#CRIMEBOYS NEG

[aro-throughyourchest]

brother pause c!wilbur just looked at tommy newly dead and went lmao want to play cards and then never gave a fuck about him afterward until tommy had something better going on and then he was like 'no wait but don't you love me tommy we're like brothers basically'

c!wilbur was just a string of idgaf a fuck about you let's do something I find fun and c!tommy is like. why are you like this. I'm just trying to be loved and protected why are you like this and why do you treat me like this.

i'm so mad.

[grace13star]

I love twitter 💕💕

twitter is so great 💕💕

i hate when people force a codependent relationship on two characters that don’t even have a codependent relationship. wilbur and tommy are two completely seperate people and they are perfectly capable of being themselves without the other. i mean the whole burger van arc? wilbur was avoiding tommy for most of it, he wasn’t any less wilbur. heck wilbur was dead for six months and tommy wasn’t any less tommy because of it. he was less tommy that we know because of exile and all that, but not because wilbur wasn’t there. also the “older brother forced to be a parent” is fanon it has never been the dynamic in canon. please stop with dadbur and son tommy please. i am begging. wilbur has a son and it certainly isn’t tommy. their dynamic doesn’t work like that tbh.

[king-of-possums]

THEY ARE BOTHERS YOUR HONOR!!!

[nekole-doodles]

Part #5 of DSMP-coded song series! I haven't done one in a while so I'll do a lightning round of a few random characters or duos!

Philza and Kristin. Come on, it's so sweet, it's literally them

C! TNT Duo(/r)

"One of us just has to change, you say the same"

"Twist my umbrella 'til it's inside-out, Hand you a bouquet of rain"

"Did I shout or think I could save you this way?"

"Then you looked in my eyes and said, 'How dare you love me? When you should despise me? You should be scared of me,' It seems that that's what it means when somebody needs you"

"When the smoke clears are we friends or strangers again? Just a familiar face"

"So how could we separately heal? God, I don't get it. I really don't get it, Could someone tell me how to feel?"

"So watch your step or you'll trip and fall right out of love"

"'Til death do us part, please keep breaking my heart, 'Til it ceases to beat, please be mine"

"So if love conquers all, then all else must have failed, I mean, who wants to fall? Can't we just take the stairs?"

C! Clingy Duo, especially New L'manberg time right before and after Tommy gets exiled

C! Crimeboys or C! TNT Duo(but headcanon-ized), in a what-if scenario if Tommy or Quackity found Wilbur in the button room on the 16th instead of Phil. (C! Wilbur is so JD-coded, this is very old news in this fandom)

C! TNT Duo(/r) /hj but not really. Idk, it just kinda fits how I imagine their dynamic

C! Disc Duo in Exile arc. So fun :D Nothing ever happened ever in exile arc

"Nobody ever loved me, Like she tells me she does" Dream claiming he's Tommy's only friend and no one else cares for him like Dream cares about him.

"Tender as a bruise, sharper than a razor, Wrap her tentacles around me like she'll never let me go, Her fury shakes the rafters, but never in my favor" Whenever Dream gives angry(sometimes physically) at Tommy for whatever reason

"I should be counting blessings, Something is better than nothing, Isn't it, isn't it, isn't it? It's close enough to perfect, What does it hurt, a little bit?" Tommy trying to convince himself that exile is fine and that Dream really is his friend and he should be grateful for him despite how much Dream is hurting him.

[zorishy]

I think he didn't do it, because, it wasn't his place to do it, and ctommy would have been more upset at him, if he killed his abuser and tried to play hero for it, which was not something ctommy wanted. If anything ctommy is the type to want others to face justice through time, or take them down but with his brother, in hand, rather than have cwil, do it alone.

I’ve never thought about it like that before. Though it’s a nice idea to think that Wilbur was thinking about what Tommy would prefer he do, I don’t think that’s the case.

If Wilbur really thought about what would be in Tommy’s interest as you said, he would have taken Tommy to the prison to let him get revenge on Dream himself. Instead, what he did was: take Tommy to the prison (despite him being uncomfortable with it), threaten to kill himself in front of Tommy, and make Tommy believe that his discs had been destroyed. All this did was take away Tommy’s agency and traumatize him further. Then, Wil had the nerve to say that he freed Tommy from Dream even though he clearly didn’t.

