastic not being held on for long enough, and the corpse being someone else's.

Adam was the one who switched the chain on the decoy corpses foot when he found out that John was going to leave a tape to lead Lawrence to the bathroom (maybe he's the one who convinced him to do it) with the hopes that Lawrence would realize he was still alive.

Thank you for coming to my insane and completely pointless TED Talk.

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John Kramer and The Denlon's

Cracks everything in my body. It's time to yap. I keep going on in many posts about the fact John is just as flawed as those he tries to ''better'', so I want to go over one of my main comparisons in a tad more depth than I have before. John Kramer and Jeff Denlon honestly are very similar when it comes to their backstory and need for revenge due to grief. Even though John always states that he tests people so they become grateful for being alive- It's very obvious in some cases, he's doing it for his own type of gratification too. For example, Cecil Adams who caused Jill Tuck to miscarry and then Cecilia Pederson who scammed John. He didn't put these people in traps just because of his philosophy, but because they were also very ''close to home'' for him.

The loss of a child is very integral to both John and Jeff's character. Both of these men crave justice.... However, the way they want it and how they achieve it isn't exactly the most healthy thing. It leads both of them to neglect their partners, Jill and Lynn. (Just took a break to eat leftover spaghetti I am legit lost in the sauce- I don't plan out these little rants I do, so I just go where rambling takes me.) When it comes to the major differences between them, Jeff is more rage fuelled, at least in how he carries himself. His anger manifests more verbally and physically than John- Which is his downfall, alongside him not listening or acting when needed. This is a bit of a reach, but another thought nonetheless and nothing I say needs to be something I'm 100% on anyway. Danica Scott, the only other witness to Dylan's death didn't cause Jeff's son's demise, however her lack of action and fleeing the scene made her someone Jeff would want to take revenge upon anyway.

Amanda, although she had more involvement with Gideon's death, seeing as she was the one to convince Cecil to rob the clinic, didn't take physical action either. However, outside of her just being a drug addict- It is debated whether or not John always knew about her role in Jill Tuck's miscarriage, another reason for her to be tested.

We've also got basic comparisons such as the fact Jill and Lynn are both in the medical field and having mentioned Lynn again? Her demeanour is more like John than anybody else I have brought up in this post I'd say- I can't really word well why I think that, but it's there anyway. (Another thing to add is how in Saw 3, John in his delirious state starts getting confused and thinking Lynn is Jill.)

Might as well slip some others thoughts in here too whilst I'm fucking rambling this much- I don't have too many complex thoughts on Jeff Denlon I guess, I basically seem him as an example within the Saw universe about a person who cannot let go enough that it results in his trauma and vengeance taking over his life and ending it too. He's not a evil or terrible man, just very flawed. He had some of the physically easiest traps in the franchise to complete, but because he never made an effort to heal and instead remained stagnant within his grief... He takes too long to take action and morally flip flops all over the place when it comes to what decision he'll make- It's that or he doesn't assess the long term consequences of things such as never forgiving. I personally don't think he ever has to forgive someone like Timothy Young- However, I do believe he let's it impact his life and those around him too much. Corbett didn't deserve the neglect she faced and she herself is a child grieving her sibling. Grief and forgiveness are very hard topics to navigate, but I honestly as a viewer felt the most bad for Corbett more so than Jeff or even Lynn. Coming back to Lynn, I believe she ''learnt'' the most or at least came to terms with things faster within her trap than Jeff. She didn't have time to dwell or not be fast paced with her choices, because her life was connected to John's. She was doing her best not only to stay alive, but to get back to her family even if it was dysfunctional. (Me when I come back to this in my drafts weeks later, time to attempt to find the wave length I was on whilst doing this before.) It's an interesting though to picture different people in other traps. For example, if Lynn was going through Jeff's test. Would she have reacted faster than him and made clear cut decisions? Could she forgive? Jeff is no medical professional and his rage wouldn't let him care for John to the best of his ability so we know he'd fumble that, which is why I'm more so focused on Lynn in his test. Lynn's grief is more ''subtle'' compared to Jeff's and as an audience it's hard to pinpoint what her thoughts and opinions of those involved with her sons death would've been. She turned to antidepressants and her fractured marriage led her to having an affair, not to mention the child neglect. But when it comes down to it, we don't see as much as a drive for revenge and justice within Lynn as we do Jeff. This would mainly come down to screen time, setting and general context but it's an interesting thought of how she'd handle someone like Danica or Timothy if they were right in front of her.

