#COUGH COUGH numidium COUGH

[full-frontal-fishstick]

Zurin: In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity. All warfare is based on deception

Tiber: All warfare… is based? 🤔

Zurin: Tiber, no-

Tiber: ALL. WARFARE. IS. BASED. (☀️‿☀️)

[charliebug3]

Talking to another Tiber Wars fan is like a game of Russian roulette. Do you like it because heehoo wild lore or do you like it because you think Talos did nothing wrong

Of course this is assuming you can even Find another Tiber Wars enjoyer because uhhhh buried lore that constantly actively conflicts with itself moment FUCK THE ARCTURIAN HERESY-

[wardenv5]

VERSUS GAME GENERATOR: FROM SOFTWARE VS BETHESDA

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So I randomly generated two developers/franchises and chose characters from games created (not published) by these two developers (so no FNV nor ESO). I created a template so I can now do this easily for any two.

This is a series of coughing babies and hydrogen bombs, which is appropriate for something inspired by Marvel vs Capcom. I think it was harder to find appropriate characters for Bethesda, since combat and npcs aren't really a strong suit compared to From Software. My team would probably be Lady Maria, Michael Wilson and Serana (they feel like they would be quick and aggressive).

Image ID: A fighting game roster with a space background including a sun and blue planet on either side. On the top of the image is the text "FROM SOFTWARE VS BETHESDA. The roster has 32 characters, half from each company. From top left to bottom right:

1st Row: Artorias (DS1), Lady Maria (Bloodborne), Sekiro (Sekiro), Soul of Cinder (DS3), Dogmeat (F4), Miraak (Skyrim), Vivek (Morrowind), Cyprus (Redguard)

2nd Row: 621 (Armored Core VI), Ken Ogawa (Ninja Blade), Michael Wilson (Metal Wolf Chaos), Ranni the Witch (Elden Ring), Mannimarco (Daggerfall), Liberty Prime (F3), Serana (Skyrim), Random bad guy from Starfield (Starfield),

3rd Row: Atsuma (Enchanted Arms), Raikoh (Otogi), Vicar Amelia (Bloodborne), King Forrester (King's Field), Sheogorath (Oblivion), Lucien (Oblivion), Sarah Lyons (F3), Lydia (Skyrim)

4th Row: Nameless King (DS3), Last Giant (DS2), Radahn (Elden Ring), Pate (Demon Souls), Deathclaw (F4), Hircine (Morrowind), Numidium (Daggerfall), Strong (F4)

[kagrenacs]

Explaining the Iceberg #8

In which the theories get worse as you delve deeper. (some content is cut because it’s not appropriate/something I would want to discuss)

Coldharbour/Clockwork Tamriel: Coldharbour has many locations that resemble Tamriel, and often are outright taken from it. C0Da seems to indicate Sotha Sil’s final goals for the clockwork city is to recreate and ‘perfect’ Tamriel.

The Crimson Ship: During the Knahaten Flu, the Kothringi were hit particularly hard, and the Crimson Ship was full of refugees trying to find a new home. They were turned away at every port, until reaching Hammerfell. After being turned away once again, they sailed out to sea. Some years later, pirates found the ship full of corpses.

Storming of the citadel: Unsure of this, the wording is too general. It could possibly refer to the Morrowind Mainquest, when you take back the profane tools, A Covenant quest in Elder Scrolls Cnline, or the Main quest in Elder Scrolls Online

Altmeri formwars: Mentioned in an MK short story. Possibly a war from a previous Kalpa that involved the Dreugh

Yagrum Bagarn made the Numidium: He states he was a Tonal Architect under Kagrenac, there’s a possibility he may have worked on the Numidium as well.

Sons of Hora: Mentioned in the Nu-hatta, related to mantling. ‘this is the death children bring as son’s of Hora’. My guess is that it’s the ability of mortals (sons of Lorkhan, Hora?) to actually mantle deities and understand their limits.

Kaleidocules: ‘Leaky Creatia’  the power of creation, magical possibility 

Ayleids=Bird people: A race of unnamed bird people Topal the Pilot was said to have met on his journey across Tamriel. Since they occupy the same region as Ayleids did (although they seem to have been present before the Ayleids and subsequently died out), and since Ayleids have recurring bird motifs within their armor and art, it’s thought that these two groups may be one in the same.