Discduo’s conflict was never really about the discs; it was about Dream controlling and abusing Tommy by any means necessary. Wilbur didn’t help Tommy. He did something shitty and manipulative to keep Tommy by his side until he left for Utah. I think, in Wilbur’s mind, that if Dream was no longer an issue for Tommy, he wouldn’t need to be protected anymore and would leave Wil behind.

Had Wilbur gone ahead and killed Dream, that would have been a selfless decision that would benefit Tommy at the risk of his own happiness. The fact that Wilbur thought about doing that does show that he has grown, but the choice to ultimately do something selfish prevents me from seeing that stream as Wilbur’s redemption.

Thank you for voicing your thoughts though. Even if I don’t agree, I appreciate the different perspective.

[tobi-smp]

listen, the crimeboy’s ending is up there as one of my least favorite turns in all the dream smp, but this song is Such a spot on perfect match it makes me Want to like it so I can enjoy the comparison more. I can Picture the animatic that’d go to this and it’d slap verily

note: possible seizure warning for flashing lights/fast cuts in red lighting

[swordfright]

Since we're talking c!Quackity...one of the interactions that fascinates me is the conversation between him, c!Wilbur, and c!Tommy when crimeboys visit Las Nevadas, because it contains this snippet of conversation:

This snippet comes in the middle of a larger conversation wherein Wilbur, more or less freshly revived, is grilling both Tommy and Q for details about how to get into the prison to see Dream. After this, the conversation moves on to navigating the visitation system. This snippet is framed within the context of Wilbur wanting to visit Dream, Tommy trying to convince him not to, and Quackity...? Well, okay, what is Quackity trying to do here? What's his goal in this conversation? He readily supplies Wilbur with info about the visitation and security systems (while Tommy actively withholds and obfuscates this info), so does that mean Q is trying to normalize his own visits by encouraging other people to visit? That's possible, but what interests me more is the question of, like, what the hell is going on here in a broader sense.

The simplest view of this conversation is that it's an argument between two people who are diametrically opposed, and Quackity is the third party here, a guy who doesn't seem particularly invested in either outcome. Which begs the question, why does he bring his own visits up at all? Q is the one who cuts in and mentions that he's been visiting Dream, which at this point isn't a secret on the server but it's also not something Q seems interested in discussing at length. The torture visits are something to be flaunted, not talked about. My assumption, given what we know about Q as a character, is that he's leveraging his experience with navigating Pandora in order to impress Wilbur. Information is something that can be negotiated, brokered, sold - so he's letting Wilbur know he has something Wilbur wants.

This is classic Q behavior right up until the end, where he gets oddly touchy about the torture being brought up. This moment has always struck me as weird, especially considering the handful of other times Quackity doesn't care whether people know (the conversation he has with George comes to mind, as well as the path he asks Foolish to build.) So there are three possibilities here:

that Q is bothered by Tommy saying the quiet part out loud;

that Q has only just found out about Wilbur's gratitude to Dream in the last 5 minutes (literally) and doesn't want to give Wilbur a reason to oppose him right now;

there's something about Tommy specifically knowing about and acknowledging the torture that rubs Q the wrong way.

Personally, I don't see option #2 as viable, given that Wilbur and Quackity are already beefing over how close to Las Nevadas Wilbur can build stuff. That's part of the reason Wilbur is here in the first place: to execute some chernobyl-grade negging. It's not world-ending beef, but given the propensity for mid-tier beef to turn into world-ending beef on this server, it's not nothing. Point is, Quackity and Wilbur have already been at odds with each other for this entire episode. Is Quackity less likely to tolerate conflict involving Dream? Absolutely, but I don't think avoiding such a conflict is his primary reason for acting the way he does here.