This is why I say she learnt the most from her test compared to Jeff in his? After everything she went through with Amanda constantly up her ass and power drilling through a guys skull- All Lynn wanted was to reunite with her family. Like, the only time we see Lynn exert full physical violence is in a deleted scene where she attacks Amanda.... And even then that is because she wants the key for her collar more so than a drive to murder the other woman. On all accounts, she actually won that scuffle as well.

But then for example Jeff when he finally encounters John? He just can't help himself! Lynn literally is on the floor bleeding out, reaching for him not to leave and this man just can't NOT go and fulfil his need for vengeance. He'd literally just acted upon it before too by shooting Amanda, though that is more understandable giving the context of the fact she shot Lynn..... I think overall this is why so many people dislike Jeff but they just can't word it? Like he's been dubbed ''slow ass motherfucking Jeff''- But it's not really the speed of execution, it's either the lack of long term critical thinking and or the fact he's indecisive? Jeff doesn't have the weight of a contraption around his neck and or his life truly on the line like his wife.... However, somehow Lynn is still managing her test better than him with a freaky little lesbian on her ass and doing backhouse brain surgery on some random old dude with a fucking power drill. I'll also bring up the fact that like John and Jeff, Mark Hoffman has a pretty similar drive and motive to the both of these men. Just like how Jeff saw his sons death, Mark saw the aftermath of his sisters murder for example. All three of them feel justified in their actions against those who have wronged them and etc....

And as I always bring up in character studies like these, the perceptions from the audience are so interesting- Especially when you start comparing characters. It will come as no surprise when I say, I am a pretty active Tumblr user... Through this? The interactions with media and popularity of characters from Saw on this platform are decently clear. First I'll get it out the way that screen time plays a big role in making characters fan favourites. Although, Adam is a subversion to this as he's only in one movie (alive) and likely the most popular Saw character- Anyway! Using John, Jeff and Mark as examples here still... As previously stated, these three men can be considered quite alike in some aspects! But our perceptions of them are quite different due to how they're presented and what we know about them. John is an older sickly man, his life being cut short by the fact he has terminal cancer. His wife miscarries and later on then becomes ex-wife and then also somewhere down the line he gets scammed by a fake cancer treatment....All in all? Dude's kinda got fucked over. But what I haven't mentioned yet in this brief is the fact that whilst most of this is going on, peepaw is designing elaborate death traps and testing people in them slash indoctrinating some into his fuckass ideology! He as a character get's quite a neutral response and or a 50/50 split? He's Jigsaw, the face of the franchise.... There is a decent amount to discuss in regards to him. However, when it all comes down to it it I wouldn’t say he’s favoured as much as other characters.

Moving to Jeff, he witnessed his own son get killed in a hit and run and the grief and injustice of that basically made him spiral into neglecting himself but also his family. He cannot move forward from the loss of Dylan and this is why during his test he is so slow to act- I think one thing to mention here too, is this is something John likely accounted for. Jeff’s test is designed for him and the challenge isn’t that of " OH CUT YOU ARM” it’s for him to overcome his grief and to choose whether to forgive or let those involved with Dylan’s passing die. It’s easy for us as viewers behind the screen to think that he could’ve done almost everything faster. But we’re not Jeff. It’s shown time and time again mentally he just cannot move on and the only reason he is making progress though the test is due to its nature, average therapy? Jeff just wouldn’t go because he refuses to confront HIMSELF in regards to his own grief and would rather wallow in fantasies of revenge.