Dragon Tusk: The name of the oversoul (cumulation of all aspects) of Akatosh/Auri-el ect. Is Aka or Aka-Tusk.

Lorkhan’s heart the egg of time: In Morrowind, the egg of time is a rebuttal paper to Kagrenac’s theories on the use of the tools on the heart of lorkhan.

Khajiit ??? Genetic memory: I can’t make out if that says lactable as in the infant formula for babies, or something else. 

The Prisoner: A name for all playable characters in tes, revolves around the concept of seeing past barriers formed previously (the prison) and overcoming these obstacles to change things.

82nd Crodo: Mentioned in the redguard forums, a community in Alinor.

City of Rockcreek: In Arena, there is a city called Rockpark. A glitch in town generation happened, and the palace to Rockpark was blocked off, rendering it inaccessible. In Daggerfall, the developers referenced this glitch in ‘Ius the Animal God’ But misspelled Rockpark as ‘Rockcreek’

Atmora-Aldmeris Invasion: Not quite sure what this references, my best guess is the invasion of the Atmorans and Aldmer from their respective continents to Tamriel.

1008 weapons of rapture: 1008 or 108 is usually in reference to Cyrodill (8+1 gods), in Et’Ada, Eight Aedra, Eat the Dreamer, there is mention of 1008 weapons of rapture. This could possibly refer to the Divines, the Middle Dawn that lasted 1008 years, or perhaps 1008 literal weapons.

Thalmor UFOs: Seems to have originated on the iceberg

King Harald and Talos die at 108: There goes that numerology again

Adamantia Scroll rocket: While this seems to have originated on the iceberg once again, there is a group of tes LARPers with the shared name Adamantia

Ghartoki: Mentioned in what my beloved taught me after Vivec reads a symbol on Nerevar’s palms (possibly some sigil, scars or just reading palms). Ghartok in Ehlnofey means hand, and in the sermons it’s often associated with the word Padhome, or change.

Thalmor and Jyggalag: The Altmer are orderly so they worship Jyggalag.

Motheaters: A little song mentioned in this thread https://www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-unknown-posts

Klecksographic Lyg: Another iceberg original, Klecksography is the art of making art from inkblots, essentially this is just saying how lyg was created in a fancy way

Ha-Note is Mehrunes Dagon: https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/3o0uwk/nanote_dagon/ the original theory is here, TL;DR Ha-Note, a monster born from Vivec, renamed itself ‘City-Face’ and fled to Lyg. The ‘grabbers’ grabbed it, because they can’t create things of their own and said they’d build a Hope-Tower upon it’s face. In the Commentaries of Mankar Cameron, he states Mehrunes Dagon was built from hope.

Zurin Arctus=Versidue Shae: An apparently deleted theory, mentioned only in this post debunking it https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/9rs2ad/what_were_the_motives_of_versidue_shaie/

The King’s Cough: Mentioned in Sermon 29, another name for the Thu’um

The Catalyst: The driving force that starts an Enantiomorph 

Tsaescence: A tsaesci word from We ate it to become it, MK states it means it’s the Tsaesci word of “High Perception” In context, seems to mean something similar to CHIM.

Hero of Kvatch=Pelinal Whitestrake: See the Knights of the Nine DLC. (To expand further, there are many similarities between the two, force of change, knight to the emperor/empress)

Amiel Arctus: An old screen name for Michael Kirkbride

The Space Gods: Found in the last song of Pelinal and Eight Aedra Eat the Dreamer, like many things in tes, it’s Lorkhan.

Uriel V: The father of Uriel VI, tried his best to invade Akavir.

Otherkin: You are reading this on tumblr. You know what this is. MK made a lengthy forum post about how Tosh Raka hates the Otherkin for some reason.

Falmer are Hermaified: Horrible word, but there are resemblances between Hermaeus Mora’s shrines, and Falmer shrines.

Invisible Dragons: In morrowind, if you ask M’aiq about dragons, he’ll state they’re too high up to see. Or invisible

Alien Ayleids: A relic from the since deleted bethesda forums. MK wanted to have a plot twist where Ayleids were Aliens.