My current theory is that it's a combination of #1 and #3 - Quackity seemingly enjoys implying that he's been torturing Dream, but rarely talks about it outright unless it's with Sam. I can't think of many examples of him discussing the torture openly with other characters. I think it's not a stretch to say he enjoys the power of suggestion, he likes making people wonder, he likes making people scared, but he's not really prepared for someone to bring it up so boldly and directly the way Tommy does here. As for why this bothers him, my best guess is that the torture is actually kind of...difficult to talk about with people who aren't directly involved (i.e. Sam and Dream.) It's an incredibly demanding habit that takes up much of Quackity's time and energy, not to mention it's insanely intimate. Like I just don't think it's a stretch to say that Q probably just straight-up doesn't know how to talk about it in a way that's upfront, rather than gloating or flaunting or vaguely implying. Another reason it's likely difficult is that, based on the interactions we've seen, Q probably isn't used to other people bringing it up at all. Tommy's remark catches him off-guard in a very literal way.

The "Don't say that, not even as a joke," really gets me though, because it's such a defensive thing to say, coming from a guy who up until now has been very clear about how little interest he has in defending the indefensible. Is this comment a sign of remorse on Quackity's part? Fuck no, but I do think it's an admission of something. Keep in mind that Quackity's mannerisms when speaking to Tommy are almost identical to the way he speaks to c!Slime. This is evident in a number of streams from the Las Nevadas era, but especially this one: Quackity's tone of voice, language, demeanor, all of it is calculated to evoke the same kind of mentor-mentee relationship he has with Slime. And it makes sense - at this junction in the story, Q views Tommy as someone who's young and impressionable and fucks up a lot, someone who could use Q's advice, someone who's easy to manipulate.

If I were to hedge a bet, I'd say the primary reason Quackity reacts to the torture comment with defensiveness in this scene is because Tommy's remark reminds him that he needs to stay in control of the narrative. I think this is why Q brings up his visits (not the torture, but the visits) earlier in the conversation: "Tommy, you know about this, right?" He's testing Tommy to see how much he knows, and is taken aback when Tommy is prepared to bring up the nasty stuff. Q can walk around with Dream's blood on his shirt all he likes, but once the story's out, it's out - Quackity will no longer have control over who knows and, more importantly, what they think. If anything, this moment is a fleeting but noticeable admission of Quackity's insecurities surrounding the torture in specific. If he's going to properly manage his alliances, he would do well to maintain control of info surrounding, uh, how he spends his time.

[lasnevadaslaborunion]

The sadness over c!Crimeboys and L'manberg hit again today and got me thinking.

I've seen a lot of more critical takes about c!Wilbur's motivations that irked me, and for a while I couldn't quite put my finger on why. It's like we're watching completely different stories.

Which... yeah, we actually are.

I've rambled about this before, but I feel like a lot of differences in interpretation come down to personal vs. societal lenses. How analogous are "countries" in the DSMP to real societies, versus a few little buildings just like any you'd make with a friend in-game? Are they micro-representations of real-world social issues, or macro-representations of small-scale individual and interpersonal concerns?

If you see L'manberg as the physical embodiment of c!Wilbur and c!Tommy's relationship - emphasizing their brotherhood, their inside jokes, the fracturing and reconstruction of their bond, and what they gave for each other and their home - then you'll likely see L'manberg in a more sympathetic light.

If you see L'manberg purely as a political entity - taking comments about xenophobia, nationalism, autocracy, and such at face value and with equal seriousness to what we would give these in our own world - then you're probably not going to harbor the same fondness for it.

The pattern doesn't hold true all the time, mind you. If you're highly critical of c!Crime's codependency and toxicity or believe c!Wilbur is being manipulative from the outset, you might be more critical of L'manberg as an extension of that. If you believe in L'manberg's right to self-determination and people setting their own rules (or you're very pro-drug legalization), you might be more supportive of their rebellion against c!Dream. But I've noticed these tend to be the secondary justifications for one's sympathy/critique of L'manberg, while the personal positivity/political negativity largely dominates.

Doesn't help the divide, either, that c!Wilbur has given multiple motivations for creating L'manberg: it's been described as a way to consolidate his own influence on the server, a means of keeping people safer, and as a harmless little "joke to piss off the Americans" which he then grew sincerely fond of.