Mark Hoffman? Obviously the case I’ll bring up with him is that of his sister's murder. Angelina is his only close relative, with no other mention of Mark’s family in the franchise really. So, when she is killed in a case of domestic violence and he also sees her dead body? Yeah, that’s certainly the kind of thing to fuck someone up mentally. Which is why Mark then developed a drinking problem to cope and started to display more erratic behaviour such as shooting a man three times who’d actually surrendered beforehand…. By the time Seth Baxter his sister's killer is released from prison via a technicality- Mark has no quarrels with taking his revenge via abducting him and placing him in a Jigsaw like trap. However, as we all know, this trap is by no means escapable and is only being used by Mark as a scapegoat to get away with murdering Seth. This act then kickstarts his life as an apprentice for John when he himself is abducted.

(I legit forgot this was in my drafts- Months later. I’ll post this now even if it’s not really complete…)

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Here’s a little backstory with Angela’s Jigsaw trap!

This’ll include:

• Why she’s put into this trap

•The symbolism of the trap

•What happens afterward in the trap

TRIGGER WARNING: for anybody that doesn’t like cuts and fake blood my sketch will include both

(This is the aftermath of her trap)⬇️

So Angela has always been a very kind hearted person, which is very rare when it comes to society, but sometimes it’s taken advantage of. Hoffman grew up with Angie so he always saw what ways people took advantage of her. So he puts her in this trap to finally make her realize how much her life is worth. He uses the phrase “fight for your life” as a reminder that if she continues to let people exploit her, she could end up hurt or worse, dead.

(The only reason John Kramer knew Angela is because Angie owns her own therapy company, in which she also has ties to the medical field along with William Easton’s insurance company. John remembers a meeting that Angela held with William while he was there asking for coverage for his surgery)

So Angela’s trap is taken between saw II and saw III. Her trap is called “The Halo”

It’s a timed device that straps, with a padlock and key, around the circumference of her head and will protrude six giant hypodermic needles through her brain. The halo represents her nickname “Angel/Angelcakes” given to her because of her altruism.

The point of her trap is for her to be able to pick between a bunch of glass boxes that hold the key to her head device. These boxes also include past influences, those people personal family or just close role models. She has to go through each box and break them open with just her bare hands. She will either find the key or be surprised by sticking her hand in more broken glass. the more boxes she breaks the more skin she breaks open

This trap was originally going to be done by Hoffman but Amanda found the case file and decided to do it herself. Amanda having a history of rigging traps, she decides to weld the halo shut so she is not able to take it off. Though Angie’s will power to live, she takes it off by sliding it off her head, but by doing so she adds six more deep cuts to her forehead and skull.

Hoffman “arrives on the scene” of her trap to act like he figured out the next location of the next jigsaw trap. But Hoffman arrives to see Angie COVERED in blood and cuts and severely panicking/shaking. Hoffman notices that the halo trap is still closed even after the padlock is off the device. He realizes that Amanda tried to eliminate Angie without probable cause. So Hoffman decides to write the letter to Amanda stating that if she doesn’t kill Lynn in the next game, he would tell John about her involvement with Cecil and the loss of John’s baby (THIS LORE WILL BE SO MUCH MORE CLEAN SOON I PROMISE)

After the trap her trust in any criminal investigators is practically at an all time low. Though she loves Mark with all her heart she can quite wrap her head around the fact about how soon he got there. She believes it’s so suspicious. Though Hoffman tries to convince her that “he figured it out” she still is concerned as to how he even found a random warehouse address in the first place

THATS ALL THE LORE I HAVE FOR NOW SO PLEASE ENJOY THIS WHILE I WRITE MORE

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*cough* none of the kigsaw killings would have happened if it weren't for Eric matthews being an absolute ass. Eric framed Amanda young for possession, that (ironically) caused her to become an addict. She eventually went to the "Homeward Bound Clinic" where she encouraged Cecil addams to rob the clinic while Jhon Kramer's pregnant wife, Jill Tuck, was still there. During said robbery, Cecil slammed a door Into Jill's stomach, this caused her to miscarry. The loss of his child caused Jhon to break down, thus ending his relationship with Jill. Not long after that, he received news that he was terminally ill, this news plus the loss of his child drove jhon to attempt suicide. He was unsuccessful but during this experience, he decided to begin the jigsaw killings. But none of this would have happened if Eric hadn't framed Amanda *cough cough*