The insect god: Mentioned in the Adabal-a, or Morhaius’s memoirs. May be a since-retconned god, could possibly be Lorkhan due to his frequent connection with Scarabs.

Suicide Trolls: An easter egg in Oblivion, a poorly scrawled note and a troll found dead under a bridge across the bridge from Bravil.  

Arkay=Arnand the Fox=Zurin Arctus: Zurin Arctus is sometimes called Arnand the Fox (Seen in where were you when the dragon broke) Shor is also represented as the fox, which makes sense since Zurin is a Shezzarine. This connects to Arkay by Malacath/Orkey/Arkay, who is a trickster god (fox like) in Nordic pantheons. Malacath also got compared to a fox once. I never said these theories were well backed up.

Dwarf-Orc theory: referring to Dumac, who is sometimes called Dumalacath, or Dumac Dwarf-Orc, suggesting he has an orcish and dwemer parents. This also may imply there are cross cultural connections between the two groups (especially when you consider the Rourken clan having Volenfell, Malacath’s hammer.), meaning Dwemer blood could still be present within Orcish clans.

Tosh Raka: The Dragon-God of the Ka’Po’Tun. Became a dragon through unknown means (possibly through Dracocrysalis?) Hates the otherkin I guess.

A worn and weathered note: A curious note from Morrowind. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:A_worn_and_weathered_note

TalOS: Talos is called a virus by Jubal in C0da. If you think of the Aurbis as a computer, Talos could be considered analogous to a Trojan Virus when you look at his place in the pantheon of Divines. He used the mantella to cheat-code the universe into accepting it as Lorkhan’s new heart to power the Numidium. An error occurred, and now the universe considers TalOS the new Lorkhan.

King of Worms = The Underking: Both are liches, both are undead, that’s about it. May stem from initial confusion of MK saying there were ‘multiple underkings’ when he meant there were multiple copies of the same person in the dragon break.

500 companions were dragons: the 500 mighty companions, an obscure text calls at least one of the companions a dragon, and some of the names were draconic sounding.

Dreamer can’t wake up: Straight from the mouth of MK, this might mean ‘the Godhead isn’t literal’ or it might literally mean, the universe can’t cease to be because the Godhead just stops.

[charliebug3]

Alright so I cannot sleep it is midnight and I've been listening to Eighth Wonder by Lemon Demon on loop for about 2 hours too long so I'm about to briefly become the least normal person on tesblr.

WHY I'M RIGHT: Abnur Tharn IS Zurin Arctus, Deranged Sleep-Deprived Edition

(Take all of this with a heap of salt. I am joking with the "I'm right" thing. I could be completely and utterly wrong but that's the fun of it, innit?)

So basically I stumbled upon an old concept by ESO's first Loremaster and I've never been the same since. Long story short the concept had Abnur Tharn turn into Zurin Arctus... somehow.

There's bits of that left over, methinks, in the way that House Tharn evidently, by Abnur's own admission, participated in keeping... political dissenters... under control. Now hehehe boy that's sure interesting. What um. I'm sure that will go well at some point in Tamriel's future, huh? Definitely won't ummmmmm uh something something Battlemage something cough.

There's also, of course, the way he's not particularly partial to continuing to serve under a banner that's committing mass atrocities. The willingness to give up everything for Cyrodiil. Eh, but those are just traits of someone loyal to a cause, hmm?

But regardless, none of that could mean anything. ZOS was forbidden to do anything with the Tiber Wars, or with Dragons, or with anything like that, right?

AND THEN ELSWEYR HAPPENED.

Whoopsie! Looks like the limits are off! Now comes the part where I get a progressively less coherent while making a bullet point list of things that Could be coincidence but um. Uh. Look it all makes sense together I promise.

• It's a little hidden in a line of dialogue during The Demon Weapon, but like right out the gate Abnur is directly looking for The FUCKING NUMIDIUM. Boom, first quest, it's literally right there. And where does he go looking? The Halls of Colossus. Y'know, the place where Tiber Septim and Zurin Arctus KEEP THE NUMIDIUM 300 YEARS LATER. Now of course it's a dead end this time and oopsie it's a Different horror released from the Halls but like. Come ON.