None are completely right or wrong! c!Wilbur has both selfish and selfless motivations. Most people do. And I find it heartwarming that c!Tommy pretty consistently represents the better half of these.

But hey, that's just a theory. A (load of speculation about why people approach the same events with such radically different attitudes and what that suggests about how we interpret fiction) DSMP THEORY! (sorry)

[lmanburgseulogy]

DISCLAIMER THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE I HAVE A HUGE BIAS FOR LMANBURG!!!!!!!

Okay so everyone PLEASE go read this

It explains why c!eret betrayed l’manburg. very good and accurate def recommend!

I think when it comes to the final control room there’s three main factors you have to consider for c!eret. It’s reason, regret, and redemption.

But I also think it’s important to note the way it effected the victims, because no matter how many reasons eret had for it, it can’t really erase the fact they were killed and betrayed. It sucked very bad.

Eret had many reasons to betray l’manburg, and a lot of them were from dream’s manipulation. That’s something that gets brushed over TONS. I’m not gonna expand on this much bc I put the link at the top but yk.

c!eret seemed very ignorant when it came to the real after effects of the fcr. and that could’ve been out of fear or distraction. This ignorance became apparent to me when she talks about having peace again/ or reuniting the server. I think c!Dream distracted him so much with those goals, to the point where he didn’t even realize the fcr would only split the server more. It’s also not hard to believe she could’ve just been too scared to acknowledge the real consequences, and she would figure it out later. This ignorance made the regret a lot heavier on Eret.

(The regret Eret dealt with is one of my favorite parts about the character hehehehehh)

Immediately after the fcr, Eret appears to not regret it at all. The wars still going and she’s sided with the dsmp. L’manburg bars her out (literally) and she seems pleased. But I honestly don’t think it’s a hard jump to make that the guilt was slowly getting to him. I also think he was realizing the true gravity of it all, how close they were to winning, it could’ve been over if she didn’t betray them. (THAT PART MAKES ME SHAKE MY FIST AT ERET. THEY COULD’VE WON AND IT WOULD’VE BEEN NORMAL AGAIN!!!!! but obviously it was too late to back out, dream would’ve killed her lol) But now the wars still going, l’manburg’s not giving up, and all she’s done is killed her best friends. Eret clearly regrets it, it’d be impossible not too.

As the story goes on we see Eret’s regret surface as she goes into her redemption arc. We see Eret realize what she did was horrible, and how the reasons were pointless in the first place because dream didn’t even hold them up. So she begins redeeming herself by acts and apologies.

But here’s the thing

c!Eret did a lot of great things. I mean that so genuinely. she put everything she had into making it up to her old friends. His life became fixing her legacy. To the point where her self esteem crumbled, and began to idolize the people she hurt. She wanted to give her friends justice and closure.

But with things as big as murder, forgiveness can’t be earned. The trauma of the fcr changed their lives so much, they shouldn’t be obligated to forgive Eret. Eret’s redemption is because she wants to fix things, not because he wants forgiveness. And I think she truly tried to understand that. Even if she slips up every now and then.

That’s my very summarized take on c!eret. She’s not a saint, but there’s a lot of things to remember when talking about the fcr. Yeah

Okay now onto how I feel about the fcr room in general as a l’manburg truther because oh my GOSHHHHHHHHH. THEY WERE SO CLOSE GUYS THEY WERE ALMOST WINNING THE WAR. WE ALMOST HAD INDEPENDENCE AND THEY WERE ALL SO EXCITED THEY DIDNT EVEN CONSIDER C!ERET LEADING THEM INTO A DARK HOLE IN THE GROUND WASNT SAFE. AND THEY DIED AND IT EFFECTED THEM FOREVER. DO YOU GUYS EVER THINK ABOUT C!TOMMY’S ANGER TOWARDS C!ERET. BECAUSE THEY LOST ALL THEIR TOOLS AND WERE FORCED TO SURRENDER. BUT TOMMY COULDN’T GIVE UP BECAUSE HE WAS ANGRY AND HIS BROTHER TOLD HIM TO SACRIFICE IT ALL FOR THEIR HOME. AND HE WAS WILLING DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT “your life matters more than the revolution,” AND HOW THAT PROBABLY SOLIDIFIED THEIR TRUST IN WILBUR. ONLY FOR HIM TO DIE IN A ROOM DESIGNED TO LOOK LIKE THE FCR!!!!! HOW IT MADE WILBUR SO PARANOID OF EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING. DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT C!FUNDY BEING SO YOUNG IN THE FCR. ARGHHH THEY COULD’VE ALL BEEN HAPPY GUYS.

Counterpoint to the previous ask: ceret knew damn well the lmanbergians would die, he just didn't realize how badly it would affect him

This is a lot more accurate, but to repeat myself once again eret was manipulated by dream. I think their ask was mainly from a headcanon stand point

[innitcerati]

Idk but the fact that Tommy actively avoids shading Wilbur is weird. He shaded everyone, even to people he looked up to and people he was close to.

He refused to talk any further on the situation rather than the half ass Support Shubble. I know he's not obligated to say anything but it's getting suspicious how he tried to minimize Wilbur's negative Image at best.

erm how do I respond to this w/o sounding too parasocial or getting canceled? well, wilbur practically molded tommy; he made tommy responsible for his mental health (and there are speculations about a suicide pact between them). what happened affects him more than dream and other, honestly. as you said, tom is not abligated to say anything until he feels realy. we dont know the real story of wilbur and tommy... i have a lot of thought about crimeboys, like if wilbur ever hit tommy since no cc has said anything and even tommys mother? and other questionables thing that im not sure if I can talk about

[janthesevenette]

so you found my dumpsterfire blog: a guide

I’m Jan, and I write things sometimes.

This is primarily a fandom blog, so I’ll rarely post about my original works or my personal life, but for the record, I’m an aspiring author with several novels in progress, and I also write poems and short stories on occasion. If I post about my original writing endeavors or my personal life, it’ll be tagged as #certified original jan thought.

I’m on AO3 as janthesevenette, where I post things about once a year lol

My current hyperfixation is Star Wars, where I have a lot of Thoughts and Emotions about Obi-Wan and Anakin and their relationship. They are dumbass brothers, and I love them.

I’ll also occasionally post about my other fandoms: the DSMP (mainly c!crimeboys) and Tolkien stuff (mainly the Fëanórian brothers). It’ll be tagged as #not star wars, if you’re just here for the Space Laser Fandom.

I’m here for a good time, so if I find you annoying or if your blog just doesn’t cater to my interests, there’s a good chance I’ll just block you. Also, don’t be a bigot, because that’s lame.

To that end, I tend to avoid fandom negativity, and though I’ll sometimes post about Real World issues (tagged under #real world shit), I’m not here to argue with people about fictional characters. I love posting meta, but my meta will tend to be very strictly about certain characters and their relationships, rather than about the fandom as a whole.

And with all that out of the way, I hope you all enjoy my insanity lol

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[becauseplot]

Hi hi hi :D

My header was gettin crowded so I figured I might as well just make an intro post lmao.

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I like+reblog+tag pretty much EVERYTHING. So sorry if I clutter your notifs, I just have the inexplicable urge to add Every Post to my Hoard.

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duos: "[______] duo" (or their ~special~ duo name, ex "codebreakers", "crimeboys", etc)

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"egg-napping part 3" (posts to do with the egg disappearances, mainly the first few days and the black concrete)

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"q viva mexico" (mexican independence day event)

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"qsmp purgatory"

"qsmp purg finale" (or 11/18, what we thought was a finale)

"purg 2 electric boogaloo" / "qpurgatory 2" (AWWW SHIT HERE WE GO AGAIN)

"@v@" (qforever possession stuff)

qsmp prison event

q2024 opening (YOOO HAPPY NEW YEAR)

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"qmongus" (qsmp amongus lobby)

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"twitchcon paris" (mostly stuff about qsmp cc's meeting up)

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"qsmp vegas meetup"/"twitchcon vegas"

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Relative (QSMP x Ordem au) (au is tagged: "TWLITFAU")