• Nahfahlaar. Hello? The crown jewel of Tiber Septim's army or whatever? He's literally just chilling in Elsweyr. And not only that, take a WILD guess who's the ONLY one present when Abnur pulls his silly little disappearing magic trick for gods know how long? Yeah I mean there's not much to say except there's a literal entire character directly from the Tiber Wars in this storyline. So we know for a fact the "no Tiber Wars" limit is off.

• Aeonstone. Hello, green crystal that amplifies the magic of souls (LITERALLY REFERRED TO AS LIFE FORCE IN MULTIPLE LINES OF DIALOGUE. FROM A VERY SPECIFIC CHARACTER.) to godly levels of power! Hmm! I wonder, just WONDER where else we might have seen this. Couldn't possibly be related to uhhhhhh the magic green crystal used to amplify someone's life force to godly levels of power. Y'know the um. The Mantella. I'm talking about the Mantella I cannot explain how much the idea that the Mantella is made of Aeonstone makes me froth at the mouth. It makes too much sense and there are like THREE people who know what Aeonstone is and does and hahaha GUESS WHICH ONE KNOWS THE MOST? Yeah it's. It's Abnur.

• Now of course there's the direct parallel of "I have lived too long and fucked up too much, I have nothing left please let me die" that's less spoken in Elsweyr than it is in Daggerfall but it is DEFINITELY still there. Like mr battlemage says "attacking Kaalgrontiid's lair would be a suicide mission" and then IMMEDIATELY is like "I am going to Kaalgrontiid's lair to attack him :)" hello??????? Ok.

• Can we just talk about the fact that of ALL the places to put the ESO storyline, it was, well. Elsweyr? The place where shit gets REAL fucked in the Tiber Wars, meaning everything we do and everyone we save in ESO: Elsweyr means NOTHING. Rimmen gets nuked by the Numidium. Senchal is home to a massacre at the hands of Tiber Septim's army. Hell, the third moon happens! In Daggerfall! ITS MANNIMARCO HE LITERALLY JUST HIJACKS KAALGRONTIID'S NEE MOON PROPHECY HGHGGGHHGBH- but boy all that amounting to nothing just. It fits. It fits so well, with the whole thing of giving up everything only for it to be taken advantage of and destroyed. And I mean. "Dying" (because neither Abnur nor Zurin actually got to die to Dragonhold or the Numidium, that'd be too easy) to stop something you ACTIVELY caused and were party to and it's 99% your fault and became so much worse than you ever could've planned for? Uh hehe. Yeah.

• I love the fact that we have literally no origin for Zurin (I DO NOT COUNT THE ARCTURIAN HERESY I DONT THINK ITS CANON. I THROW IT OUT THE WINDOW). All we know is that he's an incredibly powerful Imperial Battlemage who held the position of Grand Chancellor. Which I mean like. ESO literally gives us local incredibly powerful Grand Chancellor (it's implied that at full strength he can just casually KO a dragon and even weakened he can stand against Mannimarco (full power) long enough to not get completely obliterated). So like. It would at this point be a VERY smooth transition from one to the other.

• This is something that just completely drives me bonkers insane feral and may not actually be a connection, but uhhh the name of the Spymaster responsible for collecting info about Abnur for his Elsweyr Meet the Character article is. His. His name is FUCKING. ARCTUS. IM NOT MAKING THIS SHIT UP HIS NAME IS ARCTUS COVE. THAT IS NOT A COMMON NAME FOR AN IMPERIAL UNLESS I HAVE JUST COMPLETELY MISSED MULTIPLE OTHER USAGES OF THE NAME ARCUS. I JUST. AAAAAAAAAAAA

• Final little note but I think the little ESO green dragon imp pet from the Elsweyr event back in like 2019 with a model seen nowhere else in the game and a description that's literally a quote from Abnur is a. I think it's a Skakmat reference? From Daggerfall? Not entirely sure but it looks fairly similar to Skakmat's icon in Daggerfall's files. I dunno maybe I've fully lost it.

Anyway nonsense post over go about your day/night have fun. I might add citations and sources and corrections in the morning when I wake up and am coherent. Please don't kill me