The Calm (Spiderbit fluff)

Miss Me? (f!Cell shows up at f!Felps' apartment)

Waking Up On The Wrong Side of the Bed (c!Phil in QSMP)

Insanity (q!Cellbit character study)

An.G.E.L.S. (OSMP x Antarctic Empire, Military au)

Danse Macabre (Parentsduo <3)

But You're Not Yourself (c!Phil and c!Techno raising c!Wilbur)

A Helping Hand (Phil gets adopted by a flock of crows)

Take My Hand (Retelling of the handcuff scene from BBC Sherlock: Reichenbach Fall)

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[bonesandthebees]

dw DDoS hates me too ;-;

i was planning on posting the first chapter of a story i've been working on for a while now, but couldn't publish before cause of exams and responsibilities /neg

ig they just don't wanna deal with crimeboys angst??

anyway i've been meaning to do an anon ask for a bit now but couldn't get myself to because social anxiety 😭 so this is me trying to at least somewhat lessen it, and also because this seems like a rlly cool community and i wanna include myself in it more and not just lurk in the background

if i'm able to keep it up you might see me around more often :)

-🌿 (or if that's been taken: 🦔)

NOOOO our plans have both been ruined I'm so sorry

aww I'm glad you're here though!! no need to be afraid we're a very welcoming space. there's no pressure so just pop in whenever you feel like it!

(I'm going to call you herb anon with that bc apparently that's the official name of the emoji I googled it. I 100% did not realize that and thought it would just be 'leaves' or smth but herb is cute)

[enneamage]

psychologically i need to analyze the thought process behind wilbur saying “it’s scary you’re being too nice to me” and seemingly getting a bit. i don’t want to say flustered but idk another term for what i’m describing. over tommy negating the negative comments he kept making about himself with (admittedly over egregious to the point of being a bit sarcastic) compliments like. alright. is your self-image that bad, man? maybe tommy’s uphill battle is not for naught

I'm reviewing the footage with the line in mind and in that very particular instance he was giving a bit of Kareninnit brand "I'm strangely intense but im going to put it behind a compliment" sarcasm-passive agression. He was right to recoil at that one because Tommy did not mean it, he was just serving up some of his insult humor spun sideways.

This stream knocked me back to what was originally kind of wholesome about crimeboys, two troubled people somehow managing to make eachother less troubled.

Things I noted from this stream include:

"I've been in my room for two months now, I've gotten quite esoteric recently"

"I'm going on tour, do you have any advice for me?" "Don't." (^^ This was clearly a joke but it felt like a joke worth noting.)

+ Wilbur mentioning the part in the Tom Scott video where he talks about if you keep doing bigger and bigger projects you become a manager, which I've been saying he's predisposed to since the start of this blog.

[tobi-smp]

https://twitter.com/mackself_/status/1752500529849045230?t=w8C_e8xr0ADSDa3L-7djPw&s=19

Penny for your thoughts?

[Link]

my real answer: I'm extremely uninterested in getting into arguments with people set on demonizing traumatized mentally ill characters for being traumatized and mentally ill. particularly when it comes to wilburians and inniters having strange crimeboys takes and taking pot shots at each other.

neither side (speaking only to the extremists in each group of course) seems to want to hear that traumatized mentally ill people Will often hurt each other while also still loving and caring about each other. the messy symptoms for Their character flattened and excused and pasted over, while the messy symptoms of the other are amplified and taken out of context and demonized.

I especially feel like with wilbur in particular people are really sensitive about viewing anything he does and says in a negative light, because of how he was treated in the fanbase And because of how Much his story is centered around his suicide.

the nasty things he said To Tommy, whether that be during his spiral or in limbo or after his revival, are so often just. Smoothed Over. if not outright talked about like it's some gotcha that people use to vilify wilbur and not a pattern of behavior just as much as tommy's own aggressiveness.

people vilified tommy for being scared and angry at wilbur after his reintroduction to the point that there are people who genuinely fully believe that their limbo stream and tommy's obvious fear of wilbur after tommy's own revival was retconned.

to put it bluntly, I think there's a ton of projection happening on both sides, understandably so considering how deeply and beautifully these characters tackle mental health. but I think that projection mingled with the way that Other parts of the fandom mistreat these characters make this Extreme defensiveness that's just really not worth engaging with.

and that's not even considering how the mcyt community as a whole has a major problem with parasocial relationships taken too far. Especially during 2020-2021 when covid was at its height and people were really leaning onto Their Streamer to help them cope with the isolation.

that's not to say that parasocial relationships or projection are inherently Bad. I know full well that I do both without a shred of embarrassment about it. it's very famously why I still can't engage with boundless sands content without immediately bursting into tears a year later.

but a lot of people can't seem to untangle their very personal feelings about it from arguments about characterization or writing or meta. it's very important to them to absolve Their Good Friend from any guilt or wrongdoing and to stick up for them against the bad people that are hurting them, be that other characters or people online. Especially when "their good friend" is Also a stand in for themselves (whether they realize it or not).

and it's just not worth engaging with that, especially not in 2024. if someone needs to use wilbur to be kind to the part of themselves that's hurting then by all means, I'm certainly not throwing stones in glass houses.

but there's really nothing To Say to someone who fully believes that tommy needs to be held accountable for driving wilbur to suicide in pogtopia. I think that's an extremely uncharitable, unkind thing to believe. I think it's an Unfair thing to believe. but it kind of doesn't matter what I think. I doubt there's anything that I or anyone could say that would change someone's mind if they already believe this.

and for my money, I'll be content just not speaking to someone who thinks that way.

my first reaction: did I only get sent this because I said that tommy calling wilbur crazy during pogtopia while actively trying to take care of him and get him to not kill himself isn't the same thing as techno doing it while actively enabling wilbur's violent self destructive death spiral [Link]

[alliumautism]

WOWZA INTRODUCTION POST!!!

BEFORE WE BEGIN: I AM AN INTROJECT IN A SYSTEM. I AM NOT A ROLEPLAY BLOG. I AM NOT A KIN.

now! :3

TOMMY || HE/THEY || 16-18 (bodily 17)

introject "fucktive" of cc/c tommyinnit!

main @lunarticking || mcyt sideblog @sootburz || system/personal/mutuals blog @wilbur-lovejoy

notes about me:

i don't use labels! i gave up, but if it matters to you, i don't consider myself cisgender or heterosexual, and i somewhat identify with the aroace spectrum and the label transmasc.

i consider myself a minor most days.

i've fluctuated a lot in identity and who i am and likely will continue to do so !

i'm considered a "mood booster" role wise by most but i do have my moments.

boundaries:

don't use feminine terms or pronouns on me

don't be weirdchamp or an asshole about shit

ask before you flirt with me smh

don't show me content of dream. dream introjects/irls i'd prefer if you didn't interact unless i know you/the system you're in. /nm

please dont try and roleplay with me /nm i'm not an rp blog! I'M JUST A GUY!!

avoid negative events that happened in source (eg. exile)

SOURCEMATES CAN INTERACT!! I LOVE SOURCEMATES A LOT!! WAHOO!! IM ESP LOOKING FOR OTHER MEMBERS OF THE SBI OR BENCH TRIO :D

tag list and banners under the cut !

TAG LIST:

#tommy talks : og posts

#REBLOGCHAMP! : reblogs

#mediashare : images/audio/video etc

#poggers art : what it says on the tin

specific things will be tagged as tommy.[thing] (eg. tommy.minecraft)

SOURCE TAGLIST:

source: #home home

wilbur/crimeboys: #bitch boy

techno/bedrock bros: #pig bitch

phil/angelduo: #greatest man alive

ranboo/alliumduo: #boob ... boy? boob PERSON

tubbo/clingyduo: #bee boy

BLACKLIST:

i tag things as cw [thing] or tw [thing]

exile: #he was only there to watch

pogtopia: #i believed i could make a change

prison: #fucking potatohead

limbo: #i hate solitaire

phil neg: #perhaps not the greatest man alive

wilbur neg: #"we were a family!" "we WERE"

techno neg: #you want to be a hero tommy? then DIE LIKE ONE